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duhmetree

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What I do not get from Microsofts perspective... They announced NeXtbox in 2017... How do they not have a new game to show off their hardware? They've had MORE THAN enough time. Halo bombed. Wheres Forza? A new Ori? Even Hellblade would have been sufficient. How do they have nothing? That is 100% on management. Everything is 3rd party with 'optimizations'. That is unacceptable. Is there a game I'm missing?

Sony has SpiderMan, Godfall, Ratchet and Clank, Sackboy and Demon Souls at launch along with 3rd parties. That's infinitely better than nothing.
 
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Killer Sakoman

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duhmetree said:
What I do not get from Microsofts perspective... They announced NeXtbox in 2017... How do they not have a new game to show off their hardware? They've had MORE THAN enough time. Halo bombed. Wheres Forza? A new Ori? Even Hellblade would have been sufficient. How do they have nothing? That is 100% on management. Everything is 3rd party with 'optimizations'. That is unacceptable. Is there a game I'm missing?

Sony has SpiderMan, Godfall, Ratchet and Clank, Sackboy and Demon Souls at launch along with 3rd parties. That's infinitely better than nothing.
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Because when they announced the nextbox in 2017 they said that they won't do generations anymore. They believe in incremental upgrades like PC. They took the impression that Sony was doing the same because of PS4pro.
They also introduced GamePass and promised all games to release on it day one. Thus, they won't spend money on high budget games. They cannot. They have to relay on smaller games that have short development cycle in order to fill GP with content. Thus there was no need ( in their view) to develop real next gen games.
 
sircaw

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duhmetree said:
What I do not get from Microsofts perspective... They announced NeXtbox in 2017... How do they not have a new game to show off their hardware? They've had MORE THAN enough time. Halo bombed. Wheres Forza? A new Ori? Even Hellblade would have been sufficient. How do they have nothing? That is 100% on management. Everything is 3rd party with 'optimizations'. That is unacceptable. Is there a game I'm missing?

Sony has SpiderMan, Godfall, Ratchet and Clank, Sackboy and Demon Souls at launch along with 3rd parties. That's infinitely better than nothing.
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They were caught in two minds somewhere down the line, that's why there messaging was so mixed, we don't care about exclusives but we do now.

They have royally fucked themselves for the start of this generation, in many ways i suspect that's why they spent so much money in acquiring the latest studious, to paste over the incompetence of this launch.

It gives the rabid fanboys something to cheer about and with it not having any games, that can't be heard over the we got 12 tflops nonsense.

Normal xbox fans/users are like where are the games? please show us, i want to buy your system just show me the games.
 
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Dave_at_Home

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sircaw said:
They were caught in two minds somewhere down the line, that's why there messaging was so mixed, we don't care about exclusives but we do now.

They have royally fucked themselves for the start of this generation, in many ways i suspect that's why they spent so much money in acquiring the latest studious, to paste of the incompetence of this launch.

It gives the rabid fanboys to cheer about and with it not having games can't be heard over the we got 12 tflops nonsense.

Normal xbox fans/users are like where are the games? please show us, i want to buy your system just show me the games.
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I'm in the same boat. I like the idea of Game Pass, but you also have to entice me with killer exclusives. Bethesda is a big get for Microsoft, but I've never been a fan of their games, so we'll see what happens down the line. I'll probably pick up a Series X when they start showing off great exclusive stuff. Game Pass for most stuff, but Sony for the exclusives seems to be my main route.

Still also have to buy a new TV. Honestly disappointed across the board for this years TV's. Hopefully TCL's Vidrian can knock it out of the park.
 
Bo_Hazem

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HeisenbergFX4 said:
Do we expect the XSX preview NDAs to drop Monday? Tuesday? When?

Bo_Hazem Bo_Hazem I did find out I have a PS5 secured. Now lets bring on the comparison videos I doubt I keep both PS5 and XSX lets see how close these 2 actually are.
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Love restored.

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sircaw

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Dave_at_Home said:
I'm in the same boat. I like the idea of Game Pass, but you also have to entice me with killer exclusives. Bethesda is a big get for Microsoft, but I've never been a fan of their games, so we'll see what happens down the line. I'll probably pick up a Series X when they start showing off great exclusive stuff. Game Pass for most stuff, but Sony for the exclusives seems to be my main route.

Still also have to buy a new TV. Honestly disappointed across the board for this years TV's. Hopefully TCL's Vidrian can knock it out of the park.
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There are a lot of things now that Microsoft has in their quiver but the terrible truth for them is someone fucked up in the planning department.

To me they seem like they are 3-4 years away from where they should be in terms of competing with Sony.

If say we had all those studios pumping out games right now, this second, a new doom, a new dishonored, fallout, avowed fable etc etc, this launch would of be on fire for them.

I personally think the ps5 is the better-designed console, better ssd, better sound engine, better controller and probably better-customnised silicon. But to me what matters more is the games, thats it.

If Microsoft had all those studios ready to launch games right now or in the next 1 year, i would of considered an xbox for sure. but I can't wait 4 years to play games,

With sony i know i am getting quality on days one, the demon souls demo is remarkable. As for Microsoft, i would love to try out some of there games in the future, i will probably just wait till gamespass comes to ps5 to do it.
 
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Bo_Hazem said:
Love restored.

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the next goal is to convince him to ditch that evil box :messenger_halo:


Dave_at_Home said:
I'm in the same boat. I like the idea of Game Pass, but you also have to entice me with killer exclusives. Bethesda is a big get for Microsoft, but I've never been a fan of their games, so we'll see what happens down the line. I'll probably pick up a Series X when they start showing off great exclusive stuff. Game Pass for most stuff, but Sony for the exclusives seems to be my main route.

Still also have to buy a new TV. Honestly disappointed across the board for this years TV's. Hopefully TCL's Vidrian can knock it out of the park.
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same about game pass. but no XSX for me. i will get a killer GPU in 2023, paired with the new CPU and very likely the new corresponding board design to truly take advantage of the SSD. to me PC hasn't entered next-gen yet.
 
Neo Blaster

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kyliethicc said:
So is burn in. Thats my fear with OLED. LCDs cost less, and are safer investment. Plus, I don't sit off axis so viewing angles don't matter to me.

That Sony X900H looks like a very appealing TV for the price.
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Dude, I had four plasma tvs spanning 11 years, never had a single burn-in problem. OLED tvs offer really good image quality, I'm not restraining myself from that just because of an exception. Just watch varied content and avoid static images and logos and you're safe.
 
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duhmetree

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sircaw said:
They were caught in two minds somewhere down the line, that's why there messaging was so mixed, we don't care about exclusives but we do now.

They have royally fucked themselves for the start of this generation, in many ways i suspect that's why they spent so much money in acquiring the latest studious, to paste over the incompetence of this launch.

It gives the rabid fanboys something to cheer about and with it not having any games, that can't be heard over the we got 12 tflops nonsense.

Normal xbox fans/users are like where are the games? please show us, i want to buy your system just show me the games.
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At what point is Spencer's job on the line? This is inexcusable but I guess if they're making money with Game Pass.... who cares.
 
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sircaw said:
There are a lot of things now that Microsoft has in their quiver but the terrible truth for them is someone fucked up in the planning department.

To me they seem like they are 3-4 years away from where they should be in terms of competing with Sony.

If say we had all those studios pumping out games right now, this second, a new doom, a new dishonored, fallout, avowed fable etc etc, this launch would of be on fire for them.

I personally think the ps5 is the better-designed console, better ssd, better sound engine, better controller and probably better silicon. But to me what matters more is the games, thats it.

If Microsoft had all those studios ready to launch games right now or in the next 1 year, i would of considered an xbox for sure. but I can't wait 4 years to play games,

With sony i know i am getting quality, Microsoft, i would love to try out some of there games in the future, i will probably just wait till gamespass comes to ps5 to do it.
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Sony is gearing up to weather a PR shitstorm once the PS5 actually ends up in people's hands. I wouldn't be so confident that they are going to stay competitive. I know people don't want to hear this but it is becoming harder to deny as the launch date approaches.
 
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kyliethicc

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HeisenbergFX4 said:
Do we expect the XSX preview NDAs to drop Monday? Tuesday? When?

Bo_Hazem Bo_Hazem I did find out I have a PS5 secured. Now lets bring on the comparison videos I doubt I keep both PS5 and XSX lets see how close these 2 actually are.
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I bet almost every single multi-platform game will run at the same resolution and frame rate on both consoles.

Same game on both. PS5 will boot the game a bit faster. Thats it.

The only games with significant differences will be exclusives.
 
Vae_Victis

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duhmetree said:
What I do not get from Microsofts perspective... They announced NeXtbox in 2017... How do they not have a new game to show off their hardware? They've had MORE THAN enough time. Halo bombed. Wheres Forza? A new Ori? Even Hellblade would have been sufficient. How do they have nothing? That is 100% on management. Everything is 3rd party with 'optimizations'. That is unacceptable. Is there a game I'm missing?

Sony has SpiderMan, Godfall, Ratchet and Clank, Sackboy and Demon Souls at launch along with 3rd parties. That's infinitely better than nothing.
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They bet everything on Halo, and it went horribly. Possibly one or two more games behind the curtains might have been intended for a launch window, but the development was slowed down so much that they have been moved to the very end of 2021 or straight to 2022 (like Forza).

During this generation Microsoft's console exclusive output has been abysmal in comparison to what they could and intended to do. Twice they publicly announced a game and then had to cancel it before release (Phantom Dust and Scalebound), more came out severely downgraded or very unfinished (Master Chief Collection, State of Decay 2, Crackdown 3, Sea of Thieves), and the rest of their AAA was fine but generally considered either mediocre or too iterative (Forza Motorsport 6 & 7, Forza Horizon 3, Halo 5, Gears 4 & 5).

The scary trend for Microsoft is that several of their studios seem to go downhill over time, rather than consolidate and get into the rhythm for producing good games at a steady pace. Rare was butchered by a generation and a half spent producing nothing but Kinect shovelware, and the release of Halo MCC was not the wake-up call 343 needed it to be (and if possible it seems things are even more chaotic internally now). Huge question marks still linger over Ninja Theory (Bleeding Edge was mediocre, and they are taking absolutely forever for apparently no progress at all on Hellblade 2), Double Fine (why the hell does it take 5+ years to develop an AA that borderline looks like it could run on an Xbox 360?), Undead Labs (took them 5 years to publish basically the same game again, but more broken than the first time) and probably more minor ones I've forgotten about.

Microsoft also have a few solid first parties capable of releasing good games at a decent pace (The Coalition, Playground Games, Moon Studios), but they are definitely in the minority among a lot of mediocre, disfunctional or unproductive studios they have ended up collecting over the years.
 
duhmetree

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sircaw said:
There are a lot of things now that Microsoft has in their quiver but the terrible truth for them is someone fucked up in the planning department.

To me they seem like they are 3-4 years away from where they should be in terms of competing with Sony.

If say we had all those studios pumping out games right now, this second, a new doom, a new dishonored, fallout, avowed fable etc etc, this launch would of be on fire for them.

I personally think the ps5 is the better-designed console, better ssd, better sound engine, better controller and probably better-customnised silicon. But to me what matters more is the games, thats it.

If Microsoft had all those studios ready to launch games right now or in the next 1 year, i would of considered an xbox for sure. but I can't wait 4 years to play games,

With sony i know i am getting quality, Microsoft, i would love to try out some of there games in the future, i will probably just wait till gamespass comes to ps5 to do it.
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Sadly, Microsoft has very little to entice me. Fallout 3 and Skyrim were the last games I've enjoyed from Zenimax. I'm not a Halo fan. Gears was fun during the x360 era, not now. Not a fan of racing games. Fallout 5, Starfield and/or Elder Scrolls are the only games that would peak my interest in the future. I'd play them on PC as well. IMO those games are a waaaaays out... like 2022-2023. Their cupboard is bare.. Gamespass is helping them though
 
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HeisenbergFX4

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kyliethicc said:
I bet almost every single multi-platform game will run at the same resolution and frame rate on both consoles.

Same game on both. PS5 will boot the game a bit faster. Thats it.

The only games with significant differences will be exclusives.
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I agree.

I keep saying when Digital Foundry said awhile back they had to find a better way to compare the two consoles than pixel counting that told me they would be nearly identical.
 
kyliethicc

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Neo Blaster said:
Just watch varied content and avoid static images and logos and you're safe.
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That doesn't work for me. I don't want to even have to think about that. Static menus in gaming (like the PS5 home screen) will be harmless for me, cause I'm sticking with LED LCD.

Last thing I want to worry about is the UI from a game I play all the time burning in lol. I don't need perfect blacks to enjoy a game. Plus I can save cash by not overpaying for OLED.

But for anyone who loves OLED TVs, thats cool too. Enjoy!
 
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Tripolygon

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Variable rate shading. You know the thing that some people seem to be happy about saying the PS5 does not have. Reduces the resolution of some parts of an image depending on how aggressive it is implemented. Halo uses VRS.
 
zaitsu

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kyliethicc said:
That doesn't work for me. I don't want to even have to think about that. Static menus in gaming (like the PS5 home screen) will be harmless for me, cause I'm sticking with LED LCD.

Last thing I want to worry about is the UI from a game I play all the time burning in lol. I don't need perfect blacks to enjoy a game. Plus I can save cash by not overpaying for OLED.

But for anyone who loves OLED TVs, thats cool too. Enjoy!
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I dont think buying oled is overpaying.
You pay for what you get - best image quality available.
 
sircaw

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duhmetree said:
At what point is Spencer's job on the line? This is inexcusable but I guess if they're making money with Game Pass.... who cares.
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I think he is safe for the moment, and will be promoted up or sideways in a few years.

A woman will probably take his place, Microsoft love good virtual signaling pr, especially after seeing that halo picture. It is probaly something they will want to shout that from the roof tops.

But that's just my guess.
 
MasterCornholio

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lastmessiah said:
Sony is gearing up to weather a PR shitstorm once the PS5 actually ends up in people's hands. I wouldn't be so confident that they are going to stay competitive. I know people don't want to hear this but it is becoming harder to deny as the launch date approaches.
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You mean the Digital Foundry comparisons or are you suggesting there's something fundamentally wrong with the retail console?

There's a big difference between inferior multiplats and broken consoles.
 
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duhmetree

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Vae_Victis said:
They bet everything on Halo, and it went horribly. Possibly one or two more games behind the curtains might have been intended for a launch window, but the development was slowed down so much that they have been moved to the very end of 2021 or straight to 2022 (like Forza).

During this generation Microsoft's console exclusive output has been abysmal in comparison to what they could and intended to do. Twice they publicly announced a game and then had to cancel it before release (Phantom Dust and Scalebound), more came out severely downgraded or very unfinished (Master Chief Collection, State of Decay 2, Crackdown 3, Sea of Thieves), and the rest of their AAA was fine but generally considered either mediocre or too iterative (Forza Motorsport 6 & 7, Forza Horizon 3, Halo 5, Gears 4 & 5).

The scary trend for Microsoft is that several of their studios seem to go downhill over time, rather than consolidate and get into the rhythm for producing good games at a steady pace. Rare was butchered by a generation and a half spent producing nothing but Kinect shovelware, and the release of Halo MCC was not the wake-up call 343 needed it to be (and if possible it seems things are even more chaotic internally now). Huge question marks still linger over Ninja Theory (Bleeding Edge was mediocre, and they are taking absolutely forever for apparently no progress at all on Hellblade 2), Double Fine (why the hell does it take 5+ years to develop an AA that borderline looks like it could run on an Xbox 360?), Undead Labs (took them 5 years to publish basically the same game again, but more broken than the first time) and probably more minor ones I've forgotten about.

Microsoft also have a few solid first parties capable of releasing good games at a decent pace (The Coalition, Playground Games, Moon Studios), but they are definitely in the minority among a lot of mediocre, disfunctional or unproductive studios they have ended up collecting over the years.
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At what point to 3rd party publishers reject Game Pass?

Will it start to hit their ( developers ) bottom line? What does Microsft give them in return?
 
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