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[Bo_Hazem]

EDIT: I Checked xbox website both on my PC and cellphone and found RT, it's only Microsoft page that has no mention of RT.

Buy Watch Dogs: Legion - Microsoft Store

Build a resistance from anyone in the world as you fight to take back a near-future London facing its downfall. Experience a never-before-seen gameplay innovation that allows you to recruit and play any character. Everyone has a unique skill to help your team. Pre-order now and get the Golden...

www.microsoft.com

 

[ToadMan]

Yeah, it's just that nod to Gamepass when talking about install base and devices that makes me think that. So I expect them to double down on Gamepass even more, since its growth is also a way for them to leverage their first party investment and keeping it exclusive to their ecosystem. Honestly, whatever we may think about Gamepass (personally I'm not particularly enthused by it), they're definitely counting on it and investing on it as a way forward for them, and I think it's gonna work nicely for them.

The more MS commits to gamepass the more they will become platform agnostic.

Buying zenimax pushes them closer to a deal with Sony for content and they were already on the road with their other acquisitions and startups since 2018.

It’s the nature of the beast with subscription services. Netflix is ubiquitous. So is Spotify. They cannot afford to limit their services to a subset of platforms and they don’t. Add to that, neither Netflix nor Spotify make the kind of profit MS needs to show its investors from these acquisitions.

So it’s coming down the pipe. Personally I’m not a big fan of Bethesda over the last 5 years or so and even before that I didn’t really feel the hype for their stuff.

But for people who want it, feel content you’ll get to play Bethesda and the other MS studios games on pretty much any device you like.

 

[Zathalus]

Which one is incorrect? I only checked the GeForce RTX 3080 because I am lazy and it checks out.

3090 Ram amount is 24GB not 12GB, uses 19.5 GBps memory not 21Gbps, and the Titan does not exist.

 

[Stuart360]

Still on for me -

Watch Dogs:® Legion | Xbox

Build a resistance and take London back in Watch Dogs:® Legion.

www.xbox.com

 

[sircaw]

If he is talking about silicon, could be XSX used less EUV around transistors, would explain the lower frequency. No its not just because super cool when parts are 2.5 GHz.

If its all just talking about GPU logic and functions, then could be a whole raft of things, there has been numerous AMD and Sony patents on data compression between caches, pixel vertices and so on, some of them Sony.

Then there is all the L1 ache being common for some functions (I dont think this is gaming tbh), infinitiy cache which is large L2 I believe to negate bus width but also will help with cache misses to memory. Could be huge, but also could be massive perf gain.

The unusual thing here is the PC parts are coming after consoles, so will they look more like ps5 or XSX architecture ? As they are very very different, and anyone yhings they have employed the same is just wrong..

What is RDNA2 is the question, is it process + logic blocks, clock speed of GPU and fast caches...Is it TF or efficiency of moving data around really fast.....All this talk of vRS and mesh shaders is likely so far off the mark in what will give the performance boosts is my opinion, but we aint got long, 28 th Oct, 2 weeks !

RDNA2 is a marketing term really, we just have to look at what features are present, similarities to PC parts as they seem to be coming last so AMD can pick and chose what is best, and at the end of the day how they perform is what matters..

You make my cache hard with all your dirty talk.

Faster loading, DualSense integration, and more?

best version of multiplat games ?

 

[MasterCornholio]

Hopefully it's just a mistake.

 

[Kerlurk]

What I don't understand is how a console planned for 2019 is supposed to have RDNA2 in it.

That whole "planned for 2019" is questionable, and if true, plans can change, and revisions can be made.

 

[Metroiddarks]

Still on for me -

Watch Dogs:® Legion | Xbox

Build a resistance and take London back in Watch Dogs:® Legion.

www.xbox.com

Army of grannies.

 

[Zathalus]

Still listed on the Xbox store. This isn't the first time the Microsoft listing have been incorrect either, the developers of The Medium have confirmed RT for the Xbox version of the game despite it not being listed in the Microsoft store either.

EDIT: The Microsoft store also does not list Xbox achievements either, are we to assume that Watch Dogs has no achievements now as well?

 

[MasterCornholio]

That whole "planned for 2019" is questionable, and if true, plans can change, and revisions can be made.

You can't just flip a switch and go from RDNA1 to RDNA2.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Still on for me -

Watch Dogs:® Legion | Xbox

Build a resistance and take London back in Watch Dogs:® Legion.

www.xbox.com

Here:

Buy Watch Dogs: Legion - Microsoft Store

Build a resistance from anyone in the world as you fight to take back a near-future London facing its downfall. Experience a never-before-seen gameplay innovation that allows you to recruit and play any character. Everyone has a unique skill to help your team. Pre-order now and get the Golden...

www.microsoft.com

 

[LivingD3AD]

 

[MasterCornholio]

That's bullshit. There's no way that Microsoft would brag about having the most powerful system if it wasn't true.

 

[Insane Metal]

Faster loading, DualSense integration, and more?

Imagine if the PS5 ends up being the best version...

 

[Thirty7ven]

What I don't understand is how a console planned for 2019 is supposed to have RDNA2 in it.

If it’s true, it would’ve been planned for 2019 in 2016, probably moved dates in 2017.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Still listed on the Xbox store. This isn't the first time the Microsoft listing have been incorrect either, the developers of The Medium have confirmed RT for the Xbox version of the game despite it not being listed in the Microsoft store either.

EDIT: The Microsoft store also does not list Xbox achievements either, are we to assume that Watch Dogs has no achievements now as well?

Something is going on though, here is Xbox.com as well. Could some check? It's shown on PC, I should check through my cellphone:

 

[Stuart360]

That's bullshit. There's no way that Microsoft would brag about having the most powerful system if it wasn't true.

Absolutely. They would just look stupid if multiplatform games run and look better on PS5, and they will know if they do already, dont worry about that.

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

We’ll know soon enough with the RDNA2 reveal. If this ends up being true I just gotta say that 2020 is being a wild ride.

 

[LivingD3AD]

That's bullshit. There's no way that Microsoft would brag about having the most powerful system if it wasn't true.

On paper they’re right. Just wait and see the performance difference between the tow in the next couple of months! Fun days ahead!

 

[Stuart360]

Something is going on though, here is Xbox.com as well. Could some check? It's shown on PC, I should check through my cellphone:

But surely Ubisoft and Microsoft themselves would of known this months ago. I mean the game is coming out in what?, 2 weeks?, they only now know that they cant get raytracing working on XSX?, even though the game probably went gold weeks ago.

 

[sircaw]

Imagine if the PS5 ends up being the best version...

Well i am not trusting any of this bullshit i hear on this forum, I only believe in trust worthy people and sites.


Will be watching Dealer and Eastwood later tonight, they will clear this mess up.

 

[Kerlurk]

How does he get 7 instruction per clock for RDNA1 from AMD's whitepaper on RDNA1?

Quotes from the white paper:

The RDNA front-end can issue four instructions every cycle to every SIMD, which include a combination of vector, scalar, and memory pipeline.

and another quote:

Each of the four SIMDs can request instructions every cycle and the instruction cache can deliver 32B (typically 2-4 instructions) every clock to each of the SIMDs – roughly 4X greater bandwidth than GCN.

Source: https://www.amd.com/system/files/documents/rdna-whitepaper.pdf

Lots of confusion around this.

One claim of 5 instructions-per-clock, and another at 7 instructions-per-clock for RDNA1 CU's.

 

[Dave_at_Home]

If I had to guess, I'd say PS5 has "infinity cache". If that is the case, I'd also bet they co-developed that with AMD.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

But surely Ubisoft and Microsoft themselves would of known this months ago. I mean the game is coming out in what?, 2 weeks?, they only now know that they cant get raytracing working on XSX?, even though the game probably went gold weeks ago.

Ray Tracing is mentioned in both website and my phone, both being the US page:

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Hopefully it's just a mistake.

"hopefully"

 

[Kerlurk]

You can't just flip a switch and go from RDNA1 to RDNA2.

Never said you could, but the whole "planned for 2019" rumor is in no way confirming RDNA1 in these consoles.

 

[Zathalus]

Something is going on though, here is Xbox.com as well. Could some check? It's shown on PC, I should check through my cellphone:

Showing RT for me on PC and mobile. I also tried various different country sites and they all list it.

Fun fact, the Microsoft store page for Watch Dogs Legion also does not list the game as having single player, are we to assume it has no single player now?

 

[Mr Moose]

PS5 is faster, Series X is more powerful, there's not a big difference between the two like One/PS4/One X/Pro. They will be roughly the same perhaps with X sticking to a higher dynamic 4K in some cases or better shadows or some shit.

 

[SSfox]

Why would you bother buy a ticket to go watch a Circus when there is Microsoft?

Thanks Microsoft

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

How does he get 7 instruction per clock for RDNA1 from AMD's whitepaper on RDNA1?

Quotes from the white paper:



and another quote:



Source: https://www.amd.com/system/files/documents/rdna-whitepaper.pdf

Lots of confusion around this.

One claim of 5 instructions-per-clock, and another at 7 instructions-per-clock for RDNA1 CU's.

You should have this discussion with him, I’m just posting here so people can see. This is his response:



Good luck translating that, I understood nothing lol

 

[Lynyrd]

Teraflops nowadays doesn't mean much, if you take in count the difference between the RTX 2080ti and the RTX 3080, in paper the difference is HUGE, in actual performance, not so much, around 20~24% vs around 120% more Teraflops.

RTX 2080 ti

RTX 3080

 

[MasterCornholio]

Absolutely. They would just look stupid if multiplatform games run and look better on PS5, and they will know if they do already, dont worry about that.

It would be false marketing if they didn't.

 

[geordiemp]

That's bullshit. There's no way that Microsoft would brag about having the most powerful system if it wasn't true.

Why ? I have always thought the opposite. If you had not heard any pR, no specs, lived in a no information bubble

And just watched games run but heard nothing about the hardware, what would you think ?

Sony have just been quietly confident.

 

[Aceofspades]

"Close in performance"

Theres some folks here that are going to be very unhappy.

The statement is still true even if both machines were exact customizations. I believe this rumor is as ridiculous as the old "PS5 is RDNA1" chip.

 

[Axonometri]

out of curiosity I went and looked at Xbox... I don't see where it says ray tracing

 

[sircaw]

PS5 is faster, Series X is more powerful, there's not a big difference between the two like One/PS4/One X/Pro. They will be roughly the same perhaps with X sticking to a higher dynamic 4K in some cases or better shadows or some shit.

Why, why are trying to bring peace, calm and logic to this site, there are no scout awards to pick up here.

Pick a GOD DAMN SIDE AND STOP BEING SO FUCKING NICE.

I fucking hate Diplomats.

Spoiler: Don't click

Waves at friendly moose

 

[MasterCornholio]

"hopefully"

Well I am hoping for it to be a mistake. It would be wrong to wish a downgrade. I'm always against downgrades on any platform. I hate it when developers do that.

 

[Nikana]

Something is going on though, here is Xbox.com as well. Could some check? It's shown on PC, I should check through my cellphone:

Tradzado de rayos sounds way cooler then Ray Tracing.

 

[Stuart360]

It would be false marketing if they didn't.

Well their was the odd XB1 game that ran a little better than PS4, but PS4 still had the better version the vast majority of the time. And the rumour about Xbox being behind with their dev tools COULD mean the odd game is better on PS5 early on. I just feel that Microsoft will know how the game are on both systems already, Sony too.

 

[Mr Moose]

Teraflops nowadays doesn't mean much, if you take in count the difference between the RTX 2080ti and the RTX 3080, in paper the difference is HUGE, in actual performance, not so much, around 20~24% vs around 120% more Teraflops.

RTX 2080 ti

RTX 3080

I've just bought a 1660 Super *strokes my 5 terafloppies*

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

That's bullshit. There's no way that Microsoft would brag about having the most powerful system if it wasn't true.

But it still is the most powerful console on the metric they want: TFs!

Whether RDNA2 TF, PS5 TF and XSX TF are equivalents is another talk.

 

[Zathalus]

And just watched games run but heard nothing about the hardware, what would you think ?

Based on Gears 5, I would assume the XSX GPU is on par with a 2080ti.

 

[SSfox]

Xbox Boss Phil Spencer On Series X Launch, Halo Infinite & Bethesda

There’s nothing normal about interviewing Xbox chief Phil Spencer these days.

kotaku.com

Phil Spencer interview. Long story short, don't expect Bethesda games on Sony platforms.

I mean they do what they want, but it don't seems he confirming anything, and more playing with words just like he doing with ROTR exclusivity, and we all know how it ended.

 

[chonga]

Imagine if the PS5 ends up being the best version...

There's probably enough Evolution Studio guys left who will know their way around a PlayStation to make that possible.

Probably going to end up look pretty identical though.

One console will dip 1 more fps at the starting grid and people will flip out about it. Rest assured.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Teraflops nowadays doesn't mean much, if you take in count the difference between the RTX 2080ti and the RTX 3080, in paper the difference is HUGE, in actual performance, not so much, around 20~24% vs around 120% more Teraflops.

RTX 2080 ti

RTX 3080

Yep, better illustration of this point is the 13.8tflop 2080 Ti is actually (tbc) a smidgen faster than the '20' tflop 3070.

 

[KingT731]

Lol

Did Bethesda games ever sell well on the PlayStation? I mean, Skyrim has a pitiful mod support, and runs the worst of all (X1X, PC, etc.).

I can see Doom selling well, but I hardly think that MS/Bethesda need the PS brand to sell Elder Scroll games. My opinion.

Last gen the sales gap for those games was heavily in favor of PS but to be fair so was pretty much every 3rd party. For FO4 I know at release it about 60% of the total sales were on PS4 (vs all platforms).

Edit: Another example from a different publisher is The Witcher 3

• PC: ~12 million
• PS4: ~ 10.8 million
• Xbox One: ~ 4.3 million
• Nintendo Switch: ~ 700,000
• Total: ~28.3 million

 

[MasterCornholio]

Why ? I have always thought the opposite. If you had not heard any pR, no specs, lived in a no information bubble

And just watched games run but heard nothing about the hardware, what would you think ?

Sony have just been quietly confident.

If I was marketing a console and I knew it was the most powerful one I wouldn't be quiet about it.

 

[saintjules]

I would never see people win these things. I guess there's an upside to 2020 for some

 

[geordiemp]

Based on Gears 5, I would assume the XSX GPU is on par with a 2080ti.

Based on Sekiro, 1800p50 to 55, not even close.

PC

 

[MasterCornholio]

Well their was the odd XB1 game that ran a little better than PS4, but PS4 still had the better version the vast majority of the time. And the rumour about Xbox being behind with their dev tools COULD mean the odd game is better on PS5 early on. I just feel that Microsoft will know how the game are on both systems already, Sony too.

Just imagine this situation. That the XSX ended up having the inferior multiplats after all the marketing about it being the most powerful system.

What do you think would happen?

It's why I don't believe that Sony has the advantage this time around. However I do believe their I/O is better because that's what Sony is bragging about.