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[ethomaz]

I'm a Linux fanboy, but it's easy to see why Linux has not dominated the desktop PC market. It has little to do with gaming. Even popular distros like Ubuntu have a lot of rough edges. One example is pulseaudio. It constantly crashes and has issues handling multiple input devices correctly for a lot of people. Updates break the OS as often as Windows updates do, but require much more advanced troubleshooting knowledge to fix. Just a couple examples. I use Linux and an Xbox for gaming. Linux is superior for me, but easily not the best choice for average users.

I think Linux is too open and have too many distros.

I believe it should be a better OS with a model like Chrone or Mozzila where you have a centralized product where everybody works to make it better... not small pools of devs working in it own Distro thinking what is better for him is better to everybody that uses the OS.

Maybe a new player... a new centralized opensorce OS with focused goals to the community help to improve.... I should love to see that... even if it takes years to become true.

PS. Linux is fun for a hobby... to learn and make experimentations... if you have time make something work that was suppose to work from start reading forums, making modifications, etc... it is a joy... sad I don't have that time anymore... I have family now and my curiosity of Linux is not that important at all.

 

[johntown]

I have a Windows 10 PC for gaming and run Linux in VM's. Personally, I think this is the best solution but then again I only used security based version of Linux (like Parrot OS) so Linux is not my main platform.

I understand why people who use Linux as their main PC want it and I really understand why they don't want Windows period but it can be talked about forever but won't go anywhere. It has been tried a few times by large companies (Valve) being one. Like others have said the user base just isn't there.

 

[bitbydeath]

This is a very subjective statement. I would argue that Apple knows how to make really good hardware, but they are really bad at software. There are really only a handful of things that I actually like about Mac OS. However, Snow Leopard was the last good version of OS X. It's been downhill since then with every major OS release. I'm running Mojave right now on my office workstation and it gives me way too many problems on a brand new iMac that my company just purchased for me a couple months ago.

Sure, there might be some nice things about Mac OS, such as how easy it is to install most software (simply drag the app to your applications folder or, more recently, install it form the Mac app store). But then there is a huge issue with uninstalling apps. People might say it's as easy as dragging the app to the trash bin and deleting it. But then you have a bunch of leftover files in several different directories that you either have to hunt down manually or use another app to hunt them down for you.

Mac OS also has several issues with multi monitor support. One example: I currently run two monitors on my office workstation. Very often, when I click on an app on my dock on one monitor, the window opens up on the other monitor. Also, if an app has a pop-up dialogue box, it will often show up on the other monitor or underneath another window and I won't notice it, so I think either the whole program is locked up and not responding or I didn't do something right.

And when it comes to cloud services, iCloud is not nearly as sophisticated or seamless as Google's online services or even Microsoft's Office365/OneDrive.

Honestly, all of it is subjective. Even though I'm running into these and many more issues, I'm sure there are people out there who are happy with their experience. Find an OS and platform that works for you and stick with it.

They’re not without there issues but I’d suggest since you’ve been running the same machine since at least Snow Leopard that you format on a fresh build and most if not all of your issues should go away.

I run a fleet of about a dozen or so Windows machines and around 10 times as many Macs, often the software issues come from the small amount of Windows devices. Even Outlook runs better on Mac where on Windows we run into issues adding mailboxes where it complains about removing the primary. One time we had to even remove the whole Windows profile just to get Outlook working again. You never get anything like that on Mac’s.

 

[wit3tyg3r]

since you’ve been running the same machine since at least Snow Leopard

I don't think you read my message properly. I got a brand new iMac 2 months ago with Mojave pre-installed and I have tons of stability and speed issues with it. It often takes me more than 30-40 seconds for it to display the login screen after the display shuts off when I step away.

 

[wit3tyg3r]

Now about the iOS notifications... well I find the Android (most specific Galaxy S) notifications a mess... it is too much with things you don't need, polluting the screen, with way too complex use of them... I just don't like the way Android do notifications I guess... with iOS even having issues it is simples, practical and really helps you... I prefer it.

Fair enough. I've always felt the opposite. I won't deny that Apple has finally been making much needed improvements to iOS notifications, but I still do prefer Android's system. Between grouping notifications and being able to control notification channels and snoozing , I feel in complete control over the notifications in Android.

 

[bitbydeath]

I don't think you read my message properly. I got a brand new iMac 2 months ago with Mojave pre-installed and I have tons of stability and speed issues with it. It often takes me more than 30-40 seconds for it to display the login screen after the display shuts off when I step away.

That’s strange mine is instantaneous. Maybe you need to return it if still in warranty? Or get someone to look at it?

 

[wit3tyg3r]

That’s strange mine is instantaneous. Maybe you need to return it if still in warranty? Or get someone to look at it?

I was having the same issues when I had my older iMac and upgraded to Majave as I did when I bought a new iMac, so I figured it was an OS issue. I'm going to try a complete reformat at some point in the near future when I'm able to and will see if that fixes anything. But it was strange to me that I was having the same sluggishness from a brand new computer as I was with an older one.

There were also at least 2 people in the office who upgraded to El Capitan when that released and it bricked their computers. One of them was a hard brick (it corrupted the UEFI). The other's was luckily recoverable.

It's because of instances like these that I've been less and less happy with Apple's software development. It seems to me like they've been rushing out releases without properly testing them.

Edit: Not denying that Windows has these issues too. The recent issues with a Windows update erasing some people's files was definitely a big issue. I just don't think Apple's software team is significantly better than Microsoft's as some people may believe.

 

[Makariel]

Linux sucks, forever.



I love linux to death but god can it be frustrating.

Regarding mac: as someone who is called on regular basis to fix macs of varying shapes and sizes for various family members*: they suck just as much as windows and linux machines do. They just suck with a nicer finish and higher price tag.

* some of said family members haven't used a windows pc in decades and always tell me how amazing mac is jadda jadda. Then I always wonder: if mac are so amazing and perfect, how come I have so few problems with my windows and linux boxes, while they call me every fortnight because some mac randomly decided to do weird things or kill itself? Ok one of my uncles now finally broke free from the iOS ecosystem.

 

[bitbydeath]

I was having the same issues when I had my older iMac and upgraded to Majave as I did when I bought a new iMac, so I figured it was an OS issue. I'm going to try a complete reformat at some point in the near future when I'm able to and will see if that fixes anything. But it was strange to me that I was having the same sluggishness from a brand new computer as I was with an older one.

There were also at least 2 people in the office who upgraded to El Capitan when that released and it bricked their computers. One of them was a hard brick (it corrupted the UEFI). The other's was luckily recoverable.

It's because of instances like these that I've been less and less happy with Apple's software development. It seems to me like they've been rushing out releases without properly testing them.

Edit: Not denying that Windows has these issues too. The recent issues with a Windows update erasing some people's files was definitely a big issue. I just don't think Apple's software team is significantly better than Microsoft's as some people may believe.

Could it be caused by additional software you install? I remember installing Nortons Anti-Virus on a Windows machine years ago and it dragged it down massively.

 

[Hudo]

This is brutal, but very true. Linux is and always will be a tinkerer's OS. I use Linux every day at work and the Mac is just easier.

My situation as well. Mac is probably the best BSD system out there (Don't hurt me, OpenBSD guys! I respect OpenBSD as well). At work, we're doing our research and development mainly on Ubuntu (which is basically a frozen Debian Sid) systems. But yeah, I basically can't do something productive on those machines without opening the terminal or editing some config file. That's not what I would describe as "easy to use". That being said, from a developers point of view, Linux is actually more comfortable to develop on once it is set up, IMHO. But when you actually want to "ship" something it becomes a pain. There's a reason why many projects basically give you a repo link and a CMakeLists file with some instructions on dependencies. Packaging something that is a non-trivial piece of software is not a nice experience at all. I know there's Docker and similar projects to make that easier for you but when you need to have access to Vulkan, CUDA and other stuff more on the "low-level" side, containers and VMs aren't really a valid option. Dealing with nVidia stuff on Linux is an issue in itself anyway, especially when you've got an Intel CPU with its own graphics unit and you wanna use both, oh boy.

I have recently done some work on a Windows machine and it is nicer to set up and much much nicer to ship/package your stuff on it but I disliked the development experience. It is basically centralised around Visual Studio, there are many third-party development tools that integrate with it etc. It is, like Windows itself, fairly monolithic in its philosophy. Maybe it's just a matter of getting used to it.

I kinda wish that the Plan9 guys had been successful in their endeavour... (ACME > VIM btw. ha!)

 

[Blam]

I was having the same issues when I had my older iMac and upgraded to Majave as I did when I bought a new iMac, so I figured it was an OS issue. I'm going to try a complete reformat at some point in the near future when I'm able to and will see if that fixes anything. But it was strange to me that I was having the same sluggishness from a brand new computer as I was with an older one.

There were also at least 2 people in the office who upgraded to El Capitan when that released and it bricked their computers. One of them was a hard brick (it corrupted the UEFI). The other's was luckily recoverable.

It's because of instances like these that I've been less and less happy with Apple's software development. It seems to me like they've been rushing out releases without properly testing them.

Edit: Not denying that Windows has these issues too. The recent issues with a Windows update erasing some people's files was definitely a big issue. I just don't think Apple's software team is significantly better than Microsoft's as some people may believe.

Their updates are breaking PC's across the board. And corrupting SSD's in some cases. Also always reinstall never upgrade. Apple does not do garbage cleanup and the entire OS will slow down every update. This is the same with Windows but with OSX you'll see it way quicker.

 

[wit3tyg3r]

Could it be caused by additional software you install? I remember installing Nortons Anti-Virus on a Windows machine years ago and it dragged it down massively.

It's quite possible. I haven't had a chance to do enough testing to see if it's specific software causing it.

Their updates are breaking PC's across the board. And corrupting SSD's in some cases. Also always reinstall never upgrade. Apple does not do garbage cleanup and the entire OS will slow down every update. This is the same with Windows but with OSX you'll see it way quicker.

I typically do a fresh install on my personal computers and devices whenever an update is released. Sadly, I don't do that on my office workstation since it would take a lot of time to get everything restored and reinstalled. I should probably do it anyway since it could save headaches in the long run.

 

[Mr Nash]

Hardcore Linux users remind me of obnoxious modern art aficionados. They want people to recognize and embrace what they hold so dear, but the second folks start taking a closer look and ask questions because it's something new that they don't really understand, these guys start shitting on them and scaring them away. It's super self-destructive and dooms their precious OS to never achieving mainstream success.

 

[RedVIper]

I think Linux is too open and have too many distros.

I believe it should be a better OS with a model like Chrone or Mozzila where you have a centralized product where everybody works to make it better... not small pools of devs working in it own Distro thinking what is better for him is better to everybody that uses the OS.

Maybe a new player... a new centralized opensorce OS with focused goals to the community help to improve.... I should love to see that... even if it takes years to become true.

PS. Linux is fun for a hobby... to learn and make experimentations... if you have time make something work that was suppose to work from start reading forums, making modifications, etc... it is a joy... sad I don't have that time anymore... I have family now and my curiosity of Linux is not that important at all.

So you want linux to stop being what it is, you already have the centralized opensource distro of linux, it's called Ubuntu, it's super easy to use and install.

Linux is also already super popular, maybe not for home computers but for work it's used all over. Why some people want to make linux just like everything else kinda boggles me.

 

[Blam]

I typically do a fresh install on my personal computers and devices whenever an update is released. Sadly, I don't do that on my office workstation since it would take a lot of time to get everything restored and reinstalled. I should probably do it anyway since it could save headaches in the long run.

Yeah it sucks that mac os is like this but hey we gotta live with it i guess.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

So you want linux to stop being what it is, you already have the centralized opensource distro of linux, it's called Ubuntu, it's super easy to use and install.

Linux is also already super popular, maybe not for home computers but for work it's used all over. Why some people want to make linux just like everything else kinda boggles me.

Not to mention, there are other Linux OS'es that use Ubuntu as a base and Ubuntu packages like Linux Mint and ElementaryOS.

 

[ethomaz]

So you want linux to stop being what it is, you already have the centralized opensource distro of linux, it's called Ubuntu, it's super easy to use and install.

Linux is also already super popular, maybe not for home computers but for work it's used all over. Why some people want to make linux just like everything else kinda boggles me.

Ubuntu is what I call a bad Linux distro. They aim to make the user experience better than others Linux without actual results.

Linux should be centralized imo... not that messed patchwork.

You don’t need to learn or get used to a Distro to use an OS... it should the opposite... an OS should be always intuitive, user friendly and equal no matter the distro.

It get me crazy how the Linux community accept different distros using different types of packages to install apps... it should be universal to all distros... and you should never mess with make/build.

Everything you do on Linux you take hours the first time.

 

[RedVIper]

Ubuntu is what I call a bad Linux distro. They aim to make the user experience better than others Linux without actual results.

Linux should be centralized imo... not that messed patchwork.

You don’t need to learn or get used to a Distro to use an OS... it should the opposite... an OS should be always intuitive, user friendly and equal no matter the distro.

It get me crazy how the Linux community accept different distros using different types of packages to install apps... it should be universal to all distros... and you should never mess with make/build.

Everything you do on Linux you take hours the first time.

I'm sorry but Ubuntu is way easier to use than other distros, lot's of them don't even have a desktop environment.

Installing Windows will take you longer than it takes you to install Ubuntu, so I'm really not sure where you get "Everything you do on Linux you take hours the first time.", unless you're purposely using a more complicated distro and you don't know what you're doing.

Again why do people want linux to be more like windows/mac os/wtv

 

[ethomaz]

I'm sorry but Ubuntu is way easier to use than other distros, lot's of them don't even have a desktop environment.

Installing Windows will take you longer than it takes you to install Ubuntu, so I'm really not sure where you get "Everything you do on Linux you take hours the first time.", unless you're purposely using a more complicated distro and you don't know what you're doing.

Again why do people want linux to be more like windows/mac os/wtv

The question you should do is not about Windows/Mac/etc but about...

Why people wants Linux to be more like an OS?

Well because the concept and goal of an OS is to be simple, easy to use and productive.

Linux misses all these... of course it can be production if you take your time to make it productive for you when it should be productive from the very start.

That is why I said that a new OS player more centralized and focused could have sucess where Linux failed.

 

[RedVIper]

The question you should do is not about Windows/Mac/etc but about...

Why people wants Linux to be more like an OS?

Well because the concept and goal of an OS is to be simple, easy to use and productive.

Linux misses all these... of course it can be production if you take your time to make it productive for you when it should be productive from the very start.

That is why I said that a new OS player more centralized and focused could have sucess where Linux failed.

More like an OS? I think maybe you just don't what that is.
Just because some people want linux to be more like windows (What's the point just use windows) doesn't mean that's what it should be.
Not all OS need to be simple and easy to use, mac os focuses on a specific market, windows tries to appeal to the lowest common denominator and holds your hand all the way to make sure you can't fuck up, linux has it's own market.

So your argument is because you don't know how to use it, it's therefore bad? Like I said there are distros that come with everything you need to be "productive" from the start and are extremely easy to use, other's are as bare bones as possible to allow you tinker it to your liking it.

Saying linux "failed" it's a gross exaggeration, even microsoft has invested a shit ton in it and they use it themselves.

 

[Makariel]

Why people wants Linux to be more like an OS?

Linux is an OS, I don't understand the question?

Well because the concept and goal of an OS is to be simple, easy to use and productive.

Most linux distros are simple, easy to use and productive. Installing Manjaro, Ubuntu, Mint, etc is faster and easier than installing Windows 10. Plus it already has most things installed that I need (Manjaro comes with Firefox, Steam, office programs etc as standard), while my first hour in Windows 10 is spent trying to get rid of all the bloat that's installed along these days. I really need to re-install Win10 on my secondary SSD for the steam games that don't run well with linux and I'm constantly postponing it because I loathe just the thought of it.

Linux misses all these... of course it can be production if you take your time to make it productive for you when it should be productive from the very start.

You sound like someone who hasn't used linux in a decade. Fun fact: my parents are a few years into their retirement and aren't exactly tech savvy. They use linux, no problems. When they got their new computer with Windows 10 installed last year they hated it (admittedly, Microsoft managed to ruin Solitaire, these monsters!) and wanted to put Linux back on ASAP. If my parents can figure that out and it takes you "hours" for everything you try to do with linux I'm a bit confused...

 

[synchronicity]

Once you go Mac you won’t go back.

Ha. Well I've used Mac (extensively in the past), Windows (of course) and Linux, and personally I far prefer the Linux experience. I use Linux for work, I game on Linux (as well as Windows, admittedly), really everything on Linux. I guess about half my Steam library is Linux compatible which really isn't too bad imo. I'd love for everything to be native to Linux, but that's obviously not the way things are.

In fairness, I will readily acknowledge that MacOS is far more user friendly, no doubt about that. There's certainly a reason why Linux is niche, and that probably won't change. But for the Linux devotee, it's great the way it is. I don't mind being a minuscule minority.

 

[dopey]

That's bullfuck and you know it. There is no possible way an additional layer is going to result in the game running better. In fact, we have confirmation that games with WINE have more latency compared to running in a native Windows environment.

Actually I'd say it is possible, wine is an acronym for 'wine is not an emulator'. What it means is that it maps functionality from Windows to Linux functionality, there is of course some overhead in mapping a Windows call to a equivalent wine Linux call, but that is quite neglible, and if Linux performs the actual functionality faster than Windows does, it will be faster (assuming the win is larger than the call mapping overhead).

Linux is faster than Windows in most benchmarks I've seen, so again I see it as entirely plausible.

 

[Castef]

For gamers, there has always been a vicious cycle on PC in terms of OS. They want the freedom that Linux brings to the table but they are not willing to switch to Linux because there aren't enough games available.

Let me fix this:
"A very, very, very small amount of them want the freedom that Linux brings to the table".

 

[dopey]

I think Linux is too open and have too many distros.

Well, being open is pretty much a core pillar of Linux, and a reason it's used across all tech domains and dominating in many. I agree that in a perfect world, a distro which everyone deemed 'the best' would have emerged, and we would all use it and everybody would be happy and satisfied.

The reality is that people like different things, which is why when people can actually choose or even make their own 'perfect' operating system, you get fragmentation. The Linux ecosystem is like this open marketplace where everyone can bring their component, and then 'customers' can pick and choose between all those components on display and build their own system (distro).

Now the only way a ecosystem like this can avoid massive fragmentation is if certain components become 'de facto' standard, as in everybody decide to use them. Sadly outside of core tools, X, and I suppose recently systemd, this is not really the case. So it's a 'double-edged' sword, with an open 'market' like this, there are no limitations to creating something that works 'your way' (hence the huge number of distros), and ideas can easily be presented and see adoption, meanwhile in the resulting sea of options you have wide fragmentation, resulting in situations like not having decided upon a standard GUI toolkit after 20 years.

I personally would not want to sacrifice Linux 'openness' as it is one of the most attractive parts of the ecosystem for me, that said I really would like to see more components emerge which are so much better than similar options that they become standards around which the Linux ecosystem can converge.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Well, being open is pretty much a core pillar of Linux, and a reason it's used across all tech domains and dominating in many. I agree that in a perfect world, a distro which everyone deemed 'the best' would have emerged, and we would all use it and everybody would be happy and satisfied.

The reality is that people like different things, which is why when people can actually choose or even make their own 'perfect' operating system, you get fragmentation. The Linux ecosystem is like this open marketplace where everyone can bring their component, and then 'customers' can pick and choose between all those components on display and build their own system (distro).

Now the only way a ecosystem like this can avoid massive fragmentation is if certain components become 'de facto' standard, as in everybody decide to use them. Sadly outside of core tools, X, and I suppose recently systemd, this is not really the case. So it's a 'double-edged' sword, with an open 'market' like this, there are no limitations to creating something that works 'your way' (hence the huge number of distros), and ideas can easily be presented and see adoption, meanwhile in the resulting sea of options you have wide fragmentation, resulting in situations like not having decided upon a standard GUI toolkit after 20 years.

I personally would not want to sacrifice Linux 'openness' as it is one of the most attractive parts of the ecosystem for me, that said I really would like to see more components emerge which are so much better than similar options that they become standards around which the Linux ecosystem can converge.

And frankly, this is why I like Linux even though it's far from perfect. If you want something stable and easy to use, go with the Ubuntu-based OS'es. You want something more on the cutting edge? There's Majaro. You want to be very hands on with your OS? There's Arch and Gentoo.

And let's say you want to put in the newer, cutting edge stuff in Ubuntu. You can add respositories that will allow you to install the latest or beta versions of whatever software you want.

 

[RoadHazard]

Not really, but I'm sure there are enough people interested in discussion Linux gaming, so go for it!

Once you go Mac you won’t go back.

...to playing games. It's just awful. Half of my Mac-compatible Steam library doesn't even work anymore, because Apple decided to break all 32-bit applications. What a mess.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Not really, but I'm sure there are enough people interested in discussion Linux gaming, so go for it!



...to playing games. It's just awful. Half of my Mac-compatible Steam library doesn't even work anymore, because Apple decided to break all 32-bit applications. What a mess.

Exactly. I can understand people who choose to get fucked by Windows because of the software available for it, but choosing macOS for gaming? I don't even know what to say
Anyways, the only way to get more games ported to Linux is by buying and playing (!) them, thanks to the omnipresent surveillance and tracking implemented in practically anything that makes money (Steam).

 

[SpongebobSquaredance]

Mac for everyday use, Windows for gaming, Linux for coding.

 

[Makariel]

Linux for everyday use, Windows for work and games that don't work on Linux.

 

[UnNamed]

Windows for everything, Linux is useless, Mac is a very expensive Linux frontend.

 

[Drew1440]

I was using Ubuntu for 9 years and the last few years it became a good gaming alternative. Unfortunately even in Ubuntu you need to have advanced user skills, even with internet help. Over the years I reinstalled and reset Ubuntu many times but it was due to my own fault. Few months ago after a normal update routine, update process broke. After reboot , OS would crash. Not even command line recovery mode would work. Posted for help in the Ubuntu forums, pasted the crash logs but users asked to type specific commands and examine specific logs that were thousands of lines long. Had no clue what was going on.

While I can solve most Win related issues myself, my Ubuntu skills are elementary. A user said update broke the system and I had to reinstall it. Even when trying to reinstall from CD to save at least user settings and installed programms, CD installer required to erase everything. Upgrading a crashing OS was not recommended either, though even that was not possible.

This was the breaking point for me. Spent dozens of hours installing and tweaking programmscand games. Was not in the mood to repeat it.Erased the Linux partition and spent even more time restoring Win boot sector. 9 years were enough. This OS is not intended as primary with that kind of support

This is one of my main issues with many Linux distros where they are easy to use but not easy to fix. And believe me I've tried with both Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Linux mint where after an update at least some program or driver is broken and I have to boot into recovery mode to get it to work.
Even on my current pc Ive got an issue where the sound stutters every minute in ubuntu, and after trying various pulse audio terminal commands to fix it I ended up loosing sound altogether.
Moved onto Linux mint which worked well until I inserted an sd card, now the OS takes 10 minutes to boot up since it tries to mount it. Again looking online tells me that it's a common issue with mint and USB memory card reads and that I should mount the card in the media directory instead, except now the card is write protected due to a permission issue and I have to run the file explorer as root in order to copy files over.

Copy and pasting terminal commands don't help either, since many tutorials don't explain what the commands do.

Installing programs is also a royal pain since many require you to compile them before you can install them, so you run the make files which tells you to install various libraries before it will even start compiling, some of which are from 2005 and no longer work on 32 bit distros.

I do want Linux to thrive but there's a lot of work that needs to be done. The community attitude is also rather poor with a lot of criticism being made if you use Ubuntu or its derivatives, with arch Linux being the preferred distro.

 

[RoboFu]

This is brutal, but very true. Linux is and always will be a tinkerer's OS. I use Linux every day at work and the Mac is just easier.

ehh no. Linux runs most the internet today. its good for workloads, security, and stability. its just doesnt have the foundation for gaming but its nowhere near just a " tinker's OS"

Windows for everything, Linux is useless, Mac is a very expensive Linux frontend.

OSX has nothing to do with Linux.

 

[SpongebobSquaredance]

OSX has nothing to do with Linux.

Isn't it based on Linux? That's what I've heard at least. I prefer OSX for most things though.

 

[McHuj]

2 year bump!

guess what? Linux still fucking sucks.

 

[RoboFu]

Isn't it based on Linux? That's what I've heard at least. I prefer OSX for most things though.

nope BSD which is closer to UNIX .. Linux and BSD can be seen as offshoots of unix but they both are pretty much their own things. OSX has grown to its own thing now as well.

 

[GrayFoxPL]

i would stay away from linux because the users at least. the ones on the web. are the scumbaggiest people on the internet

 

[ethomaz]

No lies detected.

 

[ethomaz]

Isn't it based on Linux? That's what I've heard at least. I prefer OSX for most things though.

It is BSD based... well Linux and BSD are both build from Unix so they have some similarities.

 

[ethomaz]

ehh no. Linux runs most the internet today. its good for workloads, security, and stability. its just doesnt have the foundation for gaming but its nowhere near just a " tinker's OS"

I agree.

Linux are great for servers... Windows have a really hard time to reach the stability and performance Linux for server applications.

But it is a non-go for general consumers and that include gamers.
It is really a nice thing to try in dual boot if you have curiosity but for everything else consumer friendly Windows is your best buddy.

Windows for everything, Linux is useless, Mac is a very expensive Linux frontend.

lol
Mac OSX has nothing to do with Linux.
It is a BSD based OS.

BSD is at least 10 years older than Linux kernel.

 

[Business]

It's a bit of a crazy take but I hope things will end up with Microsoft releasing a Linux distro with a compatibility layer for legacy Windows software, and they call it a day.

 

[RoboFu]

It's a bit of a crazy take but I hope things will end up with Microsoft releasing a Linux distro with a compatibility layer for legacy Windows software, and they call it a day.

I know it’s weird but MS has really elevated Linux the last few years with things like .net core and sql server support.

 

[Later Alligator]

I know it’s weird but MS has really elevated Linux the last few years with things like .net core and sql server support.

and WSL, their purchase of github, etc... WSL is surprisingly awesome

they contribute a lot of code to the linux kernel and open source projects in general. likely due to their massive investment in Azure

 

[ResilientBanana]

Once you go Mac you won’t go back.

Unless you want a breadth of games and software.

 

[01011001]

Linux is a terrible os no matter which variant.
a good OS needs to be easy to use, and it will never get there without a mindshift

 

[RoboFu]

Unless you want a breadth of games and software.

That’s why they make consoles.

what software do you think osx doesn’t have that’s needed ?

 

[ColdAfternoon]

On one thread you're not a real man if you want lower difficulty in dark souls, but here linux is terrible because its too difficult for normies.

 

[ReBurn]

nope BSD which is closer to UNIX .. Linux and BSD can be seen as offshoots of unix but they both are pretty much their own things. OSX has grown to its own thing now as well.

All versions of MacOS from Leopard onward are Unix 03 certified. It's effectively Unix just like AIX or HP-UX are Unix. It's not completely it's own thing any more. They've moved back to the mainstream.

 

[PhaseJump]

Linux distros run on almost everything, can be tailored to be simple or complicated for the end user, and for gaming it has Proton doing a lot of the heavy lifting to grow the available library. More than ten thousand games are running on Linux now. It's a double edged sword for the community, since there is less pressure and demand for native ports.

MacOS being repeatedly mentioned in a concern thread about Linux on a gaming forum is kind of hilarious. They lock down performance upgrades in their hardware, and they depreciated Opengl. I can understand the M1 lineup resetting things for them, requiring the memory to be baked into the apu now, but up until now it's been limiting for no good reason.

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

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