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[DaGwaphics]

Nah, GamePass will still be GamePass on PC and X-Box and PS Now will be on PC and PlayStation 5. Ecosystems. Just like Netflix and HBO may share a few common series but have their exclusives respectively (Witcher / Game of Thrones), so will GamePass and PS Now have common games and their respective exclusives (Halo / Spider-Man).

Agreed. Netflix doesn't put their content on Hulu and vice versa. Certainly MS wouldn't put GP in Stadia when they have Xcloud. Xcloud will end up available on a lot of the same platforms (TVs, Phones, etc.), but not in the Stadia service itself. Same as Hulu and Netflix compete on the same devices with different services.

 

[Stooky]

What do you think will sale more Switch or Xbox Series in the complete holiday season?

I think Sony and Microsoft loose money on the Digital boxes so they aren’t making as many of them for launch. They know early adopters will go for the more expensive ‘elite’ console during this period. Which is better for their pocket. Next year I can see them pushing the digital consoles harder.

 

[CrysisFreak]

 

[mckmas8808]

Agreed. Netflix doesn't put their content on Hulu and vice versa. Certainly MS wouldn't put GP in Stadia when they have Xcloud. Xcloud will end up available on a lot of the same platforms (TVs, Phones, etc.), but not in the Stadia service itself. Same as Hulu and Netflix compete on the same devices with different services.

I think MS will realize TES6, Starfield, and some other big Zenimax games on the PS5. But they will NEVER be on PS Now or the PS Plus Collection bundle.

 

[FunkMiller]

Just 100% confirming my local Gamestop, which there isnt another one within an hours drive of other Gamestops is getting less than the numbers showed here

Hmmm. Wonder what UK allocation is. Genuinely considering a cheeky pre order now the Bethesda news has dropped, but am busy with work tomorrow morning. Might not get one, as it’ll be lunch time before I can have a pop.

 

[Vae_Victis]

 

[Joey.]

Isn't MS buying Zenimax/Bethesta the counter to not having as many 1st party games as Sony already?

That's true.
But psychologically, this is a huge move from MS.
They have now taken huge IPs from PlayStation that were expected to be multi-plats (i.e. Elder Scrolls, Starfield, etc)

I wonder if Sony will want to take back the spotlight.
Its a big get from MS.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Just 100% confirming my local Gamestop, which there isnt another one within an hours drive of other Gamestops is getting less than the numbers showed here

Seems crazy low to me! At what position size wise are GameStop in retail in NA 2nd or 3rd? They have been making these consoles twice as long as they made last gen consoles starting in June instead of August/September. Should have 5 million for launch so ~half/2.5 million for NA?

Is this unreasonable?

How does it work with iPhone launches? Lots of shortages?

 

[BlueXImpulse]

So now they know. Now MS owns the IP and other big IP. If Sony can't purchase these studios then they should focus on providing these studios with money to make GOTG titles like Bloodborne.

 

[Darklor01]

That's true.
But psychologically, this is a huge move from MS.
They have now taken huge IPs from PlayStation that were expected to be multi-plats (i.e. Elder Scrolls, Starfield, etc)

I wonder if Sony will want to take back the spotlight.
Its a big get from MS.

I really don't think Sony need to take back the spotlight. They have plenty of first party studios, and they don't need to buy out a Konami, or a Capcom in response to what MS does. I also do not think they would want to put up the bank to do it.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

WTF?!?! I literally have 3 Gamestops within 15 minutes of each other near me and their allocation was like this....

Gamestop #1: 12 PS5s

Gamestop #2: 22 PS5s

Gamestop #3: 20 PS5s

Thats basically what he said as well, all the stores he manages got 10x the number of PS5s to order.

Looks like Sony flying shipments in paid off for initial launch numbers.

 

[Ptarmiganx2]

This can't be underplayed by anyone. It's a massive move and one that will help them provide decent competition to Playstation this generation. The chances of me buying a Series X at some point just went up considerably.

All major titles will still release on PS5. Bethesda will continue to self-publish. MS isn't reducing the audience of the big tiles by 70 percent with gamepass still losing money.

 

[wellgamer789]

Xbox Series X Collectible Card loool

 

[Ptarmiganx2]

So with Microsoft acquiring Bethesda, does that mean Starfield and Elder Scrolls 6 will be Xbox exclusives

Not unless MS plans on never recouping their money.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

All major titles will still release on PS5. Bethesda will continue to self-publish. MS isn't reducing the audience of the big tiles by 70 percent with gamepass still losing money.

Don't count on this you will set yourself up for disappointment. From this moment, from this very moment on.... consider The Elder Scrolls a Xbox exclusive.

Look forward to Sony exclusives like Demon's Souls and Bloodborne 2 if it gets funding. Sony initially commissioned Demons Souls to compete with Elder Scrolls anyway.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

With the sheer number of bullshit twitter accounts you post here with that dumb smiley....

It makes me wonder if you are creating them to post here.

Either way, good luck keeping your account with all of this obvious BS you post lol

Agreed dude, can we please stop posting these kinda bullshit fake tweets, it adds nothing to the discussion and it's irrelevant.

It was funny for like 2 seconds and now it's starting to get really really annoying.

 

[Sinthor]

Don't count on this you will set yourself up for disappointment. From this moment, from this very moment on.... consider The Elder Scrolls a Xbox exclusive.

Look forward to Sony exclusives like Demon's Souls and Bloodborne 2 if it gets funding. Sony initially commissioned Demons Souls to compete with Elder Scrolls anyway.

Well, I agree that nothing is set in stone. Still, MS is struggling right now and their strategy is going "Xbox as a platform" and eventually being hardware agnostic. That's the Microsoft model. So the chances are, right now that they don't mess with multiplatform titles as they need the money and they need to make money back on this huge buy. That being said, for the long term if they are successful in growing GamePass and making it profitable and can keep extending those types of offerings, THEN they would definitely start making more titles exclusive. At least, that's how I think it's likely to go.

Also, if not successful this generation, remember, MS shed a ton of development teams in the past when things were not going well. They can always do so again if this doesn't play out the way they need it to.

Interesting possibilities for the future, for sure, and this DEFINITELY is a big move for Microsoft! Just....I don't think it's a death knell for Bethesda games on other platforms....not yet.

 

[Mahavastu]

Thats basically what he said as well, all the stores he manages got 10x the number of PS5s to order.

Looks like Sony flying shipments in paid off for initial launch numbers.

Ouch, if Xbox is so far behind even in the US, their only strong market, they really have a problem...
Did they say something if they expect the XBox orders to be so weak, or do they hope for another "we sold out in a few minutes" message?

 

[Faithless83]

So if tomorrow your company came to you and said hey we are making more money now but you don't get a raise this year because reasons, you'd walk away ok with that?

Highly doubt it.

This already happens. They are paid in dollars and I receive my salary in BRL. They are making more money and they used fucking covid as an excuse for not raising our salaries.

I'm pretending not to be pissed about it because I have plans.

That said, your example don't make sense as we don't know how much of a jump we'll have in development cost.

 

[Sinthor]

Ouch, if Xbox is so far behind even in the US, their only strong market, they really have a problem...
Did they say something if they expect the XBox orders to be so weak, or do they hope for another "we sold out in a few minutes" message?

Hell, with only 5-10 units per store, I'd sure HOPE they are sold out quickly! I'm sure they will be, too. MAYBE not the Series S, but DEFINITELY the Series X. They have at least a quarter to half of their current install base who are big time fans and who will buy the console. So that's 10-20 million minimum. But they need to get production up to where it matches demand, for sure. They may just be going cautiously as well since after this current generation they may not be as certain on what demand will BE for their hardware.

 

[ethomaz]

WTF?!?! I literally have 3 Gamestops within 15 minutes of each other near me and their allocation was like this....

Gamestop #1: 12 PS5s

Gamestop #2: 22 PS5s

Gamestop #3: 20 PS5s

He is talking about Xbox... not PS5.
PS5 has better preorder allocation than what the tweet says about Xbox.

 

[Stooky]

Don't count on this you will set yourself up for disappointment. From this moment, from this very moment on.... consider The Elder Scrolls a Xbox exclusive.

Look forward to Sony exclusives like Demon's Souls and Bloodborne 2 if it gets funding. Sony initially commissioned Demons Souls to compete with Elder Scrolls anyway.

I don’t think that will happen. They have to pay for that 7.5 bill acquisition. Just selling to gamepass Xbox and pc means they loose money.

 

[Faithless83]

Possible i missed it but the point still stand they will have sales on pc and xbox on top subscription you need to take them into account too and not only count subscriptions
And by that same logic why can sony ingore 5M xbox/pc sales in same scenario but ms can't ?

What sales? Why would you buy it on PC/Xbox if you can subscribe for a month and "rent" the game?
I don't understand your logic.

 

[Nikana]

This already happens. They are paid in dollars and I receive my salary in BRL. They are making more money and they used fucking covid as an excuse for not raising our salaries.

I'm pretending not to be pissed about it because I have plans.

That said, your example don't make sense as we don't know how much of a jump we'll have in development cost.

So we should just pay it anyway and listen to the PR and suits that are saying people should pay more because costs are "higher?" Sounds legit.

 

[Faithless83]

Just 100% confirming my local Gamestop, which there isnt another one within an hours drive of other Gamestops is getting less than the numbers showed here

Artificial scarcity, maybe?

 

[megreotsugua]

Microsoft have acquired Bethesda, this is HUGE!!

I do not know what Sony will do, Microsoft now has more games and more studios than Sony, and they have BANGER HUGE exclusives, not just smaller games.

This is how you flip the roof on the competition LOL!!

They still have a lot of proving to do when it comes to the quality of their output. Bethesda not hitting it out of the park for the past 6 years does not contribute at all to the confidence.

 

[HawarMiran]

Interesting. Lets see how MS will fare with their approach. Netflix of gaming could be nice but I don't see how that can be profitable. You have to give people an incentive to stay subscribed. A game that is in developement for multiple years and people can just subscribe for a month and play it for 10 bucks? Makes no sense. A lot of things about to change in the gaming space

 

[DaGwaphics]

With how bad early availability is getting with most tech products, I'm curious as to how many units both companies get out the door in pre-orders. I remember that PS4 and X1 both made most of the yearly sales rankings just on pre-orders alone. I wonder if we will see that with these units. If they fair as bad as nvidia is with the 3080, ouch.

 

[marvifrom]

This would actually start a civil war.

 

[HawarMiran]

This would actually start a civil war.

I am siding with Spidey

 

[splattered]

Thats basically what he said as well, all the stores he manages got 10x the number of PS5s to order.

Looks like Sony flying shipments in paid off for initial launch numbers.

As bad a financial situation as Gamestop is in though i kind of wonder if this was a planned allocation move by Gamestop thinking they wouldn't be selling as many consoles as the PS5 so they wouldn't have all that inventory sitting on shelves if they kept initial numbers slim. They're going to look a little silly if preorders explode tomorrow and they can't keep up with demand vs Amazon/Target/Walmart/MS Store/Best Buy/Etc

 

[mitchman]

MIcrosoft did not spend 7 billion dollars to gift console-sellers to PlayStation.

Minecraft called and claimed "money is money".

 

[Joey.]

So some of you think Elder Scrolls and Starfield will remain multi-plats?
I mean, that would be great for me, but I'm not so sure about that.
I might have to buy an XSX down the road now because Elder Scrolls...

Minecraft called and claimed "money is money".

That's very true too...

 

[martino]

What sales? Why would you buy it on PC/Xbox if you can subscribe for a month and "rent" the game?
I don't understand your logic.

because yours is limited to binary one probably
did ms said it's the end of physical / digital copies ?
there are lot of different poeple with different tastes and context to want a specific game.

 

[splattered]

So are we expecting anything else big by the end of the day before preorders start tomorrow?

Or maybe early morning tomorrow to keep the momentum up?

Or maybe both!?

 

[mitchman]

So some of you think Elder Scrolls and Starfield will remain multi-plats?

Yes, MS is a business and they like money, so I believe their top sellers will stil be on playstation. Just like Minecraft.

 

[Faithless83]

So we should just pay it anyway and listen to the PR and suits that are saying people should pay more because costs are "higher?" Sounds legit.

I get why you are pissed about it and I'm not happy about as well. But as I said already. investors want more money so they can invest more and keep the wheel spinning.

It will be more expensive for sure, but instead of seeing the glass half empty, here's something:

A lucrative industry, brings more investors.
More money = games with bigger scope and maybe even more risks (creative freedom).

Isn't that a good thing?

 

[Stuart360]

Yeah i think some poeple need to watch the Phil interview with CNBC, he pretty much said they will honour the contracts they have with PS5 but Bethesda has been bought for 'the Xbox community' going forward.

EDIT. Just watch the video for yourselves

 

[ethomaz]

Thats basically what he said as well, all the stores he manages got 10x the number of PS5s to order.

Looks like Sony flying shipments in paid off for initial launch numbers.

Launch stock is mostly flying shipments for both companies.

 

[ethomaz]

Yeah i think some poeple need to watch the Phil interview with CNBC, he pretty much said they will honour the contracts they have with PS5 but Bethesda has been bought for 'the Xbox community' going forward.

EDIT. Just watch the video for yourselves

Of course they will "honour" unless they want to pay a big chuck to Sony.
It is a contract if you break it you need to deal with the penalties.

 

[Ptarmiganx2]

MS buying bethesda was a great move. now hopefully bethesda can finally pump out some good games since most of them for the past 6-7 years have been total ASS.

Because if there's one thing Microsoft is know for...it's getting the most out of their studios.

 

[sandkiller]

Anyone from Sony commented yet, on the Bethesda acquisition?

 

[Garjon]

So some of you think Elder Scrolls and Starfield will remain multi-plats?
I mean, that would be great for me, but I'm not so sure about that.
I might have to buy an XSX down the road now because Elder Scrolls...



That's very true too...

MS have been deliberately very ambiguous on exclusivity. If they were certain about it, they'd be shouting about exclusivity from the rooftops but so far they have been quite vague. I think they are waiting to see how the gen plays out. It's no good dropping 7.5 billion on a company just to delete more than a third of the company's revenue just like that. MS may be rich but they still answer to their shareholders. It all depends on how intensely MS wishes to go in on Game Pass.

It's also worth noting that nothing is finalised yet and allowing Bethesda to make some multiplatform games could be one of the deal breakers (as many studio bonuses are tied to sales). I don't think that is too likely but it's just one of the many potential factors in play here.

 

[dotnotbot]

Anyone from Sony commented yet, on the Bethesda acquisition?

Have you ever seen Sony commenting on something like that?

 

[Nikana]

I get why you are pissed about it and I'm not happy about as well. But as I said already. investors want more money so they can invest more and keep the wheel spinning.

It will be more expensive for sure, but instead of seeing the glass half empty, here's something:

A lucrative industry, brings more investors.
More money = games with bigger scope and maybe even more risks (creative freedom).

Isn't that a good thing?

Im not pissed at all. I just dont follow this mentality and mental gymnastics people do to justify it to themselves. Most arguments stem from games have never been cheaper due to inflation which is true with about ******* after the statement.

The 70 price tag isn't going to magically fix all of these issues that publishers and developers complain about either if you are using the inflation argument because its still not even close to what they "should" cost with that logic in mind.

What will be the excuse now that games will continue to have MTX and be built as a GAAS?

 

[jose4gg]

Anyone from Sony commented yet, on the Bethesda acquisition?

"We the players have already asked Sony to buy Take-two"

 

[ethomaz]

Anyone from Sony commented yet, on the Bethesda acquisition?

Reason to comment? I mean why Sony needs to comment in others acquisitions? It is unrelated to them.

 

[Zheph]

Anyone from Sony commented yet, on the Bethesda acquisition?

Taking one for the team, thanks for the laugh mate

 

[Stuart360]

Of course they will "honour" unless they want to pay a big chuck to Sony.
It is a contract if you break it you need to deal with the penalties.

Well i'm on about the part after, the fact that he says once those contracts have been honoured, Bethesda has been bought for the Xbox community and now they have 23 studios that will be producing games for Xbox.
You dont need to be a pshychologist to get what he's saying here.

 

[Stuart360]

MS have been deliberately very ambiguous on exclusivity. If they were certain about it, they'd be shouting about exclusivity from the rooftops but so far they have been quite vague. I think they are waiting to see how the gen plays out. It's no good dropping 7.5 billion on a company just to delete more than a third of the company's revenue just like that. MS may be rich but they still answer to their shareholders. It all depends on how intensely MS wishes to go in on Game Pass.

It's also worth noting that nothing is finalised yet and allowing Bethesda to make some multiplatform games could be one of the deal breakers (as many studio bonuses are tied to sales). I don't think that is too likely but it's just one of the many potential factors in play here.

Saying it live on CNBC isnt enough?