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[azertydu91]

Demon souls would be my big game to go too, i would love to see another level of Rachet and clank, not so much the rift portals any more, i want to see an actual level running around and using some gadgets, i would love a prehistoric setting one.

And i know this is a long shot and there is probably 0...............1% chance of it happening, bloodborne 2. but yer that is just a dream.

horizon zero dawn 2 , i mean who does not want to see that besides Phil Spencer and co.

All in all, i will just be happy to see new information so that everyone here gets chatting again, on new things.


Oh yer, and the price, Please be £350-399 pounds, please don't be higher, if it is, its crying time.

In honor of a lost soul @gamenyc78

Yeah Bloodborne 2 would be awesome.
Horizon will build upon the solid foundation of the first one so I'm confident.

 

[kensama]

Paranoia lol

Both new Xbox are RDNA 2 based.
There are several confirmations about that.

I think it' just aiming Xbox Fanboys with PS5 FUD

 

[sircaw]

Uncharted was based on Indiana Jones. Sony will never make an actual Indy game because they'd have to give up a lot of the revenue to the license holder Disney. And Uncharted is already a huge brand.

Naughty Dog is done with Uncharted for now. This rumored new Sony studio could be making one though, and I think it will either be another Chloe game, or the rumored Sully game.

yer i think we all agree, we are just hoping hehe

 

[hemo memo]

many companies will continue to prioritize the 30fps for non-online games.

That’s why it’s important to have the 30/60 option for every game and I believe next-gen will be different in that regard. At least for 1st party games.

 

[ethomaz]

many companies will continue to prioritize the 30fps for non-online games.

There is nothing wrong with that.
And I’m glad devs are smart enough to choose the best framerate that fits their vision without have to make concessions.

 

[hemo memo]

Wtf is this ?? Why r people there 28 hours early thirst is real

Th early you are the less chance of getting connection issues in the stream.

 

[sircaw]

Come on Doncabesa , since you left me that triggered emote.

What are you looking forward to the most tomorrow night?
anything out of Sony glorious games has your juices up and running and no multiplat games, your not getting out of it that easy.

Come on, let's hear it, your part of this community, what you excited for?

 

[FunkMiller]

Sony needs some megaton announcement

MGS remake exclusive with hayter returning or something

So, the big megatons for me would be:

GTA 6 exclusive deal
Silent Hill reboot exclusive
FF16 exclusive
Bloodborne 2 (or Elden Ring exclusive)

 

[Doncabesa]

Come on Doncabesa , since you left me that triggered emote.

What are you looking forward to the most tomorrow night?
anything out of Sony glorious games has your juices up and running and no multiplat games, your not getting out of it that easy.

Come on, let's hear it, your part of this community, what you excited for?

I enjoyed Spider-Man so I'm looking forward to Miles Morales, other than that it's exciting to see new things and I'm sure the quality will be high.

 

[hemo memo]

But it’s true. It’s the fastest most powerful Xbox ever. Hahah why remove that when it has nothing to do with Sony?

 

[jimbojim]

Paranoia lol

Both new Xbox are RDNA 2 based.
There are several confirmations about that.

Let me guess. TheGreatWhiteShark immediately jumped on this tweet? Was it?

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

"It's sunny on where Cory Barlog lives, the propesct of no snow this year lead us to believe that the Fimbulwinter was cancelled on the universe of 2018 God of War."

Cory is trolling everyone and I bet he's loving it.

 

[Darklor01]

That add on slot for weed was part of PS2:

I'm not sure, but I don't think PS5 has that kind of backwards compatibility.

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

I think it must be true that it's just RDNA (not RDNA2 certified) if the next AMD RDNA2 uses only 36-40CU chips (2x for big navi or even more, 3D stacked). Maybe AMD wants to keep RDNA2 mated with a set of features to be called that. When AMD reveals the new cards it'll be clear. CU's themselves probably RDNA2-based.

EDIT: AMD's article reassured that it's RDNA2.

I think it's really RDNA 2, but you usually take the number if you want to leave things nebulous. Maybe a mention of RDNA3 could let them uneasy with just RDNA2 (lol, I kid). I just don't get why make changes at this height of the competition.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

In other completely unrelated news:

I've seen reports from some very reputable sources that claim 5g causes Covid along with Cancer and most other maladies, even illnesses discovered before 5g.

Do Wifi6 and 5g have much in common.

Can confirm 5G gave me aids

It wasn't even consensual

 

[sircaw]

Come on EviLore , we wanna know what your looking forward to the most from tomorrows night ps5 event.


And don't give me that crap that you need to remain impartial bla bla bla, i got ties with Mod of War and i will get your arse banned.

As our head member and grand honcho of this site, we demand answers.

give it to us, or we will riot.

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

That add on slot for weed was part of PS2:

I'm not sure, but I don't think PS5 has that kind of backwards compatibility.

You have just leaked the SSD expansion bay, codename Weedsafe.

 

[Darklor01]

You have just leaked the SSD expansion bay, codename Weedsafe.

Weedsafe has now been revealed as Skunk Storage Device. This device is only for high speed weed.

 

[Zoro7]

No way the Series X isn’t RDNA 2??! Wow how the turn tables......LOOOOOOOOL!

 

[EviLore]

give it to us, or we will riot.

Been there, done that.

Come on EviLore , we wanna know what your looking forward to the most from tomorrow night ps5 event.


And don't give me that crap that your need to remain impartial bla bla bla, i got ties with Mod of War and i will get your arse banned.

I'm looking forward to the new gen, but not hyped for anything in particular right now other than general tech advancement -- load times, ray tracing, etc. -- and Demon's Souls. Oh, if Bloodborne gets a significant BC improvement at some point that'll be big.

I'll be here trash talking live reacting on GAF to whatever they end up showing though.

 

[Evilms]

Xbox Series X/S Doesn’t Offer WiFi 6 or a USB-C Port Like the PlayStation 5 Does

Microsoft has released the full spec sheet for the Xbox Series X/S and it seems they've scrimped on some of the little things.

wccftech.com

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

AMD already said.

You seems to be stuck in the past.
It is time to move on.

I also << love seeing Radeon RDNA2 in action >> just like Lisa

But make no mistake here, the key to the "past" you are referring here, it lies in the future.
just like rdna3 & secret sauces stopping to be secret.
and the future is ahead, and I believe it will be very ...interesting

 

[Tonidayo]

in French FNAC stores ps5 preorders have started. Release date NOVEMBER

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

I really hope that that 15% extra power is going to show up in Digital foundry tests between the consoles, i am afraid for the sanity of my friends like TheGreatWhiteShark and @X-Fighter if the tests are basically equal or show like no upgrades

I might have to open a samaritans helpline for them that night.
Can you imagine the drama if the new cyberpunk has no differences at all, Sweet jesus?
Mind you, will it really affect our friendly shark he will probably be playing it on his ps5 anyways.

you go ahead and open that good samaritan's help line fishy.
you never know when you'll need it

 

[Darklor01]

in French FNAC stores ps5 preorders have started. Release date NOVEMBER

Well, there it is .gif!

 

[Evilms]

They are not even available that the confusion is already there.

without optical drive : 299.99
with optical drive : 499.99

 

[jasondefaoite]

In other completely unrelated news:

I've seen reports from some very reputable sources that claim 5g causes Covid along with Cancer and most other maladies, even illnesses discovered before 5g.

Do Wifi6 and 5g have much in common.

Much in common? Kind of. WiFi6 encodes data very similar to how 4G does it.

Those health concerns on 5G are due to the mmWave frequencies (30/60GHz) and their affect on the body. WiFi6 still uses 2.4/5GHz, with bands in 6GHz being opened too.

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

Vague AF. Bad quality how? Shitty sodder job? The variable clocks being extra variable? Heat issues? What is it don't make us guess

There is a very interesting thread on B3D about this.
I would quote some, but I get enough cursing as it is.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

Xbox Series X/S Doesn’t Offer WiFi 6 or a USB-C Port Like the PlayStation 5 Does

Microsoft has released the full spec sheet for the Xbox Series X/S and it seems they've scrimped on some of the little things.

wccftech.com

Too much money spent on the APU means no WIfi6, a last gen controller and no usb c port. Was the 1.8TF gap worth it?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Been there, done that.

I'm looking forward to the new gen, but not hyped for anything in particular right now other than general tech advancement -- load times, ray tracing, etc. -- and Demon's Souls. Oh, if Bloodborne gets a significant BC improvement at some point that'll be big.

I'll be here trash talking live reacting on GAF to whatever they end up showing though.

The cunt hath spoken

 

[DaGwaphics]

Much in common? Kind of. WiFi6 encodes data very similar to how 4G does it.

Those health concerns on 5G are due to the mmWave frequencies (30/60GHz) and their affect on the body. WiFi6 still uses 2.4/5GHz, with bands in 6GHz being opened too.

Your truth is just that, mine is different. Wifi6 is just as killer as 5g, and the PS5 is going to kill your children because of it. It's a deliberate plot to thin the population with PS5.

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

in French FNAC stores ps5 preorders have started. Release date NOVEMBER

Can you shake your phone just a little bit? Please.

 

[thurnishaleygw]

in French FNAC stores ps5 preorders have started. Release date NOVEMBER

The release is "predicted" on November. Doesn't confirm it.

 

[FunkMiller]

I'm looking forward to the new gen, but not hyped for anything in particular right now other than general tech advancement -- load times, ray tracing, etc. -- and Demon's Souls. Oh, if Bloodborne gets a significant BC improvement at some point that'll be big.

I'll be here trash talking live reacting on GAF to whatever they end up showing though.

Looking forward to invading you in 60fps EviLore

 

[geordiemp]

Vague AF. Bad quality how? Shitty sodder job? The variable clocks being extra variable? Heat issues? What is it don't make us guess

Yields do not slump unless there is a common fab problem with a tool or materials / wafers or precursor gases.

You dont make 30,000 wafers a week, have very strong statistics or normal distribution and know your yields, then it goes to hell without any reason for that change especially when the production already ramped up.

If the rumour is true, TSMC will advise markets in due course and it will affect the 7nm line at that fab, multiple customers including Microsoft.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

I really hope that that 15% extra power is going to show up in Digital foundry tests between the consoles, i am afraid for the sanity of my friends like TheGreatWhiteShark and @X-Fighter if the tests are basically equal or show like no upgrades

I might have to open a samaritans helpline for them that night.

Can you imagine the drama if the new cyberpunk has no differences at all, Sweet jesus?

Mind you, will it really affect our friendly shark he will probably be playing it on his ps5 anyways.

I just hope your PS5 will work, you know with all those manufacturing issues

 

[thurnishaleygw]

I just hope your PS5 will work, you know with all those manufacturing issues

 

[jimbojim]

So, regarding PS5 and XSX SOC

Check this. So, about XSX SOC :

[Bloomberg Japan] Sony cuts PS5 production by 4 million units after production yield issues [up: Sony denies the report] Rumor

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1943247.stm#:~:text=Nintendo%20has%20announced%20a%20price,199%20euros%20(%C2%A3129).

www.resetera.com

I don't understand all the concerns, 50% yield is not great but is not that bad neither. We don't have the dimension of the PS5 SOC, but since we have the dimensions of the XSX SOC, about 22x16.4mm we can easily estimate the yield. TSMC 7nm node as a defect density of 0.09/cm2, which gives 108 good dies out of 148, about 73%. Out of those 108 dies, not all of them will be able to reach the intended frequency target (that's the binning process), so the actual yield would be closer to 60%.

So yeah Sony may have lower yield, but their SOC is smaller. If the PS5 SOC is about 320mm2, 20x16mm, they can make 173 of them on a 300mm wafer. At 50% yield in the worst case scenario, that makes 87 SOC that pass the QC. XSX SOC at 60% yield would be 88 certified dies. So price per SOC should be very similar for both of them, at least in the beginning.

Ok just talked to a friend who knows about manufacturing. He had some positive and neagitive thoughts about it

- 50% yeilds are on lower side but not unheard of in high end chips. He estimates Xbox one chip had 65% yeilds in the beginning even with smaller and much more mature design.

- moving higher than 50% yeilds means that they are on the right path and have found a solution for it.

- yeilds are not linear. They are mostly curve where yeilds improve a lot more with passage of time. In a year they will most probably each industry standard .

- 50% yeilds doesn't mean half of the wafer is wasted. It just means that batch of wafer had this issue. Later batches can have much higher yields.

- lower yeilds are less dependent on clocks as these are the first things tested in intial run and more with complexity of the chips they are making.

- lastly if Sony has decreased the number of orders it means Sony is waiting for yeilds to improve hence facing smaller loss.

Hope this answers some of the questions here. I can ask him more of you guys want to know.

[Bloomberg Japan] Sony cuts PS5 production by 4 million units after production yield issues [up: Sony denies the report] Rumor

Well, like i said we will find out tomorrow and its possible Sony will eat up the costs. People dont realize this but while the PS4 launch at $399, we still had to pay an extra $60 a year just to play online. that was a new cost that was passed down to consumers. if we are expecting Sony to take...

www.resetera.com

From MS presentation :

So, worse production than Xbone. But Sony producing much more PS5 than PS4s in same timeframe

[Bloomberg Japan] Sony cuts PS5 production by 4 million units after production yield issues [up: Sony denies the report] Rumor

Well, like i said we will find out tomorrow and its possible Sony will eat up the costs. People dont realize this but while the PS4 launch at $399, we still had to pay an extra $60 a year just to play online. that was a new cost that was passed down to consumers. if we are expecting Sony to take...

www.resetera.com

So if XB1 at 28nm was 65% yield, and if 7nm is supposed to be lower yield (from microsoft presentation), it's easier to accept 50% being a reasonable figure.

Also, it all adds up to confirm what we heard about the difficulties at 7nm, the EUV delays made the situation less than ideal.

7nm Fab Challenges

7nm Fab Challenges FinFET formation, mask challenges and back-end-of-line issues will make this node difficult and expensive.

semiengineering.com

 

[SaucyJack]

Vague AF. Bad quality how? Shitty sodder job? The variable clocks being extra variable? Heat issues? What is it don't make us guess

 

[Vae_Victis]

Can you shake your phone just a little bit? Please.

Got you covered bro

Now it looks legit.

 

[BatSu]

 

[sircaw]

I just hope your PS5 will work, you know with all those manufacturing issues

I hope so too, with so many damn good games coming out, a broken console would be like having a console without any games.

Hope you enjoy the show.

 

[thurnishaleygw]

I hope so too, with so many damn good games coming out, a broken console would be like having a console without any games.

Hope you enjoy the show.

Damn, fishy, no chill on that reply.

 

[geordiemp]

So, regarding PS5 and XSX SOC

Check this. So, about XSX SOC :

[Bloomberg Japan] Sony cuts PS5 production by 4 million units after production yield issues [up: Sony denies the report] Rumor

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1943247.stm#:~:text=Nintendo%20has%20announced%20a%20price,199%20euros%20(%C2%A3129).

www.resetera.com

[Bloomberg Japan] Sony cuts PS5 production by 4 million units after production yield issues [up: Sony denies the report] Rumor

Well, like i said we will find out tomorrow and its possible Sony will eat up the costs. People dont realize this but while the PS4 launch at $399, we still had to pay an extra $60 a year just to play online. that was a new cost that was passed down to consumers. if we are expecting Sony to take...

www.resetera.com

From MS presentation :

So, worse production than Xbone. But Sony producing much more PS5 than PS4s in same timeframe

[Bloomberg Japan] Sony cuts PS5 production by 4 million units after production yield issues [up: Sony denies the report] Rumor

Well, like i said we will find out tomorrow and its possible Sony will eat up the costs. People dont realize this but while the PS4 launch at $399, we still had to pay an extra $60 a year just to play online. that was a new cost that was passed down to consumers. if we are expecting Sony to take...

www.resetera.com

I dont believe the frequency target will give a big defect, as all chips will reach it, just some will need more cooling than others and it depends how efficient Ps5 cooling tech is to where its in the design bandwidth. I doubt sony designed ps5 cooling that needs to bin decent chips.

 

[HawarMiran]

it is so funny that a small apple watch can cost 399. No wonder they shit money. We have it good even if the consoles cost 499

 

[sircaw]

Damn, fishy, no chill on that reply.

He's ok, he can take it, we have had our scuffles in the past, we are on relative good terms.

 

[FranXico]

This kind of misinformation is as ridiculous as when people tried to do it with the PS5.

 

[sircaw]

This kind of misinformation is as ridiculous as when people tried to do it with the PS5.

Sony had months of it, xbox has it for one night, their fans lose their minds

 

[FranXico]

FNAC? Time to pre-order.

 

[Ramz87]

PS5 disc version £450, Silent Hill reveal, GOW 2 teaser and Harry Potter RPG reveal.