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You cannot isolate clean signal when using hdmi. It will be processed by your tv reducing quality dramatically.

I use Sennheiser HD700 hps ($999 at launch). You can hear degrade quiet clearly.

Out of most speaker system you won't notice much though.

Wouldn't you just do PS5 -> TV -> Sonos Arc? With a direct pass through. That quality will definitely be higher than through optical port

 

[RoadHazard]

My Reciever can't pass the full 4k 60 to the TV. I would need a new Reciever to get all the nifty features like HDR, 4K60, VRR, Auto low latency.
ARC will only pass stereo PCM down through the ARC. OR it can pass Dolby 5.1 down through the ARC.
PC (or rather Nvidia) is limited to PCM out though the HDMI port. So I'm stuck with stereo only PCM with PC and ARC.
EARC however will pass PCM multi channel 5.1 and even higher (I think) though HDMI. That would be the best way to do it however my TV is stuck with the ARC.

My PC works fine currently HDMI plugged directly into my TV and then optical plugged into the Receiver for surround sound.
It's just not the most elegant way to do it.

Ok, I see.

 

[RoadHazard]

Wouldn't you just do PS5 -> TV -> Sonos Arc? With a direct pass through. That quality will definitely be higher than through optical port

Regular ARC? That gives you the same quality as optical. Both can do compressed 5.1 (Dolby Digital etc), but not uncompressed PCM surround. eARC, like direct HDMI, can do higher quality audio.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Wouldn't you just do PS5 -> TV -> Sonos Arc? With a direct pass through. That quality will definitely be higher than through optical port

Optical port gives clean digital signal only. what you do with it makes all the difference. I plan to run it through following:

Chord Mojo ($600) for digital to analog conversion.

This high quality analog signal will be fed to amplifier, Burson Soloist SL ii ($500). It has huge soundstage, places every instrument, vocals, footsteps etc with absolute precision.

This signal is fed to best gaming hp (not exactly imo) Sennheiser HD700 ($999). This hp gives you positional accuracy to an inch. If game has orchestral music, you can tell which row is playing right now. You can experience ebb and flow, crecendoes of music. You will recognise accents of vocalists, every instrument, with correct timber and microdetail.

By passing signal through HDMI, you are letting tv do the heavy lifting of digital to analog conversion and amplification. You would be lucky if they used $10 part for it. On top you are double amping via soundbar further distorting the signal.



If tempest engine is any good like they say, it deserves back end it deserves.

 

[Kindjal]

Looks like I'm finally retiring my turtle beach dss2 dac. The thing sounds WAY better than the pulse elite, golds and hyperx cloud II.
it's by far the best positional audio I've used. A buddy has the astro amp with some high end audio technicas and it's awesome too.
I guess I can still use arc and get optical from my tv, with no lag, right?

I have one too, and the sound is incredible.
I haven't used it more because I don’t know how to get a mic to work with that setup.

 

[Tarin02543]

I have a pair of AKG K702 headphones which I would like to use with my ps5. Plugging them into my tv's 3.5 mm audiojack would degrade the quality (obviously), what would be the ideal solution for retrieving high quality input via hdmi?

 

[sinnergy]

Time to replace your 15 year old audio sets and experience the future !

 

[DonF]

I have one too, and the sound is incredible.
I haven't used it more because I don’t know how to get a mic to work with that setup.

ps4? I got a cable to get the mic thru the dualshock. Im using a couple of turtle beach headsets that were originally designed for xbox, but with this cable I can use the mic with the dualshock.

I guess it dependes on your setup. I've seen lots of people using a vmode boom mic with all kinds of headphones.

 

[Kindjal]

ps4? I got a cable to get the mic thru the dualshock. Im using a couple of turtle beach headsets that were originally designed for xbox, but with this cable I can use the mic with the dualshock.

I guess it dependes on your setup. I've seen lots of people using a vmode boom mic with all kinds of headphones.

Yeah, PS4. Thanks for the tips, I'll look into it!

 

[Keihart]

can't you just use the optical out of the TV and route that to the receiver?

 

[Kindjal]

can't you just use the optical out of the TV and route that to the receiver?

I was also thinking about that as a temporal solution, but it seems that the concern in this thread is about the sound quality loss.

 

[Troy D Chinula]

HDMI is the best, but I’m using a Sonos beam + ones for surround, using arc HDMI, the TV adds 0.3 sec delay to the audio and it’s unbearable. So I’m having to use an audio splitter to get the sound from it straight into the beam.

Did it this way because the ps5 won’t have optical to go direct. Just need to find a TV that can process Dolby 5.1 without adding delays to Sonos if anyone is currently using this set up.

Exactly, ARC adds audio lag when outputting bitstream to a soundbar. Omitting optical screws high end soundbars users. I currently have my PS4 hooked up to my Bose 700 soundbar via optical because of the terrible lag. EARC is supposed to fix the lag issue but I sincerely doubt it.

 

[Kerotan]

I guess that confirms 2 hdmi ports on it. And also the ps5 Sony headphones will use hdmi too?

For those of us with current headsets should we just go ahead and buy a standard adapter or should we wait? Will we need an hdmi 2.1 adapter?

 

[MrFunSocks]

Playstation really needs a deep dive into their Tempest audio tech. For a while I though I needed a new headset to harness the tech. So if I was confused, I'm sure less informed gamers might be too.

Go read up on Dolby Atmos on the XB1, same thing essentially. 3D audio is only new to Sony consoles n

 

[Chaplain]

The ASTRO HDMI Audio Adapter for PlayStation 5 is available for sale:

HDMI ADAPTER FOR PLAYSTATION 5

Will this be a problem for HDMI 2.1 displays?

Supports:

• HDMI 2.0b Pass-through
• Max Resolution: 4k
• Max 4k Frame Rate: 60Hz
• HDR: Yes
• HDCP Certified: Yes
• HDMI Certified: Yes

Audio Extraction:

• 2ch PCM
• Dolby Digital AC3 / Bitstream (When Present)

Resolution / Frame Rates:

• 720p / 120 Hz
• 1080p / 240 Hz
• 1440p / 120 Hz
• 4k / 60 Hz

For those living on the cutting edge of display tech: We opted for HDMI 2.0b for this adapter because 2.0b covers the majority of users and their hardware going into this next generation of consoles – there are very few 8k TVs in the market at this time and the PlayStation 5 is limited in resolution when set to play at 120hz. To include HDMI 2.1 would have doubled the cost of the adapter while only being relevant in a minority of use cases.

Source: https://blog.astrogaming.com/2020/10/astro-hdmi-audio-adapter-for-playstation-5/

 

[FrankWza]

The ASTRO HDMI Audio Adapter for PlayStation 5 is available for sale:

HDMI ADAPTER FOR PLAYSTATION 5

Will this be a problem for HDMI 2.1 displays?

yes. Won’t work. even if you don’thave a 2.1 capable receiver and want to connect directly to your tv and use optical audio out from this you can’t because there’s no audio to split off of hdmi that way. Also, no VRR

 

[JackMcGunns]

Optical is old tech, that is true, but some are still rocking an old receiver with optical as the only option for surround sound. Some TVs have optical out, I guess the solution is to connect to the TV via HDMI, then optical out from the TV to the receiver, but not sure if that'll do the trick.

 

[Trogdor1123]

This forcing me to replace my headset, I'm kinda torn as it was like $300...

 

[BruceWayneIII]

I have a Linn surround receiver (was pretty expensive back in the day but it sounds wonderful) currently hooked up to my PS4 via optical. So I am not going to replace it with a new receiver of that with all the new bells and whistles. Anyone know how to best extract the sound from the PS5 to optical, without passing through a TV?

 

[CamHostage]

I just wanted aux out on consoles... always.... With ps4 I have to route audio jack through my monitor and it kinda sucks.
I have ps4 slim without optical. So this is my ONLY option to run audio from ps4 aside from controller (which is surprisingly fine)

Not your only option. As has been mentioned, these consoles will support USB Audio (Xbox Series X is introducing it, PlayStation and Switch have had it for the past generation at least; the PlayStation headsets that Sony has been releasing since PS3 have used a USB dongle instead of Bluetooth, and PS5 will still follow suit despite having near-to-current Bluetooth support ... sadly though, not Bluetooth 5.2 and its promising new LE Audio codec.)

I'm not too up on using USB except for some headphones that broke, but audio over USB has a number of purposes (I'm not sure if it's the same process that gets sound out to USB-plug headphones?) and one would be to replace the aging and sadly sunsetting Optical Port. (You can read somebody doing a comparison on HomeTheaterHiFi in 2016, another in 2017, and it seems favorable as a replacement with some caveats.) Lag is supposed to not be a problem, although I do see some complaints about USB sound lag (but a lot of those seem to be PC complaints with lag introduced somewhere else in the system?) My experience is virtually nil with this (I'm looking into it with PS5 since my TV optical-out always did add a little lag that I'd like to circumvent some day) so maybe somebody else has some feedback on using USB output for sound? The problem with USB Audio doesn't seem to be the signal, it seems to be in support and device connectivity, in that your receiver probably doesn't have just a simple, friendly USB input to plug things together, but it can do uncompressed, multichannel sound; optical's leftover advantage seems to mostly be that it's A) optical over fiber and not prone to any electrical interference, and B) it's used only for sound and so no confusion, no conflicts.

Once you have the USB Audio out, if you want to get it back into an Optical device, I do believe you could get an Amp with USB Audio input and Optical Output to send the signal back over an optical connection. I think you're starting to get into pricey devices at that point (amps in general are luxury items mostly bought by those who deeply care about sound, but there is a market there thankfully,) but I think this one could do the trick and it's under $50.

I have a Linn surround receiver (was pretty expensive back in the day but it sounds wonderful) currently hooked up to my PS4 via optical. So I am not going to replace it with a new receiver of that with all the new bells and whistles. Anyone know how to best extract the sound from the PS5 to optical, without passing through a TV?

Would that above help?

 

[rofif]

Not your only option. As has been mentioned, these consoles will support USB Audio (Xbox Series X is introducing it, PlayStation and Switch have had it for the past generation at least; the PlayStation headsets that Sony has been releasing since PS3 have used a USB dongle instead of Bluetooth, and PS5 will still follow suit despite having near-to-current Bluetooth support ... sadly though, not Bluetooth 5.2 and its promising new LE Audio codec.)

I'm not too up on using USB except for some headphones that broke, but audio over USB has a number of purposes (I'm not sure if it's the same process that gets sound out to USB-plug headphones?) and one would be to replace the aging and sadly sunsetting Optical Port. (You can read somebody doing a comparison on HomeTheaterHiFi in 2016, another in 2017, and it seems favorable as a replacement with some caveats.) Lag is supposed to not be a problem, although I do see some complaints about USB sound lag (but a lot of those seem to be PC complaints with lag introduced somewhere else in the system?) My experience is virtually nil with this (I'm looking into it with PS5 since my TV optical-out always did add a little lag that I'd like to circumvent some day) so maybe somebody else has some feedback on using USB output for sound? The problem with USB Audio doesn't seem to be the signal, it seems to be in support and device connectivity, in that your receiver probably doesn't have just a simple, friendly USB input to plug things together, but it can do uncompressed, multichannel sound; optical's leftover advantage seems to mostly be that it's A) optical over fiber and not prone to any electrical interference, and B) it's used only for sound and so no confusion, no conflicts.

Once you have the USB Audio out, if you want to get it back into an Optical device, I do believe you could get an Amp with USB Audio input and Optical Output to send the signal back over an optical connection. I think you're starting to get into pricey devices at that point (amps in general are luxury items mostly bought by those who deeply care about sound, but there is a market there thankfully,) but I think this one could do the trick and it's under $50.

Would that above help?

yeah this would probably do but I've fixed the issue I've had!
now the audio comes from monitor audio to speakers aux. Or I use controller

 

[FrankWza]

This forcing me to replace my headset, I'm kinda torn as it was like $300...

The Astro adapter or PS5 not having optical?

I have a Linn surround receiver (was pretty expensive back in the day but it sounds wonderful) currently hooked up to my PS4 via optical. So I am not going to replace it with a new receiver of that with all the new bells and whistles. Anyone know how to best extract the sound from the PS5 to optical, without passing through a TV?

If you have a 1080p screen getthat optical adapter from Astroor something similar on Amazon that will cost you much less

 

[ethomaz]

Regular ARC? That gives you the same quality as optical. Both can do compressed 5.1 (Dolby Digital etc), but not uncompressed PCM surround. eARC, like direct HDMI, can do higher quality audio.

I faced that same issue but that is why Soundbar or HT have HDMI-in.

PS5 (in my case PS4) -> HT/SB -> TV (ARC).
That way I have up to PCM 7.1.

The TV ARC por is For when I use some TV App it send the audio to the HT/SB.

I had no issue this whole generation.

I will probably chance when I migrate my TV for something new with eARC.

 

[onesvenus]

I faced that same issue but that is why Soundbar or HT have HDMI-in.

PS5 (in my case PS4) -> HT/SB -> TV (ARC).
That way I have up to PCM 7.1.

The TV ARC por is For when I use some TV App it send the audio to the HT/SB.

I had no issue this whole generation.

I will probably chance when I migrate my TV for something new with eARC.

Does your HT do 4K/120Hz, HDR and VRR passthrough? I'd say that's more important than having uncompressed PCM surround sound

 

[Trogdor1123]

The Astro adapter or PS5 not having optical?

Turtle Beach 800s for the PS4. It's ok when I think about it though cause it's really a pretty meh headset.

 

[ethomaz]

Does your HT do 4K/120Hz, HDR and VRR passthrough? I'd say that's more important than having uncompressed PCM surround sound

Nope lol my PS4 doesn’t do that too.
I was talking about the solution I found here facing the same issue early in this gen.

Of course for PS5 you will need a HT with HDMI 2.1 pass though.

 

[FrankWza]

Turtle Beach 800s for the PS4. It's ok when I think about it though cause it's really a pretty meh headset.

no I was asking what was causing you to replace your headset

 

[Trogdor1123]

no I was asking what was causing you to replace your headset

Oh sorry, the ps5 doesn't have optical s I need to replace it.

I'll grab the official one when I eventually get a ps5... Missed all preorders.

 

[dano1]

Sony went full audio and obliviates the optical audio port? Guatdafak SOny??

Maybe update your equipment every 15 years or so ...

 

[DoomGyver]

I updated my astro mixamp a40 tr for xbox this week. Works fine with usb only now. Unplugged the optical and set it aside.

 

[BlackTron]

And I was sad when PS5 Pro got rid of the legacy composite out...

 

[ReBurn]

I used optical on ps4 to be able to play Rocksmith with less audio lag. I also used it to connect wired headphones to the PS4 via a dac as it was a better experience than using the audio jack on the controller. Unfortunately Toslink is too limited in bandwidth for formats like Dolby Atmos, so ita not surprising that it's not included. It's a dinosaur.