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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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LivingD3AD

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Something like this.


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Three Jackdaws

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I'm curious ... if RDNA2 allows such high-clocking ... why didn't MS did the same with the Series X which would produce even MORE TFs at higher clock speeds, especially since it's 'safe' to do so? They couldn't invest as much on a solid cooling solution? And if that high-clocking on the PS5 is 'normal' for RDNA2, why DOES it need a custom-made high quality cooling solution?

Not a tech guy, I'm just wondering.
They could just add boost mode like the ps5 with a bios update without changing the power supply. It would make the system more effecient, but certainly louder

From what I understand features such as high clock speeds, variable frequencies and Smartshift have to be baked into the silicon very very early in the process. It's not something which can just be added on last minute. Then there is the issue of cooling, maybe Microsoft and Sony "could" clock their consoles even higher but then they'll have to ensure the cooling solution would be capable especially in the long term. My guess is there are several other issues that may arise with this but maybe someone more tech savy could give a better answer.
 

onesvenus

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I have a question for those that like to speculate regarding AMD, clock speeds, secret sauce and all those things.

Why is a thin and faster GPU architecture better than a wide and slow one? I keep reading about how it's much better for rendering tasks but it seems to me that all non-RDNA2 architectures focused in increasing the width of GPUs instead of clocks. It seems like if it really were the case that a faster arch is better for the rendering tasks both AMD, NVIDIA and now Intel would focus in that
 

Montauk

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Yes, the dirty money of FUD is doing its magic.

This behaviour is really out of control around here. You can't just go around declaring anything you don't like the sound of 'FUD' (a term that is spammed to the point of absurdity here) on the basis of virtually nothing.

It's a really big claim to say that DF are paid by MS, so where's the 'big' evidence? You guys are beyond paranoid, it seems to be considered entirely normal here to declare any bit of 'negative' (that's very subjective) news to be part of some grand conspiracy.

What has happened to gaming communities that they sound so unhinged nowadays? You guys on a hair trigger for any comment from any source directed at the stuff you love that isn't 100% effusive praise at all times and that is a really strange and exhausting way to navigate the world.
 
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sircaw

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Easily the hardest From Software game, by some margin. I have never had to repeat so many bosses so many times in any other game. One got up into the fifties. It was a living hell.

10/10. Would play again.

i must admit, my experiences of dark souls have kinda gone downhill since, bloodborne.

I did the games in this order.

Bloodborne, dark souls remastered, dark souls 2, dark souls 3, nioh 1. The combat in Nioh might even be better than Bloodborne, but there are so many things i did not like in the game, the loot system in particular.

To me bloodborne is the best, all other games do not come close to it, i mainly played the others for there locations, very very fun to see new areas in the dark soul's universe.

This is going to sound strange but i even played Hollow knight which i actually put just behind Bloodborne as a souls type game. i finished a massive chunk of the game, it could possibly be just behind Bloodborne, grimdawn and diablo2 as my greatest games of all time, but its a young person's game, my mind is fine but that game you need reactions. Later in the game, i died a lot.

Trust me in saying this, being 50 years old, and having the reactions of a dead sloth is not good for Hallow knight.

i know its a platform game but a lot of the things in it feel or act like dark souls, anyways.

I really hope demon souls delivers, but i will say this after i played bloodborne, i kinda smashed dark souls remastered, not the areas but the actual bosses, some of them were really simple in complexity.

i hope in demon souls the bosses are not a step back in difficulty due to it being the first game, what i mean by that is i hope there have more than 2-3 attacks.

I am sure they will its just something that worries me.
 
It seems like if it really were the case that a faster arch is better for the rendering tasks both AMD, NVIDIA and now Intel would focus in that

From this leak it seems like AMD is focusing on very high clock speeds for their RDNA2 GPUs. From the sheets it appears that Navi 22 focuses on a narrow and fast approach while Navi 21 is clocked slower but is wider at 80 CUs.

Also take into account that Sony has an extremely fast I/0 so maybe a narrow and fast approach suited them better.
 
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Md Ray

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From this leak it seems like AMD is focusing on very high clock speeds for their RDNA2 GPUs. From the sheets it appears that Navi 22 focuses on a narrow and fast approach while Navi 21 is clocked slower but is wider at 80 CUs.

Also take into account that Sony has an extremely fast I/0 so maybe a narrow and fast approach suited them better.
That Navi 21 clock speed, what was it 2050 MHz? With 80 CUs is massive! When you compare it to XSX's 52 CUs at 1825 MHz.

I think MS wanted to be very conservative.

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Also, their XSS 20 CUs are clocked at 1565 MHz. Much, much lower than what's expected from RDNA 2. But I'm sure they had their reasons. Like the size of the console, etc. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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FunkMiller

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i must admit, my experiences of dark souls have kinda gone downhill since, bloodborne.

I did the games in this order.

Bloodborne, dark souls remastered, dark souls 2, dark souls 3, nioh 1. The combat in Nioh might even be better than Bloodborne, but there are so many things i did not like in the game, the loot system in particular.

To me bloodborne is the best, all other games do not come close to it, i mainly played the others for there locations, very very fun to see new areas in the dark soul's universe.

This is going to sound strange but i even played Hollow knight which i actually put just behind Bloodborne as a souls type game. i finished a massive chunk of the game, it could possibly be just behind Bloodborne, grimdawn and diablo2 as my greatest games of all time, but its a young person's game, my mind is fine but that game you need reactions. Later in the game, i died a lot.

Trust me in saying this, being 50 years old, and having the reactions of a dead sloth is not good for Hallow knight.

i know its a platform game but a lot of the things in it feel or act like dark souls, anyways.

I really hope demon souls delivers, but i will say this after i played bloodborne, i kinda smashed dark souls remastered, not the areas but the actual bosses, some of them were really simple in complexity.

i hope in demon souls the bosses are not a step back in difficulty due to it being the first game, what i mean by that is i hope there have more than 2-3 attacks.

I am sure they will its just something that worries me.

Bloodborne is the best game for me as well. I adore Dark Souls, but Bloodborne is the culmination of everything Miyazaki was going for in the previous games, perfected. Dark Souls still wins on level design (first half anyway) but Bloodborne exceeds it in most other ways... including boss encounters. After Ornstein and Smough, all the DS bosses feel easy.

DS 2 is fine, but I only ever played it once, and DS 3 is a bit too greatest hits for me.

Sekiro is a fabulous game, but the absolute emphasis on parrying and split second timing does get a bit much. It doesn’t have that brilliant way of letting you tailor the way you play the game to your own style. There’s one kind of gameplay, and you’ve got no choice but to git gud.
 

Bo_Hazem

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This behaviour is really out of control around here. You can't just go around declaring anything you don't like the sound of 'FUD' (a term that is spammed to the point of absurdity here) on the basis of virtually nothing.

It's a really big claim to say that DF are paid by MS, so where's the 'big' evidence? You guys are beyond paranoid, it seems to be considered entirely normal here to declare any bit of 'negative' (that's very subjective) news to be part of some grand conspiracy.

What has happened to gaming communities that they sound so unhinged nowadays? You guys on a hair trigger for any comment from any source directed at the stuff you love that isn't 100% effusive praise at all times and that is a really strange and exhausting way to navigate the world.

You seem too blind from what's happening.



But when it's Sony, they have their 800% zoom magnifier, when it's something very good from Sony, they're very tired. Halo Infinite? It's just lighting.

Anyway, enjoy your blindness, or probably suits your preference so it's not "biased".
 
If these clocks are indeed true.

PS5 is just fully based in RDNA 2.0.
While Series X looks like RDNA 1.0 based with 2.0 features added.

No don't bring the pigeon man back.

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That Navi 21 clock speed, what was it 2050 MHz? With 80 CUs is massive! When you compare it to XSX's 52 CUs at 1825 MHz.

I think MS wanted to be very conservative.

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Their XSS 20 CUs are clocked at 1565 MHz. Much, much lower than what's expected from RDNA 2.

Honestly if they can push the clocks higher they would. It would be dumb for them to just leave power on the table. But then again they already have the higher TFlops so maybe they don't believe it's necessary.
 

sircaw

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Bloodborne is the best game for me as well. I adore Dark Souls, but Bloodborne is the culmination of everything Miyazaki was going for in the previous games, perfected. Dark Souls still wins on level design (first half anyway) but Bloodborne exceeds it in most other ways... including boss encounters. After Ornstein and Smough, all the DS bosses feel easy.

DS 2 is fine, but I only ever played it once, and DS 3 is a bit too greatest hits for me.

Sekiro is a fabulous game, but the absolute emphasis on parrying and split second timing does get a bit much. It doesn’t have that brilliant way of letting you tailor the way you play the game to your own style. There’s one kind of gameplay, and you’ve got no choice but to git gud.

I will definitely give it a go in the future, it might be a bridge to far for me in terms of skill vs age but we will see, i love the challenge.

I will at least give it my best shot, a thousand deaths should be enough to give me a realistic feel to the game heh
 

Montauk

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You seem too blind from what's happening.



But when it's Sony, they have their 800% zoom magnifier, when it's something very good from Sony, they're very tired. Halo Infinite? It's just lighting.

Anyway, enjoy your blindness, or probably suits your preference so it's not "biased".


I own a PS4 Pro and nothing else. I'm very capable of praising Sony. I'm not a fanboy though and I find fanboyism and console warz stuff (except when its positive and about jokes) extremely tedious.

You just sound really paranoid.
 

sircaw

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You seem too blind from what's happening.



But when it's Sony, they have their 800% zoom magnifier, when it's something very good from Sony, they're very tired. Halo Infinite? It's just lighting.

Anyway, enjoy your blindness, or probably suits your preference so it's not "biased".



and this is why i have moved to NXGamer NXGamer as my main source of credible imformation.

He seems more capable for starters, and i don't sense a bullshit angle or i might be getting paid by some one for biased work.

Yes, his work/ analysis can be beyond my understanding at times, but between him an Paul, the man without a tan, they do me proud.

Thank god for people like these or we would all be drinking that cool-aide.
 

Bo_Hazem

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Just fucking wait people it’s not the cure of cancer. It’ll be available EVERYWHERE and places will beg you to buy them.

On that note, screw scalpers. I hope all their consoles burn before they can sell them.

There are too many spoiled rich people around the globe, that's why. It's only now or never for them, they need them for snapchat and instagram bragging.
 
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How the fuck did they come up with 1440p? And they can't see RT now? Well, explain this:

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And it's compressed to hell, this is the direct feed from PlayStation.Blog flickr account:

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Yes, the dirty money of FUD is doing its magic.

Bluepoint is using an excellent AA. Only aliesing that I can see is the grass blades. That probably where they were able to pixel count. Otherwise, it's difficult to count pixels. The image is extremely sharp and clean.
 

Bo_Hazem

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I own a PS4 Pro and nothing else. I'm very capable of praising Sony. I'm not a fanboy though and I find fanboyism and console warz stuff (except when its positive and about jokes) extremely tedious.

You just sound really paranoid.

He fuckin said he can't see if it's native 4K or 1440p. Then magically it's 1440p out of his ass and runs with it. Anyway, you haven't been paying attention enough, maybe pay attention, or don't jump over people and calling them paranoid.

and this is why i have moved to NXGamer NXGamer as my main source of credible information.

He seems more capable for starters, and i don't sense a bullshit angle or i might be getting paid by some one for biased work.

Yes, his work/ analysis can be beyond my understanding at times, but between him an Paul, the man without a tan, they do me proud.

Thank god for people like these or we would all be drinking that cool-aide.

He's got expertise behind him, he's not like those pseudo experts who don't have a clue what they're talking about. That's why we need Cherno to take it more seriously because he's a freaking engine maker and worked for EA and on Frostbite engine.

We don't need those DF shills.
 
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ethomaz

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I have a question for those that like to speculate regarding AMD, clock speeds, secret sauce and all those things.

Why is a thin and faster GPU architecture better than a wide and slow one? I keep reading about how it's much better for rendering tasks but it seems to me that all non-RDNA2 architectures focused in increasing the width of GPUs instead of clocks. It seems like if it really were the case that a faster arch is better for the rendering tasks both AMD, NVIDIA and now Intel would focus in that
High clock is better than multiples processing units... that is something since ever in AMD, nVidia, Intel archs.

A dual core 4Ghz delivery better performance than a quad core 2Ghz.

The issue was that AMD GPUs have always low clock compared with nVidia and that always played a role in how nVidia has better use of TFs than AMD.

If AMD can really upclock their GPU it will a big deal compared with nVidia.
 
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oldergamer

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Good. I‘m sitting here waiting on a good excuse to go get a Series X, and every time they tease something else, it gives me confidence that they’re committed to the console market going forward.
Not aimed at you, but there has been a lot of unfounded doubt on this forum in general about MS and Xbox with regard to the console market.

I mean the full backing of the MS CEO, elevation of Phil Spencer within MS, the hardware group designing multiple consoles at once, acquisitions the last 2 years, growing internal studios to 2 or more teams, purchasing studio buildings, and even before the Bethesda purchase people still doubted the commitment to console? I mean pretty sure the last time i saw someone post something stupid about "reasons why MS are getting out of the console biz" was only a few months ago. This has now switched to "MS is going third party". It's the reason i pushed back on it as something i always thought didn't make sense. Been almost 20 years for MS in the console biz, and it makes billions in revenue. Its one of the lone sectors of the software industry still growing. Why would they want to do anything (intentionally) to impact this? I do remember don mattrick and he was fired for messing up.

Just because they are using game pass as a reason for many of these moves/changes, doesn't mean they were not committed to console. MS is committed to PC, but they still make PC high-end notebooks and other hardware that they sell software on.
 
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ethomaz

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Not aimed at you, but there has been a lot of unfounded doubt on this forum in general about MS and Xbox with regard to the console market.

I mean the full backing of the MS CEO, elevation of Phil Spencer within MS, the hardware group designing multiple consoles at once, acquisitions the last 2 years, growing internal studios to 2 or more teams, purchasing studio buildings, and even before the Bethesda purchase people still doubted the commitment to console? I mean pretty sure the last time i saw someone post something stupid about "reasons why MS are getting out of the console biz" was only a few months ago. This has now switched to "MS is going third party". It's the reason i pushed back on it as something i always thought didn't make sense. Been almost 20 years for MS in the console biz, and it makes billions in revenue. Its one of the lone sectors of the software industry still growing. Why would they want to do anything (intentionally) to impact this? I do remember don mattrick and he was fired for messing up.

Just because they are using game pass as a reason for many of these moves/changes, doesn't mean they were not committed to console. MS is committed to PC, but they still make PC high-end notebooks and other hardware that they sell software on.
It just because MS don’t delivery games... they buy, they plan, they announce, Phil talks, etc etc etc.

But year after years... where are the games?

I mean 5 years ago it was a hype thing... today gamers are more exceptical after years of “the best lineup in Xbox history”.
 
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