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[Bernd Lauert]

Don't say bullshit please. They downplay the ps5 hardware specs every single time they can. Leadbetter continue to spread disinformation around the variable frequency even lately. Just John Linneman praise it when he can.

The frequency is variable, the PS5 just didn't have to use the variability of the GPU yet because all these cross-gen games don't hit the CPU at all. The CPU chills at 1800 MHZ or something so the GPU can always push the full 10.28 TF.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Don't say bullshit please. They downplay the ps5 hardware specs every single time they can. Leadbetter continue to spread disinformation around the variable frequency even lately. Just John Linneman praise it when he can.

It's at the point where I can't even tell if this kind of 'tism is satire or not

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

I almost want NXGamer 's Hitman 3 analysis to basically just confirm everything DF said was right just so I can see what the next call from the Spin Playbook is.

I agree that they are either biased or just plain incompetent

 

[thelastword]

I just posted a comparison of fortnite, not by DF so you won’t think it’s biased but you can find it. Series X runs it better if you want to know

Reminds me of the neutral poster like yourself saying he tested Destiny 2 on both consoles and Series X was ahead of PS5 by 20+ FPS, he said it looked sharper on Series X too.

It's a best 2 out of 3, and some people don't like Xbox winning the crown. I don't remember seeing any PS fans complain PS4 was beating Xbox 1080p vs 900p. Now Xbox wins resolution most of the time. Suddenly resolution doesn't matter anymore. It seemed to only matter from 2013 to 2017. Once One X came out, 4k res didn't seem to matter anymore.

Game 1: 360 beat PS3

Game 2: PS4 beat Xbox One

Game 3 Series X beat PS5

Series X is not beating PS5, unless you want to discount every face off before this one. When even in this one PS5 plays the game much better.

Are people really trying to use this game as a trend? Dirt, COD, Valhalla must have hit you guys really hard.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

Series X is not beating PS5, unless you want to discount every face off before this one. When even in this one PS5 plays the game much better.

Can you clarify this? Are we still talking about the one area of framerate dips in one level?

 

[Neo_game]

What does that have to do with the S not impeding optimization on the X? Both of you moved right past my actual point.


Also, devs are not lazy and yeah it's probably challenging developing for 6 consoles/ 3 generations from home with new dev tools. 1080/60 is far from pathetic for $299, and the Series S isn't even my cup of tea.
To your credit, of course these consoles consoles can be pushed this further. The 5 sec frame drop in one area would likely be an easier patch than 30% more native pixel density, but we all know in a few months time this game could be 4k/across the board.

I saw a video where 1650super is outperforming SS easily. at 1080P. In fact in interior it is doing 80+fps. That is entry level card released some years ago. Even if you compare with Pro and the X of last gen the upgrade is underwhelming. I do not think devs put much effort in these new consoles.

 

[longdi]

Reminds me of the neutral poster like yourself saying he tested Destiny 2 on both consoles and Series X was ahead of PS5 by 20+ FPS, he said it looked sharper on Series X too.

Series X is not beating PS5, unless you want to discount every face off before this one. When even in this one PS5 plays the game much better.

Are people really trying to use this game as a trend? Dirt, COD, Valhalla must have hit you guys really hard.

I see a trend since Nov last year to now.
SX was struggling, struggling to keep up, closing the gaps, tying and now with H3, claims a decisive lead.
At least a lead within my expectations for SX. Good job Beard Guy and Gooseman.

 

[thelastword]

I almost want NXGamer 's Hitman 3 analysis to basically just confirm everything DF said was right just so I can see what the next call from the Spin Playbook is.

No, you should want NX to get all details right, without leaving anything out.

Where are the calls to the developer to give PS5 owners a 4k mode. Surely there is lots of headroom on PS5 as it normally does better resolution vs Xbox at better framerates. Perhaps someone should contact IO. In some cases like COD, better effects and RT too.

Can you clarify this? Are we still talking about the one area of framerate dips in one level?

This was the sample DF used and there was evident slowdown on Xbox and no slow down on PS5. You can't be thinking that no other part of the game slows down on Xbox. This is a clear indicator that high alpha and lots of draw calls and pulling distant details, slows Xbox down. This is not the first game either.

Also cue, better textures and effects in the PS5 version of the game as detailed by King Thrash, using DF's own video. Halos/ghosting in motion not visible on PS5 but seen on Series X. Looking at the game, PS5 seems to be using higher volumetric effects. And of course a trend I see with DF, they often mistake resolution differences as higher settings for effects. It's something they did quite often with Xbonex vs Pro comparisons and they are doing it here. There is no higher shadow quality on Series X, it's only the telltale resolution differences showing less sharpness across details as you scale down in rez. The quality of shadows are the same. Obviously at 4k, in a comparison, everything will look slightly crisper.

 

[wipeout364]

This video proves what everybody was thinking; that Digital Foundry is being propped up by Russia and Putin who are trying create a civil war on Neogaf.

 

[assurdum]

The frequency is variable, the PS5 just didn't have to use the variability of the GPU yet because all these cross-gen games don't hit the CPU at all. The CPU chills at 1800 MHZ or something so the GPU can always push the full 10.28 TF.

Stop it please. You don't have a clue of what are talking about. Or you are completely ignorant about the argument or you blatantly lie for console war reason. Variable frequency it's all about supply overheating not CPU/GPU usage.

 

[assurdum]

It's at the point where I can't even tell if this kind of 'tism is satire or not

Where are at the point I can't even tell if some of you are just naive or simply doesn't care to listen any other reason which goes against their personal take.

 

[Legenscary]

Reminds me of the neutral poster like yourself saying he tested Destiny 2 on both consoles and Series X was ahead of PS5 by 20+ FPS, he said it looked sharper on Series X too.

Series X is not beating PS5, unless you want to discount every face off before this one. When even in this one PS5 plays the game much better.

Are people really trying to use this game as a trend? Dirt, COD, Valhalla must have hit you guys really hard.

You're really having trouble swallowing this pill aren't you?

 

[assurdum]

I see a trend since Nov last year to now.
SX was struggling, struggling to keep up, closing the gaps, tying and now with H3, claims a decisive lead.
At least a lead within my expectations for SX. Good job Beard Guy and Gooseman.

Only God knows of what trend you and others like you talking about. I guess until the next wave of multiplat this craziness will never stop.

 

[RoboFu]

Now that this thread is just about played out....,

it’s time for a ps5 patch that brings up the game and shadow resolution plus a rock solid 60 FPS. mwahahaha!!

 

[Bogroll]

And I assume, you also believe that DF has no bias.?

One clearly shows their bias, obsfucating detail, having select eagle eyed syndrome. Nxgamer on the other hand brings the eye for detail in every single face off. He has never tried to hide effects or advantages of PS or Xbox over the other. In his analysis, there is always something that he observed or demonstrates through visual cues that was not seen or highlighted elsewhere.

That is not bias, that is showing the entire picture. I imagine many here would prefer if he had selective eagled eye amnesia. Had it not been for Nx, we would have never known what really happened in Far cry 4 on both platforms. Even this gen, we would have never seen the wide disparity he showed in Dirt, shown the better RT in COD or the better Rayshafts in AC Valhalla on PS5. This is a man consistently showing the real differences and not skipping any detail.

He never showed better Rayshafts in AC Valhalla he talked about it but didn't give a example and I pulled him up for it and he admitted that he didn't have time to do it. But funny he has time to find other details.

Having said that I don't mind at all him having a bias and I like is stuff. Its just the playing to the audience that needs to be cut out.

 

[PrimeX]

Yeah but... What about Stadia?

 

[evanft]

Why is this thread 31 pages?

 

[Soulblighter31]

IO Interactive actually provided them with the exact console settings, so its not the usual guess work involved here

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Stop it please. You don't have a clue of what are talking about. Or you are completely ignorant about the argument or you blatantly lie for console war reason. Variable frequency it's all about supply overheating not CPU/GPU usage.

No need to get triggered, it's just simple physics. If both the CPU and GPU were at max frequency, the console would probably overheat. That's why they built in a variable frequency.

 

[Doczu]

Those seconds add up :O

That's what i told my wife yesterday, but she ain't no Sony fan to be happy with small things

 

[phil_t98]

Reminds me of the neutral poster like yourself saying he tested Destiny 2 on both consoles and Series X was ahead of PS5 by 20+ FPS, he said it looked sharper on Series X too.

Series X is not beating PS5, unless you want to discount every face off before this one. When even in this one PS5 plays the game much better.

Are people really trying to use this game as a trend? Dirt, COD, Valhalla must have hit you guys really hard.

I said that game? Why get so salty?

also if your talking neutrality you can see me massively praise Spider-Man around here as it was my fave PS4 game.

like I always say about you that you never once praise where Xbox does something good because your so biased

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

Dude you are totally biased. You can see it in all your exclusives videos. However I don't think your comparison videos are misleading or non factual but it's super easy to tell you like ps way more than Xbox.

Why is it people like you and Concern like to throw out accusations of bias against NXGamer yet when asked for any sort of proof I imagine this is the reaction.

Followed by..

I have always seen his results factually explained and laid out no matter which way they go.

So I dont think its fair to throw accusations with no proof to back it up. If you have something lets see it, I won't hold my breath for anything of substance back from you, as you lot are all hot air.

 

[Kagey K]

I bought Hitman 2 and Hitman 3 tonight, just to promote this kind of development. (Already owned Hitman 1)

Use the consoles for their strength and forget what you have to do to make them “even”.

I spent more time today downloading and moving old files to make room for this bad boy.

 

[Knitted Knight]

I agree that they are either biased or just plain incompetent. Honestly it might just be the later. Seriously if they guys knew so much about game engines and making games, why aren’t they doing it? Nxgamer obviously has a real job on top of the great knowledge base to make videos.

I think you've answered yourself your own questions.

 

[SatansReverence]

Why is it people like you and Concern like to throw out accusations of bias against NXGamer yet when asked for any sort of proof I imagine this is the reaction.

Shilly McShillington lost any shred of credibility with this hilarious list

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/nx-g...technology-of-2020-the-end-of-an-era.1584234/

Should rename it 'My favourite overlords games with a couple random ones thrown in to not seem like a pathetic fanboy' list

It's absolutely hilarious that Digital foundry went from the best source of platform comparisons to 100% paid by microsoft shills because of hitman 3.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

Shilly McShillington lost any shred of credibility with this hilarious list

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/nx-g...technology-of-2020-the-end-of-an-era.1584234/

Should rename it 'My favourite overlords games with a couple random ones thrown in to not seem like a pathetic fanboy' list

It's absolutely hilarious that Digital foundry went from the best source of platform comparisons to 100% paid by microsoft shills because of hitman 3.

So your evidence is this list...


7. Teardown (1:05)
6. DOOM Eternal (3:58)
5. Ghost of Tsushima (5:40)
4. Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 (8:48)
3. Demon's Souls (10:54)
2. Spider-Man: Miles Morales (14:11)
1. The Last of Us: Part 2 (16:44)

Its undeniable that lots of the best looking games have been Sony games, there will always be an element of what impressed you the most per person.

Please post a biased analysis comparison not a list of best graphics tech for people to enjoy.

Also the winner the last us us is an unbelievably impressive game, especially considering its running in a ps4. Its pretty obvious they are one of the best studios around and the game is stunning in animation and graphics, but each to their own.

 

[SatansReverence]

Shilling nonsense

A sony shill shilling for another sony shill.

 

[The Hamburglar]

I bought Hitman 2 and Hitman 3 tonight, just to promote this kind of development. (Already owned Hitman 1)

Use the consoles for their strength and forget what you have to do to make them “even”.

I spent more time today downloading and moving old files to make room for this bad boy.

On what platform? Hitman 1 and 2 have been free multiple times 2 is currently free on some platforms

 

[Knitted Knight]

No matter how hard they try, they're not gonna run out NXGamer from here. No matter how hard they try to stitch the label that applies to their beloved DF it will not make it stick. The audience doesn't depend on them, or their opinions.

Looking forward to the real face-off. When KingThrash can point out simple discrepancies on a quick video... you know what's really cooking.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

A sony shill shilling for another sony shill.

An xbox fanboy xbox fanboying...... blah blah...

Boring.

Hardly an unbiased individual are you

 

[SatansReverence]

An xbox fanboy xbox fanboying...... blah blah...

Not even an xbox fanboy.

Go shed your tears in the spec thread bot.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

Not even an xbox fanboy.

Go shed your tears in the spec thread bot.

Haven't been in there in a while, not much new news.

Bot? Do you wanna post some pictures of a tractor and ill select the squares to show you.....

Anyway, not got time to argue with lunatics.

 

[Md Ray]

No need to get triggered, it's just simple physics. If both the CPU and GPU were at max frequency, the console would probably overheat. That's why they built in a variable frequency.

This is a lie. The frequency of both CPU and GPU do not vary based on the temperature, they vary based on the workload of the GPU/CPU. For e.g. when the CPU isn't performing heavy instructions such as AVX 256 then it will run at max 3.5 GHz and the GPU will run at its max 2230 MHz.

They went with variable frequency to utilize the silicon to its max potential.

 

[Warablo]

So we gonna all of sudden trust NXgamer instead of Digital Foundry. Which has been the standard for years?

 

[cyen]

So we gonna all of sudden trust NXgamer instead of Digital Foundry. Which has been the standard for years?

It's what it fits the agenda, personally, and I have nothing against NXGamer, DF is my preferred source for this analisys.

 

[Md Ray]

So we gonna all of sudden trust NXgamer instead of Digital Foundry. Which has been the standard for years?

What's wrong with NXGamer's analysis?

 

[Skifi28]

An xbox fanboy xbox fanboying......

A sony shill shilling for another sony shill.

So I thought I'd drop by to see what this thread has devolved to.....not disappointed.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

This is a lie. The frequency of both CPU and GPU do not vary based on the temperature, they vary based on the workload of the GPU/CPU. For e.g. when the CPU isn't performing heavy instructions such as AVX 256 then it will run at max 3.5 GHz and the GPU will run at its max 2230 MHz.

They went with variable frequency to utilize the silicon to its max potential.

This makes no sense, what's the point of variable frequency when they could just run both at max forever and call it a day?

 

[Self]

Why is this thread 31 pages?

Because Xbones are feverishly happy that at least one game is performing better on their console, while the other camp is feverishly trying to deny that with absurd and laughable reasons.

Welcome to the internet mate!

 

[Gatox]

30 fucking pages

I would love to see how many of these mentalists have bought the game or even intend to. I would guess at 10%, maximum.

 

[Concern]

Why is it people like you and Concern like to throw out accusations of bias against NXGamer yet when asked for any sort of proof I imagine this is the reaction.

Followed by..

I have always seen his results factually explained and laid out no matter which way they go.

So I dont think its fair to throw accusations with no proof to back it up. If you have something lets see it, I won't hold my breath for anything of substance back from you, as you lot are all hot air.

Its been pointed out numerous times. You guys just choose to ignore shit you don't like. In example like this faceoff, so you shills desperately searched for a fake faceoff video and continously posted it over and over. Even after John said the video was incorrect, some of you chose to ignore that lol.

Nx panders to warriors like you guys, hence why you guys praise him so much. He takes his sweet time doing faceoffs when the xbox is the one performing better. Thats if he even does the faceoff.

But its perfectly fine for you guys to make these retarded conspiracy theories about df in every video...... except when they have Playstation as the better platform. Then its absolutely no questions raised and they are absolutely correct.

Its amazing how badly a stupid faceoff video can hurt some feels on here to the point it ruins some people's enjoyment of their favorite plastic box. But keep fighting the good fight, nx will eventually save the day and teach that evil df a lesson.

 

[aries_71]

If I could build an army with you, my young digital warriors, I would put Alexander the Great to shame...

 

[Md Ray]

This makes no sense, what's the point of variable frequency when they could just run both at max forever and call it a day?

Because the fixed frequency method didn't allow Sony to reach where they wanted to be in terms of frequency, as Cerny mentions "running the GPU at 2 GHz was looking like an unreachable target". With fixed freq. they get variable power, and it's variable power aka "fixed frequency strategy" that was causing them issues. Btw, PS4, PS4 Pro, even Xbox consoles, all use this fixed frequency, variable power method.

With this new method on PS5, they allow "a generous amount of electrical power" (constant power), and then they've increased the frequency of both the GPU and CPU until they reached the max capability of the PS5's cooling solution. In other words, this new strategy allows them to fully tap into the silicon's max clock speed potential (which otherwise wouldn't have been possible with variable power), and we now know that even much bigger RDNA 2 chips (2x the size of PS5) can hit over 2.1+ GHz with ease. Any downclocking that happens is based on the workload performed by the silicon and not due to its temperature. And even that downclocking is minor in a way that it won't impact frame-rate stability. That's the point of variable frequency.

 

[RoadHazard]

When PS5 has an advantage they spend the entire video trying to downplay it and acting confused as to how that's even possible.

When Xbox has an advantage they put it in the video title.

Why are they like this?

 

[Methos#1975]

Reminds me of the neutral poster like yourself saying he tested Destiny 2 on both consoles and Series X was ahead of PS5 by 20+ FPS, he said it looked sharper on Series X too.

Series X is not beating PS5, unless you want to discount every face off before this one. When even in this one PS5 plays the game much better.

Are people really trying to use this game as a trend? Dirt, COD, Valhalla must have hit you guys really hard.

The generation just started, no true next gen third party titles to even compare have been released so far, so there is no trend yet and nothing to really accurately guage either console off of yet. That is the reality here on the ground.

 

[Md Ray]

Its been pointed out numerous times. You guys just choose to ignore shit you don't like. In example like this faceoff, so you shills desperately searched for a fake faceoff video and continously posted it over and over. Even after John said the video was incorrect, some of you chose to ignore that lol.

Nx panders to warriors like you guys, hence why you guys praise him so much. He takes his sweet time doing faceoffs when the xbox is the one performing better. Thats if he even does the faceoff.

But its perfectly fine for you guys to make these retarded conspiracy theories about df in every video...... except when they have Playstation as the better platform. Then its absolutely no questions raised and they are absolutely correct.

Its amazing how badly a stupid faceoff video can hurt some feels on here to the point it ruins some people's enjoyment of their favorite plastic box. But keep fighting the good fight, nx will eventually save the day and teach that evil df a lesson.

Why so bitter towards NXGamer?

 

[Agent_Nobody]

Why is this thread 31 pages?

Xbox won

 

[M1chl]

When PS5 has an advantage they spend the entire video trying to downplay it and acting confused as to how that's even possible.

When Xbox has an advantage they put it in the video title.

Why are they like this?

Because outside of small wins, for this time the difference is pretty major. But still, it's pretty too much imho.

 

[Concern]

Why so bitter towards NXGamer?

I didn't know pointing out something obvious or any form of criticism is considered "bitter" lol.

Unlike you guys I harbor no feelings towards any internet personalities. You guys are the ones banging on your keyboards for 30 pages now.

 

[Elios83]

Because outside of small wins, for this time the difference is pretty major. But still, it's pretty too much imho.

Assassin's Creed Valhalla was a bigger difference than this one and it was both a resolution and performance difference.
Also so far no difference has ever been major. 1800p vs 4k is something so small they you can't even tell on your TV. There is a reason the current trend is to use reconstruction tecniques using even lower resolutions (1440p) as a base.
Major is 1440p30fps with no ray tracing vs 4k60fps with ray tracing. These differences we have seen so far, regardless of the winner, are just bullshit with no factual impact other than being fuel for console wars.

When PS5 has an advantage they spend the entire video trying to downplay it and acting confused as to how that's even possible.

When Xbox has an advantage they put it in the video title.

Why are they like this?

Because most people at DF are long time Xbox or PC fans, especially the author of this particular comparison (Thomas Morgan) and he couldn't wait for the moment when he could announce to the world a XSX victory but he messed up because it made evident the disparity of treatment they try hard to hide generally.