Stuart360
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MrS
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I like the Australian accent but his just irks me. Have no problem listening to King gizzard interviews for example.
MistBreeze
Member
I feel that microsoft will release bethesda games at ps5 full price
but will block amazon and google
I feel microsoft target them more than sony or nintendo
I feel Microsoft not in console battle but in cloud battle against luna and stadia
do not forget sony choose microsoft for servers
but will block amazon and google
I feel microsoft target them more than sony or nintendo
I feel Microsoft not in console battle but in cloud battle against luna and stadia
do not forget sony choose microsoft for servers
I'm just teasing him. I don't have a "problem" with him at all.
Maybe he keeps SonyGAF honest.
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Sinthor
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Snowdonhoffen
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I think the current IPs will remain multiplatform, but new ones will be exclusive. Let's say Tango Gameworks is releasing The Evil Within 3 to finish the trilogy, that game could be multiplatform.
And after that let's say their next project is a new horror IP, that game could very well be an exclusive.
Same with Id Software, Doom Eternal's sequel could be multiplatform but if they decide to develop a new IP after that it will most likely be an exclusive.
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Three Jackdaws
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One of my favourite songs!
Yes....yes...make all the jokes you want, but Dan_of_Rivia is a proud Swiftie!
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Three Jackdaws
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Also anyone watch The Cherno's recent breakdown/reaction to some of the recent next-gen footage. IMO they were really underwhelming, he was just pointing a lot of obvious stuff out from the gameplay but no in-depth insights or something like we saw in Road to PS5 talk. I could be wrong, I might go re-watch them!
Pretty disappointing honestly.. He clearly didn’t do any research about the franchise and offered next to no real insights. And there were several obvious things to talk about.
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Three Jackdaws
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I knew it wasn't just me who noticed that! lol
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Nowcry
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That is not the important thing, the strange division and not joining Xbox Game Studio is what makes me suspect what is happening.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
so I found some augmented reality ps5 videos
Sinthor
Gold Member
I'm not sure I QUITE buy those, but they're very possible. I think with the swooping fins or sides or whatever they are, the PS5 will appear a bit bigger than expected. Definitely gonna be bigger than my PS4 Pro!
Actually, I guess when you compare it to the XSX and think about the difference in design. I mean I can see why MS had to go with what people were talking about initially as a larger kind of form factor. Nothing's free, right. All that power generates heat which demands airflow and cooling. I think the PS5 is going to end up being larger than expected for one specific reason- that secondary expansion bay for SSD storage. For SSD drives that you can't even buy (performance wise) today, those things must be hotter than your average SSD..at least I'd imagine so. Allowing for up to TWO of those, hot storage devices internal to the case, plus the APU...power supply. Unless the thing is using liquid nitrogen for cooling, I think it has to be a decent size. It will be very curious to see if and how Microsoft and Sony go about releasing 'slim' versions of these consoles down the road. If they even can!
Cool vids Sharkey! Thanks!
Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
Sup
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
You 're welcome
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
PS5 is bigger than the original Xbox OG. On the plus side, you can stand it vertical. Don't think you could do that with the first Xbox.
PS5: 15.4 x 4.1 x 10.2 in
Xbox OG: 12.5 × 4 × 10.5 in
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TheGreatWhiteShark
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yeah, it is a little bigger that OG xbox, but a lot more awkward
I also found augmented reality videos showing ps5 and series x next to each other and one does not fit/compliment the other at all.
Seperated, each to either side of tv is the only possible placement
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BlueXImpulse
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beat me to it
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My Dad would have approved of PS5. He'd look at it and say yeah that's a lot of weight and size for the money .
I still remember his shock reaction back in 1989, when he gave me $350 (Est) to purchase 1MB ram expansion for my Amiga 500. It came via post, in a small envelope and was 1/2 the size of vertical slice of Mars bar. He honestly thought that I got stooged.
.I still remember his shock reaction back in 1989, when he gave me $350 (Est) to purchase 1MB ram expansion for my Amiga 500. It came via post, in a small envelope and was 1/2 the size of vertical slice of Mars bar. He honestly thought that I got stooged.
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Sinthor
Gold Member
Oh...shit. I had the wrong numbers for the PS5 dimensions. Ok...well those AR vids probably are pretty much accurate then. PS5 is a big girl! I'm still very curious to see a teardown as I'm thinking there has to be a good bit of space dedicated to airflow and that expansion drive.... maybe not. Where's the freaking tear down video!!!!
I have enough room on my shelf to put it sideways...at least that's how I'm thinking she'll be setup. I'd probably have to put it right on the side of my TV and TV stand if I stood it up and....I have cats so I'm not sure about that. Can't imagine the thing is actually heavy enough to be cat proof. So on her side it is...that's the plan.
On another note... I just KNOW you were dancing along to that shark gif,
TheGreatWhiteShark
. You can try to deny it...but we KNOW! But hey...thanks for 'taking us along with you' on those vids! (I am on such a ridiculous roll tonight!)
MrPotato
Member
I was gonna ask, r u me?
Md Ray
Member
Bullshit. It's the smallest difference we've had since PS4 & XB1, and XB1X & Pro.
Difference between RTX 3080 and 3090 is 6 TF. An XB1X worth of TF difference. 30 vs 36 TF.
In percentage, that's just 20% more TF in favour of 3090. Guess what the real world perf difference is between these two GPUs using same arch? On avg. just 10% more perf for 3090 in 4K despite being 20% (6TF) more powerful on paper.
XSX has 18% advantage on paper in terms of TF over PS5, but on avg. its real world perf won't be 18% more for sure.
kyliethicc
Member
La Flame!
ethomaz
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kyliethicc
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Sony and Microsoft are both "embracing the meme" as a marketing approach to console design.
They all know the reactions the consoles will get. They love the attention.
But the sizes (volumes) are defined by the thermals and internals.
They all know the reactions the consoles will get. They love the attention.
But the sizes (volumes) are defined by the thermals and internals.
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TheGreatWhiteShark
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I dont want to say that you are the one talking bullshit
But you are
A 3080 at 4k will run FS2020 at the 40's
A 3090 at 4k at the 60's
Now try moving up to 8k
About the consoles and their difference, I won't even bother to answer to you.
pretty soon you will get your answers from vg tech, df, nx gamer etc.
And either behave or you know how its gonna play... ignore list etc
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Ptarmiganx2
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Mods I can verify this.I prefer the beer battered cod sandwich form Arby's.
I had it with extra tater sauce, it’s legit.
Sinthor
Gold Member
I THINK I see where you're going with this? You're saying that like with the graphic cards, a specific percentage difference in theoretical performance (TF) may be wider due to other factors. Like If you had two cards, one with 10% TF peak higher than the other, but it also uses higher speed memory, bus, etc...it could actually outperform by a wider margin, right? Makes sense to me.
As you said we'll have to see, but I think this is dead on rather than just focusing on numbers because at least so far, we've been seeing titles from 3rd parties with the same specs on both machines and devs "rumors" that they perform very similarly. We'll see though and depending on those other factors that may or may not STAY the case as developers get more familiar with the architectures. For example, SOME recent reports anyway, indicate that the dev tools for XSX went thru a significant change as the toolkit is designed to allow deployment across the Xbox family and PC. That may be putting devs behind the curve for their Xbox products, in comparison to PS5 which dev comments seem to indicate has a toolkit that is pretty much the same as it was for PS4, just scaled up for the new hardware and capabilities. So those same developers may be further ahead in the curve with PS5 due to higher familiarity with the development tools.
We'll have to see how this generation goes. Should be interesting. Definitely a lot of cool possibilities for these boxes. I'm still just very impressed to see the level of ray tracing that we've been seeing so far. When all this started, I thought that RT was going to be just a buzzword and capability that would barely be used at all, IF at all. So seeing how much it's being used right now (although obviously still nowhere near full path tracing) is making me a bit more excited to see how things progress as developers work thru their normal ramp ups with new consoles. Should be very cool!
Lethal01
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Ptarmiganx2
Member
So you’re saying UE5 was actually running in dreams. Confirmed! More legit than Shark’s sources.
Sinthor
Gold Member
I am so surprised to keep seeing such amazing things done in Dreams by these people. People that apparently ARE NOT even professionals in the game arena? All I know is that I can't draw. My STICK FIGURE people look horrid! So I really wish I could do stuff like this...just no way. Sure is neat seeing what new things people keep pulling off though.
Hey, on another note...does anyone have a recommendation for a good, solid and reliable USB drive to use with one of the new consoles to archive older games, etc.? Are there any specific drives that work better for that versus your typical WD USB laptop backup drive?
existensmaximum
Member
Welcome!
I also hope the UI will be ridiculously fast, as well as the time to cold boot the console. Actually, I would be really disappointed if it's not.
aclar00
Member
I dont think 1st party studios have to keep supporting it...i dont think they normally do beyong the first year of the new console release. Its the 3rd parties that tend to support the older consoles longer. Also, they do make mote money off of software right? They essentially have to start all over again with PS5 and the turned to profit would would be at least a year or 2 down the road once software can overtake the loss caused by the hardware. PS4 would help mitigate this.
It would be like Apple deleting the App store from old devices everytime a new one comes out. They wouldnt want to do that, instead its better to gradually reduce support for older devices, even if there is overlap.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Well, welcome to GAF over all then! This thread has certainly gone on longer than many of us thought it would but I've found that there are generally a lot of good threads and info available for gamers on this site. Look forward to seeing your comments and contributions in the future!
lepermessiah
Member
SeCrEt SaUce vs not so secret FUD, I know what's been in greater abundance.
aclar00
Member
I would assume the network would be the main thing to hold the UI back. The Ui itself should be smooth, but all the extras that require an internet connection may still be slow.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Bingo. So take the store for example. Should load up instantly and have the menus, but the pictures of the various games will still depend on your connection for how fast they load. I'm just hopeful that the lousy network performance consoles in general have had in the past (especially playstation) has been addressed this time around. With some of the other focus shown there like with WiFi-6 support, etc. I'm thinking it's more likely that it has been addressed. But we'll see. Part of the reason I still want to see a lot more of these systems. We need more of what like Microsoft released showing the resume of games for example. I want to se a PS5 video of say...launching Demons Souls or one of the other titles and starting a new game- to see how it performs. Same on the Xbox side. Hopefully we'll get that over the next few weeks!
Damn...I still keep finding myself using 'hopefully' WAY too much in posts like these. It really does feel like there's still a lot we haven't seen and don't know about these boxes.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The Xbox One UI has always had a lot of functionality and updates but would slow to a crawl. It was the store where things would snail pace it chugging while it loads game icons and if you had video previews auto playing. But their latest update (I got it around a week ago) is fast. The redid some of the layout too which probably helps.
Crossing fingers it remains just as fast on Series X. By the sounds of it, it'll be the same UI.
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magnumpy
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it's still possible to "fake" most things intelligently. either through caching or making "intelligent" guesses. this would be highly dependent on domain specific applications, and it's just as possible to do it poorly as it is to do it well, but I wouldn't write off either sony or microsoft from doing this well. but ultimately of course the proof is in the pudding, and of course we'll see how things turn out, but knock on wood here's hoping they find a way to blow us away here. there is certainly enough economic impetus to succeed here. knock on wood, here's hoping they blow us all away
Ptarmiganx2
Member
Dude Key of Awesome does the best parodies!
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Most people who are saying there's a big difference are Xbox fans. NX Gamer and others have said the difference is not big but this gets ignored for obvious reasons.
The reason why RTX 3090 can do 8K gaming MUCH better than a RTX 3080 is due to video memory. It's 10GB vs 24GB. The higher resolution you have, the more VRAM is generally required.
You can look here and see that several games require more than 10GB of VRAM, exceeding the amount of the RTX 3080, but more than enough for the RTX 3090.
Both Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5 both have 16GB worth if shared memory. Xbox Series X has a split memory and the Playstation 5 doesn't.
You can look at the TF difference and know that the gap is bigger between the RTX 3090/ 3090 vs the PS5 and XsX and yet many people say the performance difference between RTX 3090/3080 is not that big
teacupcopter
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Do we have a dedicated PS5 Thread?
I feel like there is so much misinformation / lack of information on the backwards compatibility.
I don't mind having to pay for a proper remaster. And I know some games have announced different things. But for example let's take Cyberpunk 2077.
They've said it'll play on PS5, "and better" (what does that mean?) but a full "next gen" patch will be hitting in 2021.
So when I pop in my PS4 Cyberpunk Disc into my PS5, will I be playing
1. The PS4 Pro version with NOTHING at all improved?
or
2. The PS4 Pro version but uprezzed to full 4K, higher framerate, better loading etc?
(Later obviously with the patch great I'll be playing the PS5 version)
Have they confirmed uprezzing/framerate will be an option?
I feel like there is so much misinformation / lack of information on the backwards compatibility.
I don't mind having to pay for a proper remaster. And I know some games have announced different things. But for example let's take Cyberpunk 2077.
They've said it'll play on PS5, "and better" (what does that mean?) but a full "next gen" patch will be hitting in 2021.
So when I pop in my PS4 Cyberpunk Disc into my PS5, will I be playing
1. The PS4 Pro version with NOTHING at all improved?
or
2. The PS4 Pro version but uprezzed to full 4K, higher framerate, better loading etc?
(Later obviously with the patch great I'll be playing the PS5 version)
Have they confirmed uprezzing/framerate will be an option?
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