Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
I can sell mine for like $380 easily right at this monemnt, but I've decided to wait for reviews and 1440p benchmarks on monday first, just to make sure if it's really worth it.
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BluRayHiDef
Banned
I'm going to keep my 1080Ti, just as I've kept my HD 5870 and HD 7970. I had a 980Ti, but I traded that in at Microcenter for store credit, which I used to get my 1080Ti.
nemiroff
Gold Member
I thought your pic was oddly out of place brother - Until I clicked "Show ignored content". Pretty amusing turn of context.
Rikkori
Member
jigglet
Banned
No. The PSU powers the whole system not just the GPU.
I know but my point was, if I had a crazy powerful CPU could that end up taking capacity from the GPU and thus make a 450w PSU insufficient (I don't have a crazy powerful CPU but I'm just curious)?
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Krappadizzle
Member
You need a PSU that can handle whatever load of everything is on your PC. If your CPU/Ram/Mobo pulls a lot of power because of overclocks/etc then yes, 450w PSU might not be enough.
jigglet
Banned
Ok. Looks like I'll need to recalc my whole setup to double check the power draw.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Who actually expects big navi to be competitive? I'm sure it will be priced nicely but performance wise?
jigglet
Banned
I don't care. I'm not an Nvidia fanboy, I'll dump this shit as long as something better comes along. But the last AMD cards went through 6 months worth of bugs before a decent patch comes along. A $100 saving is not enough for 6 months of pain. Noooo way.
Rikkori
Member
Who doesn't? At the silicon level things are very clear for how well it can do, depending on how hard they go in with the memory config. AMD's problem now is more in relation to the software stack and the various features where it gets outclassed by Nvidia (DLSS, the various tensor core addons like Voice, Broadcast etc; NVENC encoder, AV1 support, superior Shadowplay recording etc). An 80 CU 384bit Navi would have absolutely no trouble besting a 3080 just in terms of rasterisation, which is still the most important thing.
Problem is people are suffering from recency bias and aren't knowledgeable about GPU history in general. Pascal was a miracle breakthrough of performance, but it wasn't just AMD that suffered for it, Nvidia themselves have trouble really blowing past what they achieved back then. Radeon vs Geforce has had a tumultuous history but it's always swung back and forth. It's only taken longer now because AMD were forced to stick with GCN (for various reasons) so the comeback isn't instantaneous but RDNA can absolutely fight back. It was honestly not too different compared to their CPUs being stuck with the Bulldozers for so long because once you put things into play it takes years to change course, that's just the nature of tech manufacturing. And you see Intel have the same problem with their monolithic designs.
AquaticSquirrel
Member
No one really knows until it releases
Based on the XSX as a piece of evidence that seems to reach roughly 2080 levels of performance with 52CUs and modest clock/power draw as it is on a single APU for a console I think they might be competitive.
With increased die size, larger CU count, higher clocks, higher power draw, perf/watt architecture improvements over RDNA1/IPC gain I think it is possible they could be competitive in performance. Obviously we won't know anything for sure until we see benchmarks but I think they can probably compete, at least I hope they can for good competition in the GPU space.
There seem to be a lot of rumours going around that indicate they can compete. Granted take them all with a grain of salt as they could be just wishful thinking but it seems Radeon group have gotten their act together somewhat now that they have proper R&D funding so they could surprise everyone.
Similarly Nvidia themselves seem to think they could be competitive given the agressive pricing/holding back larger memory sizes for Ti class cards to compete with AMD. Nvidia likely know/suspect a lot more about what AMD are cooking up than the rest of us I would imagine so by their own actions they seem to indicate that they think AMD can compete.
If they don't compete and they mess up then that is disappointing but so be it, sucks for competition in the GPU space but it is what it is.
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I would be shocked if it weren't competitive - though it doesn't have to beat the 3080 to compete with it.
Rikkori
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Smiles and Cries
Member
I am new at this too I dunno why some say GTX and what RTX is in regards to
two fans is sexy
JackNightblade
Member
if im someone who doesnt mind connecting their PC to a TV then does it make any sense to spend $800+ on a 4k 120hz gaming monitor when i can just get a $800 4k 120hz tv @ a much larger size?
im not an input lag snob so if the tv is unnoticeably slower in reaponse then that means nothing to me
im not an input lag snob so if the tv is unnoticeably slower in reaponse then that means nothing to me
Smiles and Cries
Member
the only reason I am not getting a 4k TV is because I'm aiming for an utra wide for racing and flight sims I don't really need a big difference to be honest if you are not looking for any special high specs
Allnamestakenlol
Member
I could probably figure this out easy enough on my own, but I'm feeling lazy. Do we need new PSU's for the 30 series? Thought I heard something about additional plug/connector requirements or somesuch.
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ZywyPL
Banned
Honestly, no matter how you slice it, the Big Navi will be a 20-22TF card, so slightly below 3070 and slightly above the rumored 3060Ti. Unless AMD is holding back some sort of a holy grail of DLSS caliber, which will make the card able to hit way above its on-paper specs. It's a simple math, really - 2080 has about 12TF, so does XSX, so that indicates that RDNA2 TFlops will be finally as effective as Nvidia ones, which is a really good sign for pretty much every gamer out there, but that also means that if we can finally translate the performance/TFlops in 1:1 proportions, the AMD flagship GPU will be fighting against Nvidia's 400-500$ cards... Unless like I said, there's something we don't know and hasn't leaked yet.
Rikkori
Member
Been playing on a TV connected to my PC for years, imo the monitor market is FUCKED! Super expensive & inferior in terms of picture quality. If you're not playing esports titles 24/7 or don't hate a big screen then it makes no sense to go for a monitor.
Input lag is actually very good for TVs nowadays, and even better if you put into 120hz mode. Even as an ex-competitive player I have no issue with it on an otherwise middling Sony. Now that I play single-player titles only nothing compares to the picture quality & sheer size of a TV, especially as I sit close. It's honestly the best upgrade you can make for your gaming experience.
No, only FE has 12pin and that comes with adaptor anyway.
Wrong calculations. RNDA already is equal to Turing on a tflop basis (see tests by either computerbase or pcgameshardware, can't remember which). Watch Buildzoid's video for a more detailed breakdown. Remember, we already have a single leak from some time ago that put big navi at 20% faster than 2080 Ti (the VR one).
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AquaticSquirrel
Member
TFLOPs don't really mean anything for performance as they are not strictly speaking a gaming performance metric. They are even more useless when trying to compare across completely different architectures.
I think we all discussed this in that other thread about Ampere TFLOPs count so I don't really want to go into all of that again, you should check out that thread, it is a good read.
To give an example, a 2080ti is rated as having 13.45 TFLOPS. The 3070 is supposed to match a 2080ti in performance (roughly) but has 20+ TFLOPS. TFLOPS are mostly useless for comparing gaming performance.
Putting that whole discussion aside, if you honestly don't believe AMD can at minimum match a 2080ti level of performance (3070) with 80CUs on a discrete PC GPU with high power draw/clocks when the XSX is roughly 2080 level of performance with only 52CUs clocked conservatively on a small APU die with low power draw then I have some magic beans to sell you!
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Kenpachii
Member
That whole thread was embarrassing. Because of the simple fact that u cant compare tflops over different architectures.
Should probably stop watching those armchair youtube experts.
Tflops does what it does. The bigger number = more performance, its as simple as that. But it has to be on the same architecture.
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saintjules
Member
Really pathetic numbers. Do they want to make me wait for Navi?!
I have a 2060 Super and wondering if it's still a good jump to 3080. I'm just getting into the PC gaming space seriously for the first time.
AquaticSquirrel
Member
While it is true that TFLOPs can be a reasonable rough metric of the "power" of different cards with the same architecture even then they do not scale linearly but they do represent a very rough baseline of performance to allow comparison across the same architecture.
TFLOPs in and of themselves are just a measure of TFLOPS which can be quite useful in compute workloads/scientific calculations but don't in and of themselves represent any specific gaming performance, which is why I say that as a metric in and of themselves they don't represent gaming performance in the same way that for example MPH/KPH would accurately represent a car's performance.
I agree though that comparing TFLOPs across different architectures is completely pointless and means nothing for gaming performance.
GHG
Member
It always depends on what your needs are at the time. If you are playing something and you would benefit from being able to increase your framerate/resolution/settings by stepping up to a newer card (provided you can afford it of course) then there's no reason not to. It will also give you piece of mind that you're in a better position to play newer games at higher quality than you otherwise would be able to over the next few years.
JackNightblade
Member
anyone have any clue when preorders are supposed to go up? i know the 17th at 9am est is laucnh
sackings
Member
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 synthetic and gaming performance leaked - VideoCardz.com
We have new benchmark results straight from reviewers. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 performance The official embargo on GeForce RTX 3080 Founders Edition review lifts on Monday. We have been contacted by many reviewers trying to verify their results, and since we already have the data, we decided to...
videocardz.com
not nearly as powerful as nvidias marketing would have you believe, assuming this is accurate.
J3nga
Member
Some of you are really bad at numbers. SOTR without the DLSS @4K is around 75% increase over 2080 according to that leaked chart. Far Cry New Dawn around 55% @ 4K, when NVIDIA tells 3080 doubles the performance of 2080, what they mean is best case scenario, but that number will vary depending on the game and even on the scene/location. I don't care about synthetics. because I won't be buying card to run synthetic tests, but games benchmarks are solid IMO.
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TyphoonStruggle
Member
That’s why we always wait for real-world benchmarks from reputable reviewers like Gamers Nexus. Why are we talking about something so obvious???NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 synthetic and gaming performance leaked - VideoCardz.com
We have new benchmark results straight from reviewers. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 performance The official embargo on GeForce RTX 3080 Founders Edition review lifts on Monday. We have been contacted by many reviewers trying to verify their results, and since we already have the data, we decided to...
not nearly as powerful as nvidias marketing would have you believe, assuming this is accurate.
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BluRayHiDef
Banned
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 synthetic and gaming performance leaked - VideoCardz.com
We have new benchmark results straight from reviewers. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 performance The official embargo on GeForce RTX 3080 Founders Edition review lifts on Monday. We have been contacted by many reviewers trying to verify their results, and since we already have the data, we decided to...
not nearly as powerful as nvidias marketing would have you believe, assuming this is accurate.
Maybe the difference will increase with new drivers? Is there any chance of this? Also, why isn't there any info on the 3090?
Rikkori
Member
Yes, of course, it's a considerable jump, especially at 4K. That being said, you already have a 2060 Super which is a capable card & has RT+DLSS. I wouldn't necessarily rush into it because a lot more options will open up next month, from both Nvidia and AMD. Worst case scenario you wait a month.
replicant-
Member
Krappadizzle
Member
I'd guess it's a safe assumption to just take the 3080 info and add 15-20% on top and you'll have a reasonable expectation of what the 3090 can do.
saintjules
Member
Thanks Guys for the thoughts. It seems making the jump would mainly be for future proofing. Will keep watching to see what else comes about.
Unknown Soldier
Member
It's twice as fast as my 1080 Ti. I'm in.NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 synthetic and gaming performance leaked - VideoCardz.com
We have new benchmark results straight from reviewers. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 performance The official embargo on GeForce RTX 3080 Founders Edition review lifts on Monday. We have been contacted by many reviewers trying to verify their results, and since we already have the data, we decided to...
not nearly as powerful as nvidias marketing would have you believe, assuming this is accurate.
Red-Town
Member
Has this been posted?
videocardz.com
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 synthetic and gaming performance leaked - VideoCardz.com
We have new benchmark results straight from reviewers. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 performance The official embargo on GeForce RTX 3080 Founders Edition review lifts on Monday. We have been contacted by many reviewers trying to verify their results, and since we already have the data, we decided to...
videocardz.com
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
*edit* missed the VCZ post on 3060ti...
On the topic of upgrading from 2060 Super: that's what I have and with Cyberpunk supporting RTX/DLSS and Ampere having better than expected pricing, I think something like a 3070 16GB/3080 10GB would be a solid upgrade.
On the topic of upgrading from 2060 Super: that's what I have and with Cyberpunk supporting RTX/DLSS and Ampere having better than expected pricing, I think something like a 3070 16GB/3080 10GB would be a solid upgrade.
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Rikkori
Member
New RDNA2 "leak" - take it with a big fistful of salt, I normally don't link to this guy but ehhh, the thirst is real.
*60% performance per watt???
*No HBM2
*Not using 512bit bus. Lower Bus width
*Infinity Cache on the GPU 128MB which helps make up for the lack of memory bandwidth of GDDR6
*Clock Frequency similiar/around to PS5
*80CU
*6700, 6800, 6900 skus
*6700 will equal 3070
*No word if they will undercut Nvidia pricing.
*60% performance per watt???
*No HBM2
*Not using 512bit bus. Lower Bus width
*Infinity Cache on the GPU 128MB which helps make up for the lack of memory bandwidth of GDDR6
*Clock Frequency similiar/around to PS5
*80CU
*6700, 6800, 6900 skus
*6700 will equal 3070
*No word if they will undercut Nvidia pricing.
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grfunkulus
Banned
This was out days ago....also, there's no guarantee the higher SKUs ship at the same time. You really want to wait an extra 4-5 months on the off chance that the highest end Navi card *maybe beats the 3080 when we know it's still going to lose in any game that has decent implementation of DLSS? Not to even mention ray tracing. I'm just not buying any of it. And for amd to just say 'hold on, we promise it'll be worth the wait THIS TIME' instead of actually showing something, is not a great indication of where they're at.
You don't do that if you're so far in second place. At least not if you want to be successful
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grfunkulus
Banned
That's a super big bummer. I wonder if any best buys will have them in store...I have a buddy who works there but hasn't seen anything yet...if he's privy to that info, I'd imagine it wouldn't be til next week when they start rolling in on the trucks, to keep the leaks to a minimum (feel like we would've heard of it by now).
Nfactor_AF
Neo Member
Best Buy is selling the FE's, it's on their website
martino
Member
grfunkulus
Banned
Right but their website is notoriously slow. I don't want to chance not getting one on launch morning through their site if I can get one in the store. I don't think anyone has that information yet.
grfunkulus
Banned
I agree that I'm not confident they'll ship it. Especially since the $800 doesn't even exist on Asus's site. There is an overclock mode/switch on the base card so I don't really get the reason for a separate sku on B&H unless they just got bad info. And if theyre selling better binned silicon for $20 more than that's just shitty as well. Idk.
Anyway, I'm keeping it for now as a backup. Can always cancel before it ships. Wouldn't pass up a better card from MSI or the like for cheaper but that's far from a guarantee
Malakhov
Banned
Resell value is out of this world here right now. I sold a rx470 a few weeks ago for 150$. A 1660 super used is 250$ when new it's 300$. You should be able to get something decent. Mind that these are CAD prices
Think I'll sell the 1660 super and grab a 3070
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