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BatSu
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
The "one" is the worst, at least if they went with Xbox Scarlet and Lockhart it's much easier, even Xbox Scorpio for X1X. They actually sound cooler.
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zaitsu
Banned
Good design choice... Or
I like boxes more than consoles
Bo_Hazem
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
To be seen. It's not normal what is happening at the moment. Yields are pretty low.Reading through these comments reassured me. I was getting scared of getting a launch PS5. Thanks.
So just to put out the doubt that still lingers, there won't be any problems right?
user1337
Member
The heck are you getting those numbers from? I got a fat PS3 on lauch and it still works.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Source for this? I had a launch PS3 and it died in 2014
Handy Fake
Member
Same.
Although it looks like the coffin they fired Spock off in at the end of Wrath of Khan.
Elog
Member
It is totally normal for initial yields with a large piece if silicon. What is discussed is the trajectory for the yield increase over time.
What yield do you think Zen 3900/3950 has for example at TMSC? I promise you that it is less than 20% BUT the failed pieces are being used as 3x00 CPUs where x is lower than 9, i.e. binning.
Agnostic2020
Member
Neo Blaster
Member
RAM portions have different bandwidths, are we discussing semantics now?Except it's not split
Neo Blaster
Member
Dude, there's a perfect system for you, it's called Neo Geo CD. Those load times just go into eternity.
user1337
Member
Lol, mine looked good, just dusty. Gave it to my neighbours kid (he is only 9, and never had a PS3). He plays it now and as far as I am aware, everything is still running fine.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
A single pool of memory with variable speed depending on where data is stored is not even remotely the same as a split memory pool. It's not even semantics.
A 10% failure rate in a sample of just 16,000 consoles, 11 years ago, when the PS3 was a year younger than the 360. Big oof.
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Deleted member 775630
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Why do you say these initial yields are normal? To what are you comparing?
Neo Blaster
Member
Wondering how much new FUD can still be invented till Wednesday, Discord gang members meetings must be interesting.
Neo Blaster
Member
Yes, it is split bandwidth.
P.S.: long time no see here, you must have got some balls after bad yields FUD.
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BGs
Industry Professional
Mmm... In the studies on annual deaths, people with a high probability of dying are not counted. The bodies are counted.
Although it is possible that due to my terrible level of English I am not understanding you. If so, excuse me.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Memory=/=bandwidth, do you need a dictionary?
Hilarious coming from the user too scared to leave their safe space.
Insane Metal
Member
If 36CUs are a problem, imagine 52. I'd think Series X will have very few units available.
SSfox
Member
This remind me Xbox 360 that was meant To be xenon, there was Even a stage in Doa4 that highlighed it. I think This would've been more badass as a name.
Flippo
Neo Member
I think the X360 had also problems with the disc drive missing some shock cushions / pads. The disc could touch the laser resulting in a circular scratch on the disc making it unreadable. In the end the laser was also damaged, not reading any disc. I think they later said that you should not move the console (vertical to horizontal) while running.
Elog
Member
Silicon fab processes. The whole concept of binning of CPUs is because of low yields in the high end. It is basically an asymptotic curve. TMSC and Sony has of course not initially put themselves in the far end of the curve based on test runs in the fab but most certainly started somewhere in the middle, i.e. 50-60% with a clear path towards improvement.
On the GPU side, the exponential cost increase in manufacturing of large GPUs as measured in mm2 is not because of silicon being exponentially more expensive. It is almost exclusively due to an exponential reduction in yields as a function of mm2 in the fab.
geordiemp
Member
No, they are rumoured from rumours/.....LOL
Its just simple FUD. 7nm is an established process at TSMC and statistics dont suddenly get worse day before ps5 big show, funny that..
Parametric yield with be a normal distribution and well known for the chips.
Particulate will be a percentage and its die size.
Saying something drastically changed when things are so well engineered and designed is pure FUD, especially that just applies to 1 customer of that FAB, its laughable..
Cant belive someone has spread such crap, well I can actually.
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Games Bookstore
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Shmunter
Member
While the hardware doesn’t force the devs into storing and moving data around, the memory on XsX will require a considered approach by devs to avoid inadvertently running into performance bottlenecks.
Time sensitive development may just live with it, or simply limit themselves into the fast portion to avoid extra optimisation.
As with any situation, unnecessary complexity leads to less than ideal outcomes. Not sure what MS was thinking.
Neo Blaster
Member
split verb (DIVIDE)
B2 [ I or T ]
to (cause to) divide into two or more parts
That just proves you know nothing about me, quit the BS.
Finally, signed for 200Mbps download / 50Mbps upload fiber internet. This exact video took 12-fucking-hours to upload to youtube (only 4.6GB) (currently 16Mbps down/ 1Mbps up ADSL).
And finally got the email confirmation:
Thank you for signing up to Awasr's Fibrenet Home Broadband Service.
Next step: Our team will visit your premises to conduct a site survey to suggest the best way to get the fibre cable into your premises and where to place Awasr Router.
After this survey, our engineering team will visit to install the fibre cable into your premises and connect your service.
I've been sitting around with my 2Gbps connection for over a year hoping that Sony gives us PS Now or google gives us Stadia. But they all just ignore this region
Rudius
Member
Genius!
BGs
Industry Professional
Is possible.
geordiemp
Member
Why do you say they are not normal, a rumour ? from undiscoled sources by a reporter ?
LOL, until TSMC or AMD or Sony say otherwise, which they would do for market guidance, its crap.
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BatSu
Member
CrysisFreak
Banned
I don't care about yields just tell me when I finally get to buy one ffs. Hopefully one more day and then it's on.
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
Your only argument is that it comes from an unknown source towards a journalist. That's a lot of times how journalism works. They got anonymous sources that tell them things.
RaZoR No1
Member
I had both problems on my X360
RROD and the disc drive issue.
In the past you could buy shock cushions to minimize the issue. But the best solution was to change the drive
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Not sure bringing up how fucking awful quality control was on 360 is exactly the right thing to do when arguing about the Ps5’s potential failure rate...
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Neo Blaster
Member
And here it is, guys, from the lion's mouth.
Let's just wait for the next FUD, 33 hours can be quite productive.
Neo Blaster
Member
Dude, you must really have some serious problem if you took all this time just for that. I spend most time here, but that doesn't mean I don't post elsewhere. Like I said, you know nothing about me.
And again, split is just semantics.
Have a good Wednesday.
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Felessan
Member
You are really stretching. All electronics have 100% failure rate by this accord as even the most durable eventually will fail. Electronics not designed to last hundreds and thousands of years.
But failure rate is not a "lifetime rate" but usually yearly or warranty period fail rate. And fat PS3 had maybe not the best failure rate, but rather reasonable one (mine ps3 fat died after 3 years, mine ps4pro died after 2)
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
It took all of 30 seconds.
No, it isn't.
Split and shared memory are entirely different memory structures.
-Arcadia-
Banned
Good design choice... Or
I like it. As the box designer, the system choices are out of your hands, so all you can do is work with what you’re given (I am not offering an opinion on Xbox aesthetics here; just saying), and probably in a management approved style.
In that framework, I like the tact of focusing on the most unique part of each Xbox.
Personally, I’m a little more fond of more abstract/minimalist stuff. That all-blue PS2 NA box, still looks amazing.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
We're almost there guys!
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Dodkrake
Banned
Yeah, journalism is great when it caters to our personal biases. Just like "journalists" decided to ignore ID Software Lead Engineers concerned about the Series S and went with the Fake Dev Gavin Stevens.
Suffice to say, this report may be correct in all accounts, they may have the best sources, but in the last 2 or 3 months it looks like every time Microsoft shits the bed, some sort of news detrimental to the PS5 are released. The show tomorrow and the timing of this "report" should raise some eyebrows, but seems like we're in candy land now.
hemo memo
Member
Handy Fake
Member
Quite like the main Xbox package (I've given up trying to remember the various permutations).
The white one looks like I'm being sold a DAB radio from an upscale department store.
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