Yeah but at least it gives me another option to sign up on discord alertsIt's 2020, don't be surprised if AMD also does a paper launch and everybody has to wait for Q1-Q2 2021 to easily get cards from either company.
2020 should be erased from history...
What card are you using now?I'm not even bothering to upgrade until something like the 3090 is more affordable. A 3080 (4080?) 20GB sounds like a sweet spot though.
Titan XPWhat card are you using now?
Sure if You can.Never knew Jensen had a neogaf account
so i should buy the 3080 now?
She's Jensen's nieceWhat does Su have to do with nVidia?
depend on your resolution and game you playIs there any point of me upgrading when I have a RX 5700 Xt?
LIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES! They are waiting. This is 3d chess played at the highest level.
I game on my 4k TV and perfectly happy with 1440p. Currently have a Ryzen 5 3600 16gb ram and RX 5700 XT. Wondering if there's any point upgrading for next gen games or if my specs can hold for sales.depend on your resolution and game you play
3080 will give you same or higher fps but at 4k. It is exactly twice as far as 2070\5700I game on my 4k TV and perfectly happy with 1440p. Currently have a Ryzen 5 3600 16gb ram and RX 5700 XT. Wondering if there's any point upgrading for next gen games or if my specs can hold for sales.
3075 & 3085 inc.This crap better not be true. Could they just be calling it something else?
If you're satisfied with 1440p you can wait, this shitstorm of a fake launch will finish and upgrade later when you want to game in 4k. You'll have amd and nvidia as options and maybe even models to pick from.I game on my 4k TV and perfectly happy with 1440p. Currently have a Ryzen 5 3600 16gb ram and RX 5700 XT. Wondering if there's any point upgrading for next gen games or if my specs can hold for sales.
Discarding the biggest chip leaker on Twitter like someone with no credibility sound like demagogy to me. Tell me, what did you leak lately random dude on NeoGaf?Because a dude on Twitter says so.
RTX 3080 20GB? How much would've that been? $3000?
3075 & 3085 inc.
I still didn't get the 20GB. The 24GB 3090 only had 10% better performance than the 3080. The 20GB would benchmark horribly when considering the cost compared to its cheaper 10GB model.
People buy the 20gb version to be future proof, it could even do worse then the original 3080 by 5% i would still get it over a 3080 at 50 or 100 bucks premium.
AMD fanboyism.What does Su have to do with nVidia?
Because nVidia have gone crazy the last decade with their pricing. Why does a graphics card (RTX 3090) cost 1500€? It's beyond ridiculous. No consumer-grade graphics card is worth that much. nVidia are overpricing GPUs for quite a long time.Why would it cost twice as much as a 3090 with less ram?
The excess of vram is doing to do shit in 5 years when the card is just to slow. There is no future proofing. That's called a consolePeople buy the 20gb version to be future proof, it could even do worse then the original 3080 by 5% i would still get it over a 3080 at 50 or 100 bucks premium.
No one tarnished the release except nvidia themselvesI guess it has something to do with third party manufacturers skimping on parts and tarnishing the release?
People buy the 20gb version to be future proof, it could even do worse then the original 3080 by 5% i would still get it over a 3080 at 50 or 100 bucks premium.
1080p up to 1440p? fuck noIs there any point of me upgrading when I have a RX 5700 Xt?
The 2080ti launched one week after the 2080. Then one month later the 2070 and 4 months later the 2060. I don't see it happening either, the 3090 is basically the 2080ti equivalent of the 3000 seriesNot surprised, it sounded ridiculous as a concept.
How would it be priced between the 3080 and the 3090? Why would they even drop it 3 months after launch of the 3080? What would be the point in a 3090 if this was true?
There most likely won't be a 3080ti. The 3090 is the 3080ti.
And if you compare the 3090, which is really the best ampere gpu (not titan) to the best flagship of the old gen (2080ti). This jump of this generation is one of the shittiest ever
Grats to nvidia for all these mind games
AMD will have the better cards this Time.I think Performance AMD will win,Nvidia will probably have better ray tracing.When RDNA3 gets released AMD will start trash NVIDIA like they did arrogant Intel.Even if the RDNA2 cards are a bit behind in performance they will have way more ram then Nvidia cards which is a great plus.
Nonsense.... a PC GPU doesn`t get slower, just like a console doesn´t get faster. A GPU that outperforms a console now will still outperform it in 5 years.The excess of vram is doing to do shit in 5 years when the card is just to slow. There is no future proofing. That's called a console
Considering that demand is outstripping supply by so much it probably makes sense not to launch new cards for the moment.
What? No. Some people would, MAYBE edit: sorry, misread and thought you said 'people would'
If excess vram sold GPUs then Amd would be leading the market. I think a fair few people who are buying $700+ cards are the kind that upgrade every 2-3 years max. Most people I know with 5 year old cards are not shopping the high end, even remotely.
How would nvidia market that anyway lol? There's already the 3090 for creators who like to game. An inferior 3080 in performance would just be a big wet fart. Edit: again, only if it's inferior. If it's same or 2-5% better it still sells, I bet just not as well as the base varient
The excess of vram is doing to do shit in 5 years when the card is just to slow. There is no future proofing. That's called a console
The "future proofing" argument seems like built on a flimsy foundation to me. As it looks right now there's no demonstrable evidence (benchmarks from other than fringe developers) that show 10GB GDDR6X cards won't last at least this GPU gen and the next. With that said, since I'm a facts-driven person I'd like no more than to be proven wrong so-to-speak..
They can't ship current versions, because they had to OC them into "not-OCeable" territory, and sell a card 20-30% faster than the last $1'200 card for $699, because...They can't even ship the current versions. why would they bother making second versions at this point. Makes no sense.
double the v-ram models aren't something new that get released mate for premium prices. AMD also ended up doing this with 200 series and eventually adopted it in the 300 series. Nvidia used it in the 700 / 600 and 500 series of there gpu's and even the most used 1060 have this concept. i probably forgot a bunch lot of them.
Seems like u are unfamiliar with the concept.
Also a group of people u don't seem familiar with they upgrade whenever a new gpu gets released for the simple fact to always be up to date. For example. if u bought a 2080 gpu which is basically a 2070 super with 5% performance, u could have sold that one for 500 bucks second handed before the 3000 series wasn't out yet add now 200 and have a hot new gpu again at top performance. Do the same in 2 years from now and u are at the top again. I know people that do exactly this. and even i did it back in the day. So yes there is a market for that.
A 3080 card indeed will not be bought by casuals so no clue why u even bother with this group. If nvidia cared about casuals with the 3000 series or even 2000 series cards they would have released a 300 and 200 buck GPU by now. They don't. The whole RTX lineup isn't meant for casuals, they got a 16xx series for that as of now.
Let me give you a example so it's easier for you to understand.
Last generation game PS3 area 2013 ac black flag game on pc.
Minimum
RAM: 2 GB RAM
Video Card: Nvidia Geforce GTX 260 or AMD Radeon HD 4870 (512MB VRAM with shader Model 4.0 or higher) see supported list*
Ac unity next gen game a year later:
minimum:
Graphics: AMD Radeon HD 7970 or NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 VRAM: 2GB ( 3gb recommend )
System Memory: 6 GB RAM
A 2012 gpu the 680 went from ultra high end material towards absolutely minimum specs simple because of v-ram ( reason lots of people bought 4gb model and waited on it and didn't even saw the 780 as upgrade for the simple fact 3gb of v-ram which lots of people waited again for rumored 6gb models that never arrived which made them upgrade to a 4gb 970 which ended up in lawsuits because people got scammed out of there v-ram performance. The die hards moved to 980ti's are moved to 1000 series with 8gb of memory and never looked back.
AC valhalla for example is straight up black flag on requirements, we will see a sharp rise in v-ram consumption to the point a 3080 could very well be seen as minimum spec material in a year or so from now simple because of its v-ram pool and nothing else.
Will it? we will have to see, however it doesn't look good for the card and that's also the reason nvidia did it. To make you upgrade in 2 years again. They are known for playing the v-ram game for ages now. the 1000 series however was a flux at this point.
Future proofing is a thing on PC to the point that makes sense. From system ram, to ssd capacity to v-ram to core counts etc.
My argument is based around that xbox series X has 10gb of v-ram allocated. Sony will most likely also use that amount for there games. now the series S exists which can keep the v-ram budget down
" if devs don't decide to universally drop support for that box entirely and ignore it which could also happen ( wii-u debacle for example )." but higher settings on PC will consume more then what consoles have so either way v-ram will be a thing no matter what.
To what extend the 3080 10gb will age who knows its all guessing at this point. However with the experience i got with nvidia, with pc with gen upgrades and with v-ram. the 3080 reminds me of a 680 gtx for reason i stated above. i rather wait on the 680 4gb model or the 700 higher v-ram model.
double the v-ram models aren't something new that get released mate for premium prices. AMD also ended up doing this with 200 series and eventually adopted it in the 300 series. Nvidia used it in the 700 / 600 and 500 series of there gpu's and even the most used 1060 have this concept. i probably forgot a bunch lot of them.
Seems like u are unfamiliar with the concept.
Also a group of people u don't seem familiar with they upgrade whenever a new gpu gets released for the simple fact to always be up to date. For example. if u bought a 2080 gpu which is basically a 2070 super with 5% performance, u could have sold that one for 500 bucks second handed before the 3000 series wasn't out yet add now 200 and have a hot new gpu again at top performance. Do the same in 2 years from now and u are at the top again. I know people that do exactly this. and even i did it back in the day. So yes there is a market for that.
A 3080 card indeed will not be bought by casuals so no clue why u even bother with this group. If nvidia cared about casuals with the 3000 series or even 2000 series cards they would have released a 300 and 200 buck GPU by now. They don't. The whole RTX lineup isn't meant for casuals, they got a 16xx series for that as of now.
Let me give you a example so it's easier for you to understand.
Last generation game PS3 area 2013 ac black flag game on pc.
Minimum
RAM: 2 GB RAM
Video Card: Nvidia Geforce GTX 260 or AMD Radeon HD 4870 (512MB VRAM with shader Model 4.0 or higher) see supported list*
Ac unity next gen game a year later:
minimum:
Graphics: AMD Radeon HD 7970 or NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 VRAM: 2GB ( 3gb recommend )
System Memory: 6 GB RAM
A 2012 gpu the 680 went from ultra high end material towards absolutely minimum specs simple because of v-ram ( reason lots of people bought 4gb model and waited on it and didn't even saw the 780 as upgrade for the simple fact 3gb of v-ram which lots of people waited again for rumored 6gb models that never arrived which made them upgrade to a 4gb 970 which ended up in lawsuits because people got scammed out of there v-ram performance. The die hards moved to 980ti's are moved to 1000 series with 8gb of memory and never looked back.
AC valhalla for example is straight up black flag on requirements, we will see a sharp rise in v-ram consumption to the point a 3080 could very well be seen as minimum spec material in a year or so from now simple because of its v-ram pool and nothing else.
Will it? we will have to see, however it doesn't look good for the card and that's also the reason nvidia did it. To make you upgrade in 2 years again. They are known for playing the v-ram game for ages now. the 1000 series however was a flux at this point.
Future proofing is a thing on PC to the point that makes sense. From system ram, to ssd capacity to v-ram to core counts etc.
My argument is based around that xbox series X has 10gb of v-ram allocated. Sony will most likely also use that amount for there games. now the series S exists which can keep the v-ram budget down
" if devs don't decide to universally drop support for that box entirely and ignore it which could also happen ( wii-u debacle for example )." but higher settings on PC will consume more then what consoles have so either way v-ram will be a thing no matter what.
To what extend the 3080 10gb will age who knows its all guessing at this point. However with the experience i got with nvidia, with pc with gen upgrades and with v-ram. the 3080 reminds me of a 680 gtx for reason i stated above. i rather wait on the 680 4gb model or the 700 higher v-ram model.