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[cryptoadam]

I would prefer they took that shirt and dress off. Some Tig ol Bitties on the blonde and the small brunette.

 

[MisterFalcon]

Is this the Herd Mentality that will make the virus go away ?

 

[sinnergy]

Is this the Herd Mentality that will make the virus go away ?

Yes, just move in herds. They do move in herds !!!

 

[HellforLeather]

CA seeing its lowest positivity rate since it started reporting in March.

Like, I get there is conflicting evidence on the effectiveness of masks being used by the general population and that there is a discussion to be had there, especially when it comes to something like government mandates regarding them...

....But these people are fucking morons. Just like the simpletons comparing George Floyd "I cant breathe" and the "Child molesters love 'em!" old bitch from that news report out of Utah.

I generally get the feeling that people like this are only complaining because they live extremely comfortable lives and are just appalled at the idea that anything would ever be asked of them. I'm sure their social media was instantly updated afterwards claiming that they just "liberated" a fucking Target.

 

[sinnergy]

UK Media: "Nobody can get tested because of a test shortage"

Also UK Media: "There is a spike in people testing positive"

This isn't adding up.

Not that weird , for example. I took 100 but you can imagine 10k, 50k etc

1. if you test 100 in a region and have 100 positives , in a region virus circulates to fast .

2. if you test 100 in a region and you have 1 positive it’s circulating slow.

What you want is to find less positives even if you test more . But this has been known for almost 6 months now .

If cases rise with testing it’s time to be careful otherwise there needs to be implemented new measures to slow the spread.

And if a test system can’t handle it you have to be extra careful because it seems that people have symptoms or reason to go for a test , so there could be even more undetected positives, which could lead to overloading health care if groups that are risks are also involved .

Simple patterns really .

 

[DeepBreath87]

CA seeing its lowest positivity rate since it started reporting in March.


Like, I get there is conflicting evidence on the effectiveness of masks being used by the general population and that there is a discussion to be had there, especially when it comes to something like government mandates regarding them...

....But these people are fucking morons. Just like the simpletons comparing George Floyd "I cant breathe" and the "Child molesters love 'em!" old bitch from that news report out of Utah.

I generally get the feeling that people like this are only complaining because they live extremely comfortable lives and are just appalled at the idea that anything would ever be asked of them. I'm sure their social media was instantly updated afterwards claiming that they just "liberated" a fucking Target.

Yeah. These people are dumb. They are the mirror image of the pro mask Karen harassers.

 

[Prison Mike]

I would prefer they took that shirt and dress off. Some Tig ol Bitties on the blonde and the small brunette.

Good eyes sir

 

[diffusionx]

I generally get the feeling that people like this are only complaining because they live extremely comfortable lives and are just appalled at the idea that anything would ever be asked of them.

No, they're complaining because they've been fed utter bullshit for months and are being told this malarkey story about a nothing burger virus.

That's the issue. Most people voluntarily accepted the initial lockdowns and restrictions. But as this has gone on for far longer than "15 days to stop the spread", with no end in sight, even as the virus has proven to be not nearly as dangerous as first hyped, increasingly bizarre and conflicting statements from the people in charge, pseudoscience morality plays masquerading as public health policy ("it's about respect", etc.), and so forth, they're fed up.

 

[frostyxc]

Wait, they didn't trash the store and shriek out their mental illness demons? Do these people even know how to protest?

 

[hyperbertha]

Hows that Aeronabs inhaler coming along?

 

[prag16]

New measures for the big cities in The Netherlands, good job citizens for not obeying the rules !

Now they can complain even more about the measures

The virus spreads from human to human , pretty simple concept . Obey the simple rules, the faster you can return to somewhat normal .

To bad we have to treat even adults as small children

And force restrictions

More like chicken or the egg problem. Treat people like children encourages more of the 'bad behavior', not less, because people resent this type of treatment when nobody can effectively demonstrate that it's fully based in science. People don't like mandates. If you want to encourage a behavior, the burden of proof is on you to convince people to do it on their own, otherwise they'll resent you and trust you less (with mandates). Why do you think the number of antivaxxers has been growing? Mandates, treating people like children, talking down to people, etc. Same dynamic on display here.

Good.

Like, I get there is conflicting evidence on the effectiveness of masks being used by the general population and that there is a discussion to be had there, especially when it comes to something like government mandates regarding them...

....But these people are fucking morons.

Why? They don't like being talked down at, being preached too, especially when you say yourself that the evidence is potentially dicey for effectiveness (and even safety, you never see that addressed AT ALL, it's just assumed). How are they morons? What they're doing isn't going to spread the virus realistically. They're calling out the tyrants and sheep on their bullshit. Good.

Yeah. These people are dumb. They are the mirror image of the pro mask Karen harassers.

Really surprised at this sentiment, coming from you. These people have been gaslighted for months and are sick of this shit. We need more people doing this, not less. If enough people said "fuck you I won't do what you tell me" this ill gotten government power would start to crumble.

No, they're complaining because they've been fed utter bullshit for months and are being told this malarkey story about a nothing burger virus.

That's the issue. Most people voluntarily accepted the initial lockdowns and restrictions. But as this has gone on for far longer than "15 days to stop the spread", with no end in sight, even as the virus has proven to be not nearly as dangerous as first hyped, increasingly bizarre and conflicting statements from the people in charge, pseudoscience morality plays masquerading as public health policy ("it's about respect", etc.), and so forth, they're fed up.

THIS.

 

[HellforLeather]

No, they're complaining because they've been fed utter bullshit for months and are being told this malarkey story about a nothing burger virus.

That's the issue. Most people voluntarily accepted the initial lockdowns and restrictions. But as this has gone on for far longer than "15 days to stop the spread", with no end in sight, even as the virus has proven to be not nearly as dangerous as first hyped, increasingly bizarre and conflicting statements from the people in charge, pseudoscience morality plays masquerading as public health policy ("it's about respect", etc.), and so forth, they're fed up.

Are we talking about people in general? or these people specifically? I think a lot of times things like this end up becoming contentious issues here because a group is being conflated with a larger movement/discussion/whathaveyou.

There is a real discussion to be had about small business closures, the economy, the effects of shutdowns, the healthcare system, the supply chain of the American economy, pandemic models and at what point should we act on them, what constitutes a viable study and whether this information should be disseminated to the population, whether politics has affected the integrity of the CDC,etc etc etc.

Do I think thats what these people are concerned about by running through a Target yelling at people to remove their masks and recording the whole thing for the 'Gram? Sure dont.

There is definitely a right wing version of the performative woke left and I think that what we are seeing here.

 

[DeepBreath87]

More like chicken or the egg problem. Treat people like children encourages more of the 'bad behavior', not less, because people resent this type of treatment when nobody can effectively demonstrate that it's fully based in science. People don't like mandates. If you want to encourage a behavior, the burden of proof is on you to convince people to do it on their own, otherwise they'll resent you and trust you less (with mandates). Why do you think the number of antivaxxers has been growing? Mandates, treating people like children, talking down to people, etc. Same dynamic on display here.



Good.



Why? They don't like being talked down at, being preached too, especially when you say yourself that the evidence is potentially dicey for effectiveness (and even safety, you never see that addressed AT ALL, it's just assumed). How are they morons? What they're doing isn't going to spread the virus realistically. They're calling out the tyrants and sheep on their bullshit. Good.



Really surprised at this sentiment, coming from you. These people have been gaslighted for months and are sick of this shit. We need more people doing this, not less. If enough people said "fuck you I won't do what you tell me" this ill gotten government power would start to crumble.



THIS.

See I’m generally of the opinion people should do what they’re going to do and stop fussing about other people. I don’t give a shit if someone wants to wear a mask. Just leave me alone about what I’m doing. That has always been the American bargain. Just mind our own business and me wearing or not wearing a mask is nobody’s business.

These people are very much like the Karens to me, but in the opposite direction. I couldn’t care less about what other people do with regards to masks. This comes across as just being jerks to people who are trying to shop at a store. Just live and let live.

 

[prag16]

See I’m generally of the opinion people should do what they’re going to do and stop fussing about other people. I don’t give a shit if someone wants to wear a mask. Just leave me alone about what I’m doing. That has always been the American bargain. Just mind our own business and me wearing or not wearing a mask is nobody’s business.

These people are very much like the Karens to me, but in the opposite direction. I couldn’t care less about what other people do with regards to masks. This comes across as just being jerks to people who are trying to shop at a store. Just live and let live.

But people who don't want to wear masks AREN'T being left alone with what they're doing. My state just put into place fines ranging from $100 to $500 for mask related infractions. If they were being left alone, they wouldn't be marching through a Target chirping at sheep. And obviously some percentage of people shopping with masks on don't want to be wearing masks and are mainly doing so to avoid confrontations. If that segment of people see enough other people resisting they will grow the balls to stand up to the bullshit themselves.

Running around a Target yelling at customers wouldn't be my strategy personally. I do push the envelope with businesses though and have gotten into arguments with employees and owners of businesses numerous times. But I can understand people ARE yelling at customers because without 99%+ compliance from the sheep customers, these draconian mandates would crumble. In a sense, those customers AREN'T just going about their business; their silent compliance is tacit approval, which in turn oppresses us all.

 

[DeepBreath87]

But people who don't want to wear masks AREN'T being left alone with what they're doing. My state just put into place fines ranging from $100 to $500 for mask related infractions. If they were being left alone, they wouldn't be marching through a Target chirping at sheep. And obviously some percentage of people shopping with masks on don't want to be wearing masks and are mainly doing so to avoid confrontations. If that segment of people see enough other people resisting they will grow the balls to stand up to the bullshit themselves.

Running around a Target yelling at customers wouldn't be my strategy personally. I do push the envelope with businesses though and have gotten into arguments with employees and owners of businesses numerous times. But I can understand people ARE yelling at customers because without 99%+ compliance from the sheep customers, these draconian mandates would crumble. In a sense, those customers AREN'T just going about their business; their silent compliance is tacit approval, which in turn oppresses us all.

My state has a mandate and wear I live no one gives a damn. Compliance will range from 40% to 90% pretty randomly. I haven’t seen anyone get into arguments and I haven’t caught any shit when I don’t wear my. I’ve heard a few stories but it seems rare. Most people and employees don’t care.

 

[iconmaster]

Now that's a peaceful protest.

 

[sinnergy]

More like chicken or the egg problem. Treat people like children encourages more of the 'bad behavior', not less, because people resent this type of treatment when nobody can effectively demonstrate that it's fully based in science. People don't like mandates. If you want to encourage a behavior, the burden of proof is on you to convince people to do it on their own, otherwise they'll resent you and trust you less (with mandates). Why do you think the number of antivaxxers has been growing? Mandates, treating people like children, talking down to people, etc. Same dynamic on display here.



Good.



Why? They don't like being talked down at, being preached too, especially when you say yourself that the evidence is potentially dicey for effectiveness (and even safety, you never see that addressed AT ALL, it's just assumed). How are they morons? What they're doing isn't going to spread the virus realistically. They're calling out the tyrants and sheep on their bullshit. Good.



Really surprised at this sentiment, coming from you. These people have been gaslighted for months and are sick of this shit. We need more people doing this, not less. If enough people said "fuck you I won't do what you tell me" this ill gotten government power would start to crumble.



THIS.

We the Netherlands did convince people to take these rules at heart that was literally the first 4 months of pres conferences , with scientific underpinned messaging , it seems to help jack squat every week we had the head of the CDC going through stats and other scientific research , it took a couple of hours . And we didn’t even have a that strict lock down , we didn’t need to wear masks at most places for example they where treated as adults so that we did this together to protect the elderly.

Just shows you need to treat them as babies ... sad times we live in that you can’t look out for each other wtf .
Instead most do what they want, party, ignore 1,5 meter, shop with the whole family , and go on vacation, just this evening we have positives on my sons school in a fucking rural part of the country .

And enforce it , big fines of 2000 euros to start with .

We had a war veteran whom wrote a letter to a big paper that he understood that it was hard and that he lost his youth for the Second World War , but that you can still do stuff unlike back in those times and that we need to hold on .. it’s depressing to see that there are people that think you get freedom without any sacrifices..

And act like spoiled brats ..

(Luckily there are also enough that see this pandemic is no hoax) otherwise it would be a even bigger shit show .

 

[prag16]

My state has a mandate and wear I live no one gives a damn. Compliance will range from 40% to 90% pretty randomly. I haven’t seen anyone get into arguments and I haven’t caught any shit when I don’t wear my. I’ve heard a few stories but it seems rare. Most people and employees don’t care.

In my state compliance is around 99% now (at least inside stores; it's somewhat lower elsewhere). It was maybe closer to 90-95% back in May or so and at that point usually nobody would say anything to me. But now someone says something. Every. Single. Time. It's broken me, to an extent, because sometimes now for convenience I just put one on (albeit generally under my nose) because I don't have the energy for conflict and confrontation every single time I visit a business. Our governor was probably happy with the in-store compliance, but he claims he's been getting tons of complaints from local mayors/selectmen that the mandate has "no teeth" with a lot of people outdoors (parks/beaches/etc) not worrying much about 6 feet of distance. Hence the fines put into place. Theoretically, I can meet another family at a park and consensually be within 6 feet of them with the kids, bothering nobody else, and a bystander could report us have have us all fined $100. This is absurd, and justifies doing a lot more than heckling some mask sheep at a Target imo.

 

[Joe T.]

There is definitely a right wing version of the performative woke left and I think that what we are seeing here.

Better hope that if this virus was modified in a lab - and the facts alone make that extremely likely (re: gain of function research, see below) - there is no incriminating evidence that it was done so with the intention of releasing it because the push back on that would be something to behold. The people/parties involved in funding that research appear to have gone to great lengths to squash discussion around it and that alone raises suspicions. Quoted from The Scientist, November 16, 2015:

Ralph Baric, an infectious-disease researcher at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, last week (November 9) published a study on his team’s efforts to engineer a virus with the surface protein of the SHC014 coronavirus, found in horseshoe bats in China, and the backbone of one that causes human-like severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in mice. The hybrid virus could infect human airway cells and caused disease in mice, according to the team’s results, which were published in Nature Medicine.

The results demonstrate the ability of the SHC014 surface protein to bind and infect human cells, validating concerns that this virus—or other coronaviruses found in bat species—may be capable of making the leap to people without first evolving in an intermediate host, Nature reported. They also reignite a debate about whether that information justifies the risk of such work, known as gain-of-function research. “If the [new] virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory,” Simon Wain-Hobson, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, told Nature.

Emboldened that line because it's sometimes a point of contention in arguments around the origin of the virus despite being right under everyone's nose - no pun intended. The US government halted funding for that research, but the NIH continued with it anyway. When asked to comment this year:

Dr. Fauci did not respond to Newsweek’s requests for comment. NIH responded with a statement that said in part: “Most emerging human viruses come from wildlife, and these represent a significant threat to public health and biosecurity in the US and globally, as demonstrated by the SARS epidemic of 2002-03, and the current COVID-19 pandemic…. scientific research indicates that there is no evidence that suggests the virus was created in a laboratory.”

What do you think would happen if the mainstream news simply put a spotlight on this story today? Keep in mind Fauci's supposedly receiving death threats already and public trust has been eroding quickly.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

masks are stupid

 

[Chaplain]

Link to the official government info on it from the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services:

Trump Administration Releases COVID-19 Vaccine Distribution Strategy

The documents, developed by HHS in coordination with DoD and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), provide a strategic distribution overview along with an interim playbook for state, tribal, territorial, and local public health programs and their partners on how to plan and operationalize a vaccination response to COVID-19 within their respective jurisdictions. “As part of Operation Warp Speed, we have been laying the groundwork for months to distribute and administer a safe and effective COVID-19 vaccine as soon as it meets FDA’s gold standard,” said HHS Secretary Alex Azar. “This in-depth, round-the-clock planning work with our state and local partners and trusted community organizations, especially through CDC, will ensure that Americans can receive a safe and effective vaccine in record time.” (September 16, 2020)

 

[cryptoadam]

Better hope that if this virus was modified in a lab - and the facts alone make that extremely likely (re: gain of function research, see below) - there is no incriminating evidence that it was done so with the intention of releasing it because the push back on that would be something to behold. The people/parties involved in funding that research appear to have gone to great lengths to squash discussion around it and that alone raises suspicions. Quoted from The Scientist, November 16, 2015:



Emboldened that line because it's sometimes a point of contention in arguments around the origin of the virus despite being right under everyone's nose - no pun intended. The US government halted funding for that research, but the NIH continued with it anyway. When asked to comment this year:



What do you think would happen if the mainstream news simply put a spotlight on this story today? Keep in mind Fauci's supposedly receiving death threats already and public trust has been eroding quickly.

Did you see the presentation I posted a page back? It outlines Fauci/Barics association and the work being done on the chimeric virus.

Even if this wasn't what happened, the shit they were doing was very very dangerous and Fauci was a weasel for not stopping it and keeping the funding going even though everyone agreed to end this stuff.

The coincidence are just striking. Virology lab right where the outbreak happened, and that lab was working on GOF for Coronaviruses by adding Spike proteins to bind to ACE 2 receptors.

But until a picture of a vile saying COVID-19 shows up it will always be brushed off as a right wing conspiracy theory.

 

[Breakage]

UK government did nothing to discourage the mass gatherings at the BLM protests, paid for the British public to go out and eat, and now we have the “rule of six”, case numbers going up, curfews, and talk of of second national lockdown.

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

Heh. Bill Gates is still pushing his vaccine. Hope Trump beats him to the punch. I'm taking it but not Bill's.

 

[diffusionx]

Finally, people with authority to make these decisions are starting to get it.

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

“The pandemic, we realized, is going to be endemic: an ongoing threat to manage, not a brief blip in history, cleanly wiped out by a miracle vaccine. The science will take time. But the world cannot,” Aoun explains after consulting with various epidemiologists, biologists, and scientists from the Northeastern faculty.

 

[WoJ]

Finally, people with authority to make these decisions are starting to get it.

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Still pushing the "new normal" narrative though. The idea that this virus warrants a "new normal" at all let alone 4 or 5 years should be rejected in its entirety.

I also wonder how much all of this is monetarily driven. How much is this University's enrollment down because of COVID? What concessions have they had to make on their costs if they've kept students off campus? Between a few friends and I who have discussed COVID, we have wondered how long the narrative of "new normal" and shutdowns/lockdowns/masks forever can hold up when major industries are collapsing.

Take sports. The NBA and NFL make 40% of their revenue from the in stadium experience. How long are they going to be willing to "play nice" with the narrative that COVID is the black plague? Other entertainment experiences can't bring in nearly as much as money as they have historically with masks and social distancing guidelines. Mask mandates alone signal to the masses that it's too dangerous to gather, and gathering in large groups with everyone in masks just defeats the purpose and makes a shitty experience (in my opinion).

The fact that this virus is so dangerous to the sick and old, and a nothing burger to everyone else leads me to believe that money will win out and drive us back to normalcy eventually. Rich people don't like to not make money, especially when they are used to making gobs of money and now told they have to make half of what they used to.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Heh. Bill Gates is still pushing his vaccine. Hope Trump beats him to the punch. I'm taking it but not Bill's.

Vaccines make no sense if so many people are already infected.

 

[diffusionx]

Still pushing the "new normal" narrative though. The idea that this virus warrants a "new normal" at all let alone 4 or 5 years should be rejected in its entirety.

I also wonder how much all of this is monetarily driven. How much is this University's enrollment down because of COVID? What concessions have they had to make on their costs if they've kept students off campus? Between a few friends and I who have discussed COVID, we have wondered how long the narrative of "new normal" and shutdowns/lockdowns/masks forever can hold up when major industries are collapsing.

Take sports. The NBA and NFL make 40% of their revenue from the in stadium experience. How long are they going to be willing to "play nice" with the narrative that COVID is the black plague? Other entertainment experiences can't bring in nearly as much as money as they have historically with masks and social distancing guidelines. Mask mandates alone signal to the masses that it's too dangerous to gather, and gathering in large groups with everyone in masks just defeats the purpose and makes a shitty experience (in my opinion).

The fact that this virus is so dangerous to the sick and old, and a nothing burger to everyone else leads me to believe that money will win out and drive us back to normalcy eventually. Rich people don't like to not make money, especially when they are used to making gobs of money and now told they have to make half of what they used to.

There's no way the leagues are going to play nice with Emperor Fauci for another year. NBA isn't playing at Disney World for a full season, NCAA isn't canceling the basketball tournament 2 years in a row. It's just not happening. They're losing a ton of money.

There is truth to what you say - everyone was fine with economic collapse when it was just small businesses and Bezos can pick up the pieces, but once it hits prime players, it's a problem (this is true even from a labor POV - I read JP Morgan is calling people back to the office when their internal studies showed WFH is not as productive). That's the world we live in though.

My point wasn't so much about "new normal" - I *strenously* object to that framing, as you do - but more that we just have to figure out how to coexist with this virus going forward. Luckily, and I've been saying this for months ,this virus seems to be one with which this is very possible.

 

[diffusionx]

And just to be clear, this is what I mean about "living with coronavirus":

Sweden records lowest number of covid cases since March with just 108

The Scandinavian country, which was initially criticised for not implementing a lockdown, is now seeing significantly fewer cases than other European hotspots.

www.dailymail.co.uk

No masks, no lockdowns, no closed schools, no destroyed economies

 

[WoJ]

There's no way the leagues are going to play nice with Emperor Fauci for another year. NBA isn't playing at Disney World for a full season, NCAA isn't canceling the basketball tournament 2 years in a row. It's just not happening. They're losing a ton of money.

There is truth to what you say - everyone was fine with economic collapse when it was just small businesses and Bezos can pick up the pieces, but once it hits prime players, it's a problem (this is true even from a labor POV - I read JP Morgan is calling people back to the office when their internal studies showed WFH is not as productive). That's the world we live in though.

My point wasn't so much about "new normal" - I *strenously* object to that framing, as you do - but more that we just have to figure out how to coexist with this virus going forward. Luckily, and I've been saying this for months ,this virus seems to be one with which this is very possible.

Oh I 100% agree with you. I wasn't disputing what the article was saying as much as calling out that the article referenced is in some ways trying to have its cake and eat it too by saying "we have to live with the virus, but it's SOOOOOOOOO bad we have to do it in the confines of this new normal! It's still really scary!!"

It's still a positive that people are starting to realize this isn't a way to live, especially over a virus like this.

 

[cryptoadam]

I think we will have to accept some sort of "new normal" just like after HIV there was a new normal in regards to protection free casual sex.

I will still social distance with people I don't know and do the hand washing stuff.

But the only people that can spread the virus are those that are infected, at some point we will be able to tell who is infectious without having to pretend everyone has it and is one cough away from killing you.

 

[12Goblins]

I think we will have to accept some sort of "new normal" just like after HIV there was a new normal in regards to protection free casual sex.

I will still social distance with people I don't know and do the hand washing stuff.

But the only people that can spread the virus are those that are infected, at some point we will be able to tell who is infectious without having to pretend everyone has it and is one cough away from killing you.

if people have learned to be more mindful of their germ spreading after all this, we can all benefit

 

[ManaByte]

 

[ManaByte]

 

[Joe T.]

My conspiracy senses are tingling with that bar and restaurant story. Did politicians and media get handed a template like the one circulated worldwide over social media for "Defund the Police"?

Local news outlets and the premier have seemed desperate to pin something to bars/restaurants all summer long and finally did so last week with a karaoke bar. The national news on both sides of the border has been doing the same, repeatedly running stories about how bars were packed with people ignoring the rules. NBC was asking whether US bars and restaurants should be reopened at all, Quebec's using a new color coded map that's intentionally vague (no criteria for each) and being used to push us back into another lock down.

Dr. Horacio Arruda, Quebec’s director of public health, said, “It’s certain some areas will be in the orange soon.” When that does happen, new restrictions may include limits on the size of public gatherings and the suspension of indoor service for restaurants and bars — news that’s likely to send shockwaves across the Montreal as outdoor terraces already begin to retire for the season. -Eater Montreal

What's going on here? Montreal's still in double digit territory for daily cases. The 30,000 foot view makes this look like a choreographed dance.

Also interesting is how little attention is being given to India. They shattered the US peak of cases in a 24 hour period and in a couple of weeks they'll likely have the highest total, too. Most of the doomsayers online seem to have it out for the US or liberty in general and aren't really interested in the virus itself.

 

[carlosrox]

Just checking to make sure the world hasn't ended yet.

 

[IbelieveInGenerations]

No, they're complaining because they've been fed utter bullshit for months and are being told this malarkey story about a nothing burger virus.

That's the issue. Most people voluntarily accepted the initial lockdowns and restrictions. But as this has gone on for far longer than "15 days to stop the spread", with no end in sight, even as the virus has proven to be not nearly as dangerous as first hyped, increasingly bizarre and conflicting statements from the people in charge, pseudoscience morality plays masquerading as public health policy ("it's about respect", etc.), and so forth, they're fed up.

This is precisely what happened in Brazil.

At the very beginning, everyone respected the "New rules" and followed the "stay home" campaingn. I am a witness of this, streets were empty, people did obey initially, no matter How much the vírus supporters (usually radical lefitists) try to Tell You otherwise.

We had a terrible minister who were in a endless talk about "science" and How much important It was to keep ourselves at home until we reached a Peak contagious rate. The imbecile was always making a prediction that we would reach the Peak next week, but then the next week came and the Peak didnt come. In the end, what was a matter of weeks and few days became a matter months. "The next month will be crucial and we Will reach the peak, everyone stay home and then latter we Will slowly get back to normal life".

A fucking lie! At this stage, people realized that they were all not being compromised at containning the virus as much as they were compromised at stealing our freedoms and make familys Business go bankrupt all around the country and promote massive Lost Jobs. It became more and more clear that the peak talk was an intended endless cycle for some other obscure intentions. The big corrupted media didnt help either. They propagated fear and accused the president of promoting crowding, but at the Very moment there were an anti-govermment protest by Brazilian "antifas", suddenly there was no talk about the danger of crowding for soreading the vírus, It was like the vírus didnt exist exactly like It happened there during BLM protests with thousands and thousands of people on the streets giving zero fucks about the "social distancing" utopia.

 

[WoJ]

I think we will have to accept some sort of "new normal" just like after HIV there was a new normal in regards to protection free casual sex.

I will still social distance with people I don't know and do the hand washing stuff.

But the only people that can spread the virus are those that are infected, at some point we will be able to tell who is infectious without having to pretend everyone has it and is one cough away from killing you.

Any change that involves permanent mask usage or avoiding any and all social interaction should be flatly rejected. And let's be real, that's what the "new normal" narrative is about.

Not being an asshat and avoiding coughing on people and covering one's mouth when they sneeze is fine, we probably can do better in general as a society about not spreading germs. But the notion we should upend of our social norms for this is looney tunes.

 

[diffusionx]

it is tough not to get conspiratorial when you see evidence of a conspiracy right in front of your face.

The media and government has been demonizing bars and restaurants for months now. They got the blame for the rise of cases in FL/CA/TX when the reality is that those rises are because of protests. And even then, to the best of my knowledge, Texas *never* fully shut down indoor dining and obviously cases rose and then fell just as they did in CA, which did. Indoor dining and bars are safe, this is objectively true.

So the question is, why is the media and government so hellbent on destroying a basic mode of human interaction like going to a restaurant and bar? Why are they so interested in destroying this industry which is for the most part stocked with small businesses? There has to be a reason for it, and it is not that they are looking at "science" and "reality" because, as this email shows, they are not doing that.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[ManaByte]

 

[diffusionx]

And remember the Spanish Flu was actually dangerous for the whole population, so all anti-mask people had skin in the game in the way they do not this time around.

Masks don't work, period.

 

[diffusionx]

Sweden shows lockdowns were unnecessary. No wonder public health officials hate it

You know who isn’t worried about a second wave of COVID-19? Sweden. The stolid Scandinavian kingdom has just carried out a record number of COVID-19 tests and found a positive rate of just 1.2%, the lowest since the start of the pandemic. As Sweden’s case rate drops below Norway’s and Denmark’s,…

www.washingtonexaminer.com

After all, if Sweden’s strategy was viable, the rest of us ruined ourselves for nothing. That is a disquieting thought, almost an unbearable one. But Sweden forces us to confront it.

Imagine a world where Stockholm had caved to international pressure and fallen into line with everyone else. In such a world, politicians and public health officials could get away with claiming that but for their closures and crackdowns, things would have been unimaginably worse. The disease, they would tell us, would have spread exponentially. Millions, perhaps hundreds of millions, would have died.

But they can’t make that claim when we can all see the control in the experiment. Stockholm’s streets are filled with relaxed people congregating in cafes without face masks. You and I might find those images uplifting, but to the epidemiologists and officials who staked everything on closing their economies, Sweden is the specter at the feast. There it sits, like Banquo’s ghost, silently rebuking them.
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The infection and fatality graphs for Sweden and the United Kingdom look almost identical. You would be hard pushed, looking at them, to guess which nation closed its shops, schools, and offices and which did not. Nor is there much correlation when we look at different states in the United States — nor, indeed, in other parts of the world. Peru, which had an eye-wateringly strict lockdown, is faring far worse than neighboring Brazil, whose President Jair Bolsonaro was attacked around the world for his laissez-faire approach.

The sooner people get it - that the government destroyed our economies and our civic life for no good reason - the better.

 

[DeepBreath87]

Sweden shows lockdowns were unnecessary. No wonder public health officials hate it

You know who isn’t worried about a second wave of COVID-19? Sweden. The stolid Scandinavian kingdom has just carried out a record number of COVID-19 tests and found a positive rate of just 1.2%, the lowest since the start of the pandemic. As Sweden’s case rate drops below Norway’s and Denmark’s,…

www.washingtonexaminer.com

The sooner people get it - that the government destroyed our economies and our civic life for no good reason - the better.

The government is committed to the lie now. They will never admit they fucked over everyone with their bullshit. Never.

 

[sinnergy]

Say that to countries or regions that got overrun .. Italy , New York for example ...

A lock down is necessary when shit isn’t controllable anymore , which happened in lots of places . You could argue that a national lockdown wasn’t necessary. But lock downs have their purpose.

It depends on your starting point , maybe the Swedes and Scandinavia has relative less positives...

For example the part I life in in The Netherlands and the north have relative less infections , that’s not to say we are out of it , as now our infections seem to rise.

You could argue that our part didn’t need lockdown back in March but with the knowledge they had they had to make decisions.

In one part of the country they had 10 times more infected people than they could test and signal. In total 120k infections, that’s why those parts had overrun hospitals and patients even needed to be moved from the ic to a German ic.

First the hammer and later the dance.
We are now in the dance part with less measures and when needed more measures. In the end our approach is not that different from the Swedes as we didn’t had a full lock down , could go shopping , working , not wearing masks etc .. smaller groups .

 

[diffusionx]

Say that to countries or regions that got overrun .. Italy , New York for example ...

A lock down is necessary when shit isn’t controllable anymore , which happened in lots of places . You could argue that a national lockdown wasn’t necessary. But lock downs have their purpose.

It depends on your starting point , maybe the Swedes and Scandinavia has relative less positives...

For example the part I life in in The Netherlands and the north have relative less infections , that’s not to say we are out of it , as now our infections seem to rise.

You could argue that our part didn’t need lockdown back in March but with the knowledge they had the had to make decisions.

I live in New York.

Lockdowns were unnecessary.

 

[Plague Doctor]

Thank god during the peak we funneled everyone to Walmarts and select multi-billion dollar stores that totally doesn't lobby any politicians. They were essential.

It was the safe way to do things and those underdog businesses like Walmart thrived.

 

[DeepBreath87]

Say that to countries or regions that got overrun .. Italy , New York for example ...

A lock down is necessary when shit isn’t controllable anymore , which happened in lots of places . You could argue that a national lockdown wasn’t necessary. But lock downs have their purpose.

It depends on your starting point , maybe the Swedes and Scandinavia has relative less positives...

For example the part I life in in The Netherlands and the north have relative less infections , that’s not to say we are out of it , as now our infections seem to rise.

You could argue that our part didn’t need lockdown back in March but with the knowledge they had they had to make decisions.

In one part of the country they had 10 times more infected people than they could test and signal. In total 120k infections, that’s why those parts had overrun hospitals and patients even needed to be moved from the ic to a German ic.

First the hammer and later the dance.
We are now in the dance part with less measures and when needed more measures. In the end our approach is not that different from the Swedes as we didn’t had a full lock down , could go shopping , working , not wearing masks etc .. smaller groups .

That’s two places on earth. 2. On Earth. 3 if you count Wuhan.

Look at the emails coming out of Nashville about them hiding the data about bars and restaurants. Tell me what that’s about besides CYA. They can’t admit they fucked up closing everything or they look like incompetent assholes that ruin lives instead of saviors who kept us all alive.

 

[Emedan]

Say that to countries or regions that got overrun .. Italy , New York for example ...

A lock down is necessary when shit isn’t controllable anymore , which happened in lots of places . You could argue that a national lockdown wasn’t necessary. But lock downs have their purpose.

It depends on your starting point , maybe the Swedes and Scandinavia has relative less positives...

For example the part I life in in The Netherlands and the north have relative less infections , that’s not to say we are out of it , as now our infections seem to rise.

You could argue that our part didn’t need lockdown back in March but with the knowledge they had they had to make decisions.

In one part of the country they had 10 times more infected people than they could test and signal. In total 120k infections, that’s why those parts had overrun hospitals and patients even needed to be moved from the ic to a German ic.

First the hammer and later the dance.
We are now in the dance part with less measures and when needed more measures. In the end our approach is not that different from the Swedes as we didn’t had a full lock down , could go shopping , working , not wearing masks etc .. smaller groups .

Social distancing and good hygene is enough. Lockdowns do more harm then they do good.

I can't understand the absolute madness around COVID19. This is a virus completely harmless for a huge majority of the population. Corona is no death sentance for anyone not having multiple diseases or/and at a very advanced age, and among those groups most people survive just fine. The insanely strong reactions from governments towards corona has unnecessarily hurt the global economy and who knows how many people have died and will die due to that, not unlikely a fair bit more. It's not the black death people.

I also wonder why infection numbers are spouted as this sensational thing, so what? They're not terribly accurate either since most people who's gotten infected never took a test or visited a health facility.

 

[sinnergy]

That’s two places on earth. 2. On Earth. 3 if you count Wuhan.

Look at the emails coming out of Nashville about them hiding the data about bars and restaurants. Tell me what that’s about besides CYA. They can’t admit they fucked up closing everything or they look like incompetent assholes that ruin lives instead of saviors who kept us all alive.

Yes a short list as fast example , you could add, Spain , France , Portugal , the UK . And if you know more add those .

But all those governments around the globe must be imbeciles, and all those scientists retards ! Right ? All of them !