FranXico
Member
Sony, just like MS, updates their SDK? What's so ridiculous about that?
Do you think the PS5 is already maxed out?
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Microsoft Responds to Optimized Launch Game Performance Issues
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Do you think the PS5 is already maxed out?
Riky
$MSFT
Glad to know it was software and 3rd partys holding halo infinite back.
It was on PC, we haven't seen the Xbox version yet. So your claiming PC is holding Halo Infinite back
EOD, it’s only a big deal for the fanboy flame wars. Both systems have kinks to work out.
Unknown?
Member
Nah and if that was on PC, that was terrible.It was on PC, we haven't seen the Xbox version yet. So your claiming PC is holding Halo Infinite back
Monkeygourmet
Banned
It doesn’t matter now.
Even if the Series X surpasses the PS5 in the near future it was vital it came out of the gates winning these head to heads comfortably and it just hasn’t.
Once again, more excuses and more damage control.
By the time MS achieve parity or better more PS5 exclusives will drop which will once again be the best looking games of the gen.
MS fucked up this launch in every way imaginable lol
Even if the Series X surpasses the PS5 in the near future it was vital it came out of the gates winning these head to heads comfortably and it just hasn’t.
Once again, more excuses and more damage control.
By the time MS achieve parity or better more PS5 exclusives will drop which will once again be the best looking games of the gen.
MS fucked up this launch in every way imaginable lol
Aceofspades
Banned
We will solve the issues! 
kyoji
Member
im not claiming anything but apologists should be tired of making excuses for MS, as should MS themselves. When we examine the end of this generation will the new meta be late tools?It was on PC, we haven't seen the Xbox version yet. So your claiming PC is holding Halo Infinite back
Or will people admit they underestimated the ps5? Never that.. that would mean eating crow.
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Ceadeus
Gold Member
Ah ok, well no, I was talking about Xbox because this thread was about Xbox. On Sony's side, developers might be more comfortable working on its playstation tech over Xbox. Microsoft also said something about late manufacturing because they wanted ''full RDNA2''. So maybe it made the whole development process longer on the Xbox?
Well, there has to be a good reason before pro Sony come by saying '' PS5 is better''
I think it's more complicated.
keram
Member
PS5 outperforming Xbox Series? Microsoft responds
Microsoft has responded to reports that games optimised for the next-gen systems are experiencing better performance on PS5 | Trusted Reviewswww.trustedreviews.com
So the tool, tools tools mantra was wrong.
It's all about bugs, bugs, bugs introduced by developers not familiar with (the power of) Series X, right?
fanboys FTL
diffusionx
Gold Member
I really feel like the vidya sites’ desire to be accommodating to all sides ultimately does people a disservice, because the XSX is not a console worth buying right now but saying so pisses off the fanboys. That’s not to say it will always be that way, but right now, $500, one console, the XSX is behind the PS5 in every way even the few things it was supposed to be strong in.
No, but working with some of MS SDKs (not console related) I really know how bad they can be
Sony did a great job with the PS4 SDK after the PS3 desaster (much to hard at the beginning) and they did good work with the PS5 SDK. But MS absolutely nails it to get the worst SDK for a launch together they can. I really don't know why they always do this.
It is always the same, they need much to much time to get their software on the road.
I'm working with other MS products and I can tell you, it is more or less the same in all regards. They are way behind the competition in many parts and their SDKs are just incoherent and sometime even totally incorrect. Well, at least that is my developer experience with their SDKs.
LooseLips
Member
That's a really... limited perspective.
I remember the utter, utter car crash that was the Battlefield 4 launch: It simply didn't work. Anywhere.
It took time and a number of patches to even begin to function, but by the end of its life it really was an excellent entry in the series, popular and full servers across all platfroms for a time: success. Eventually.
I'm sure this is broadly analogous - I don't know where the 'all or nothing instant loss' take comes in? Becuase it's not strictly relevant when discussing the profitable success of a product from a company.
The reality, I think, is that both machines are so close, it'll just be close all through the generation, some ups and downs - with specific, tailored exclusives to obviously offer the shine on their respective platforms. The single most important thing for anyone who buys either, or both, of them is that the hardware is capable of decent performance. And I think that should be the case. Thank god we've left the laptop processor and 5400rpm generation behind...
Now Xbox fans are playing the waiting and praying hoping games their system will outperforms the PS5 which was supposed to be the weaker system. lol the irony!
Friends: So what games you have on your XSX?
XSX owner: I have "Alan Waiting" "Tools of War" "Halo Infinite Promises".
Friends: So what games you have on your XSX?
XSX owner: I have "Alan Waiting" "Tools of War" "Halo Infinite Promises".
I'm nobody
Member
Why are people bothered that Xbox is more powerful no Xbox one X game looked better than the last of us or god of war
What happend to Xbox been easy to make games and transfer too
What happend to Xbox been easy to make games and transfer too
Mobilemofo
Member
Microsoft: Poooowwwwaaahhhh!!!
Sony :
you go boy..most powerful Xbox ever..
Sony :
you go boy..most powerful Xbox ever..
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
The point is, the system is supposed to be more powerful, it already is on paper, hopefully you people don't get your panties in a twist when XSX suddenly starts outperforming your champion.
Sony camp members seem to be basking in sort of misguided glory off of a launch that just barely just happened
, as if these issues won't be sorted out.Quite laughable that ya'll seem to be overjoyed for parity or just because you're barely beating out competition with a few extra frames here and there and some neglible quicker load times.
Also, you want to talk about games? What would incline me in spending money on a ps5? For what? What does it have that warrants me spending money on it right now?
On the flip side, I have a massive backlog of games that I want to get through whenever I get my hands on a XSX. That's justification enough for me to buy one.
Lmfao.
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Sir Vilhelm
Member
SoraNoKuni
Member
A multi billion almost trillion company and they can't seem to get anything right, wtf.
They don't even know how to pay devs using the game pass platform.
They take great risks all while using aggressive marketing, let's hope it works for them...else.
They don't even know how to pay devs using the game pass platform.
They take great risks all while using aggressive marketing, let's hope it works for them...else.
ReBurn
Gold Member
My point is that it isn't relevant to the conversation. What does PS5 maybe also getting tool updates have to do with MS helping developers fix bugs and optimize games on XSX?
The point is, the system is supposed to be more powerful, it already is on paper, hopefully you people don't get your panties in a twist when XSX suddenly starts outperforming your champion.
Sony camp members seem to be basking in sort of misguided glory off of a launch that just barely just happened
Quite laughable that ya'll seem to be overjoyed for parity or just because you're barely beating out competition with a few extra frames here and there and some neglible quicker load times.
Also, you want to talk about games? What would incline me in spending money on a ps5? For what? What does it have that warrants me spending money on it right now?
On the flip side, I have a massive backlog of games that I want to get through whenever I get my hands on a XSX. That's justification enough for me to buy one.
Lmfao.
So you still believe teraflots is the definition of power?
So, the last 8, 9 months with duh hur hur 8tf, 9tf....RDNA 1,1.5, etc didn't happen....The point is, the system is supposed to be more powerful, it already is on paper, hopefully you people don't get your panties in a twist when XSX suddenly starts outperforming your champion.
Sony camp members seem to be basking in sort of misguided glory off of a launch that just barely just happened
Quite laughable that ya'll seem to be overjoyed for parity or just because you're barely beating out competition with a few extra frames here and there and some neglible quicker load times.
Also, you want to talk about games? What would incline me in spending money on a ps5? For what? What does it have that warrants me spending money on it right now?
On the flip side, I have a massive backlog of games that I want to get through whenever I get my hands on a XSX. That's justification enough for me to buy one.
Lmfao.
Of course some folks are gonna be basking in parity. Its hilarious.
That wasn't supposed to happen. "40% more powerful", "its a whole PS4 tf more!!!"
Hilarious. Instead of listening to rationale, informed opinions about it, soooo many latched onto 12TF and PS5 was overclocked at the last minute.
For Sony to be stumbling n bumbling into next gen, according to some ppl....they sure seem to have their shit together for game performance.
Its basically this:
Exactly.
Even Jason Ronald was spouting "variable clocks = hard to develop for"
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megreotsugua
Banned
Tom Warren is under stress right now due to cognitive dissonance. It must be hard for him to cope like the xbox fans here.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
I wonder when they'll wear a T-shirt showing the poor performance of their 'optimized' games. It'll be so funny and 'in' with the gamers.
megreotsugua
Banned
We will solve the issues!
You can't solve fundamental hardware flaws such as bottlenecked CUs.
Katt”BuckNasty”Johnston
Member
That’s pretty interesting from a dev standpoint. I passed on a network engineer position from MS because it seemed kinda meh as well. If you can, do you have some examples of SDK problems you had in the past and were they fixed promptly?No, but working with some of MS SDKs (not console related) I really know how bad they can be
Sony did a great job with the PS4 SDK after the PS3 desaster (much to hard at the beginning) and they did good work with the PS5 SDK. But MS absolutely nails it to get the worst SDK for a launch together they can. I really don't know why they always do this.
It is always the same, they need much to much time to get their software on the road.
I'm working with other MS products and I can tell you, it is more or less the same in all regards. They are way behind the competition in many parts and their SDKs are just incoherent and sometime even totally incorrect. Well, at least that is my developer experience with their SDKs.
Man, MS and their fanboys are desperate for that power crown. We have seen what both can do, they are nearly identical. Even if ms somehow pulls a smidge ahead of ps5, so what? They have dynamic 4k/60 at an average 1800p, but the playstation has 1700p? Wow! This isn't the one x or ps4 vs one. It's really not going to change how people are more interested in playstation.
KingdomHeartsFan
Member
Even if somehow things get better I think its obvious multiplats will be very close in performance, it won't be like this gen when PS4 was running games in 1080p and X1 was at 900p. I think they were really banking on having the best performing multiplats as a big selling point like it was for the PS4 at the start of this gen, but now with the difference being so small people will just go with their preferred console.
DaleinCalgary
Member
In all seriousness the first year is a crapshoot of poor performance, it will get better.
Hawking Radiation
Member
The point is, the system is supposed to be more powerful, it already is on paper, hopefully you people don't get your panties in a twist when XSX suddenly starts outperforming your champion.
Sony camp members seem to be basking in sort of misguided glory off of a launch that just barely just happened
Quite laughable that ya'll seem to be overjoyed for parity or just because you're barely beating out competition with a few extra frames here and there and some neglible quicker load times.
Also, you want to talk about games? What would incline me in spending money on a ps5? For what? What does it have that warrants me spending money on it right now?
On the flip side, I have a massive backlog of games that I want to get through whenever I get my hands on a XSX. That's justification enough for me to buy one.
Lmfao.
Where's the 30% performance gap.
12TF
World's most powerful console
Full RDNA2
We're still waiting...Don't make us wait too long
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Invalid GR
Member
We didn't get a word on first party incompetence though. Halo Infinite was planned to be a XSX launch title for years now and we all now how this turned out.
NullZ3r0
Banned
It is. The PS5 hanging with Series X in cross Gen launch games is like a Tesla Model 3 beating a Koenigsegg Agera in a 100 yd drag race.
assurdum
Banned
What exactly is it that superior performance of series X in 4k? I missed it
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assurdum
Banned
It's not. Stop to believe so much to the PR campaign.
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ZywyPL
Banned
Hawking Radiation
Member
Good for them. Maybe, hopefully now the Xbox can perform better in these mutliplatform games.
Lord knows we need them to.
So bring it..
Lord knows we need them to.
So bring it..
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Jdroop
Member
Seems they get something right since it’s almost a trillion dollar company...
Hawking Radiation
Member
You're telling me Xbox division is the reason they got to that 'almost' trillion dollar valuation?
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Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
The point is, the system is supposed to be more powerful, it already is on paper, hopefully you people don't get your panties in a twist when XSX suddenly starts outperforming your champion.
Sony camp members seem to be basking in sort of misguided glory off of a launch that just barely just happened
Quite laughable that ya'll seem to be overjoyed for parity or just because you're barely beating out competition with a few extra frames here and there and some neglible quicker load times.
Also, you want to talk about games? What would incline me in spending money on a ps5? For what? What does it have that warrants me spending money on it right now?
On the flip side, I have a massive backlog of games that I want to get through whenever I get my hands on a XSX. That's justification enough for me to buy one.
Lmfao.
Man, you must be fucking desperate and butthurt right now. MS didn’t delivered their big talk and now you are just trying way to hard hahahaha.
Hayabusabruh
Member
Just send the devs a copy of the specs captioned "bruh
" they'll feel like shit and eventually figure it out.
" they'll feel like shit and eventually figure it out.
kyoji
Member
bruh u cant be this dumb
Missing some super fast esram this time.
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
Where's the 30% performance gap.
12TF
World's most powerful console
Full RDNA2
We're still waiting...Don't make us wait too long
That's the point of their response, they are working on addressing this.
Who's saying that there was a 30% gap, did you see me state that? You mockingly ask this because of known stated specs, right? Go back to their response, that's what's going on.
How much would they edge out Sony is to be seen, the point is that they are supposed to and that's what's being worked on. Hopefully ya'll manage cope with that fact when it happens.
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
Who's butthurt? Who's desperate? About what? Because I'm pointing to their response? Lmao, the ones that seem to be worried are you people, taking a victory lap at the start of the race.
Lmfao
NullZ3r0
Banned
PR? No, I just know how to read.