DeepBreath87
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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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cryptoadam
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Flu doesn't have long term side effects?
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5 Ways the Flu Can Affect Your Health Even After You Feel Better
The flu can have some long-term effects, like increased risk of heart attack and stroke. Find out more about long-term effects of the flu.
Now consider you said yourself you don't know how much long term damage CV will do how can you say that it doesn't do the same amout of damage as the flu.
And Regular Flu doesn't kill the elderly like CV does, but regular flu kills more children and teenagers than CV so its a toss up I guess. Would you rather old people die or young people die?
Birgitte2004-2
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People have been known to have long term (like a year+) complications from the Common Cold. In addition, the coronavirus version of the cold frequently makes people lose taste and smell. As I do more investigation I'm hard pressed to find something COVID-19 does that isn't covered by other respiratory illnesses, but it keeps being presented as "new and scary".
Airbus Jr
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Fad?
Is this some kind of joke to you guys?
These are todays number
Thousands of family members are lossing their loves one
Which one of these dying people are fad?
Some of you guys are unbelievable and out of touch with reality
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Explosive Zombie
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How dare you pick and choose which articles are well written, reasoned and sourced! Just judge entire entities like I do, that way truth from sources like Brietbart or Fox never reaches me!
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hariseldon
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Would eliminating the common cold really be a good idea? Consider that it's what our immune systems face most often and thus provides a good workout, perhaps we're better off with it keeping us sharp. Without the common cold might we not become..
Birgitte2004-2
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Ahh, it's been a whole two days or so since someone last posted the ultimate COVID-19 Straw Man. Glad to see we have another "How dare you" right on schedule.
DeepBreath87
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So I’ll assume you’re just as upset about the 1600-1700 people that die in the US alone from heart disease every day and are willing to do at least as much to prevent those early deaths as you are covid. I mean otherwise it just looks like selective outrage driven by media hype.Fad?
Is this some kind of joke to you guys?
These are todays number
Thousands of family members are lossing their loves one
Which one of these dying people are fad?
Some of you guys are unbelievable and out of touch with reality
Do we need to go into why someone might call the covid response a “fad” or are you going to continue clutching your pearls?
Birgitte2004-2
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Surely he feels strongly about the ~1650 daily cancer deaths, which due to COVID response cancer screenings are way down, so the cancer death rate is likely to go significantly up. He cares just as much about that as COVID right?
DeepBreath87
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I mean I feel for the people that die from this, so I don't want to make it seem like I think we should all just go wild and let everyone get the disease. But people die for all from all sorts of things that are technically "preventable". We accept that life is worth living despite those risks. COVID fits into that risk calculation somewhere in the middle. We don't ban soda or fast food or alcohol or cigarettes. We shouldn't ban normal life either. Most people will accept masks and some level of social distancing if you stop trying to take away everything from them. The idea people need to give up haircuts and church and letting they're kids play with other kids is insane. While the potential exists that the virus will spread, there are more important things in life than this virus. There are people that don't seem to understand that. Life can't just be put on pause until all the "sky is falling" Chicken Little's feel safe. There are consequences to all of this.
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notseqi
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'Play it down': Trump admits to concealing the true threat of coronavirus in new Woodward book | CNN Politics
President Donald Trump admitted he knew weeks before the first confirmed US coronavirus death that the virus was dangerous, airborne, highly contagious and “more deadly than even your strenuous flus,” and that he repeatedly played it down publicly, according to legendary journalist Bob Woodward...
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"This is deadly stuff," Trump told Woodward on February 7.
In a series of interviews with Woodward, Trump revealed that he had a surprising level of detail about the threat of the virus earlier than previously known. "Pretty amazing," Trump told Woodward, adding that the coronavirus was maybe five times "more deadly" than the flu.
Trump's admissions are in stark contrast to his frequent public comments at the time insisting that the virus was "going to disappear" and "all work out fine."
It is a joke to them. Lack of empathy.
Birgitte2004-2
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Lack of empathy is cratering other people's lives and livelihood so you are .0008% less like to die from COVID.
Nobody feels happy people are dying from COVID, but people like you don't give a crap about the people you are killing for other reasons in order to be _very_ slightly safer from COVID.
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notseqi
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Nope, we are fine, thank you.
DeepBreath87
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Oh fuck off with your empathy bullshit. All that internet empathy amounts to nothing. Your empathy is empty and vain.
But congrats. You win the Karen empathy award of internet posturing.
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prag16
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Looks like other posters mostly covered this, but your post is complete alarmist nonsense.
How do you extrapolate lifelong damage from a few anecdotes and tiny scale studies. And as has been noted, flu sometimes causes prolonged issues too.
Yes this kills elderly at a higher rate than the flu, but what do you consider 'a good chance'? It's nowhere close to a death sentence, with the vast majority (80+%) surviving, and we don't know how much of that 20% was unnecessarily killed by ventilators.
Fad?
Is this some kind of joke to you guys?
These are todays number
Thousands of family members are lossing their loves one
Which one of these dying people are fad?
Some of you guys are unbelievable and out of touch with reality
The only joke here is your surface level ignorant alarmist hot take.
All of this, except the masks. Masks CANNOT become any kind of fixture for a prolonged period of time. There is no direct RCT type evidence they actually are doing much of anything to stop this virus, and the evidence that does exist is full of uncertainty and confounding factors. They're also dystopian as fuck. Ditching the masks on a grand scale has to happen sooner rather than later.
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I work in a care home... we had the first outbreak in Canada... I saw 22 people die within 3 weeks. Are you telling me this is ‘normal’? It isn’t.
We’ve had flu outbreaks before - and yes some people died. But it was nothing like Covid 19. The way this disease swept through our building was the most frightening thing I’ve ever witnessed and it forced a full operational lockdown. The measures we were forced to take were brutal. Not just on the residents but on the staff as well.
The fact is, we HAD to take those measures or the whole building was going to go down. We finally managed to end the outbreak, but it was months of exhausting work.
This disease is not normal. Stop comparing it to the flu or the common cold.
You can’t tell me that this disease isn’t going to cause long term damage in a significant percentage of the population because YOU DON’T KNOW THAT. It will be ten years before we know what harm this disease is really causing.
DeepBreath87
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And there it is. Without NY and NJ, the US looks like most of Europe in terms of death from COVID.
lock2k
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diffusionx
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ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com
The evidence on the ineffectiveness of lockdowns is clearer than the evidence on the effectiveness of masks, yet people seem to immediately default to large and small scale lockdown in response to case counts (which are total bullshit at this point anyway, even with mass testing). This points to the powers of media and propaganda to shape thoughts. When you hear hundreds or thousands of times a day things like “stay home to stop the spread” or “mask up and social distance, it saves lives”, it becomes fact to you despite evidence or analysis, and once it gets there, delodging it is very difficult if not impossible. The propagandists know this, which is why they say it. The question is why they say it, anyone who seriously thinks their first goal is “saving lives” is fooling themselves, because if it was their first goal, they wouldn’t be advocating this stuff.
The media has a vested interest in presenting the insane autocracy of Cuomo as the “model” despite the clear facts - they say it day after day so, as with the lockdowns, people believe it. Again, the question is why?
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MisterFalcon
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It's a drop from 580 to 510 deaths per million if you deducts those deaths and population, just enough to get past Sweden.
Airbus Jr
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What is this what is this bulshit man ?
Anyone here having precaution forthemselves and social distancing for the disease is now being accused of fearmongering?
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Airbus Jr
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Give me a fukin break
give me a fukin break
give me a fukin break
Some of you guys have no ideas the situation inside the hospital right now
Completely out of touch with the situation
Bulshit
Most Neogafers are gamers and have litle involvment in medical field so this attitude should not be surprising
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Birgitte2004-2
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Stop pulling this garbage. We could live with social distancing and masks, but that's NOT what we are asked to do. We are asked to close businesses. Stop all funerals. Stop travel. Quarantine yourself if you get the sniffles. Support wide-scale rioting.
No, but we have involvement with people who've been royally screwed by the response, but you don't care about that in any way. Who cares if millions die in a response to save thousands...right? At least you are mildly safer.
I am so sick of you self-righteous "Doesn't impact me so who cares?" people who arrive every few days to insult people who actually care about the world beyond COVID. You know, that thing that used to exist until China and the WHO got together to destroy as much of the world as they could.
cryptoadam
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I know whats going in hospitals right now where I live. My friend works in one. Not to many patients, hasn't worked with a COVID patient in months. I get to hear first hand whats happening in them.
Birgitte2004-2
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You must be lying crypto, we all know COVID-19 is the single deadliest thing in the history of mankind. We need to wear full hazmat suits, never get within 100 yards of another human ever again, and kill every single person who ever so much as coughs going forward. If we don't, DOZENS of people will die! Do you hear me? Dozens!
Jezbollah
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Yep likewise, via my friends eldest daughter. The hospital situation is dependent on multiple factors - overall population behavior, demographic of age of those with Covid symptoms severe enought to warrant hospital admission and overall lessons learnt from treating patients with COVID19 and recent discoveries of treatment methods that not only reduce mortality rates, but reduce the period of treatment in hospital.
From what I see from the countries who have the worst problems right now, we can see a few patterns - three of those major:
- poor access to good healthcare
- ignorant/uneducated of those with knowledge of the virus, or selfish attitudes to self protection, putting more at risk of exposure
- complacency of younger age groups
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cryptoadam
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But how does that explain Africa though?
The enitre continent of Africa has less deaths than just black people in the USA, and half the deaths are in South Africa the most "western" of African countries.
You can't tell me that Zimbabwe or Ghana or Cameroon has better healthcare access, more lockdowns, and a more "educated" populace?
I would think the worst countries are probably the fatest. USA/BRAZIL/MEXICO are all pretty fat. From what I know INDIA is pretty fat too, at least compare to its Asian neighboors. Meanwhile Asia, China/SK/HK/Japan have done pretty well and they aren't very fat.
Also vitamin D too, which again in the West is something that people are deficient in, especially the BIPOC community which is the hardest hit.
Last fact is being stupid idiots and killing old people. EU 50% of deaths in old age homes. USA 40%. Where I live the epicenter of Canada and worst hit place, more deaths than the entire of Canada combined. 86% of deaths all took place in old age homes.
So Fat+Vit D defiency+fucking up senior homes=gonna have a bad time.
DeepBreath87
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Um.... I work in a hospital directly caring for COVID patients at a fairly large hospital in Pennsylvania... so yeah I have a pretty good idea of what it's like. Do you?
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Jezbollah
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I think Africa by and large comes down to the amount of testing, confirmed cases, deaths being reported as COVID. I mean, fuck - its starting to be evident that the UK had between 100,000 to 250,000 cases per day back in early April, vs the 5000-7000 cases reported officially. I mentioned this a while ago in this thread - we'll only know about the deaths, and not the overal picture of the cases, espcially with asymptomous carriers.
Unless we have some kind of magical unicorn who can give us global anti-body test, most if not all the current figures are just bollocks. Times it by 50 might end up not as nuts as it seems.
I 100% bet India is uuuultra fucked right now.
But as can be seen by the dick waggling about vaccines, everything has well gone past being policial - so we'll never see true numbers of cases/deaths, because leaders of countries don't want to lose status by being honest. The cunts.
DragoonKain
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How the Coronavirus Attacks the Brain (Published 2020)
It’s not just the lungs — the pathogen may enter brain cells, causing symptoms like delirium and confusion, scientists reported.
carlosrox
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Fad?
Is this some kind of joke to you guys?
These are todays number
Thousands of family members are lossing their loves one
Which one of these dying people are fad?
Some of you guys are unbelievable and out of touch with reality
Show me the numbers of all the other deaths around the world and how we have signs, advertising, and nonstop news and updates about every single fucking person that dies.
cryptoadam
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I will agree the case numbers are BS. Ya as if NY only was have 8-9K cases a day back in April, when the US was doing like 50K tests a day LOL.
But deaths? I am sure there is some under counting (or ovrecounting depends), but I don't see how Africa could be hiding a graveyard. Everyone is waiting for Africa to go to hell and if there was the slightest hint it would be shouted from the rooftops. Consider that Africa has been ravaged by disease in the pass and it was always a well known story (think AIDS or Zeka etc....) If COVID was running wild it would be everywhere.
Scientists can’t explain puzzling lack of coronavirus outbreaks in Africa
The novel coronavirus has infected more than 26.35 million people, with just four countries accounting for over 15 million cases. They are the United States, Brazil, India and Russia — the same fou…
nypost.com
Here we see the times bringing up the same question I asked. So "scientist" and journalist are looking at Africa and they aren't seeing mass coverups with giant gravesites. The article mentions what you said but concludes that even if there was under counting it still doesn't make up for the low numbers or explain them.
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More like a lack of myopia. Covid is not the only thing going on in the world.
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Meanwhile, Cuomo is writing a fucking book about his triumph and being praised as a hero amongst the Democrats.
Birgitte2004-2
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Here's a novel thought. Large parts of Africa take Chloroquine regularly because it's cheap and because it protects from Malaria, which Africa is known to have in the highest quantities in the world (In 2018 93% of the world's cases of Malaria were in Africa).I will agree the case numbers are BS. Ya as if NY only was have 8-9K cases a day back in April, when the US was doing like 50K tests a day LOL.
But deaths? I am sure there is some under counting (or ovrecounting depends), but I don't see how Africa could be hiding a graveyard. Everyone is waiting for Africa to go to hell and if there was the slightest hint it would be shouted from the rooftops. Consider that Africa has been ravaged by disease in the pass and it was always a well known story (think AIDS or Zeka etc....) If COVID was running wild it would be everywhere.
Scientists can’t explain puzzling lack of coronavirus outbreaks in Africa
The novel coronavirus has infected more than 26.35 million people, with just four countries accounting for over 15 million cases. They are the United States, Brazil, India and Russia — the same fou…
Here we see the times bringing up the same question I asked. So "scientist" and journalist are looking at Africa and they aren't seeing mass coverups with giant gravesites. The article mentions what you said but concludes that even if there was under counting it still doesn't make up for the low numbers or explain them.
Mr Nash
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Meanwhile, in Japan...
english.kyodonews.net
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I imagine some of this is to test out how to reopen stuff in time for the Olympics, but it'll be interesting to see how all this plays out over there in the coming months.
Tokyo to end shorter hours for bars Tues., virus alert to be lowered
The Tokyo metropolitan government is making final arrangements to end its policy of asking establishments serving alcohol in the capital's central 23 wards to close by 10 p.m., as the number of coronavirus cases has been trending downward in recent days, a source familiar with the situation says.
Japan to weigh allowing up to 20,000 spectators at events amid virus
Japan will consider raising the upper limit for the number of spectators at sports, concerts and other events to up to 20,000 from the current 5,000, as coronavirus cases have been moderating recently, a senior government official says.
I imagine some of this is to test out how to reopen stuff in time for the Olympics, but it'll be interesting to see how all this plays out over there in the coming months.
hyperbertha
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Core tenet of Marxism is initiating disruption at a time of capitalist crisis. Covid is their crisis, and they'll do all they can to keep society from functioning normally. Their push has gotten significantly stronger after covid struck.
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cryptoadam
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Wondering if reading this correct most of the US hospital % of occupancy is under 10%, most under 5%. So 95% of beds are unoccupied? Not sure if reading these charts correctly.
DeepBreath87
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I believe this is referring specifically to beds occupied by covid patients. So that would mean 5% of beds are being occupied by covid patients.
Wondering if reading this correct most of the US hospital % of occupancy is under 10%, most under 5%. So 95% of beds are unoccupied? Not sure if reading these charts correctly.
Explosive Zombie
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There goes the hospitals being overrun narrative
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