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[DeepBreath87]

I will be pulling my kids out of public school if they try that here. I want more data before I subject my kids to this. It’s one thing for me as an adult to accept whatever risks there are. It’s another to force it on kids who aren’t at risk before it’s been fully studied.

 

[Vow of Silence]

I just thought this was interesting. Looking at New York now compared to last April. In April their reported 7-day average for cases peaked at 10,000. Deaths around that time peaked at 1000 per day.

Fast forward to today. New York’s cases are rising rapidly. Right now they’re 16,000 a day on average. 7 day average for deaths? About 175. More than 5 times lower than last spring. Now I’m sure the death numbers will continue to climb. But how many people were actually infected last spring? It had to be a crazy number. Like close to 100,000 infections a day just in New York.

I think ventilators killed a lot of people, also steroids weren’t being used back then which improves survival rates.

 

[DeepBreath87]

I think ventilators killed a lot of people, also steroids weren’t being used back then which improves survival rates.

I’m sure that is playing a part. But I’d bet the true infection numbers back then were staggering.

 

[prag16]

Hey thats not a nice thing to say dont you think prag

If they were or are disinfecting their groceries, then, well, if the shoe fits..

 

[12Goblins]

Sinovac: Brazil results show Chinese vaccine 50.4% effective

Latest results show Sinovac's Covid-19 vaccine is less effective in Brazil than previously suggested.

www.bbc.com

 

[12Goblins]

RGB MASK

 

[Airbus Jr]

Most healthcare workers you know are morons.

Hey thats not a nice thing to say dont you think prag

If they were or are disinfecting their groceries, then, well, if the shoe fits..

You said most healthcare workers are morons

I suppose my fellow gamer friend prag16 from neogaf is the real expert here when it comes to covid 19 ?

Prag...prag..prag...oh my litle prag...

 

[carlosrox]

my fellow gamer friend prag16 from neogaf is the real expert here when it comes to covid 19

No the real experts said masks didn't do shit, got tons and tons of people killed due to their misinformation and lack of action, refuse to lockdown (cuz according to them it was "2 weeks" to "flatten the curve"), and disobey the very restrictions they impose on everybody else.

Listen to the experts.



Some guy on a forum actually probably would handle this Casedemic better.

 

[Airbus Jr]

No the real experts said masks didn't do shit, got tons and tons of people killed due to their misinformation and lack of action, refuse to lockdown (cuz according to them it was "2 weeks" to "flatten the curve"), and disobey the very restrictions they impose on everybody else.

Listen to the experts.



Some guy on a forum actually probably would handle this Casedemic better.

But medical experts such as Dr Fauci said wearing mask will protect me

Which one i should trust?

Medical experts statement like Dr Fauci (the people who told me to wear mask)

Vs people who told me not to wear mask

Like my fellow friend on Gaf like carlos deepbreath and prag opinion who said wearing mask didnt do shit?

Hard decision

 

[carlosrox]

But medical experts such as Dr Fauci said wearing mask will protect me

Yeah about that.

And cops are meant to protect people but who killed George Floyd? A cop.

The President and politicians are supposed to protect us but....we know how that goes.

You're basically saying I'll blindly follow shit just because an authority says so.

lol you really gonna bring out the tinfoil hat?
Keep that mask on tight like a good little doggy.

Vs people who told me not to wear mask

Wear whatever you want, I don't give one fuck.

 

[Airbus Jr]

Yeah about that.

And cops are meant to protect people but who killed George Floyd? A cop.

The President and politicians are supposed to protect us but....we know how that goes.

You're basically saying I'll blindly follow shit just because an authority says so.

lol you really gonna bring out the tinfoil hat?
Keep that mask on tight like a good little doggy.

Lol whatever dream on

Im not taking covid advice from you or your dear friend Joe T who said covid is an amalgamation of flu, cancer and tumours

 

[carlosrox]

Im not taking covid advice from you

Like I give a shit. Do whatever the fuck you want, I'm not telling you what to do.

I'm sure as shit not taking any of your advice or the advice of an incompetent health authority that couldn't even decide whether or not masks were effective and lied out their ass about "2 weeks to flatten the curve" while "our numbers go up" 10 months later when everyone is forced to wear masks most of the time.

How are the numbers HIGHER NOW then they were before when LESS people were wearing masks? Sorry, doesn't add up.

Wanna explain the last part to me or keep using your retarded laughing reaction? I'll just go an add a laughing reaction to all your boot licking posts too then!

 

[Airbus Jr]

How are the numbers HIGHER NOW then they were before when LESS people were wearing masks? Sorry, doesn't add up.

Prob it has something to do with people who refuses to wear it...ever think of it?

Just because theres more people wearing mask it doesnt mean the people who doesnt cant transmit the virus

Just food for thought

Have a nice day carlos

 

[carlosrox]

Prob it has something to do with people who refuses to wear it...ever think of it?

Just food for thought

Have a nice day

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah that makes so much fuckin sense.

It's a FACT that MORE people are wearing masks than they ever were before. This can't be disputed.

So the 0.0001% who refuse to wear masks are somehow responsible for ALL DAT COVID?
Must be those anti maskers!!!!!1 All those HoUSe PaRtiES!!!1

I guess people who don't want to wear masks automatically have COVID then.
COVID knows if you you're an "anti-masker" and automatically seeks those people out! That'll show em! Every anti-masker has COVID didn't you know??


Come up with an explanation that makes a little sense please cuz your logic currently sucks my dick.

 

[notseqi]

"Potentially sick people." That is literally anybody. Vax or not. COVID or not. If you are going to take people without the vaccine, term ONLY THEM as "potentially sick people" and create a category of second class citizens based on that, then the only sick person in this discussion is you (and anyone else in favor of this bullshit).

A country decides what their terms for letting people in, what is defined as sick and what is not. Don't let me spell out every single thing for you.
If a country requires it, you know beforehand. I don't wave my passport around to let everybody know where I was born, how old I am or what my gender is, the data in that passport is, apart from the people put into authority to verify that it is indeed me in that passport, relatively secure from prying eyes.
Additional documentation is fine if you don't have a vaccine passport, it doesn't tell anybody what is in it. Stay home if you don't want it, last I checked you don't need a passport to leave your driveway.

I'd sure like to see what you and others in here do all day to have such an allergic reaction to anything that is proposed, seeing everything as black or white and categorizing me and others here pushing for a moderate or 'wait and see' response as sick or stupid and proposing nothing helpful in return apart from 'FREEDOM™', instead trying to win an argument that shouldn't be one with kindergarten tactics about rhetoric.

I am relieved you don't have a say in this and your types aren't living close. I'll stick with trying new ways out and keeping the things that work, even if it's only 2% better than what we did before.

 

[Airbus Jr]

Come up with an explanation that makes a little sense please cuz your logic currently sucks my dick.

My personal opinion you should be the one asking this question to yourself carlos

Youre the conspiracy theorist here not me

 

[carlosrox]

My personal opinion you should be the one asking this question to yourself carlos

Your the conspiracy theorist here not me

This doesn't make any sense at all but I guess that's par for the course for COVID tards.

It's your narrative, not mine. Please give me a reasonable explanation how COVID goes UP with MORE people wearing masks. Our baseball card COVID STATS were lower before masks were mandated indoors.

Bet you a million dollars nobody can explain that one.

 

[Joe T.]

Im not taking covid advice from you or your dear friend Joe T who said covid is an amalgamation of flu, cancer and tumours

You are impervious to facts and official statements that run counter to the mainstream narrative. Job well done, soldier.

I do savor the opportunity to bludgeon you with them, though.

News

St. Louis, Missouri breaking and local news updates from KMOV News 4

www.kmov.com

 

[notseqi]

Yeah about that.

How the hell, after almost one year of this shit, are you still not understanding that you are to some degree protecting other people from your possibly Covid-laden aerosols which is why it is imperative for _everybody_ to wear one where distance can't be kept or fresh air isn't moving/moved at sufficient speed to let droplets subside?



The mind boggles.

 

[FunkMiller]

This has basically been my argument. All methods for controlling the virus have failed. You can blame that on whatever you want. Bad policies. Noncompliance. Trump. The nature of the virus. Whatever. Doesn’t matter. All failures.

This is where your logic falls apart. The various responses to the pandemic from governments have been right across the board from terrible to good.

How do you know things wouldn’t be much worse without the measures taken?

I’ll answer for you: you don’t.

You're looking at the situation like we’re in the worst possible position, one that has been a complete failure. You don’t know this.

Arguably, we’re neither in a good place, nor a bad place, because responses have been so varied across the board.

So to claim failure of those efforts that have been put in to control the virus is wrong, and not based on evidence.

 

[carlosrox]

News

St. Louis, Missouri breaking and local news updates from KMOV News 4

www.kmov.com

The Coroner must be a FLAT EARTHER ScIeNcE dEniER!!

 

[Vow of Silence]

I’m sure that is playing a part. But I’d bet the true infection numbers back then were staggering.

The accounts I've seen from whistleblower nurses indicate a large number of iatrogenic deaths in NYC.

Of course these nurses are smeared but they have every incentive to stay quiet and no incentive to lie, so I cannot just dismiss their testimony. The YouTube links to their videos have also been removed

Nurse in NYC claims ventilators are killing COVID-19 patients

A frontline nurse working in New York on COVID-19 patients claims the city is killing sufferers by putting them on ventilators, advocating against them, video obtained by DailyMail.com shows.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Nurse in NYC claims ventilators are killing COVID-19 patients

A frontline nurse working in New York on COVID-19 patients claims the city is killing sufferers by putting them on ventilators, advocating against them, video obtained by DailyMail.com shows.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Covid-19 epicenter nurse turns whistleblower with bombshell book

A COVID-19 epicenter nurse has turned whistleblower with a bombshell book, and claims “fraud, negligence, and greed” led to unnecessary deaths, The Sun can reveal. Erin Olszewski is cal…

www.thesun.co.uk

When you combine PCR test false positives, financial incentives to claim a death is from coronavirus, the stopping or massive reduction in autopsies performed in 2020, the massive reduction or cessation of healthcare for other conditions, economic hardship caused by lockdown measures leading to deaths of despair, I think this leads to a confusing situation in which there is a wide scope for doubting how much coronavirus itself played in the numbers of deaths.

 

[Joe T.]

This is where your logic falls apart. The various responses to the pandemic from governments have been right across the board from terrible to good.

How do you know things wouldn’t be much worse without the measures taken?

I’ll answer for you: you don’t.

Open up and see. Or is this all about fear/control?

We do know we've overreacted. Tanzania is proof. Sweden's been proof. Belarus has been proof. If this virus was what you believe it is then they'd have succumbed to it long ago. They did not. This argument you're clinging to is dead.

 

[Vow of Silence]

Depends what you mean by ulterior, but it's not debatable whether governments try to influence people's behaviour via messaging:

COVID Coercion UK: SAGE Documents Reveal Psychological Operations Against Public - 21st Century Wire

Mike Robinson | Internal government documents reveal direct psychological operations being waged against the UK population.

21stcenturywire.com

Original pdf from SPI-B: https://assets.publishing.service.g...ce-to-social-distancing-measures-22032020.pdf

The 'Persuasion' and 'Coercion' sections are of particular interest:



The above is basically saying we need to deliberately scare people, so using fear to control people's behaviour. The document is not related to the effectiveness of any of the measures, only how to get people to adhere to them.



This acknowledges they are playing with fire by creating an outgroup that can be victimised. The strong caveat was not heeded at all and full throated encouragement to shame non-mask wearers was taken from the outset:

Metro Newspaper site Metro.news has a new online home on Metro.co.uk | Metro UK

Exciting news: Metro.News has merged with metro.co.uk!

www.metro.news

In my view this approach has been disastrous. It has given moral busy bodies, snitches and jobsworths the government approved moral high ground to victimise and attack people who question the government measures, and even asking questions around the effectiveness of the measures as something which is now subject to social disapproval.

I know of one disabled lady who lives locally who is terrified of going to the shops because she has breathing difficulties and cannot wear a mask, but she is scared of the social disapproval and dirty looks she is given.

This would even be an issue if masks work, which there is no strong evidence that they do. The major RCT trials on masks, which are the highest standard evidence we have, are inconclusive other than to say that cloth masks may actually increase respiratory infections.

A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers - PubMed

Australian New Zealand Clinical Trials Registry: ACTRN12610000887077.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

ACP Journals

Mandating masks has also been tested in court, and masks lost:



The updated advice on masks was due to political pressure, the WHO told a BBC Newsnight journalist:



Here is another collection of studies on masks that is worth reviewing:

Leonard Pozner vs. James Fetzer - Dane County Case 2018CV003122

Wisconsin Circuit Court Access. Dane County Case Number 2018CV003122 Leonard Pozner vs. James Fetzer et al. Stamped Summons,

jamesfetzer.org

And a German mask study shows harmful effects on children: https://imperfectplan.com/2021/01/0...wearing-covid-masks-does-more-harm-than-good/

FunkMiller , I know you are pro-mask. I am not. I think they are damaging, and have become mostly signs of political allegiance and tools of compliance. I believe I have provided enough evidence in this post to 'show my working' and believe any reasonable person acknowledge that my position is valid, and there should be no government approved social shaming for those who do not want to wear them.

Are you at all swayed by any of this, and if not, why not?

FunkMiller notseqi Airbus Jr you may have missed my post on the effectiveness of masks in which I lay out a lot of evidence for my position that they are not effective in preventing infections and may even increase them (which was the mainstream position at the start of the pandemic).

Would appreciate a response from you all.

 

[Airbus Jr]

FunkMiller notseqi Airbus Jr you may have missed my post on the effectiveness of masks in which I lay out a lot of evidence for my position that they are not effective in preventing infections and may even increase them (which was the mainstream position at the start of the pandemic).

Would appreciate a response from you all.

This is the logic you use (for wearing mask is useless to prevent covid)

Wearing extra protection like armor, shield and spear is not effective in a bear fight

So better use nothing at all ( fight barefist)

 

[notseqi]

Open up and see. Or is this all about fear/control?

Open up and see... what? 9/11 inside job? HAARP? Chemtrails? Podesta? Bilderberg? Oh, it's still about Corona.
The data indicates you're a little too deep into it. The data never lies. Don't ignore the facts.
I meant all media, not just the mainstream one. We can see where you are coming from, we can see what they want.

Can't open that link to Kmov, geoblocked.

FunkMiller notseqi Airbus Jr you may have missed my post on the effectiveness of masks in which I lay out a lot of evidence for my position that they are not effective in preventing infections and may even increase them (which was the mainstream position at the start of the pandemic).

Would appreciate a response from you all.

Why do you need a response for that? None of that would warrant the slightest attempt to dispute it. Prolonged use of masks is creating a breeding ground for any viral infection.
The study is about healthcare workers, people that are dealing with sick people. Medical professionals. They should know better and get tested regularly. My brother gets tested every week. Uses a new mask in every room, opens windows. Disinfects and puts on gloves, alternates. Keeps on the one-way paths and goes the long way to minimize contact.

What does it say about the public space where the most of the spreading happens? When I am forced to wear a mask if I want to enter a supermarket for a whopping 15minutes, am obligated to take a cart even if I just want a can of soda.
A slight change in routine, and you can't even agree to do that. Laughable.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25903751/
'Conclusions: This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated.'

 

[DeepBreath87]

This is where your logic falls apart. The various responses to the pandemic from governments have been right across the board from terrible to good.

How do you know things wouldn’t be much worse without the measures taken?

I’ll answer for you: you don’t.

You're looking at the situation like we’re in the worst possible position, one that has been a complete failure. You don’t know this.

Arguably, we’re neither in a good place, nor a bad place, because responses have been so varied across the board.

So to claim failure of those efforts that have been put in to control the virus is wrong, and not based on evidence.

I’m talking strictly about the United States now, which is a large country with 50 different states doing 50 different things. I’m not really talking about masks. Everyone is doing masks. I’m talking about government restrictions. None of them made any difference. No state is doing drastically better than the rest. Some clamped down hard while others barely at all. It has made no difference in terms of controlling the virus.

Florida has no restrictions essentially. Texas has very few restrictions. In California you aren’t even allowed to eat outside, much less do anything inside. Hasn’t really changed anything. Certainly hasn’t worked well enough to justify the economic impact in California. Schools are open in many places. Never opened in others. Doesn’t seem to matter. Except to the massive increase kids who have been failing thanks to “virtual learning”.

My point is not that masks don’t work. We can agree to disagree. The point is government restrictions aren’t working.

 

[Vow of Silence]

How the hell, after almost one year of this shit, are you still not understanding that you are to some degree protecting other people from your possibly Covid-laden aerosols which is why it is imperative for _everybody_ to wear one where distance can't be kept or fresh air isn't moving/moved at sufficient speed to let droplets subside?



The mind boggles.

I'm sorry but that gif does not prove anything. If it does then here's a counter video with more evidence clearly showing that vaping through a mask does not prevent the spread of aerosols.

 

[Vow of Silence]

This is the logic you use (for wearing mask is useless to prevent covid)

Wearing extra protection like armor, shield and spear is not effective in a bear fight

So better use nothing at all ( fight barefist)

Thanks for the response to my long and evidenced post which you clearly didn't spend the time to read with a metaphor about fistfighting a bear.

 

[Airbus Jr]

I'm sorry but that gif does not prove anything. If it does then here's a counter video with more evidence clearly showing that vaping through a mask does not prevent the spread of aerosols.

Did you just seriously compared the mask for covid with mask for vaping?

Oh dear...

On second though....Im on neogaf talking covid with gamers...not harvard medical student or teacher so this kind of discussion is to be expected

Carry on

 

[notseqi]

I'm sorry but that gif does not prove anything. If it does then here's a counter video with more evidence clearly showing that vaping through a mask does not prevent the spread of aerosols.

The gif shows that it doesn't prevent the spread of aerosols.
It shows that it limits it, and if you don't have strangers trying to nuzzle your neck all day, it looks like it's effective when added to keeping distance.

Must be straight up dishonesty by now, I'm not sure. I feel like I'm getting trolled.

edit: Oh boy, that video, comparing smoke to droplets. totes amaze
'An aerosol (abbreviation of "aero-solution") is a suspension of fine solid particles or liquid droplets in air or another gas.'

 

[DeepBreath87]

Did you just seriously compared the mask for covid with mask for vaping?

Oh dear

On second though....Im on neogaf talking covid with gamers...not harvard medical student or teacher so this kind of discussion is to be expected

Carry on

You just compared wearing a mask to wearing armor to a bear fight. Like one post ago. You actually did it twice in this thread so you clearly don’t realize how stupid of a comparison it is. I think you lost the right to feign arrogance after that.

 

[Joe T.]

Open up and see... what? 9/11 inside job? HAARP? Chemtrails? Podesta? Bilderberg? Oh, it's still about Corona.
The data indicates you're a little too deep into it. The data never lies. Don't ignore the facts.
I meant all media, not just the mainstream one. We can see where you are coming from, we can see what they want.

Can't open that link to Kmov, geoblocked.

Open up the cities, states and countries to see how things work without the measures in place, PCR tests included. I thought that was obvious given his question.

Do you think Tanzania and Belarus have far superior health care systems to the US, UK, China, etc? They handled it, what makes you think the rest of the world couldn't?

 

[Airbus Jr]

You just compared wearing a mask to wearing armor to a bear fight. Like one post ago. You actually did it twice in this thread so you clearly don’t realize how stupid of a comparison it is. I think you lost the right to feign arrogance after that.

Im reading your post history and it appear youre a Trump fan

Whats up with you guys and the anti mask campaign? Its becoming a very obvious pattern here

I encountered one of hardcore Trump fans on facebook once

He said to me that wearing mask is a sign of lack of faith to god and doubting gods protection

I met another one there but with different reason

He said to me that mask are used to control population and fearmongering
( i still dont understand his reasoning)

Is that what you guys believe ? Just asking here

 

[notseqi]

Open up the cities, states and countries to see how things work without the measures in place, PCR tests included. I thought that was obvious given his question.

Do you think Tanzania and Belarus have far superior health care systems to the US, UK, China, etc? They handled it, what makes you think the rest of the world couldn't?

Tanzania isn't testing and Belarus is in civil unrest, how the fuck do you think they're 'handling it'. Countries with (semi-)authoritarian regimes always handle shit great.

Open up your cities, not ours. Best of luck to you.

You just compared wearing a mask to wearing armor to a bear fight. Like one post ago. You actually did it twice in this thread so you clearly don’t realize how stupid of a comparison it is. I think you lost the right to feign arrogance after that.

You're really not getting his point? Do you want to be protected a bit or do you not want to be protected at all; is what he's saying.

 

[DeepBreath87]

The gif shows that it doesn't prevent the spread of aerosols.
It shows that it limits it, and if you don't have strangers trying to nuzzle your neck all day, it looks like it's effective when added to keeping distance.

Must be straight up dishonesty by now, I'm not sure. I feel like I'm getting trolled.

edit: Oh boy, that video, comparing smoke to droplets. totes amaze
'An aerosol (abbreviation of "aero-solution") is a suspension of fine solid particles or liquid droplets in air or another gas.'

You’re trying to talk shit about a video? You posted a gif a second ago. Now you apparently don’t know the difference between droplets and aerosols.

COVID-19: Droplet or Airborne Transmission? Penn Medicine Epidemiologists Issue Statement - Penn Medicine

The coronavirus airborne vs. droplet transmission controversy currently involves scientists with very different perspectives on viral transmission—those involved in the study of airflow in contained environments, and those who research viral infection and spread in populations.

www.pennmedicine.org

By comparison to droplets, aerosolized particles are infinitesimal. Size alone is not the only important distinction: Dropletsfall to earth quickly, but aerosols can travel on air currents potentially for hours.

 

[Vow of Silence]

Open up and see... what? 9/11 inside job? HAARP? Chemtrails? Podesta? Bilderberg? Oh, it's still about Corona.
The data indicates you're a little too deep into it. The data never lies. Don't ignore the facts.
I meant all media, not just the mainstream one. We can see where you are coming from, we can see what they want.

Can't open that link to Kmov, geoblocked.


Why do you need a response for that? None of that would warrant the slightest attempt to dispute it. Prolonged use of masks is creating a breeding ground for any viral infection.
The study is about healthcare workers, people that are dealing with sick people. Medical professionals. They should know better and get tested regularly. My brother gets tested every week. Uses a new mask in every room, opens windows. Disinfects and puts on gloves, alternates. Keeps on the one-way paths and goes the long way to minimize contact.

What does it say about the public space where the most of the spreading happens? When I am forced to wear a mask if I want to enter a supermarket for a whopping 15minutes, am obligated to take a cart even if I just want a can of soda.
A slight change in routine, and you can't even agree to do that. Laughable.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25903751/
'Conclusions: This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated.'

Ok, thanks for the rational response. It's true, wearing a single surgical mask immediately disposed of after entering a shop for 15 minutes is not really much of an inconvenience, and unlikely to cause an issue, however it is largely performative rather than effective. I disagree with performative measures, not the inconvenience. I don't think lack of inconvenience is a good measure for healthcare policy - we could ask people to do all sorts of unproven things to protect themselves and say that it's not inconvenient to do so and therefore people should do it just in case it works. There are other mask measures which make no sense such as not wearing a mask whilst sitting at a table in a restaurant but putting one on when getting up to go to the toilet. This is not particularly inconvenient but I refuse to do it as the psychological effect of me doing silly things to avoid social disapproval is not something I'm prepared to accept. Mandates are now growing stricter in many places, mandating wearing masks outside, i.e. permanent masking. In the U.K. we are also not allowed to sit on benches or speak to people outside.

On top of this, many people re-use masks, shove them in their pockets etc, which is improper use and can lead to increased risk of infection. We know that re-usable cloth masks are a worse risk than disposable surgical masks, and we know that people are not trained in them, so it is logical to speculate the negative effects of cloth mask usage would be exacerbated amongst the general public who have not been properly trained to use masks unlike the HCWs in the cloth masks study.

What about the other studies in my post?

 

[DeepBreath87]

Tanzania isn't testing and Belarus is in civil unrest, how the fuck do you think they're 'handling it'. Countries with (semi-)authoritarian regimes always handle shit great.

Open up your cities, not ours. Best of luck to you.


You're really not getting his point? Do you want to be protected a bit or do you not want to be protected at all; is what he's saying.

His point is lost in how stupid the metaphor is. We don’t know how protective a mask is. It might be more like going to fight his bear wearing knee pads rather than armor. You take this all on faith. It’s like a religion to you now.

 

[Vow of Silence]

Did you just seriously compared the mask for covid with mask for vaping?

Oh dear...

On second though....Im on neogaf talking covid with gamers...not harvard medical student or teacher so this kind of discussion is to be expected

Carry on

I don't understand your objection. Please explain.

 

[DeepBreath87]

I don't understand your objection. Please explain.

He doesn’t have one. A minute ago he was talking about fighting a bear.

 

[Joe T.]

Tanzania isn't testing and Belarus is in civil unrest, how the fuck do you think they're 'handling it'. Countries with (semi-)authoritarian regimes always handle shit great.

Open up your cities, not ours. Best of luck to you.

What are you scared of? You could always self-isolate while you watch everyone else go about their lives. The virus exists with or without the tests, I hope you understand that.

Not sure why that question struck a nerve.

 

[Airbus Jr]

He doesn’t have one. A minute ago he was talking about fighting a bear.

It was a merely simple comparison

Op says wearing mask is useless for protection against airborne disease

So he rather choose to wear no protection at all

I really hope you can understand that simple analogy

 

[Vow of Silence]

Im reading your post history and it appear youre a Trump fan

Whats up with you guys and the anti mask campaign? Its becoming a very obvious pattern here

I encountered one of hardcore Trump fans on facebook once

He said to me that wearing mask is a sign of lack of faith to god and doubting gods protection

I met another one there but with different reason

He said to me that mask are used to control population and fearmongering
( i still dont understand his reasoning)

Is that what you guys believe ? Just asking here

I agree, masks have become a sign of political allegiance - I said this in my long evidenced post that inspired your bear fist fight response. Broadly I would say right wing/libertarian people who don't like state mandates don't like mask mandates, and left wing/statist people who have no problem with state mandates approve of mask mandates. I would also say those who trust authority like mask mandates more than those who distrust authority.

If we remove the political allegiance and try to look at the evidence for masks that I have presented, what can we then say? I think the overwhelming conclusion is that the evidence for masks as a genuine preventative measure is extremely weak, certainly not strong enough to mandate them as part of healthcare policy. Nobody has yet commented that it was put to the WHO by a BBC journalist to confirm sources saying the advice on masks changed due to political pressure that they did not deny. This is a huge admission that masks are a political tool over being a healthcare tool.



Looking at the evidence I believe people fall into these groups:

1. Pro-mask people who will believe in the efficacy of masks no matter what because they don't like the political views of people who don't believe in them.
2. Pro-mask people who don't believe in the efficacy of masks but follow mandates because it's not that inconvenient to them and actually less of an inconvenience than siding with their political enemies. And they might work, a bit, so why not.
3. Anti-mask people who will disbelieve in the efficacy of masks no matter what because they don't like the political views of people who believe in them.
4. Anti-mask people for whom the truth about the efficacy of masks is more important to them than political allegiance of people who believe or disbelieve in their efficacy.

I voluntarily wore a mask at the start of the pandemic when going to the shops because I thought anything was better than nothing. When the advice came out that they weren't effective (from authorities such as Fauci etc) I disbelieved them because I don't trust authority. However, after reviewing the evidence I came to the conclusion that it was true that masks were not effective, and may actually be harmful (I suffer from reduced lung function due to pneumonia years ago), I stopped wearing them. After this, masks were suddenly mandated everywhere, which clearly made no sense to me as you can imagine.

Having gone through the above process, I would say I'm probably 4, although I do have an inherent distrust of authority and generally verify things for myself as much as possible rather than blindly accepting what I'm told.

Given your responses, I would probably put you as a 1. Is that fair do you think?

 

[DeepBreath87]

It was a mere comparison

Op says wearing mask is useless for protection against airborne disease

So he rather opted wear no protection at all

It was a stupid comparison. You have no way of comparing wear a mask to anything because we can’t quantify their effectiveness in any meaningful way. You just take it on faith. It might as well be a yarmulke for you.

Like I said. For all you know, a cloth mask might be more like bringing knee pads and a pillow to fight your bear.

 

[notseqi]

What are you scared of? You could always self-isolate while you watch everyone else go about their lives. The virus exists with or without the tests, I hope you understand that.

Not sure why that question struck a nerve.

Where do you get the idea that everything you say is the absolute knock-out argument that makes me shake down to my boots and cry myself to sleep? Is that supposed to make you feel like you made a valid point?
'Scared of', 'Struck a nerve', for fucks sake.

You decide for yourself what you want to do, but you take your spare time to proselytize others about what the majority is doing or thinking with apparently crackpot talking points and posting 'data' and 'facts' that say exactly what you want them to say, leaving out important information. I wouldn't give a shit about it but you have been dishonest about your facts, that is potentially harmful to others. I don't give a shit about arguing for numbers, I am interested in not getting it or should I not be affected not spreading it. Your arguments are discompassionate to say the least and it's not all about death either, reduced lung functionality or loss of intelligence have been reported, by reputable sources.

Let me know how well your internet stance carries over to life outside the home, are you wearing a mask, where are you wearing a mask, where are you not wearing a mask?

 

[notseqi]

edit: i a post

 

[Airbus Jr]

I agree, masks have become a sign of political allegiance - I said this in my long evidenced post that inspired your bear fist fight response. Broadly I would say right wing/libertarian people who don't like state mandates don't like mask mandates, and left wing/statist people who have no problem with state mandates approve of mask mandates. I would also say those who trust authority like mask mandates more than those who distrust authority.

If we remove the political allegiance and try to look at the evidence for masks that I have presented, what can we then say? I think the overwhelming conclusion is that the evidence for masks as a genuine preventative measure is extremely weak, certainly not strong enough to mandate them as part of healthcare policy. Nobody has yet commented that it was put to the WHO by a BBC journalist to confirm sources saying the advice on masks changed due to political pressure that they did not deny. This is a huge admission that masks are a political tool over being a healthcare tool.



Looking at the evidence I believe people fall into these groups:

1. Pro-mask people who will believe in the efficacy of masks no matter what because they don't like the political views of people who don't believe in them.
2. Pro-mask people who don't believe in the efficacy of masks but follow mandates because it's not that inconvenient to them and actually less of an inconvenience than siding with their political enemies. And they might work, a bit, so why not.
3. Anti-mask people who will disbelieve in the efficacy of masks no matter what because they don't like the political views of people who believe in them.
4. Anti-mask people for whom the truth about the efficacy of masks is more important to them than political allegiance of people who believe or disbelieve in their efficacy.

I voluntarily wore a mask at the start of the pandemic when going to the shops because I thought anything was better than nothing. When the advice came out that they weren't effective (from authorities such as Fauci etc) I disbelieved them because I don't trust authority. However, after reviewing the evidence I came to the conclusion that it was true that masks were not effective, and may actually be harmful (I suffer from reduced lung function due to pneumonia years ago), I stopped wearing them. After this, masks were suddenly mandated everywhere, which clearly made no sense to me as you can imagine.

Having gone through the above process, I would say I'm probably 4, although I do have an inherent distrust of authority and generally verify things for myself as much as possible rather than blindly accepting what I'm told.

Given your responses, I would probably put you as a 1. Is that fair do you think?

So whats your solution to this may i ask?

Dont wear mask and roam the street like nothing happened?

Is that the message youre trying to say?

Like this person trying to do right here

 

[INC]

So there's a new south African variant, thats apparently 'possibly' immune to the vaccine

 

[Vow of Silence]

So whats your solution to this may i ask

Dont wear mask and roam the street like nothing happened

Is that the message youre to say

Like this person trying to do here

Remove mask mandates and explain the evidence is weak as I have presented. Say there was a policy of using social disapproval to enforce them but this has backfired and led to social division, and apologise for that. End mask shaming, saying it is damaging and not backed by the evidence.

People who want to wear masks will wear them, people who don’t won’t.

Not sure why you posted the empty hospital article, that is a separate subject.

 

[DeepBreath87]

So whats your solution to this may i ask?

Dont wear mask and roam the street like nothing happened?

Is that the message youre trying to say?

Like this person trying to do here

You have this weird habit of trying to project the views of other people onto the person you’re actually talking to. It’s not clever.

And whenever you get stuck, you use the laughing reaction like a giggling simpleton.