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[duhmetree]

Are they? Mind you this is two months ago, but still...

Xbox Game Pass "not a big profit play" in the short term, says Xbox marketing boss

Microsoft is playing the long game with Xbox Game Pass.

www.vg247.com

Its the Amazon/Netflix mould.. They operate at losses but their engagement rate/subscriptions is what matters. They have the resources to operate at losses in the interim

But they need EXCLUSIVES. Amazon has EXCLUSIVES and offers exclusive services for Prime. Netflix has EXCLUSIVES.

How long until other 3rd party publisher don't go along with it? Or it starts affect 3rd party sales? What compensation is Microsoft giving 3rd party devs/publishers? If they're compensated heavily, how is the profit margin on Microsofts end?

 

[MasterCornholio]

bookmarked

I'm actually expecting the XsX to win multiplat comparisons. But there's this fear that the PS5 will launch with a ton of hardware issues due to the theory of some last minute changes. I don't think the last thing will be true.

Edit: To be perfectly honest I believe there's going to be a PR disaster with the VA. So in the end each side will have their own PR problems to deal with.

 

[SlimySnake]

Horizon looks absolutely magnificent on this guy's LG OLED.

 

[Rea]

If this is what 1440p looks like next gen, maybe the Series S isn't such a bad bet after all

Too bad, Microsoft don't have dev likes bluepoint.

 

[Wraith Phantom]

DLSS 2.0 is superior to Checkerboard rendering.

We're looking for performance equivalent OR BETTER to DLSS 2.0. 1440P with GOOD super sampling seems to be the way to go. We dont know what AMD has but Checkerboard rendering, as is, is not a suitable answer

Big man I was never arguing the better version. For me DLSS has got silly hype. For something that already exist. Sure DLSS is marketed well.But In console space. The players don't care about super sampling.This isn't even a convo amongst casuals. Me personally Im just not worried about the equivalent tech. When I know the tech has been in development since 4 years ago on the PS4pro before the PC space. Image quality is what sony do in their sleep.Now with these new PS5 hardware specs. An Improved version is due

There's nothing to worry about here. Sony will deliver. Looking at Demon Souls. I think we are good. I only care about PS. Fuck PC gaming. But Im sure AMD will borrow Sonys tech or vice versa , whatever weird deal they got going on. AMD will have something. No need to sweat. You will get what you want.

Gotta say I'm not impressed at all.

Doesn't look great. Could be early dev build. But I said it before. Nobody was checking for Bethesda games this gen. Why would we check for them next gen?? I don't know if people actually look around at the landscape. Or it's just neogaf/internet bubble. JRPG dominate the RPG genre now.JRPG type games are gold standard now. Stuff like fallout ,outer worlds are not the go to. It's a Monster Hunter World now. Western RPGs are on decline at least on consoles. The RPG genre is also going to get blurred next gen with with more co-op games from DC, Avengers, Granblue Fantasy Re-link & more. If bethesda are going for the same old template their going to flop & their games will officially be straight to gamepass fodder.

 

[smallpotatosan]

I'm actually expecting the XsX to win multiplat comparisons. But there's this fear that the PS5 will launch with a ton of hardware issues due to the theory of some last minute changes. I don't think the last thing will be true.

Edit: To be perfectly honest I believe there's going to be a PR disaster with the VA. So in the end each side will have their own PR problems to deal with.

I don’t expect XSX to win the comparison in the near term.

 

[duhmetree]

Big man I was never arguing the better version. For me DLSS has got silly hype. For something that already exist. Sure DLSS is marketed well.
But In console space. The players don't care about super sampling.This isn't even a convo amongst casuals. Me personally Im just not worried about the equivalent tech. When I know the tech has been in development since 4 years ago on the PS4pro before the PC space. Image quality is what sony do in their sleep.Now with these new PS5 hardware specs. Improved version is due

There's nothing to worry about here. Sony will deliver. Looking at Demon Souls. I think we are good. I only care about PS. Fuck PC gaming. But Im sure AMD will borrow Sonys tech or vice versa , whatever weird deal they got going on. AMD will have something. No need to sweat. You will get what you want.

I'm not worried but AMD needs a DLSS equivalent at the least, if not better. That's all I was saying. They haven't talked about much, hopefully by the end of October everything is in place. Demon Souls did look great.

I think this gen will be all about supersampling and efficient processing

 

[yewles1]

I'm actually expecting the XsX to win multiplat comparisons. But there's this fear that the PS5 will launch with a ton of hardware issues due to the theory of some last minute changes. I don't think the last thing will be true.

Edit: To be perfectly honest I believe there's going to be a PR disaster with the VA. So in the end each side will have their own PR problems to deal with.

I could be wrong about this, but why do I have a feeling the XS won't launch with DirectStorage drivers?

 

[Loxus]

Variable rate shading. You know the thing that some people seem to be happy about saying the PS5 does not have. Reduces the resolution of some parts of an image depending on how aggressive it is implemented. Halo uses VRS.

Idk, but when Cerny said “Using Primitive Shaders on PS5 will allow for a board variety of techniques including, smoothly varying level of detail, addition of procedural detail to close up objects and improvements to practical effects and other visual practical effects.”
I thought "smoothly varying level of detail" was him quickly describing VRS.
Varying level of detail obviously will use lees GPU power.

VRS: It works by varying the number of pixels that can be processed by a single pixel shader operation, using less GPU power to less detailed areas.

 

[Zadom]

I am curious about no games shown on Xbox series X. Shouldn’t games be being printed to disks now? If not now, when? Shouldn’t they be running on the box to be printed?
Weird, but as long as I saw PS5 games running I am fine.

 

[LordOfChaos]

 

[MasterCornholio]

I don’t expect XSX to win the comparison in the near term.

They kind of have to after selling their system as the most powerful one. If they don't it will be a disaster.

I still believe they will win the comparisons.

 

[Grinchy]

Horizon looks absolutely magnificent on this guy's LG OLED.

Yeah, I got a direct feed download and played it on a CX and it looked insane.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Too bad, Microsoft don't have dev likes bluepoint.

I know Bluepoint is practically a Sony studio at this point, but they definitely should secure their talent by bringing them to PS Studios.

 

[Neo Blaster]

There must have blood stains on his keyboard at this moment.

 

[spartan30gr]

The lighting and it’s reaction to the stone like texture of that creature is next level, also this!

This is a cgi in real time! gameplay!!
Take my money bluepoint

 

[IbelieveInGenerations]

I'm here to provide evidence for their BS, and for their blind apologists. I can do this endlessly and it'll only get more embarrassing for the green side. Low effort FUD again from DF.

Lets get in touch with KingTrashGaming and once again expose DF for good

 

[Dave_at_Home]

Dude, I had four plasma tvs spanning 11 years, never had a single burn-in problem. OLED tvs offer really good image quality, I'm not restraining myself from that just because of an exception. Just watch varied content and avoid static images and logos and you're safe.

Thing is, though...it's not a matter of if, but a matter of when. Outside of being self-emissive, they're pretty different. The red, green, and blue OLED structures decay at different rates. Again, you can mitigate the breakdown for a long time, hopefully years with varied content. With that said, bright and colorful images will cause the fastest decay.

With all that in mind, I'm still leaning OLED for my next TV purchase, but we'll see.

 

[ZehDon]

I could be wrong about this, but why do I have a feeling the XS won't launch with DirectStorage drivers?

Lol, no. To be clear, it's literally built into the consoles at a fundamental level. It's not some optional component of the machine that can be turned on or off - it's a fundamental piece of its operation. No DirectStorage, no access to I/O on the Xbox consoles.
It's not a driver - its an I/O API that was created with the high speeds provided by the new generation of storage in mind. NVidia have already adopted it, and Microsoft are bringing it across to Windows in 2021 to update their outdated I/O protocols. Worry not.

 

[smallpotatosan]

They kind of have to after selling their system as the most powerful one. If they don't it will be a disaster.

I still believe they will win the comparisons.

didn’t they already change the narrative to the most powerful Xbox instead?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Heard Kingthrash plug you and Gaf on the most recent Roundtable about 48 minutes in Bo_Hazem

 

[Neo Blaster]

Thing is, though...it's not a matter of if, but a matter of when. Outside of being self-emissive, they're pretty different. The red, green, and blue OLED structures decay at different rates. Again, you can mitigate the breakdown for a long time, hopefully years with varied content. With that said, bright and colorful images will cause the fastest decay.

With all that in mind, I'm still leaning OLED for my next TV purchase, but we'll see.

I've read about OLED decay, and honestly, by the time the organic materials on the screen reach a 25% reduction in brightness, the TV will probably already have stopped functioning due to problems in other parts.

 

[Dolomite]

https://gamerant.com/the-initiative-game-xbox-playable/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

C'mon baby!! Let's get a trailer popping

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

i have met a couple of Aussies in my life, no disrespect, but it's kinda a good thing you guys are isolated out there.


Fucking NUTTAS i tell ya
Even there Shelias are crazy,
All their animals look fucking weird.
Their snakes, spiders,cane toads, box jelly fish, bullet ants all that shit are some of the nastiest things on the planet too.

And then there are their Cricketers, worse than god damn Liverpool scum. Is that even possible.

Other than that, i love you, your dirty dingo. Wave.

We're not all that bad

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

Waiting for some juicy shit!

Wrong version of that gif you need this one now....

 

[Tchu-Espresso]

4K 30FPs
1440P 60FPs (confirmned locked in the video)

That's pretty nice to be honest. Also even at 1440P they are using techniques to produce a really clear and crisp image. No claims of soupiness here.

To be honest, no one was even able to tell it wasn’t 4K until DF brought out the magnifying glass.

4K is extremely overrated and hardly warranted in light of today’s reconstruction techniques.

Mind you, the 4K mode might have increased visual fidelity, depending on the use of ray tracing.

 

[MasterCornholio]

To be honest, no one was even able to tell it wasn’t 4K until DF brought out the magnifying glass.

4K is extremely overrated and hardly warranted in light of today’s reconstruction techniques.

To be fair the only game that I've played that seemed like a blurry mess to me was Killzone 2. But that was mostly due to the QAA that ruined the image quality.

 

[Sinthor]

I think I found their new secret, better way. It's called blatantly lying.

So what's the deal with that and those screenshots/videos you mentioned in the thread? What did I miss?

 

[yewles1]

Sinthor DF claims DS performance mode is 1440p, Bo is showing otherwise and it may erupt into another callout.

 

[Aladin]

I was posting that an average xbox gamer is richer, spends more than avg playstation gamer. GAFfers did not believe me. Here comes the proof.

These two explain how Xbox has a superior attach rate than Playstation.

Extrapolating from ubisoft platform sales data, ~80mn xbox sales is equal to 100mn playstation sales*(Opinion).

 

[Hawking Radiation]

They were caught in two minds somewhere down the line, that's why there messaging was so mixed, we don't care about exclusives but we do now.

They have royally fucked themselves for the start of this generation, in many ways i suspect that's why they spent so much money in acquiring the latest studious, to paste over the incompetence of this launch.

It gives the rabid fanboys something to cheer about and with it not having any games, that can't be heard over the we got 12 tflops nonsense.

Normal xbox fans/users are like where are the games? please show us, i want to buy your system just show me the games.

Crossed my mind many times over the past few months as we got to learn more about the launches for both Sony and MS.

GamePass to be used to mask the entry into next gen with next to no 1st party exclusives coming to an Xbox console. The first in history. Even the original Xbox had a couple of exclusives on launch. This Series X has none. Now that has to be concerning for some Xbox fans.
Not writing off GamePass, its a fantastic service and even myself I'm contemplating getting an Xbox for it as I already have a subscription now.

But going by this forum over the last few days, it has become about celebrating studio acquisitions rather than questioning what's available at launch to play on my shiny new Series X.

It's like Man United at the moment. Have all the money in the world and can buy any football player but ultimately have nothing to show for it but hopes and dreams that the titles will come eventually.

 

[smallpotatosan]

I was posting that an average xbox gamer is richer, spends more than avg playstation gamer. GAFfers did not believe me. Here comes the proof.

These two explain how Xbox has a superior attach rate than Playstation.

Extrapolating from ubisoft platform sales data, ~80mn xbox sales is equal to 100mn playstation sales*(Opinion).

so out of those 434 US respondents, how many of them plan to buy XBOX?

 

[jose4gg]

so out of those 434 US respondents, how many of them plan to buy XBOX?

And how many are planning to buy something the next generation, by the way the Xbox players are talking right now, I don't think a game outside of game pass will have great sales with the majority of the Series S/X buyers...

 

[Tchu-Espresso]

I’ll just say HDR and Oled dont like each other

I’ll just say you are wrong.

 

[Darklor01]

I leave for the night to play some Mafia Definitive Edition and this is what I find when I get back?

One trip to the mall for a PS5 related accessories, and Bo has gone full on one man crusade to expose DF BS?

Wow, remind me to not piss you off on days when you shop bro.

 

[Aladin]

so out of those 434 US respondents, how many of them plan to buy XBOX?

It is a US only study, and to collect socio-economic data 434 sample size is quite significant. IGN twitter voting cannot collect this type of data.

The figure you are asking is posted in previous pages or on Xbox OT.

It is much easier to overrepresented or underrepresent potential xbox ps5 customers (bias), but socio economic data is less likely to be biased. There are various preemptive measures taken to ensure latter, because it is done in almost all the surveys, esp presidential election surveys.

 

[smallpotatosan]

And how many are planning to buy something the next generation, by the way the Xbox players are talking right now, I don't think a game outside of game pass will have great sales with the majority of the Series S/X buyers...

lol, i didn't even want to go there. I'm just super curious about the percentages.

the xbox percentage is just too perfect.

 

[Tchu-Espresso]

If this is what 1440p looks like next gen, maybe the Series S isn't such a bad bet after all

You had a whole generation getting used to 900p. Sounds like you are ready for another.

 

[smallpotatosan]

It is a US only study, and to collect socio-economic data 434 sample size is quite significant. IGN twitter voting cannot collect this type of data.

The figure you are asking is posted in previous pages or on Xbox OT.

can you please help me find a link? thank you.

the thing is if 40 people say they plan to buy XBOX. it is statistically insignificant to make the conclusion of the income distribution within its bucket.

 

[Aladin]

can you please help me find a link? thank you.

the thing is if 40 people say they plan to buy XBOX. it is statistically insignificant to make the conclusion of the income distribution within its bucket.

They all intend to purchase, some not immediately.

 

[Sinthor]

Sinthor DF claims DS performance mode is 1440p, Bo is showing otherwise and it may erupt into another callout.

Ah, I didn't see DF said that. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Maybe dynamic 4k for the 60FPS and RT turned on but 1440? I dunno... Will be interesting to see. Bottom line, that game looks like FIRE! I've pre-ordered it for sure!

 

[Dolomite]

Something something Horse's mouth

 

[bitbydeath]

I'm actually expecting the XsX to win multiplat comparisons. But there's this fear that the PS5 will launch with a ton of hardware issues due to the theory of some last minute changes. I don't think the last thing will be true.

Edit: To be perfectly honest I believe there's going to be a PR disaster with the VA. So in the end each side will have their own PR problems to deal with.

The biggest thing coming is when more people find out Devs aren’t required to make games for XSS.

Woof!

 

[Sinthor]

I was posting that an average xbox gamer is richer, spends more than avg playstation gamer. GAFfers did not believe me. Here comes the proof.

These two explain how Xbox has a superior attach rate than Playstation.

Extrapolating from ubisoft platform sales data, ~80mn xbox sales is equal to 100mn playstation sales*(Opinion).

Are you kidding me?

First the first "proof" is what a SURVEY of "likely buyers?" Ok....like everyone answers surveys accurately AND about what they make?

Secondly...WTF does GDP per Capita have to do with how much money those people make or have to spend? That is ludicrous. Oceania for example, has the highest GDP per capita because that is their economy split amongst the population, which...isn't even CLOSE to the population of Europe or NA.

Sorry, bro, but I don't see this as proof of anything. Attach rates are much higher for PS and that's how many games the average console owner buys. That's about the only solid info I think there is to go on with this kind of thing. Might be overlooking something, I'm sure. But attach rate is a pretty good indicator. I remember Microsoft fans were ALL ABOUT the attach rate early into the 360 era.

 

[B_Boss]

This was probably posted:



...and I swear, ever since I first heard of DS it reminded me of this old gem:

 

[duhmetree]

They all intend to purchase, some not immediately.

OR... The PlayStation player has better games to play than to waste his/her time on Ubisoft.




/s sort of

 

[smallpotatosan]

They all intend to purchase, some not immediately.

thanks, man. do you have the link to the report itself? the number of respondents confused me a lot.

it's good that XBOX is the rich boy's club. Bo should join then!

 

[edotlee]

I was posting that an average xbox gamer is richer, spends more than avg playstation gamer. GAFfers did not believe me. Here comes the proof.

These two explain how Xbox has a superior attach rate than Playstation.

Extrapolating from ubisoft platform sales data, ~80mn xbox sales is equal to 100mn playstation sales*(Opinion).

They all intend to purchase, some not immediately.

PS4 currently has an attach rate of over 11. And we don't know what Microsoft's is because they stopped reporting games sales. So maybe, people who buy Xbox consoles probably do spend more than the whole average of PS4 users, but PS4 has over twice the users so their casual users are going bring down the attach rate. All we can extrapolate from this is that the average Xbox user spends more than a PS4 user on Ubisoft games, that's all. If Capcom or Square Enix did a similar report, I'm guessing it would be heavily in the PS4's favor.

And just to speculate, I'm betting when Game Pass launched in 2017, Xbox's attach rated started to decline.

 

[existensmaximum]

But you know what?
Despite the bugs...
it just works!

It really does, download Fallout 76 right now and start playing, you won't regret it.

Can't tell if you're serious or kidding. The game is complete and utter trash, yes?

 

[Knitted Knight]

But going by this forum over the last few days, it has become about celebrating studio acquisitions rather than questioning what's available at launch to play on my shiny new Series X.

It's like Man United at the moment. Have all the money in the world and can buy any football player but ultimately have nothing to show for it but hopes and dreams that the titles will come eventually.

You can't expect the diehards that have tolerated MS not delivering crap for 7 years to suddenly care? They won't market a perceived negative by demanding better. These fans simply do not care. They're obviously static at the thought of Sony fans losing on content. It's a console war after all. Zero sum game. It's what it's. Those Xbox fans that did care and felt some way about MS's direction and treatment.... those fans either hedged their bets by buying a secondary platform (PlayStation or Nintendo) or fled in exile to PlayStation fullstop. For those that are staying with MS, with a MS or bust mentality; those are all in on the perception management train. So no, it's not about the games, until it's about the games.