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Classicrockfan

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Emmy said:
Memory bandwidth on PS5. You'd think it's not enough for console, but there's some things that might prevent games from bandwidth starving. Things like delta color compression saves bandwidth. RGT talked about PS5's GPU "robust caching system", which can also help with this. And I suppose RDNA 3 Geometry Engine, which RGT also talked about, it does not process geometry which is not appearing in the frame. This saves GPU resourses and memory bandwidth as well, did I understand correctly?
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Well, PS5 has more L2 cache by CU (around 16% more). So for the same work the main ram should be less used (vs XSX) because more work will be done using L2 alone. The same should be true about the L1 caches. AFAIK, PS5 should also have 16% more L1 cache by CU.

I believe this is what RGT is talking about with his "PS5 has a robust cache system".

Not sure about RDNA3 Geometry Engine though. On paper it looks that way but we don't know if multiplat devs will use it.
 
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LiquidRex

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Dan_of_Rivia said:


I might have posted this before but not sure, nevertheless the quote stood out to me, curious to see what this geometry and rendering advantage the PS5 has over Series X and RDNA 2 as well as other information which has not been revealed.

"AMD have been internally testing RDNA 3 for a long time! this is why when I stated that RDNA 3 features are part of the PS5, I was very confident, I am pretty dam sure PS5 does have things like improved geometry handling (over RDNA 2) which is going to be a part of the later AMD roadmap, there are other things as well which I have been asked not to mention" Paul from RGT
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I can't stress enough how awesome Redgamingtech channel is. 😊
 
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Nickolaidas

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It really saddens me that these days I am unable to be here frequently because I am literally exhausted after working overtime in my company's warehouse. I was asked to stop working on my office (I am a graphic artist) and go help the staff in packaging orders our customers make (I work at a publishing company). It's fucking exhausting. We have like, 800 orders per day and we are just five people. I come back at my place at around 9 pm and I only have a couple of hours to bathe and get a bite to eat before collapsing from exhaustion.

And this is going to last for the entire September. And maybe October.

This was supposed to be a month where I would be here frequently and talk about the impending new consoles and their events. Instead I'm going to miss it all.

Hopefully October and November will have cool things to show too.

And those of you who harass HeisenbergFX4 HeisenbergFX4 with PMs and shit can go fuck yourselves. Guy's legit, helpful and great company.
 
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TheGreatWhiteShark said:
what I wrote was pretty self-explanatory. let me break it down for you.

- exactly the same venn diagram than makes sense for microsoft, makes sense for sony too,
it doesnt take a genius to figure it out.
- AAA first party studios are very expensive, their location and personnel is a fixed cost greater than what you probably think. If they can recoup this big investment by selling twice as much or even in half time, that is a big success.
- you think death stranding and horizon were released as "lures" for playstation hardware,
well I challenge you to find me even ONE non-console pc owner that said: "wow this motherfucking horizon! I'm buying a playstation now!"
- I said -not for the first time- that in my opinion sony is testing the pc waters and is gathering some metrics, while slowly they will "arm" their studios to be able to develop and test for pc concurrently. that's no small task, it took microsoft's first parties years!
- finally, I said that playstation games coming to pc is a PLUS for playstation owners, because sony has proven to be INCAPABLE of doing backwards compatibility like microsoft. and yes, I've seen the "patents" flying around every time disappointment rises. I am pretty sure though that when ps5 is fully revealed, nothing more than what we already know will have been achieved on b/c.
therefore, mid-longterm its a plus for you that all sony games on pc will be playable for ever, taking advantage of pc h/w progress, because on sony hardware that's a pretty massive question mark.
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You are quick to bullshit there.About BC you are quick to forget how each and every console was retrocompatble in a more exhaustive extent that what MS offer.
Second that venn diagram was more an exmaple about how they calculated which is a totally different situation for Sony considering how their games are regarded.Going PC day1 wopuld be a bad move for sony because unliike MS they sell a ton of console.
AAA games costs a lot .... well yeah no shit it's absolutely irrelevant to the point I'm making but yeah you are right on that.
So to dumb things down a lot for you, you tried a straw man argument that was obvioud to anyone and even worse you failed that strawman because none of the points you mentionned are accurateAnd are purely speculation stated as facts (I never mentionned Death Stranding you did but Horizon if it wasn't released on pc as a gateway then why so late ?And just before announcing Horizon 2)
So failed straw man, irrelevant, and speculative I get why you are on a lot of people ignore list.
 
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3liteDragon said:
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This is where Sony need to say something about BC plans.

I could jig my Xbox account over to USA region, purchase the 3 POP games that are on sale and BC on XB1 (for some reason 2 of them aren't buyable in UK). I'm gonna be pissed if I end-up purchasing those and then Sony announce BC in a few weeks.
 
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... I absolutely cannot believe we have officially entered September, have so many unanswered questions hanging in the air, and the machine is supposed to be out in early Nov.

Complete idiocy. Game of chicken doesn't matter at this point when you have MS smoked in the games department and also the size of the marketshare/playerbase compared to XB's. Just start talking, FFS.
 
DrDamn

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Vaztu said:
CD Projekt Red already confirmed this months ago. They said the real next-gen upgrade is coming around March 2021. Launch Version is just a backwards compatible version you can play. Higher res and frames only I guess.

Edit: Link for those interested. https://www.cyberpunk.net/en/news/35449/cyberpunk-2077-next-gen-consoles-compatibility
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I have a cunning conspiracy theory on this. CDPR couldn't get the XSX version done this year due to lateness of the Dev kits from MS, so both next gen versions delayed due to marketing deal. 😈

Probably bollocks and just Dev hell and Corona but it's nice to speculate 😁
 
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mckmas8808 said:
Does anybody here even trust this guy? Like even 5%?
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RGT is reliable in my opinion. You see he doesn't make wild claims about either consoles, he doesn't even bother with things like reveal dates, prices and release dates (usually). He's information is more related to the hardware side of things which makes a lot of sense, he runs a very PC centric channel so he may have made contacts and friends from that. A lot of his PC leaks are usually very accurate as well especially on the AMD side of things. A lot of his information is usually consistent and he's not even a "hardcore" fan of consoles, he's one of those PC master race dudes. As with anything take it with a grain of salt of course.
Emmy said:
Memory bandwidth on PS5. You'd think it's not enough for console, but there's some things that might prevent games from bandwidth starving. Things like delta color compression saves bandwidth. RGT talked about PS5's GPU "robust caching system", which can also help with this. And I suppose RDNA 3 Geometry Engine, which RGT also talked about, it does not process geometry which is not appearing in the frame. This saves GPU resourses and memory bandwidth as well, did I understand correctly?
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Correct. Geometry Engine has several features some of which have not yet been revealed, essentially it allows developers to heavily optimise games for performance gains such as higher FPS, resolution and fidelity. Functionality which was heavily lacking in the previous gen.
Insane Metal said:
Also, good news I guess:




Rogame is usually reliable.
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This is interesting. Coreteks stated that Big Navi would only be able to compete with a 3070 however I was suspicious and it didn't sound right. Curious how things play out.
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At least use a little photoshop to not make it look like it's a floating head on top of an empty shirt.


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Why you gotta do our homie Mark Cerny like that?? :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
Nickolaidas

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Dan_of_Rivia said:
RGT is reliable in my opinion. You see he doesn't make wild claims about either consoles, he doesn't even bother with things like reveal dates, prices and release dates (usually). He's information is more related to the hardware side of things which makes a lot of sense, he runs a very PC centric channel so he may have made contacts and friends from that. A lot of his PC leaks are usually very accurate as well especially on the AMD side of things. A lot of his information is usually consistent and he's not even a "hardcore" fan of consoles, he's one of those PC master race dudes. As with anything take it with a grain of salt of course.

Correct. Geometry Engine has several features some of which have not yet been revealed, essentially it allows developers to heavily optimise games for performance gains such as higher FPS, resolution and fidelity. Functionality which was heavily lacking in the previous gen.

This is interesting. Coreteks stated that Big Navi would only be able to compete with a 3070 however I was suspicious and it didn't sound right. Curious how things play out.

Why you gotta do our homie Mark Cerny like that?? :messenger_tears_of_joy:
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I just trimmed the edges.
 
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azertydu91

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TheGreatWhiteShark said:
quite a lot of silly points there, I just quoted the reason you went to ignore list
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Congrats it's a perfect way of not answering any of my points but I guess being ignored for showing your bullshit is fair.Because you clearly had nothing relevant and no way to defend what you wrote.
It is amazing how you straight respond bullshit to a simple argument about how it's a good thing that Xbox games are on PC.
But I guess parroting BC was the only thing you could thing to counter ... A good point for Xbox.I think you just want to be a pain in the ass for everybody here.
I'm usually a pretty lenient guy and there's not a lot of people on my ignore list but you will make a fine addition to it.

I thought you were a fanboy Xbox at first but you are just a dick not worthy of even being viewed and unlike you I can talk with people I disagrees with.
 
Lunatic_Gamer

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Xbox Series X GPU Features- Full DX12_2 Support Confirmed

There are some big-ticket graphics features worth exposing in Direct3D 12, and important enough to be represented in a feature level. There’s a desire to streamline applications who wish to use them, and to make it easier to reason about support for those features on everyone’s gaming environments. Those big-ticket items are -
  • DirectX raytracing
  • Mesh shaders
  • Variable rate shading
  • Sampler feedback
In addition, feature level 12_2 includes a grab-bag of other capabilities, listed out below. As time moves on and newer-feature-level graphics cards become more widely available, application developers’ lives are made easier since a cumbersome capability check can be removed in favor of simple reliance on presence of the new feature level.”
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So far it was not clear if Xbox Series X will support this DX12_2 update as the new Xbox console was not listed as supported on the MS dev blog. Luckily, Director of Program Management at Team Xbox, Jason Ronald, confirmed that it already supports it.

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lordsofgaming.net

New Xbox Series X GPU Features- Full DX12_2 Support Confirmed

Microsoft announced an update to their DirectX 12 API. DX12_2 offers support for extra GPU hardware features like Variable Rate Shading.
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Lunatic_Gamer

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Possible PS5 and PS5 Digital Edition Price Leaked by French Website

The report comes from French website Xboxygen, citing multiple unnamed sources. Evidently, the standard PS5 will cost $600, whereas the PS5 Digital Edition price will be around $500. These price points match up with some previously leaked PS5 price points and are also similar to analyst predictions. Even if Xboxygen's sources are unreliable, it wouldn't be surprising at all for these to still end up as the official price points.
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gamerant.com

Possible PS5 and PS5 Digital Edition Price Leaked by French Website

A new rumor claims to reveal the price point for not just the PlayStation 5, but the Digital Edition of the next-gen console as well.
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Probably just a place holder. 🤔
 
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Moridianae

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Neither goes $600 unless that's why they both have cold feet. I don't see a repeat of the PS3 regardless of the tech behind it, honestly. They had a hard lesson learned there.
 
Dave_at_Home

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With every little fart in the wind, someone has to chime in on possible prices. September 9th better bring the goods. I want Cerny to ascend down from the heavens and disassemble the PS5 with only his mind. I then want him to explain in convoluted detail how it all works. Is that so much to ask? It's September for fucks sake.


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hemo memo

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Dave_at_Home said:
With every little fart in the wind, someone has to chime in on possible prices. September 9th better bring the goods. I want Cerny to ascend down from the heavens and disassemble the PS5 with only his mind. I then want him to explain in convoluted detail how it all works. Is that so much to ask? It's September for fucks sake.


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September 9th is out. See you in October.
 
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