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[TJC]

So MS saying XSS will run XSX games at lower resolution with same frame rates? Just another lie to add to the list. Anyone buying a Series S is stupid to do so when digital PS5 offers better than Series X, unless you are buying it soley for Gamepass titles.

 

[TGO]

 

[Knitted Knight]

Even if I give you DMC. It becomes

XSX - DMC
PS5 - CoD, Valhalla, No Mans Sky, Watch Dogs Legion

You can't "give" DMC5 when the evidence in the following titles suggest the 120fps mode performance gap wasn't a fluke (or bug). The titles that have followed showcase that - a trend. That is the best mode to showcase horsepower performance and the XSX got bodied by the PS5 there.

It's, so far, a clean plate.

 

[Xdrive05]

Well this has been quite a twist!

If PS5 holds the multiplatform advantage going forward (on balance, that is - I'm sure they will trade blows depending on the game), then I don't see what selling point Microsoft even has any more. Other than maybe gamepass and more generations of BC. Yay, I guess.

It's looking like there will not be the generally consistent advantage one platform had over the other in the previous gen (which got flipped when pro/one-x refreshes came out). I think this is good news for the industry, but pretty terrible news for Microsoft.

Their one ace is turning out to be a joker.

 

[Vaztu]

its performing 25% better.

60/48 = 25%. DF's math is wrong.

What about this one ?

 

[SlimySnake]

What about this one ?

I noticed that too but it only dips to 46 for a fraction of a second and spends most of its time at 47-48. PS5 dips to 58 for a fraction of a second too. difference is 25% consistently.

 

[Azurro]

Damn...

You can't explain just by crying "tools" that you lose a "2 TF advantage", and on top of that perform up to 26 percent worse.... that's a big performance delta gap in favor of PS5.

The only thing that's starting to make sense are KittyYuko's leak on XSX architecture (RDNA1 CU's, Render back-ends RDNA 2).... which pretty much buttresses what MLiD said.... Xbox Series X is a server blade APU dressed up as a console.

Actually that's the part I find most interesting. I listened to one of MLID's podcasts and didn't think much of it, but perhaps it's actually true. I'd be interested to know the advantages/disadvantages of such an approach and also what that front end RDNA1 features, backend RDNA2 features mean and if it's more than just a meaningless spec.

 

[TTOOLL]

So MS saying XSS will run XSX games at lower resolution with same frame rates? Just another lie to add to the list. Anyone buying a Series S is stupid to do so when digital PS5 offers better than Series X, unless you are buying it soley for Gamepass titles.

We've been told, "same games but at 1080p or 1440p".

*Jennifer Lawrence ok*

 

[Greggy]

Even if I give you DMC. It becomes

XSX - DMC
PS5 - CoD, Valhalla, No Mans Sky, Watch Dogs Legion

I haven't seen any COD, WDL or NMS comparisons by DF yet.
Don't get me wrong, even same performance would be a loss for the XSX. MS has advertised it as the most powerful console. Consumers expect better.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now. They have waited for all the latest RDNA2 features, it might take time for 3rd party devs to get up to speed with them. If a year from now nothing has changed, I'll sell my XSX and get a 3080.

 

[Agnostic2020]

lol .. he have a youtube channel with 1.46 million subscribers, try again

GAMER SNACK | جيمر سناك

مرحبا أعزائي، قناة جيمرسناك تقدم لكم محتوى ألعاب الفيديو والتقنية و الأفلام بفقرات منوعه بالإضافة لتغطية معارض وبطولات المحتوى خفيف ومفيد و تجدنا أيضا في الا...

www.youtube.com

Lol sure .

The pictures look exactly the same other than time of the day /color

 

[BlueXImpulse]

I haven't seen any COD, WDL or NMS comparisons by DF yet.
Don't get me wrong, even same performance would be a loss for the XSX. MS has advertised it as the most powerful console. Consumers expect better.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now. They have waited for all the latest RDNA2 features, it might take time for 3rd party devs to get up to speed with them. If a year from now nothing has changed, I'll sell my XSX and get a 3080.

Ok we will wait for DF comparisons for everything.

 

[ethomaz]

lol .. he have a youtube channel with 1.46 million subscribers, try again

GAMER SNACK | جيمر سناك

مرحبا أعزائي، قناة جيمرسناك تقدم لكم محتوى ألعاب الفيديو والتقنية و الأفلام بفقرات منوعه بالإضافة لتغطية معارض وبطولات المحتوى خفيف ومفيد و تجدنا أيضا في الا...

www.youtube.com

So he is spreading misinformation to 1.4 millions viewers lol

 

[geordiemp]

What about this one ?

I think DF said 15 %.

So was tommy fisher right all along, Ps5 is a mystical 12 x 1.15 = 13.8 TF confirmed lol

Dont bite, just having fun

 

[Andodalf]

Well this has been quite a twist!

If PS5 holds the multiplatform advantage going forward (on balance, that is - I'm sure they will trade blows depending on the game), then I don't see what selling point Microsoft even has any more. Other than maybe gamepass and more generations of BC. Yay, I guess.

It's looking like there will not be the generally consistent advantage one platform had over the other in the previous gen (which got flipped when pro/one-x refreshes came out). I think this is good news for the industry, but pretty terrible news for Microsoft.

Their one ace is turning out to be a joker.

They have more than doubled how many studios they have in the last dev cycle. Those devs will be making games people want to play. People are already begging them to make these games multiplat, so the desire is clearly there

 

[Skifi28]

I wouldn't, the One X version has a magnitude more tearing than the Series X version even at 30fps. If you've actually played both versions like I have it's clear the Series S version is far superior to all the last Gen consoles.

So the difference between a last Gen and a next machine is a little tearing less. I feel blessed. The S is a mistake and it's only going to get worse.

 

[Vognerful]

Nah I was just taking a piss. DF said the xsex's is a good performance (for what it is). Now imagine if it was performing bad because of the tools?

Well, it was performing bad, based on DF and even on all the people here.

the point is that it's "bad" is still very good. I mean if it has similar issues to people playing on nVidia 20XX cards, then you actually got a good deal.

 

[Vaztu]

I noticed that too but it only dips to 46 for a fraction of a second and spends most of its time at 47-48. PS5 dips to 58 for a fraction of a second too. difference is 25% consistently.

Yeah agree. So why did Alex say this then ?

At worst its 30% from his own video.

 

[basic_element]

XSX and PS5 are both Beasts, but the XSS is clearly not the 'true' next gen system MS sold it as.

Half the frame rate, a fraction of the resolution, yet still with frame drops and noticeably worse effects.

Really hope it never becomes successful. Let the struggle console slowly die off and hopefully developing for it will be dropped as a requirement.

Despite what Microsoft says. the XSS is going to hold back the Xbox exclusives. With less and slower RAM, they will have to design games to accommodate this limitation and it's going to hold XSX back. Really disappointing.

 

[HorcaCZ]

I see a few people going already from Denial to the Anger stage.

Guys, chill. Both platforms will be fine.

 

[Fake]

Guys, he is talking about overall perfomance, not just in that scene.

 

[Great Hair]

OOOFF! DOF is less quality on ps5.

edit : its not about the dark vs light there is clearly more banding, more blobbiness in the ps5 screen. thats a lesser DOF setting.

 

[JonkyDonk]

Interesting stuff. I was listening to GiantBomb earlier and they said that Watch Dogs and No Man's Sky both seem to run smoother on PS5 too.

 

[Outrunner]

They said 'wait for Digital Foundry'. We've waited and the results are the same as NXGamer and VGTech, unsurprisingly.

What would be more interesting is DF thoughts on a possible Series X hardware/design bottleneck that lets the PS5 outperform it in all these gMes so far.

The 'late tools' excuse was debunked by the Dirt 5 technical director.

Can I have a source please?

 

[JORMBO]

This is interesting. I bought my SX as mostly a third party machine and to play future first party MS games. I thought it would have a slight edge like many here. I don't hold any dying loyalty to either company, so if this trend continues I will move my third party purchases over to my PS5. I always buy all the consoles, so if my SX ends up getting less use then I originally thought it's not a big deal. MS has made a lot of good moves over the last few years, so it is a bit of a head scratcher if they end up underperforming the PS5 and why they didn't have exclusives ready for launch.

I'll have to keep an eye on things to see if the trend continues. Right now I am debating if I should move my Cyberpunk preorder from XB over to PS.

I will say I am currently playing AC on SX and haven't had any issues. The game looks great.

 

[Endless Fluff]

Cross gen games seem to really like the higher GPU clocks.

 

[Mr Moose]

Yeah agree. So why did Alex say this then ?

At worst its 30% from his own video.

Might be talking about the overall captured footage and not all of it was shown in the video (it would be hours long).

 

[Riky]

So the difference between a last Gen and a next machine is a little tearing less. I feel blessed. The S is a mistake and it's only going to get worse.

You feel blessed? Ok

The Series S costs less than a One X or a PS4 Pro and outperforms them both on this game. If it goes north of 1600p then I'd say that's actually above expectations for this game. I don't know why people who have no intention of buying one are so bitter about it.

 

[geordiemp]

Yeah agree. So why did Alex say this then ?

At worst its 30% from his own video.

Brutality - I noticed Richard was keeping his head low.

 

[ToadMan]

He used the same save file and said the XSX version ''on the left'' have better draw destance

Uh huh. Is it a 40% greater draw distance?

Its kinda strange people only talke only about the teraflop difference .. which is by itself is significant '' i still belevie the PS5 is a 9 TF mechine''
while ignoring other XSX hardware advantages like :
- 112GB/s higher mem bandwidth
- 3.1GPixels higher fillrate
- 58GTexels higher texture rate
Mark my words .. the XBX will be > 40 % faster

 

[geordiemp]

Can I have a source please?

You can if you ask nicely

 

[Mr Moose]

You feel blessed? Ok

The Series S costs less than a One X or a PS4 Pro and outperforms them both on this game. If it goes north of 1600p then I'd say that's actually above expectations for this game. I don't know why people who have no intention of buying one are so bitter about it.

Xbox One X uses a dynamic resolution with the highest native resolution found being 3840x2160 and the lowest native resolution found being approximately 2432x1368. Native resolution pixel counts near 3093x1740 seem to be common on Xbox One X. Xbox One X seems to rarely render at a native resolution of 3840x2160.

 

[TheAmazingSpiderMan]

I remember reading all year that the difference between XsX and Ps5 was a PS4 and some.

Where have you guys gone to?

 

[mckmas8808]

It seems a lot XSX games are not optimized and have bugs. There are a lot more crashing on XSX for Watchdogs too.

It's probably why MS didn't show games in the months before XSX launched.

 

[TalentBurke]

Is your socks having fun yet Mr?

Damn, I can't see anything he's posting. Had to put him on ignore. He was in every thread praising microsoft.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Assassin's Creed Valhalla PS5 vs Xbox Series X - which copes best with 60fps?

For many, this is the most crucial of the next generation cross-platform comparisons. The new Assassin's Creed is a big…

www.eurogamer.net

Summary:

- SeX vs PS5 vs SeS
- About SeX vs PS5, looks like both have the same effects, graphics, etc...
- People being reports about minor differences between those two, but nothing so far. Probably by the time of the day or by the amount of bugs the game have
- SeS on the other hand have some settings set down in comparison with PS5 and SeX
- Loading times between all. PS5 get the edge by seconds. PS5 23:30, SeX 26:48 and SeS 27:17(6:00)
- Resolution side, looks like SeX and PS5 run both at dynamic 4k with the 1440p as minimum (6:28)
- The max resolution from SeX and PS5 are 4k, but none system archieve by the time or not spotted
- Series S runs at dynamic resolution, but the resolution spotted was sighly above 1080p
- And some feel scenes, SeS runs above 1440p
- Both SeX and PS5 runs identical spots of resolution scaler, just one scene that Alex spot a siglhy higher resolution on PS5 over SeX (8:19)
- Looks like the game runs using dynamic resolution plus some sort of reconstruct tech to reach their target
- Perfomance time (9:52)
- In general both SeX and PS5 did a decent job of targeting 60 fps
- Moving the camera or in some cutscenes the game lost frames and than horizontal tearing happens (10:20)
- John suggest could be a thread issue
- Both PS5 and SeX tearing on the same scenes, but SeX tearing are more offen and occur more at the middle of the screen (10:58)
- After fighting a boss (11:42), SeX drop to 1440p and when you open the door to the world, a lot of screen tearing take place of the entire screen
- On the PS5, after fighting a boss (12:09), PS5 drop to 1440p as well, but the framerate remains at 60 with no sight of screen tearing at all
- After spend sometime on both machines, looks like PS5 hold 60 fps most conscistence than SeX during the gameplay, say John (12:16)
- Series S on the same boss fight scene give a little screen tearing, but recover fast and remains at 30 with no screen tearing after opening the door to the world
- For some reason, using the torch don't generate shadows on that scene (13:19)
- On SeX, using the torch during a non gameplay scene (walking) looks like create a loads of screen tearing an drops frame rate to the 40 territory (13:31)
- On PS5, using the torch on the same exactly scene have a minor screen tearing on the top of the screen, but the frame rate remains between 58~60

Spoiler

- Comparison between PS5 and SeX at 13:59
- John say PS5 have a pretty stable 60 fps with some dips here and there, but that SeX really needs some work (14:10)
- John say that enable VRR really fix almost the problem of the screen tearing. Saying is a game changer feature
- Series S really did a decent job of not showing the same screen tearing as SeX, stable 30 with occasional screen tearing at the same level as PS5 or lower
- At 15:46 , saying the game have some weirds bugs (duh)
- Looks like those bugs are more offen on the Series family than PS5
- Bug spotted at PS5 (17:39)
- Alex saying at 18:09 that SeX perfomance are 15% lower than PS5 at the same resolution on the same scene and this is not very good and John agree
- Alex and John find dissapoint that the SeS runs at locked 30 fps, they could offer a 60fps on SeS
- 19:09 "The main thing here is, AC Valhalla is a very looking good game, but I think don't looks good as AC Unity', say John

Better resolution, better framerates.

 

[Airbus Jr]

DynamiteCop....

 

[Mr Moose]

Uh huh. Is it a 40% greater draw distance?

 

[Vaztu]

Can I have a source please?

 

[waquzy]

This is interesting. I bought my SX as mostly a third party machine and to play future first party MS games. I thought it would have a slight edge like many here. I don't hold any dying loyalty to either company, so if this trend continues I will move my third party purchases over to my PS5. I always buy all the consoles, so if my SX ends up getting less use then I originally thought it's not a big deal. MS has made a lot of good moves over the last few years, so it is a bit of a head scratcher if they end up underperforming the PS5 and why they didn't have exclusives ready for launch.

I'll have to keep an eye on things to see if the trend continues. Right now I am debating if I should move my Cyberpunk preorder from XB over to PS.

I will say I am currently playing AC on SX and haven't had any issues. The game looks great.

Yeah same here, I'm also a multi platformer, I have the XSX in hand and it's an amazing piece of kit imo, however it seems like the PS5 will be my choice of platform for multi releases this gen, whereas it used to be One X over Pro, it looks like the tables have turned this time around, no biggie. Haven't pre-ordered CP 2077 yet, but if I manage to get the PS5 tomorrow, I will be purchasing the game for it.

 

[ToadMan]

More short memories that an Alzheimer’s clinic around here ... lol

I'll take an avatar bet that most third party games will look better on XSX. If there's any advantage in effects, frame rate, textures, etc. It'll most of the time be XSX.

 

[Aceofspades]

I think DF said 15 %.

So was tommy fisher right all along, Ps5 is a mystical 12 x 1.15 = 13.8 TF confirmed lol

Dont bite, just having fun

Lets look at it the other way, Github was right all along, its just XSX thats 8TF not PS5 lol

Spoiler

I joke, PS5 and XSX are very close specs wise

 

[Nikana]

More short memories that an Alzheimer’s clinic around here ... lol

Yep I was wrong. Too bad no one took the bet.

No idea what your Alzheimer clinc comment has to do with anything. I am very well aware of what I said. Still hilarious to watch the dumb console war mental gymnastics going on.

 

[elcapitano]

Ps5 purchase is looking even better now based in the current pattern.

 

[waquzy]

It's probably why MS didn't show games in the months before XSX launched.

Also, is this the reason why Microsoft changed their slogan from the most powerful console to the most powerful Xbox?!

 

[onQ123]

What about this one ?

 

[TheShocker]

This is interesting. I bought my SX as mostly a third party machine and to play future first party MS games. I thought it would have a slight edge like many here. I don't hold any dying loyalty to either company, so if this trend continues I will move my third party purchases over to my PS5. I always buy all the consoles, so if my SX ends up getting less use then I originally thought it's not a big deal. MS has made a lot of good moves over the last few years, so it is a bit of a head scratcher if they end up underperforming the PS5 and why they didn't have exclusives ready for launch.

I'll have to keep an eye on things to see if the trend continues. Right now I am debating if I should move my Cyberpunk preorder from XB over to PS.

I will say I am currently playing AC on SX and haven't had any issues. The game looks great.

I wouldn’t worry about it too much. Your last sentence is the biggest take away from the whole thing. You’re enjoying the game.

I too bought a series X at launch. Xbox has always been my go to. Just like every other generation, I’ll pick up a PlayStation within its first year. I’ll enjoy that too and leave the bickering to the forum.

 

[Riky]

Means nothing, Series S was never intended to deliver this resolutions.

Frame rate wise the Series S is a lot more solid and has none of the tearing that plagues the One X version badly. Also loads a lot quicker, I bet the frame rate graph for One X isn't pretty. I've played both.

 

[Vaztu]

Might be talking about the overall captured footage and not all of it was shown in the video (it would be hours long).

I am not too sure about that. Since he says "at its worst, we noted PS5 delivering a 15 per cent performance advantage over its Microsoft equivalent in identical scenarios"

So, in that identical scenario the performance advantage is greater than 25%. Since he mentions at its worst, that is the worst I have seen.

But yeah I am not a native English speaker, so I may be taking this too literally.

 

[AgentP]

Wait did people really think the series s would run games in 60 fps? How would that be possible.

It's the same CPU, so it can, they just don't want to run in 900P I guess.

 

[sircaw]

Series X is on a tear.

Oh no you Didn't lol

BAD BAD BOY