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LiquidRex
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Whos' now anticipating Ragnarok delay announcement.
3liteDragon
Member
I still think we’ll get Ragnarök this year, we’ll see.Whos' now anticipating Ragnarok delay announcement.
Interfectum
Member
Nah, it's not coming this year.
3liteDragon
Member
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
they havent even show a single screenshot of gow. its either cross gen or a 2022 title.Whos' now anticipating Ragnarok delay announcement.
mitchman
Gold Member
So you claim that every PS game will come to PC, is that so? And Hulst is a liar because he said that's not necessarily the case?
saintjules
Member
Beaten lol
But yeah, I wouldn't exactly blow my load either if HZD is coming out this year. I'm definitely satisfied with HZD, Returnal R&C, Kena and possibly Deathloop for 2021.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol i give up. People will defend anything.
mitchman
Gold Member
I asked 2 simple questions, just wants to clarify what you claim you said and meant. I guess answering questions might be hard for some, are you one of them?
OverHeat
« generous god »
Another random tweet, Days Gone port to PC.
Having a console lose is value days after days. PC Master Race.
Rea
Member
Eh, All the triangles and 8k textures are being rendered real time on PS5 during UE5 demo. Can you explain your statement?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
they were loaded questions. Dont pretend you dont know what you were doing.
You were probably one of those people who gave me a hard time for saying that Horizon coming to PC means more games will follow. Now you are trying to wiggle your way out on a technicality even though Sony literally just said that more games will follow Days Gone.
onesvenus
Member
Hi
BGs
reading this interview with Jim Ryan he says that dev kits haven't even gone out.
What's this "it" you were talking here? I assumed you already had PSVR2 dev kits
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
That's the source geometry/textures, not what is output. Nanite takes massive billion+ poly models that have 8k textures applied to them, then scales them to as close to pixel-sized tri's as possible (which naturally scales the textures.)
There's only ~3.7 million pixels @ 1440p (the internal rendering target of the demo).. it would be pointless to have billions of triangles. Nor would it be remotely feasible to render or store.
For the PS5 demo they imported the massive models into UE5; the engine then scaled them to 4k scale (so closer to ~8 million triangles) so that they'd even be feasible to store on the PS5. Then in real time that all gets scaled to the size the model takes up in the 1440p render. So if it's close to the player, more tris, if it's farther from the player, less tris. And the texturing gets scaled along with that.
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Loxus
Member
Interesting tweet, a lot to translate... below an extract from the full tweet translated below.
Infinity Cache is a method that boosts the available efficient bandwidth even further by boosting the available bandwidth at resolutions up to 1440p, and the cache scrubber is a method that minimizes cache misses, so AMD also has Infinity Cache in RDNA2, and Cache Scrubber in RDNA3. I plan to go to the concept.
Mister Conspiracy Theory back at in again.
"so AMD also has Infinity Cache in RDNA2, and Cache Scrubber in RDNA3"
What is this tweet trying to imply when saying also has when talking about Cache Scrubbers?
Are things not what there appear to be on the PS5 die?
Is there a Pro model in the works with Infinity Cache?
Has Mark Cerny came up with a method that boosts the available bandwidth further, similar to Infinity Cache using a different method than AMD?
Am I upset that they announce the next PS VR in a blog post without them showing it? Yes.
Edit:
Wait a minute, these tweets are petty interesting.
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Red_Driver85
What? You mean to tell me as amazing inquiring minds kept looking at it, realized there was more to find out? And its still not clear cut whats happening?
For some ppl, its best to read more and post less. I have no problem putting myself in that category.
Red_Driver85
Member
I think the case is exactly with this old games for PS4. With games developed purely for the PS5, it will be too difficult for mass-market PCs and bad for console sales in the long run. But yes, they are climbing into the territory where Microsoft has been waiting for them for a long time. Sony can still play so much, especially in the first year of launch, while all this mess is going on. Let the PC players see what the games can be like. But if they can't stop in time , they're finished, and the prospect for them may not be so rosy (although there will always be a PC fanatic who will say otherwise). Exclusives are the keys to the Playstation brand, their main trump card. Without them, they will become just another publisher. And they can go fuck themselves with their console business. If they flippantly throw it away after only looking at a small segment of the player's reaction, they will end up driving into dead end.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
None of that makes him a liar though.. read between the lines here and he was pretty close to implying some games WOULD be coming to PC.
BGs
Industry Professional
You assumed wrong. We work actually with PSVR1.Hi
reading this interview with Jim Ryan he says that dev kits haven't even gone out.
What's this "it" you were talking here? I assumed you already had PSVR2 dev kits
Edit.- Before I have not had more time, I will give you a broader answer now. It is my obligation to know the future news of my sector. That does not mean having them. I'll have them when the working prototypes are available to developers. For now I have to settle for seeing live demonstrations (seen or experienced by me) of new technologies or online presentations (or at specialized VR fairs before Covid). Also information of the same type from other co-workers or acquaintances in other companies. On the other hand, many times you work blindly based on supposed final specs that you don't have yet and use approximation hardware to advance work. But for example, Sony is supposed to be working on wireless technology, and today they posted that "you only need one cable" ... so ... wireless? or wired?
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Rea
Member
I just rewatch the video, and yeah, nanite crunches down billions of triangles down to around 20 millions drawn triangles losslessly. 8k textures is use for virtual texturing too. Thx for explaining.
onesvenus
Member
Another interesting thing regarding the Jim Ryan interview is that more PS games will come to PC.
Do we expect that to have some influence on the engine design of first-party games? It would be sad if they compromise on their engines to be able to have their games run on PC
Do we expect that to have some influence on the engine design of first-party games? It would be sad if they compromise on their engines to be able to have their games run on PC
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Yeah that's right, 20 million tris.. it's not 1 pixel per tri, so w/ 4k having ~8.3 million pixels, w/ 2-3 pixels per tri, you get somewhere around 20 million.
And yup,. it's "lossless" in the sense of displayed detail. It's impossible for a 4k monitor to actually display billions of tris.. so you don't actually lose any visible detail by scaling down.
The numbers threw everyone off at first, but if you listen to the details it makes sense.... key word being "source" geometry.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Right. He's being a sneaky politican. Gave himself just enough room while also reassuring Sony fans telling them not to worry.
But my point is that people used that quote back then to tell me that more games WONT come to PC. I remember posting this quote in conjunction with the Phil Spencer quote where he said the same when Gears 4 was first ported to PC back in 2016. He had also tried to reassure xbox fans by saying something similar.
SSfox
Member
Another random tweet, Days Gone port to PC.
WTF Sony is doing Bruh, some people i know that were waiting for PS5 stocks to get one are already telling me they're thinking on building a PC instead.
SONY WTF UR DOIN???????!!!! Stop THE DRUGS or idk!!
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Well those people needed to read between the lines.. I pointed out the same thing back then.
Staying they have no plans for day and date releases.. was all-but confirmation they planned staggered releases.
devilNprada
Member
WTF Sony is doing Bruh, some people i know that were waiting for PS5 stocks to get one are already telling me they're thinking on building a PC instead.
SONY WTF UR DOIN???????!!!! Stop THE DRUGS or idk!!
It's about time.. This is a good thing..
SSfox
Member
No no it's not good thing man, it's bad ugly thing. And if they keep doing this trash move they'll see the results, results that will give me right.
Zheph
Member
Because they can't get one imo
It won't have the massive impact you think it will
It's a good thing from Sony
Setsuna Mudou
Member
fucking scrub this battaglia dude, can't even PCMR right...
120 fps was great in 2008
if you're not running 240 fps locked you're doing it wrong
3liteDragon
Member
For now it just sounds like PS4 titles heading to PC, which I have no problem with. I’ll take issue if they start doing this with native PS5 games too, I don’t wanna see game design from their first-party studios getting influenced by having to develop for multiple different PC configurations. I wanna see exclusives that are specifically designed for that piece of hardware, that’s why you bought the damn console in the first place.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
WTF Sony is doing Bruh, some people i know that were waiting for PS5 stocks to get one are already telling me they're thinking on building a PC instead.
SONY WTF UR DOIN???????!!!! Stop THE DRUGS or idk!!
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Filthy weak ass system peasant, that scrub.fucking scrub this battaglia dude, can't even PCMR right...
120 fps was great in 2008
if you're not running 240 fps locked you're doing it wrong
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I find it hilarious that while Disney, HBO, Netflix, Apple, Amazon and Hulu are bending over backwards signing tv creators for $200 million contracts, paying billions for exclusive rights to LOTR and putting out $300 million movies on streaming platforms to get people to subscribe to their platforms, Sony and MS are literally doing the opposite telling people NOT to subscribe to them and just buy a PC instead. They can finally now claim 100% of the revenue thanks to their digital stores on consoles. No need to pay for shipping, no need to give retailers a 20% cut. No need for packaging. And then they go and give Valve a 30% cut lmao.WTF Sony is doing Bruh, some people i know that were waiting for PS5 stocks to get one are already telling me they're thinking on building a PC instead.
SONY WTF UR DOIN???????!!!! Stop THE DRUGS or idk!!
It's just bad business. It might make them some money in the short run but its damaging to the product. More for Sony since at least MS has their own store on PC and Windows is a Microsoft product, and they dont care if xbox fails. PS is far more integral to Sony and their execs are chasing short term profits over long term viability of their eco system.
Good luck to them.
SSfox
Member
How is it a good thing? if it was Nintendo are already releasing Mario and Zelda on PC, which they won't because they're smarter than the other morons and they see long run unlike MS and recently now Sony following slowly that "let's put all of our games that define our hardwares and brand in PC" retardation strat.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Why do you care?
I imagine what they are thinking is:
- There are way more PC gamers who won't buy a console who might buy their games, than console gamers who will just up and build a PC out of the blue
- Existing PC gamers who do buy Playstations probably are only buying Sony exclusives anyways, and aren't using the PS ecosystem to any large extent, so it's fine to make roughly the same amount of money off them on PC
Also keep in mind Sony owns part of Epic, and Epic is going public soon.. it's quite possible that Sony's investment in Epic might grow, perhaps before the IPO.
Sony might make their games exclusive to EGS, which would certainly help EGS blow up.. Sony gets money from the game purchases, and also gets money from EGS blowing up increasing Epic's value.
Either way.. console gamers by and large aren't suddenly going to convert to PC gamers... and not have access to Sony's games when they are remotely new. Anyone willing to wait years for Playstation games and also ditch their console in general wasn't a big console gamer, or Sony fan, for that matter.
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LiquidRex
Member
Sony says Amazon listings for PC versions of Days Gone, Gran Turismo ‘not accurate’
After Horizon Zero Dawn and Death Stranding, rumors of more PC releases
www.google.com
But Days Gone has ported over to PC... Does that mean Gran Turismo is heading to PC too.
Zheph
Member
You should check the gaming figures in a more global way, time is against consoles
It makes me sad also but Sony is adapting actually
Red_Driver85
Member
In general, I agree with this. I have a PC, but I need an upgrade, and then another upgrade and another. One upgrade is never enough for me. The race for new video cards, processors, etc. Race PC players for PC components as it is. It annoys me personally. Therefore, I still prefer the console, it is more convenient for me and I do not care that PS games are released on the PC. However, I acknowledge and share the fears of Sony fans, which I myself am, that this can lead to bad results. It is always easier to lose a reputation than to raise it, and the loyalty of the players is not endless and people will start assembling PCs instead of buying consoles. What does it mean? That a decent layer of money from multi-platform projects will simply go completely past Sony. Fucking Jim Ryan should be kicked out because this old man can destroy what has been built for so many years.
You do know PS5 games are going to be released on PC too, right?
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Days Gone uses UE4. Decima engine is built on PC. So those were easy ports, also last gen.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
mark my words. In two years, every PS5 game will launch on PC simultaneously.Sony says Amazon listings for PC versions of Days Gone, Gran Turismo ‘not accurate’
After Horizon Zero Dawn and Death Stranding, rumors of more PC releases
But Days Gone has ported over to PC... Does that mean Gran Turismo is heading to PC too.
Thats how long it took for Xbox games to launch on PC after the first game was ported to PC.
3liteDragon
Member
Like what?
icerock
Member
Couldn't agree more, it's pretty obvious since Layden got the boot and there was a change in leadership. The thinking at the top changed. Folks just continued to do mental gymnastics when evidence was starting them in their face. I remember after the Horizon PC news first broke, once folks had their meltdown, Schreier mentioned about more PC ports being in the works. As time went on, these people latched onto Horizon port not selling well on PC... and that Sony were done with them.
Sony obviously don't care, that's why they are porting loads of games. You couldn't make this stuff up. Their exclusives are still generating additional revenue on PC, and I see them porting most of their games over time. It's about maximizing profits, only long-term we'll get to see if it affects their console business (Hint: It won't, most people buy consoles over PC for ease of access). For the hardcore, the question becomes, do you care about their games so deeply that you're willing to buy a hardware? Because I doubt they'll reduce the price of the software on PC ports, they'll still cost $70.
It's time to let go of exclusives unless you're a Nintendo fan.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
If I were Sony, I won't release GOW:R this year with Horizon 2: Forbidden West. Let Horizon take 2021 GOTY, then GOW:R takes 2022 GOTY. Keep the sheer dominance 3 years, at least. 2023? Naughty Dog's GOTY.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Days Gone is literally for free with PS Plus Collection forever, not sure why people are mad that PC beggars will get some PS4 leftovers.
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