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[Digital Foundry] Watch Dogs Legion: PlayStation 5 vs Xbox Series X|S - Graphics, Performance, Ray Tracing!
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Evilms
Banned
-Anisotropic filtering: PS5 > XSX > ... > XSS.
-RT reflections are identical on both consoles.
-Some RT reflections are missing for puddles on PS5. It is assumed that this is a bug since there is nothing about it in the game configuration files.
-The loading times : PS5 with 18s against XSX/XSS with 26s.
-The PS5 and XSX use exactly the same settings. RT resolution, geometry, shadows ... etc.
-The XSS uses lower settings such as lower shadow resolution, lower LOD with more noticeable pop-ins and lower anisotropic filtering, making textures blurred.
-The same applies to the RT LOD, with more distant buildings not appearing on reflections.
-For some reason the XSX uses a slightly lower AF than the PS5, this may be a bug.
-The resolution is basically the same between the XSX and PS5 versions with a few drops on the 1440P night sections.
-The XSS can go down to 900p which deteriorates the overall image quality, sometimes the same problem occurs on the XSX/PS5 even though it is lower.
-Locked at 30fps on all consoles.
-He discovered a 60fps Mode on the configurations.
-Apart from that, the game seems identical on PS5 and XSX at least.
-RT reflections are identical on both consoles.
-Some RT reflections are missing for puddles on PS5. It is assumed that this is a bug since there is nothing about it in the game configuration files.
-The loading times : PS5 with 18s against XSX/XSS with 26s.
-The PS5 and XSX use exactly the same settings. RT resolution, geometry, shadows ... etc.
-The XSS uses lower settings such as lower shadow resolution, lower LOD with more noticeable pop-ins and lower anisotropic filtering, making textures blurred.
-The same applies to the RT LOD, with more distant buildings not appearing on reflections.
-For some reason the XSX uses a slightly lower AF than the PS5, this may be a bug.
-The resolution is basically the same between the XSX and PS5 versions with a few drops on the 1440P night sections.
-The XSS can go down to 900p which deteriorates the overall image quality, sometimes the same problem occurs on the XSX/PS5 even though it is lower.
-Locked at 30fps on all consoles.
-He discovered a 60fps Mode on the configurations.
-Apart from that, the game seems identical on PS5 and XSX at least.
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Cherrypepsi
Member
pfff parity, how boring!
Fuel that fire Digital Foundry, entertain us!
Fuel that fire Digital Foundry, entertain us!
Neko Mimi Mode
Member
Quick Resume makes that a moot point.
The whole purpose, and summary, of the article/video was demonstrating parity.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
PS5 looks lower res here, look at the print and the window in the back.
The PS5's 22% uplift in pixel fillrate over SX likely makes up for the lack of 2 TF.
That's a smart GPU design, IMO. Do more with less.
4k@60FPS is about 480Mpixels/second while the fill rate of the PS5 is 142.72 Gpixels/second vs Series X 116.8 Gpixels/second; Both are way above the necessary in this aspect. So I dont believe this to be the cause of the identical performance between the two GPUs.
regawdless
Banned
The Series S version looks pretty rough in general. I think it would've been a better decision if they would've disabled raytracing and used the resources for a higher resolution, better AF and asset quality.
The hardware power just isn't there.
The hardware power just isn't there.
NullZ3r0
Banned
Watch Dogs: Legion - essentially identical on PS5 and Xbox Series X
Featuring a beautifully rendered open world recreating one of the world's most iconic cities, while leaning heavily int…www.eurogamer.net
They say everything is same between ps55 and xsx from performance to resolution to raytracing . just one tiny difference:
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Series X delivers a slightly lower level of texture filtering than its PS5 equivalent.
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Video:
And PS5 missing puddles in RT reflections.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
These are not TBDR’s so you have overdraw to take into account plus amounts of pre-passes on the back buffer and other off screen render targets too (see shadow maps generation too).
Md Ray
Member
Rasterization rate is also 22% higher. 8.92 Gtri/sec vs 7.3 Gtri/sec
01011001
Banned
the Watch Dogs games were all terribly optimised for anything above 30fps.
at the time of release, Watch Dogs 2 was almost impossible to run at a stable 60fps on PC for example.
you'd need a monster PC for the time and run with checkerboarding to lock it to 60fps.
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NullZ3r0
Banned
Nope. Just for crossgen launch games.
Agnostic2020
Member
Puddles are not missing . In reflection puddles are missing .
Pretty much. I wonder what exactly did he expect to be better tho.
So, aside from some graphical bugs, it's identical resolution and frame-rate again on both. I'll admit I expected PS5 to consistently have lower resolution than SX right off the bat. But this is really surprising.
What an amazing piece of kit the PS5 is.
Indeed. The lil engine that could.
I know this was already answered, but missing puddles in a reflection. A window was reflecting the scene and puddles were missing on PS5. Puddles do show reflections.
Its basically the same game. Such a boring face off.....I like it, lol.
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onnextflix5
Member
Ps5 wins again, 12tf is flopping hard lol. $399 bargin. What are ms doing doing, they should have gone with 10tf at $399
Handy Fake
Member
Would have been a better decision to just disable the whole bloody console.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
imo this is a ps5 win.
regawdless
Banned
I remember how bad it ran. Even on high end systems. It was simply not designed as a 60fps game.
Mr Moose
Member
It's a win for both.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
I forgot, it’s the tools
Topher
Gold Member
Just with RT enabled though, right?
michaelius
Banned
We are looking for 2 missing TFlops
They left home on 12th November and haven't been seen since then.
Whoever knows their location please send info to Phil.Spencer@Microsoft.com
But more seriously any game at parity is pretty much loss for Microsoft since they advertised power as major differential factor.
And series S is just one gigantic waste of resources.
They left home on 12th November and haven't been seen since then.
Whoever knows their location please send info to Phil.Spencer@Microsoft.com
But more seriously any game at parity is pretty much loss for Microsoft since they advertised power as major differential factor.
And series S is just one gigantic waste of resources.
TBiddy
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AF has to do with the ROPS & PS5 being clocked faster give it a ROPS advantage so that might be it.
GHG
Gold Member
The Series S is struggling with cross gen games... I don't know what they expect then console to do when the next gen games start rolling in. Hope people are happy with 720p.
Did you even watch the video?
Did you even watch the video?
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LivingD3AD
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onnextflix5
Member
Really, how is it a win for the 12tf console lol
TheDude108
Member
Its not a draw though is it? XSX has lower AF, PS5 has missing reflections. PS5 has faster loading. So the first 2 issues will probably get fixed, but the faster loading is system exclusive.
The game looks pretty crap though, so its not a big deal. Both are similarly not great looking.
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Night.Ninja
Banned
They should have waited for the patch this is video pointless
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01011001
Banned
texture filtering has no impact on performance on any modern GPU. play any game on any PC card and toggle through the different texture filter settings. you will not see a performance impact in 99.9% of cases
ethomaz
Banned
Summary from Uzupedro.
TL;DW
TL;DW
- PS5 and XSX uses the exact same configurations. RT resolution, geometry, shadows etc
- XSS uses lower configurations, like lower resolution on shadows, lower LOD with pop-in being more noticeable and lower anisotropic filtering, making textures blurrier.
- And the same applies to RT LOD, more distant buildings doesn't appear on reflections
- For some reason the XSX uses a slightly lower AF than PS5, very likely a bug since on the files it shows the same as PS5's.
- For some reason puddles don't reflects on RT on the PS5, very likely a bug since on the files it shows the same as XSX's.
- PS5 has a faster loading time(PS5 18:26s +- and XSX/XSS 26s +-), but Alex doesn't find it much impressive overall
- Resolution and resolution scaling is basically identical between XSX and PS5 versions, dips more likely to happen in night sections and with high vegetation, with the lower being 1440P, but unlikely to happen.
- XSS has a lowest of 900P but it is very stable on 1080P, but even so Alex thinks it looks worse than 1080P due RT resolutions, which worsens the overall image quality, the same effect happens on the XSX/PS5, but at a lower degree.
- Locked 30FPS on all consoles.
- Hidden 60FPS mode on the configurations.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Nah it is a draw,with bugs because Ubi and that little loading time advantage is not much.
Because now not getting embarrassed by PS5 is a win for Xbox Series X
Mr Moose
Member
It doesn't run like shit and it looks decent enough, it's a win for both.
Both consoles are close to each other, there won't be a huge difference.
TBiddy
Member
Most people playing this game on XSX will enjoy it via Quick Resume. But yes, the 8 second difference on the first load is surely enough to make this a gargantuan win for the PS5.
TheDude108
Member
You mentioned parity, this is not what parity is. So long as Quick Resume actually works then yea, enjoy
3liteDragon
Member
No they’re pretty much identical with a few bugs and minor differences.
TBiddy
Member
You mentioned parity, this is not what parity is. So long as Quick Resume actually works then yea, enjoy
It's exactly what parity is. The game runs equally poor on both platforms.
onnextflix5
Member
Xss lol, its struggling already, whats gonna happen in a few years lol.
GHG
Gold Member
Quick resume saving the day when the "performance crown" falls flat on its face.
Yes, of course. You know that a few seconds faster could make a big difference in this game, man. Very smart appreciation from your side. BTW dualsense is not fully implemented in this game. Mostly it´s depending if you like more the stick in the top or in the bottom. Oh yes I forgot, if you have two games open at the same time probably it goes quite better in Xbox.
reinking
Gold Member
This is the most parity we have seen in a game and in this thread people claiming wins for one console over another. Sorry fellas, we are in the Watch Dogs ship together. We either all win or all lose depending how the game pans out.
I have this game and have gone through the tutorial.. ..Alex did not mention (unless I missed it) but there is some adaptive trigger support on PS5. It's not enough to call that a win either so....
I have this game and have gone through the tutorial.. ..Alex did not mention (unless I missed it) but there is some adaptive trigger support on PS5. It's not enough to call that a win either so....
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
All the faster loading on PS5 games is lost as you have to remove games from the ssd as its smaller the the XSX ssd.