JimboJones
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I guess that's why the WiiU done so well lol
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No native ports in Super Mario 3D All Stars
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Deleted member 17706
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I've got no issues with this as long as the performance is stable and there aren't major graphical glitches.
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Fbh
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Sadly different audiences and different tiers of popularity for these products.
If Activision knew they could just repackage the original THPS 1 and 2 or the original spyro trilogy and have millions of people racing to buy them for $60 they totally would have.
But they don't have an army of these guys:
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PhoenixTank
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Sony? You surely mean Activision for Crash? I don't remember if Sony commissioned the Medievil remake, but they did publish it at least.
iconmaster
Banned
Which would you rather have?
- A native port of Super Mario Sunshine
- An emulated version of literally anything else
Klayzer
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Im sure Sony commissioned the Medevil remake, its their IP afterall.
Lionel Richie
Member
That's not entirely true, Sony fans are passionate about Sony games just as much as Nintendo fans are. Sometimes I feel like people expect fans to have a REVELATION of sorts and then collectively turn their backs on them. It doesn't happen like that, people are free to individually make up their minds about something. Maybe a Nintendo fan can feel like this isn't worth 60 bucks and don't buy it. I don't get people like you who take this kind of news as an AHA! moment and use it to imply fans are mindless drones. We're not this single HORDE entity, we're people who like games. Posting in a videogame board, no less!
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
PSA: do NOT play Super Mario 64 👁
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Kataploom
Gold Member
Well, I think odd that people didn't realize that it was the reason why the games stayed at their original framerate.
But, what makes some people here think that doing an emulator (well, three, in this case) costs less effort than porting a game?
Also this is called "Super Mario 3D All-stars", they probably found out that they'd be better offering the games with their classic look to appeal nostalgia more than remaking them, not only cheaper but more recognizable somehow effective.
No multibillion company is "lazy", they just manage numbers we don't, and I say this as someone who see basically no value on buying it:
1. SM64 I played to hell and back already.
2. SMS I hated it being 30 fps, also feels very rough and rushed.
3. SMG I already played and was waiting to play Galaxy 2 but it's not coming bundled.
So, well, I'll just skip it instead of calling them "anti-consumers" over all internet for doing normal business that damages no one.
But, what makes some people here think that doing an emulator (well, three, in this case) costs less effort than porting a game?
Also this is called "Super Mario 3D All-stars", they probably found out that they'd be better offering the games with their classic look to appeal nostalgia more than remaking them, not only cheaper but more recognizable somehow effective.
No multibillion company is "lazy", they just manage numbers we don't, and I say this as someone who see basically no value on buying it:
1. SM64 I played to hell and back already.
2. SMS I hated it being 30 fps, also feels very rough and rushed.
3. SMG I already played and was waiting to play Galaxy 2 but it's not coming bundled.
So, well, I'll just skip it instead of calling them "anti-consumers" over all internet for doing normal business that damages no one.
Wunray
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:/ Like yeah Mario 64 is the GOAT but that fool needs to put respect on Spyro and Crash's names, they can hold their own quite well.
Barakov
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I've never seen so many punchable faces in one jpeg.Sadly different audiences and different tier of popularity for these product.
If Activision knew they could just repackage the original THPS 1 and 2 or the original spyro trilogy and have millions of people racing to buy them for $60 they totally would have.
But they don't have an army of these guys:
Confirmed that the mental gymnastics of Nintendo Apologists was all for naught about the lack of analog triggers on the Switch and Nintendo's multibutton solution.
The FLUDD in Mario Sunshine is now just on full blast or not at all.
I hope Nintendo stops drinking glue next gen and puts analog triggers on at least SOME controller FFS... this is 2020 afterall.
The FLUDD in Mario Sunshine is now just on full blast or not at all.
I hope Nintendo stops drinking glue next gen and puts analog triggers on at least SOME controller FFS... this is 2020 afterall.
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iconmaster
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You're the one getting this worked up over entertainment products here.
Newly Vacant
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I didn't think about that. Is that true?
PhoenixTank
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Ahh yes Sony Computer Entertainment Cambridge. Forgot about SCE/SCEI being used back in the day.
SlimeGooGoo
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Klayzer
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Come on man. Mario is one of the most profitable franchises in the world. You telling me Nintendo won't give up the money to put a new coat of HD paint for its most widely known IP. Sorry, Im not just going to look the other way or make excuses anymore.
Our fanbase has to be more critical of Nintendo for things to change. I just don't see how anyone can defend the decisions with this port. No Galaxy 2 included, limited digital availability, zero effort put into the collection itself does not equal a premium retail price. Yes, they can charge whatever they want, but that doesn't mean we can't give our feedback publicly.
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Neil Young
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What I'm curious about is how are Nintendo's most supportive fans ok with this continued level of pure laziness and lack of effort? All the while, they are charging a premium price for the honor of, for many people, re buying the exact same product from 20 years ago in this All Star collection.
Sony COULD be dicks and never put their first party games on sale. Easily. But, they have great sales constantly. When I bought the ps4, Sony was offering Ratchet and Clank AND Bloodbourne as their free games of the month. Bloodbourne is one of my favorite games of all time and I got it for free. I bought the Last of Us remake for like 5 bucks, God of War and Spider-Man for under 20. MS is bending over backwards to keep the fans they have so they keep coming up with ways to make them happy since their first party stinks at the moment. Gamepass could be the best value in gaming. Nintendo? Uhhh, you can buy Mario Kart for 50 bucks.
Nintendo is content to shit on their fans. Really, are you ok with the online (voicechat, friends lists, no achievements etc), lack of apps, ancient E Shop, paying for cloud saves, lack of releases, jacked up controllers? Great, they are making money but do I really still need to spend 40 to 50 bucks for Splatoon 2 and Octopath Traveller because they CAN sell the games for that much? Does it take 6 years to make Mario Kart?
Barakov
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Lionel Richie
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The explanation might not please you, but for me the answer you seek is simple: Nintendo makes the best games in the industry by far. All the rest is secondary and overblown nonsense that non fans try to hammer in the heads Nintenchads with 0 success. Since I answered your question, let me ask you a question: if you don't think the value proposition Nintendo offers is any good, why do they bother you? Wouldn't it be easier to just ignore them? You said it yourself, you can play god knows how many games on the Playstation, so Nintendo isn't doing any harm to the market. Why so salty then?
stranno
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I know it has been leaked and everybody knew it was gonna be fully or partially emulated since 2 years ago, that Galaxy was released on Shield TV.
But if you don't have anything to tell, just wait a few more hours/days. I guess MVG is waiting for the official release to show the findings, but just wait. You expect a little more from him or DF, not the average crap from regular Youtubers.
stranno
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TBF this is a port. Before the 15 years of Final Fantasy VII Remake development, Square Enix released THREE crappy ports of the original untouched game. Every one of them worse than the original Playstation title.
Klayzer
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Excellent post. When will it be enough for Nintendo fans only. Xbox and Playstation fans would look at that price and effort with a sure Jan GIF, while laughing their asses off. Nintendo is not entitled to your money.
iconmaster
Banned
Wait, the Switch doesn't have apps? Why wasn't I informed of this?
Redlancet
Banned
sony remaked shadow of the colossus and thats a lot of work and the price was 40 euros
Knitted Knight
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hariseldon
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Man I really need to see the laptop that can run Dolphin while being small enough to use as a handheld and not burning you to a crisp.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Game is a limited release, it's only going to be available at retail and digitally on the eShop until March of next year.
So I suspect these physical copies will go up in value pretty significantly over the next three years.
iconmaster
Banned
There's nothing magical about a native rewrite that prevents bugs. If anything, it's more likely to produce them.
A lot of people seem to have the idea that "emulation equals bad."
The problem to be solved here is there's a lot of code that Nintendo wants to get running on the Switch, but wasn't written to run on it. It can either:
- Rewrite the code, or
- Write an emulator which allows the Switch to reproduce the necessary functions of the hardware for which the code was written.
Neither solution is right or wrong. They both offer tradeoffs in performance, quality assurance, accuracy of reproduction, and so on. You'd need a developer experienced in the relevant languages and hardware to look at the code base and make an educated decision about which approach makes the most sense.
I doubt whether anyone on GAF is in a position to make that assessment.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
I could but i really don’t want to.
It’s like explaining tech to toddlers
iconmaster
Banned
Please, chime in. I'm open to being educated.
Klayzer
Member
Perfect example why Nintendo can do whatever they want to its fans with little or no repercussions. Because he holds their games in an almost diety like standard, all criticism aimed at them is just overblown nonsense. In the real world, things you like and enjoy, are the stuff your the most critical of.
MagnesG
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Lol Sony could try. See if people care that much about their old games for $60. It's like dealing with out of seasons factory produced garments.
Synless
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The thing is, Sony and Microsoft have never tried this strategy. I’d bet they would be just as successful. Sony in particular makes fantastic games. Bottom line is they care enough to make improvements in their remakes and remasters. Nintendo doesn’t, they rest on their laurels.
RoadHazard
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Klayzer
Member
Not only that, Sony and Microsoft have to compete for their customers dollars with very popular 3rd party games.
I am thinking the same thing... you think their mom knows they are on facebook ?
Smiles and Cries
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nothing wrong with this but they could have done this year one
Klayzer
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Legendary post of the day. Bravo