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[CircleOfFire]

Xbox Live Gold which has.. .90 Million active users.

Surely that would mean there's ~40 million that are either paying for it and not using it or are using it on a 360? I can't believe there's a lot of people sharing an Xbox One and paying for multiple subscriptions.

That's even assuming every single Xbox One has an active individual Live Gold account attached.

Assuming there's not some fudging like my long expired account being included, that's an incredible result.

 

[CAB_Life]

PS5 will do well in the first couple of years, without a doubt. Long term, Ryan and his cohorts are not good leadership and “the fish rots from the head”, as they say. Look to the Mattrick era for a reminder of how that goes.

 

[JCK75]

Surely that would mean there's ~40 million that are either paying for it and not using it or are using it on a 360? I can't believe there's a lot of people sharing an Xbox One and paying for multiple subscriptions.

That's even assuming every single Xbox One has an active individual Live Gold account attached.

Assuming there's not some fudging like my long expired account being included, that's an incredible result.

it says active users so I'm not sure if I count as in.. I never cancelled but don't really use it.. though I do use gamepass on PC so maybe they include me in the total package.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

MS gave away all of the Assassins Creed games, Forza Games, Halo's etc etc.. and your exampe of value is..... Rocket League? lol
I find them on equal footing in the level of no longer caring. But since game pass gives me games on PC too, I'm more into it.

I'm not sure you want to list war PS+ vs Gold, but I wasn't arguing cash value, I was arguing against the notion the games are normally dogshit.

 

[On Demand]

Everybody is just hyped off the current news cycle. Emotional. Xbox still doesn’t have any first party launch games. PS5 has 5. In the immediate future too PS5 has a better line up with more games. Xbox is still selling promises, potential, and hopes. There’s nothing tangible like PS5.

 

[Killer Sakoman]

Came across this video out of the blue.




- Says New Management is probably going to take some time to settle in.
- Says that why will anyone go to retailer and buy a game when they can get it free (via Active sub of course)
- Says he is 50+ and more into mini/indie style games.
- States that he is getting an XboxS_x



By the way, I feel that this notion of "getting it fee" is a bit of a stretch.

Even on PSN+ there have been numerous hits like Rocket League...

I used to follow this guy back in the mid 2000s. He is full of shit. Back in the day he was always advocating for multiplayer only games and how FTP model is great for developers and how AAA sucks.

 

[Laconian Sword]

I have yet to see a console being cursed that much as the PS5 before its release, beginning with all the FUD that hás been circulated around the internet and made headlights on some suspiscious gaming sites, all the while the console being the only one that has been praised by people (devs) who actually work in the industry, such a huge reality contradiction.

I have no particular axe to grind with Microsoft, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out they're seeding that FUD themselves on social media. We're seeing similar information warfare tactics deployed outside of gaming these days, aren't we? The timing alone is suspect and the whole thing seems pretty inorganic. But that's just a conspiracy theory like everything else that rings true in this era

 

[mckmas8808]

The management is off at Sony for sure, they are just not good with PR, but this console isn’t doing N64 numbers, hell no. Probably PS1 numbers if anything.

The crazy thing is, I think Sony's management is half great and the other half is terrible. The ones actually "DOING" the work to make the PS5 hardware, SDK, and games are doing an outstanding job. It's the Marketing that's doing horrible. Sony just DOES NOT want to talk about the PS5 for some odd reason.

I assume it's because they don't know how to market it and know it'll sell out in 3.5 seconds regardless. Their marketing arm is paralyzed with fear. They clearly fear screwing up the PS5 and rocking the boat in the wrong way. So instead Sony has just decided to say nothing about the PS5 ever again.

 

[soulbait]

The title of this post is completely wrong.

He does not talk about sales numbers at all. He does not say they sales numbers will be like Gamecube/N64. He was just comparing the reasons why to purchase a PS5. People bought N64/Gamecube (or pretty much all Nintendo consoles since then except for the Wii) just for the exclusives. Nintendo's first party line up is what brings people in, not third-partys. Almost everyone on here agrees with that. He was just stating that he thinks that is the position that PS5 is going to be in. When you attempt to sell a console to someone it is going to be like, "Well you can go with PS5, where their exclusives are amazing and beloved, or got with XSX where you can get Gamepass, some good exclusives, and third parties should run better." Pretty much the arguments that have been said on Gaf since the release of the Xbox One X, except for the potential increase in good exclusives.

Someone wanted to hear negativity,and so they did. Rather than listen to what he was saying and truly think it through, a reactionary post was made. You can disagree with him and think that PS5 has more selling points than its exclusives, but you cannot just make up saying the guy was talking about sales numbers.

Why are fanboys so obsessed with sales numbers?

 

[JCK75]

I'm not sure you want to list war PS+ vs Gold, but I wasn't arguing cash value, I was arguing against the notion the games are normally dogshit.

You say that like I'm not completely familiar with every game, I'm not talking cash value either I'm talking about the quality of the games and how badly I want to play them..
There is a handful of great games on both but the vast majority is absolute dogshit, and while both give previous gen games every month.. unless you're keeping two generations of Sony consoles hooked up that only benefits Xbox users.

 

[CircleOfFire]

it says active users so I'm not sure if I count as in.. I never cancelled but don't really use it.. though I do use gamepass on PC so maybe they include me in the total package.

This says Xbox Live, not Live Gold and users not subscribers:

Which is a wholly different beast as I guess that can include people on PC or even only on a phone.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

You say that like I'm not completely familiar with every game, I'm not talking cash value either I'm talking about the quality of the games and how badly I want to play them..
There is a handful of great games on both but the vast majority is absolute dogshit, and while both give previous gen games every month.. unless you're keeping two generations of Sony consoles hooked up that only benefits Xbox users.

Okay... so just to be clear... no one really cares how badly you want to play them. Also I'm guessing you're pretty unfamiliar with PS+ if you think they still offer games for PS3.

 

[tryDEATH]

You have got to have blinders on if you don't think Sony has moronically stumbled through this whole lead up to next generation, just so freaking many stumbles on so many different issues.

The hardcore loyalist will reluctantly look past all those f*ck ups, but the majority of players won't and will have a long hard look over at Xbox and what they have done to entice people. And when compared like Jaffe said the value proposition just simply favors Xbox significantly this generation and no one in their right mind can say that isn't the case.

Its Tradition vs. Progress, and Xbox is simply playing the game with a future in mind something Sony isn't.

This says Xbox Live, not Live Gold and users not subscribers:

Which is a wholly different beast as I guess that can include people on PC or even only on a phone.

GamePass has 15 million subscribers now.

 

[IbelieveInGenerations]

I have no particular axe to grind with Microsoft, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out they're seeding that FUD themselves on social media. We're seeing similar information warfare tactics deployed outside of gaming these days, aren't we? The timing alone is suspect and the whole thing seems pretty inorganic. But that's just a conspiracy theory like everything else that rings true in this era

Yeah.. I noticed that whenever there was a bad news for Xbox to come, there was the exact false rumour (fud) in reverse against ps5, as if the guys behind Ilthe fuds knew what were happenning behind the scenes with Xbox and needed to make It like the problem is with Sony/PS5.

 

[Sentenza]

Until it doesn’t. We have many examples of previous consoles thankfully but go ahead continue your delusional thought.

Not even sure what you are ranting about. Are you ACTUALLY claiming the PS5 is going to sell poorly, when it's already selling a shitton as a preorder right now?
And in case you missed, you are raging against someone who has absolutely no intention to buy one (nor an XBOX, for all that matters).

Yeah.. I noticed that whenever there was a bad news for Xbox to come, there was the exact false rumour (fud) in reverse against ps5, as if the guys behind Ilthe fuds knew what were happenning behind the scenes with Xbox and needed to make It like the problem is with Sony/PS5.

And now we have the conspiracy theory.
Jesus Fucking Christ. What's up with all the Sony fanboys going absolutely insane in the last week or so?

 

[Explosive Zombie]

You have got to have blinders on if you don't think Sony has moronically stumbled through this whole lead up to next generation, just so freaking many stumbles on so many different issues.

The hardcore loyalist will reluctantly look past all those f*ck ups, but the majority of players won't and will have a long hard look over at Xbox and what they have done to entice people. And when compared like Jaffe said the value proposition just simply favors Xbox significantly this generation and no one in their right mind can say that isn't the case.

Its Tradition vs. Progress, and Xbox is simply playing the game with a future in mind something Sony isn't.

They also thought that TV stuff, always online, no discs was progress in 2013. As far as broad strokes picture goes SONY has been doing fine, their prices are competitive, especially if you do digital, their PS+ line-up for PS5 is stellar, they have real launch exclusives people actually want and they HAVE made progress, but it's in things like haptic feedback, 3D audio and such. They've both made stumbles, it takes a fanboy to think one has made demonstrably worse stumbles than another, which PS5 stumble equates to the Halo Infinite debacle?

 

[MilkLizard]

If PS5 only does GC numbers XBox will be Ouya levels of bad.

 

[mckmas8808]

I have no particular axe to grind with Microsoft, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out they're seeding that FUD themselves on social media. We're seeing similar information warfare tactics deployed outside of gaming these days, aren't we? The timing alone is suspect and the whole thing seems pretty inorganic. But that's just a conspiracy theory like everything else that rings true in this era

I think you're closer to the truth than you realize.

 

[Walter Matthau]

The title of this post is completely wrong.

He does not talk about sales numbers at all. He does not say they sales numbers will be like Gamecube/N64. He was just comparing the reasons why to purchase a PS5.

Someone wanted to hear negativity,and so they did. Rather than listen to what he was saying and truly think it through, a reactionary post was made. You can disagree with him and think that PS5 has more selling points than its exclusives, but you cannot just make up saying the guy was talking about sales numbers.

Why are fanboys so obsessed with sales numbers?

Nearly all the responses in this thread are based off the thread title which flat out makes up what he said. I think maybe 3 or 4 of us have actually bothered watching the video.

 

[PlayerPurple]

Your thread title doesn't match the content of the video, he says "they're gonna become Nintendo circa Gamecube/N64", and he immediately clarifies by saying it's because the sole reason to buy a Playstation 5 is exclusives, and otherwise there aren't any major selling points that competition doesn't do equally or better.

He never said a thing about sales numbers in that video you posted.

Quoted for truth.

 

[JCK75]

This says Xbox Live, not Live Gold and users not subscribers:

Which is a wholly different beast as I guess that can include people on PC or even only on a phone.

We have no clue to total numbers but we know that prior to these accounts coming to PC and Phone they were at 45 Million which suggests at the very least their console users are very close to total service to hardware ratio (still more than PS Plus users), and it doesn't matter, we are talking about free games and the entire point was that you can't retroactively redeem PSplus games making it nothing like gamepass unless you were on it the entire time and redeeming every game.

 

[On Demand]

The title of this post is completely wrong.

He does not talk about sales numbers at all. He does not say they sales numbers will be like Gamecube/N64. He was just comparing the reasons why to purchase a PS5. People bought N64/Gamecube (or pretty much all Nintendo consoles since then except for the Wii) just for the exclusives. Nintendo's first party line up is what brings people in, not third-partys. Almost everyone on here agrees with that. He was just stating that he thinks that is the position that PS5 is going to be in. When you attempt to sell a console to someone it is going to be like, "Well you can go with PS5, where their exclusives are amazing and beloved, or got with XSX where you can get Gamepass, some good exclusives, and third parties should run better." Pretty much the arguments that have been said on Gaf since the release of the Xbox One X, except for the potential increase in good exclusives.

Someone wanted to hear negativity,and so they did. Rather than listen to what he was saying and truly think it through, a reactionary post was made. You can disagree with him and think that PS5 has more selling points than its exclusives, but you cannot just make up saying the guy was talking about sales numbers.

Why are fanboys so obsessed with sales numbers?

Thank you for this intelligent post. Fanboys love to make a big deal out of nothing. Trying so hard to attack Sony and exaggerate every little thing as a negative to make Xbox look better. A console as I said is launching with NO FIRST PARTY GAMES.

Keep trying fanboys. That goes for the fanboy media too. You’re efforts are noted.

 

[CircleOfFire]

GamePass has 15 million subscribers now.

Which is impressive, but also not what we were talking about.

 

[ElCasual]

He have some goods points.
The PR and the managent are totally crap.
All mistery and misinformation.
And here in México, the people dont want buy games they just ask for free games in gamepass, what a lame people.

 

[CircleOfFire]

We have no clue to total numbers but we know that prior to these accounts coming to PC and Phone they were at 45 Million which suggests at the very least their console users are very close to total service to hardware ratio (still more than PS Plus users), and it doesn't matter, we are talking about free games and the entire point was that you can't retroactively redeem PSplus games making it nothing like gamepass unless you were on it the entire time and redeeming every game.

I don't think you can particularly make that claim, Xbox Live active users is not really equatable to Xbox Live Gold subscribers.

 

[Aggressive Carrot]

I didn't even know David Jaffe was still around. Last time I heard anything about him was when that Drawn to Death was announced. Anyway, he doesn’t say exactly what the thread title says.

 

[JCK75]

Okay... so just to be clear... no one really cares how badly you want to play them. Also I'm guessing you're pretty unfamiliar with PS+ if you think they still offer games for PS3.

I'm thinking you were not subscribed before 2016 if you don't think 90% of the games prior to that were PS3 versions of games that can't be played on PS4.
if you got MGS4 it was for PS3, if you got Tomb Raider it was for PS3, if you got Borderlands or Borderlands 2 they were for PS3.

So yes that splits the value for current gen of their total game list in a way Xbox users don't have to deal with.

 

[On Demand]

I have yet to see a console being cursed that much as the PS5 before its release, beginning with all the FUD that hás been circulated around the internet and made headlights on some suspiscious gaming sites, all the while the console being the only one that has been praised by people (devs) who actually work in the industry, such a huge reality contradiction.

Every single New gen You see so many people predicting MS beating Sony's ass, but they always end up loosing even in the worst possible scenario a PS console ever lived like in PS3 era.

People continue to substimate the strentgh of the most powerfull Brand with strongest history and legacy in their favor, always devlievering a diverse and quality unique game experiences and for that exact reason, people were loyal because they know what they are getting when It comes to what matter most when they buy a PS platform: the games.

It’s definitely on purpose. It’s not going to work though. PlayStation brand and first party games is just too strong. Last I checked not supporting crossplay was supposed to be the downfall of Sony. Among other things fanboys and the media claimed. That same quarter PS4 sold more than the previous quarter. Software sales increased etc.


Let them keep at it. Reality is going hit again after the consoles launch.

 

[Piku_Ringo]

In 2014, he announced his first project on his new studio The Bartlet Jones Supernatural Detective Agency called Drawn to Death as a PlayStation 4 exclusive. The game received mixed reviews, and due to the cancellation of an unannounced title, his newfound company shut down a year later.

Daaaaaaaaamn Dave!!!! That's rough.

 

[Clear]

PS Plus is not even remotely comparable to game pass, it's comparable to Xbox Live Gold which has.. .90 Million active users. So you've proven my point not even meaning to. Xbox has twice the subscribers than they have hardware on the market, Sony has half. (actually far less than half) So to anyone outside of that 40 million you get no benefit from PSplus except the 2-3 games per month (which are usually dogshit games). I have not bothered to claim a game on Xbox Live or PS plus for over a year now.

No its not comparable to Gold because its all concentrated on a single platform and unlike that service doesn't inflate its numbers by locking in users of F2P titles like Fortnite.

And it still fails to disprove my point that 40m subscribers is practically the same size as Xbox's entire console install-base, many of them now incentivized to keep paying their subs because of their GamePass-sized IGC, not to mention very likely significant further investment in physical and digital product tied to the Playstation ecosystem.

PS4 has kicked Xbox ass up and down the yard for the last 7 years, that's not debatable. As is the fact that due to the next gen being more of a continuation than any previous one, its and advantage that will carry forwards.

Also, how many new games a month do you think you're going to get going forwards on GamePass? Games take years to make, even indies, so its always going to be a trickle feed and thanks to their lousy first party performance this last gen, they are starting from a much lower start-point than Playstation is when it comes to back catalog they haven't mercilessly exploited already.

 

[tryDEATH]

They also thought that TV stuff, always online, no discs was progress in 2013. As far as broad strokes picture goes SONY has been doing fine, their prices are competitive, especially if you do digital, their PS+ line-up for PS5 is stellar, they have real launch exclusives people actually want and they HAVE made progress, but it's in things like haptic feedback, 3D audio and such. They've both made stumbles, it takes a fanboy to think one has made demonstrably worse stumbles than another, which PS5 stumble equates to the Halo Infinite debacle?

Are you making a point that MS does know what the future holds, because MS Xbox One vision actually has come to fruition?

Prices are competitive if you are being ignorant to the markets outside of the USA, PS+ is an elementary services that was acceptable last generation. Games they do have, but you conveniently leave out that one of them isn't even a full game and the other is a Remaster of a 10 year old game. All the other points you made are your run of the mill PR talking points that a majority of people, wouldn't even consider when making their purchasing decision.

Also a game being delayed isn't a debacle, if we are going to count those things, then we could also count the TloU2 and Ghost of Tsushima as two more debacles that lead to the launch of next generation so that would be even more stumbles. Halo is the only remotely negative thing leading up to next generation when compared to Sony's laundry list.

 

[JCK75]

No its not comparable to Gold because its all concentrated on a single platform and unlike that service doesn't inflate its numbers by locking in users of F2P titles like Fortnite.

And it still fails to disprove my point that 40m subscribers is practically the same size as Xbox's entire console install-base, many of them now incentivized to keep paying their subs because of their GamePass-sized IGC, not to mention very likely significant further investment in physical and digital product tied to the Playstation ecosystem.

PS4 has kicked Xbox ass up and down the yard for the last 7 years, that's not debatable. As is the fact that due to the next gen being more of a continuation than any previous one, its and advantage that will carry forwards.

Also, how many new games a month do you think you're going to get going forwards on GamePass? Games take years to make, even indies, so its always going to be a trickle feed and thanks to their lousy first party performance this last gen, they are starting from a much lower start-point than Playstation is when it comes to back catalog they haven't mercilessly exploited already.

That same logic applies to games you have to buy for $70, you aren't going to have a wealth of new games to play, a handful of titles only about 10% of them worth paying $70 for.. but those on Xbox AND PC have a huge selection of games being upgraded at no extra cost, having all of those Bethesda and EA games is a huge bonus.. I'm sorry but the value is just huge to any rational person even if it isn't to you. I thought $60 was high for most games but $70 is just going to make me pickier about which ones I buy before a huge price drop.

 

[DryvBy]

The fact that the preorders are in hot demand states that he's wrong.

I think he's mad because he can't do another Twisted Metal and God of War is not his.

 

[On Demand]

PS Plus is not even remotely comparable to game pass, it's comparable to Xbox Live Gold which has.. .90 Million active users. So you've proven my point not even meaning to. Xbox has twice the subscribers than they have hardware on the market, Sony has half. (actually far less than half) So to anyone outside of that 40 million you get no benefit from PSplus except the 2-3 games per month (which are usually dogshit games). I have not bothered to claim a game on Xbox Live or PS plus for over a year now.

XBL gold does not have 90M subscribers. Active users are people who use XBL account. Which is anything from all their devices you have to sign into.

PS Plus has 45M subscribers with over 100M active users on PSN which includes PS3.

XBL-XBL gold

PS Plus- PSN

Please do your research before spouting information like that.

 

[mckmas8808]

They also thought that TV stuff, always online, no discs was progress in 2013. As far as broad strokes picture goes SONY has been doing fine, their prices are competitive, especially if you do digital, their PS+ line-up for PS5 is stellar, they have real launch exclusives people actually want and they HAVE made progress, but it's in things like haptic feedback, 3D audio and such. They've both made stumbles, it takes a fanboy to think one has made demonstrably worse stumbles than another, which PS5 stumble equates to the Halo Infinite debacle?

The bolded is 100% facts.

 

[lastmessiah]

The fact that the preorders are in hot demand states that he's wrong.

I think he's mad because he can't do another Twisted Metal and God of War is not his.

We don't know anything about preorder numbers. All we have is fanboys asserting that one sold more than the other based on their feelings.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Are you making a point that MS does know what the future holds, because MS Xbox One vision actually has come to fruition?

Prices are competitive if you are being ignorant to the markets outside of the USA, PS+ is an elementary services that was acceptable last generation. Games they do have, but you conveniently leave out that one of them isn't even a full game and the other is a Remaster of a 10 year old game. All the other points you made are your run of the mill PR talking points that a majority of people, wouldn't even consider when making their purchasing decision.

Also a game being delayed isn't a debacle, if we are going to count those things, then we could also count the TloU2 and Ghost of Tsushima as two more debacles that lead to the launch of next generation so that would be even more stumbles. Halo is the only remotely negative thing leading up to next generation when compared to Sony's laundry list.

1% of all PS5s sold were digital edition so... TV is still a non-factor... always online still isn't required...

USA is the biggest market, certainly is for Microsoft. What does "full game" mean, though? They're charging 20 dollars less for it. Not a remaster... remake... it'd do you well to recognize the difference there. You mention what a majority of people consider but in that case what does the MAJORITY consider that has them considering XBOX over PS5?

The game was delayed because of how bad it looked leaving their launch line-up relatively empty. TLOU 2 and GoT are two record-breaking, well reviewed exclusive games... something XBOX doesn't have much of. What is this laundry list you're hinting at? Games being 10 dollars more, for instance? You really think XBOX games won't be the same? Maybe you mean the pre-order thing which wasn't on SONY but retailers? The only thing I can think of that's somewhat legit is the upgrade path question for Spider-Man but I can't name many remasters with upgrade paths, can you?

 

[Rusty Shackelford]

Pretty damn obvious most commenting didn't watch the video, or completely can't comprehend what he said. He NEVER said anything about the PS5 selling N64/Gamecube numbers.

 

[mckmas8808]

We don't know anything about preorder numbers. All we have is fanboys asserting that one sold more than the other based on their feelings.

We know for a fact that all pre-orders sold out in minutes at every retailer in the world. That much we know.

 

[metareferential]

This guy hasn't done shit worth playing since the first god of war yet for some reason people still act like what he says matters.

By this definition we shouldn't allow any kind of discussion around here...

(not that I 100% agree with what he said).

 

[JCK75]

XBL gold does not have 90M subscribers. Active users are people who use XBL account. Which is anything from all their devices you have to sign into.

PS Plus has 45M subscribers with over 100M active users on PSN which includes PS3.

XBL-XBL gold

PS Plus- PSN

Please do your research before spouting information like that.

Xbox does not distinguish so the numbers don't exist
But not a single bit of it has anything to do with the argument that anyone who has not been signed up for PSplus which is the numbers provided for years and years, those people do not get anything resembling the value of Gamepass. Going into a new generation having Elder Scrolls 6, Starfield, Future ID games all dropping day one with no cost to you outside an existing subscription is friggen HUGE. that doesn't cut against Sony exclusive games as a new God of War will certainly be worth more than $70, I wouldn't pay that for a sequel to Horizon Zero Dawn though (I paid $19 for the first, it was a good looking game that was.. better than average but not amazing)

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Xbox does not distinguish so the numbers don't exist
But not a single bit of it has anything to do with the argument that anyone who has not been signed up for PSplus which is the numbers provided for years and years, those people do not get anything resembling the value of Gamepass. Going into a new generation having Elder Scrolls 6, Starfield, Future ID games all dropping day one with no cost to you outside an existing subscription is friggen HUGE. that doesn't cut against Sony exclusive games as a new God of War will certainly be worth more than $70, I wouldn't pay that for a sequel to Horizon Zero Dawn though (I paid $19 for the first, it was a good looking game that was.. better than average but not amazing)

You know more people have PS+ than Gamepass, right?

 

[JCK75]

You know more people have PS+ than Gamepass, right?

Yes and the two are not comparable.. Game Pass was a beta thing that went into an OK thing, that now is a good thing that once it adds EA Play and Bethesda games becomes an amazing thing.
I said it becomes clear that gamepass is a huge value going forward when games cost $70 (almost 5 months of gamepass). Nothing wrong with that point, disputed that point is stupid and PS+ is nothing like gamepass.... I'm not the one who brought up PS+

 

[Bonsaibäumchen]

Yes and the two are not comparable.. Game Pass was a beta thing that went into an OK thing, that now is a good thing that once it adds EA Play and Bethesda games becomes an amazing thing.
I said it becomes clear that gamepass is a huge value going forward when games cost $70 (almost 5 months of gamepass). Nothing wrong with that point, disputed that point is stupid and PS+ is nothing like gamepass.... I'm not the one who brought up PS+

Yeah just be aware that the gamepass model will change over time.
You will not get more and more games for 10 bucks a month.
Somehow the service will change to make more revenue. My current bet is some form of gaming unrelated advertisment.

Edit: I do have an active gamepass subscription for my pc. So I know whats beeing offered right now.

 

[azz0r]

Who cares what some old dude on youtube thinks?

 

[JCK75]

Yeah just be aware that the gamepass model will change over time.
You will not get more and more games for 10 bucks a month.
Somehow the service will change to make more revenue. My current bet is some form of gaming unrelated advertisment.

I went by the price of $15 in my comment because that's what I currently pay and I believe they will just make that the primary plan.
$15 for Gold and Gamepass for PC+Xbox.. I feel like that $2.7B a year should make for a sustainable ecosystem.. especially since they plan to grow it and that number
only counts existing member numbers.

 

[Investor9872]

How is any youtuber relevant that we post here.

Clearly you don't know who David Jaffe is, and I don't blame you since it's been so, so long ago. I wasn't referring to him as a "Youtuber". Google is your friend.

My question stands. How is David Jaffe relevant today?

 

[alabtrosMyster]

I don't always agree with Jaffe, I think he has gone off the deep end--but he may know some things we don't.

1 - Jim's version of Sony is not as straightforward as they have been from the mid PS3 until he took over recently.
2 - MS has all their pieces placed in a way that they could execute well this time around (not a given, but they do seem set to do well).


Where I disagree is that contrarily to when the 360 was launched MS has no inherent advantage, Sony has a GamePass equivalent, they apparently just need to adjust a couple of parameters (I personally think PSNow is already better than GamePass, it has more games and they are arguably better, games remain day-and-date only for a day)... but anyway, Sony can have their 1st party exclusives day-and-date, etc. that will pretty much settle the score on that level.

I don't think the specs difference between series s and the PS5 is significant (How could it be given how the series s is apparently performing?).

 

[PresetError]

David Jaffe has been an erratic person for years now but I agree with him that Playstation management isn't in good hands.

 

[AGRacing]

He is absolutely right. Sorry folks.