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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Kerlurk

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ask Satya Nadella and check the latest financial report published this week the stance from MS is the most powerful console ? a plethora of interpretations will result in different interpretations regarding if statements are true based on objective view points.

I checked their latest 10-Q quarterly report filed 2020-10-27, and I also checked their 10-K annual report filed 2020-07-30 and they never claim "most powerful console".

Did searches on every occurrence of "powerful" and "console".

Free free to check yourself:
 
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FrankWza

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It's fucked up because AFAIK there is no way to buy physical deluxe edition. Still tho gating those items behind additional 20euro is so fucking shitty...
Is this a sure thing or could they be confusing the exclusivity of it as a preorder bonus and immediate unlock?
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Just that you seem pretty intense about people complaining about DF. It’s ok man. You know who lives rent free in my head? The New England Patriots. Hate those guys!
I hate that they get brought up endlessly... it's annoying, and the mods have literally warned/banned people from this thread over it multiple times. I ignore 90% of it but occasionally chime in to tell people to stop sounding so butthurt over them.

I want my fellow Sony fans to stop sounding like the whiniest persecution complex babies on the planet is all lol I'm just here to help you guys be better :)
 
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Zadom

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I hate that they get brought up endlessly... it's annoying, and the mods have literally warned/banned people from this thread over it multiple times. I ignore 90% of it but occasionally chime in to tell people to stop sounding so butthurt over them.

I want my fellow Sony fans to stop sounding like the whiniest persecution complex babies on the planet is all lol I'm just here to help you guys be better :)
Sounds good. And I’m sure we agree about the a Patriots.
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Mr Moose

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Is this a sure thing or could they be confusing the exclusivity of it as a preorder bonus and immediate unlock?
They said this, but I don't know how to take it:
“Everything that was in the original PlayStation 3 version is in the standard edition of the game,” Moore said, when asked about new items and equipment coming to Demon’s Souls as part of the game’s digital deluxe edition. “So nobody’s missing out on anything. There’s a lot of new content that we’ve added to the game and for fans to find and enjoy. And there are lots of things that I think fans are going to go, ‘Oh, that’s amazing. Great. You know, I didn’t know they put that in the game.’ I’m not going to tell you any more than that, because [I don’t want] to spoil anything.”
 

FrankWza

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They said this, but I don't know how to take it:



Moore said, when asked about new items and equipment coming to Demon’s Souls as part of the game’s digital deluxe edition. “So nobody’s missing out on anything. There’s a lot of new content that we’ve added to the game and for fans to find and enjoy. And there are lots of things that I think fans are going to go, ‘Oh, that’s amazing. Great. You know, I didn’t know they put that in the game.’ I’m not going to tell you any more than that, because [I don’t want] to spoil anything.”

We know that the remake will have new weapons, armor, and rings, and that the digital deluxe edition will give players an early boost, with brand-new items like Grains.



When I read this it sounds like it’s just unlocked for DD and everyone else has to unlock. That’s what we always thought. So the news from earlier was misinterpreted?
 
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I checked their latest 10-Q quarterly report filed 2020-10-27, and I also checked their 10-K annual report filed 2020-07-30 and they never claim "most powerful console".

Did searches on every occurrence of "powerful" and "console".

Free free to check yourself:


"Finally, we’re delighted by early reviews and excitement in the Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X, which will be the most affordable and most powerful consoles available"

MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE
 
I get what you're saying and I agree it truly is all about games at the end of the day but some of us (whether we're green, blue, red or some color in between) have a genuine interest in the technology that makes all this possible. So while I agree some folks absolutely do have an agenda and try to throw shade at others, some of us are actually curious and excited by these feature sets and what it could mean with regards to future computing performance or enabling new experiences in gaming.

I know you're probably just referring to the fanatics but I thought I'd throw that out there.
well said. but to me, if someone is truly curious, the more interesting part is how PS5 manage to run games like DS, R&C and even spiderman on a supposedly weaker machine. the reconstruction technique. the RT tricks are all interesting talking points. but no, people fixated on RDNA1.5
 

Yoboman

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So Bo_Hazem Bo_Hazem was right about Demons Souls resolution and DF were wrong


Why was that thread locked exactly?
 

FunkMiller

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"Finally, we’re delighted by early reviews and excitement in the Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X, which will be the most affordable and most powerful consoles available"

MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE

I am rechristening you ‘Robert Alt-man’

which is both hilarious AND clever, I’m sure everyone will agree. Especially for fans of satirical filmmaking.
 

Antelope

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Does anybody have Monitor recommendations for PS5?
I’m a single player focused player, so I don’t think I need HDMI 2.1. I was planning to put it by the tv, but I have to set up a new office anyway so I might make it into a secret man cave!
 
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Lysandros

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I dont think the game is running at 55 fps. If that were the case, they would optimize and downgrade some settings to hit 60 fps instead of just locking it to 30 fps.

30 fps lock usually means the game is running at above 30 but below 40. they are not wasting extra horsepower on higher framerates so they optimize by turning up settings in the 30 fps mode if they do have any headroom available.

its possible that the game can hit native 4k 60 fps with no enemies on screen and drop down to 1800p or 1440p with enemies on screen. i suspect most boss fights will be in the 1440p range. i guess we will find out.
What if 60 FPS mode has no or lower quality/amount of RT, did you include that to the equation?
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
What if 60 FPS mode has no or lower quality/amount of RT, did you include that to the equation?
no, but they didnt mention anything about the performance mode not having RT. This game only has shadows RT which again does not have a large impact on power. In CoD MW, it had maybe a 10% hit on performance so 6 fps for a 60 fps game.
 

geordiemp

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due to this news:




After a lot of time i understand:

What I thought was complete RDNA2 should include all the hardware, not just the functions to be developed:

Next AMD presents what are the characteristics that have led it to achieve a 54% improvement compared to RDNA1. Broken down:

AMD-Radeon-RX-6000-Series-Graphics-Cards_RDNA-2-Big-Navi-GPU-Architecture_7-1480x833.png


The first corresponds to the increase in frequency which does not seem to be very present on Xbox.
The second Improvement Holisty Design that corresponds to the following slide:

AMD-Radeon-RX-6000-Series-Graphics-Cards_RDNA-2-Big-Navi-GPU-Architecture_4-1480x833.png


Variable clocks per CU (there is no such thing in SX)
Restructuring of the pipeline (as we can see in the 80 CU GPU in the photo it only has Shaders Arrays of 10 CU maximum) There is no such thing in Xbox either
And greater efficiency of data movement. (Who knows).

The last point is that RDNA2 has Infinity cache (the brilliance of the photo):
579976-amd-radeon-6000-series-die-front-1260x1080.png

And yet I'm still trying to find it here:
xbox-series-x-slide03.jpg

In which it is neither mentioned nor appears.

And last and foremost is dedicated RT Hardware without using TMUs as calculation units:

579976-hardware-accelerated-raytracing-1920x500.jpg


In front of this:

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Where can you see that if you activate the RT a TMU (there are 2 actually and I hope because as it has 2 TMUs per RDNACU they are managed) to become an RT accelerator.


So what have we been discussing? If RDNA2 architecture is not hardware because it is clear that it is not, then what is RDNA2?

VRS, Mesh Shaders and Direct RT ??? So what have we been discussing all this time for software functions compatible with hardware?

I just know one thing, I think no console can afford all that hardware on the GPU for 500 Euros (~ $ 500). And that of course I think that the word RDNA2 architecture simply refers to VRS, Mesh Shaders AND directX RT. I think we are getting a ton of weird marketing that is not letting us see with our eyes the hardware that we are buying which is really important.

VRS, Mesh Shaders or DXRT are functions that other companies without RDNA2 have, for example Nvidia. So we can assure that they are not exclusive to RDNA2 but rather that it is a way of using hardware that will have to be compatible.

Conclusion:
That certifies you as RDNA2.0 full: it is a set of API characteristics that must be compatible with your system. But it is not tied to hardware development.

I think we've gotten a ton of unnecessary marketing and swallowed it. RDNA2 has nothing to do with concrete hardware architecture.

But I finally understood.

The RDNAX word is just marketing and does not assure you of hardware. So from my Geek point of view it is a word that is worthless.

Oh AMD meant RDNA2 as hardware, but they cannot exclude their major partners who pay them.

However, thats why they used more obscure language on the CU optimisation slide to not make it obvious.

14 CU shaders is a long path in silicon, thats why all PC parts will be 10 CU. Notice the L2 and stuff is centred on RDNA2 die. Same deal.

Cant hide by just talking APis forever though, AMD do a detailed white paper on RDNA2 and it will be clear the exlusions. We already know XSX has RDNA1 20 wavefronts and 2 packers indead of 4 for RDNA2 on front end. You cant hide hardware.
 
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Mr Moose

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Moore said, when asked about new items and equipment coming to Demon’s Souls as part of the game’s digital deluxe edition. “So nobody’s missing out on anything. There’s a lot of new content that we’ve added to the game and for fans to find and enjoy. And there are lots of things that I think fans are going to go, ‘Oh, that’s amazing. Great. You know, I didn’t know they put that in the game.’ I’m not going to tell you any more than that, because [I don’t want] to spoil anything.”

We know that the remake will have new weapons, armor, and rings, and that the digital deluxe edition will give players an early boost, with brand-new items like Grains.



When I read this it sounds like it’s just unlocked for DD and everyone else has to unlock. That’s what we always thought. So the news from earlier was misinterpreted?
It's this bit that makes me wonder:
Everything that was in the original PlayStation 3 version is in the standard edition of the game.
I hope I am just reading too much into it and we do get all the shit in the standard edition.
 

Kerlurk

Banned
"Finally, we’re delighted by early reviews and excitement in the Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X, which will be the most affordable and most powerful consoles available"

MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE

Oh that guy! Lawyers are in motion, and cease and desist letters are being sent.

In seriousness though, it's a questionable statement, and can be debated to be false.

Also the XSS is not the most affordable console.
 
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Doncabesa

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No reason to think there are many PS5 exclusive games until 2023. Demon's Souls being listed as PC and other consoles originally made that clear. Far too many consoles out there, just losing money if you don't offer them 1st party.
 
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