cash_longfellow
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I swear, some of y'all are like that one college kid that tries to get away with using Wikipedia as legit source material when writing papers.
Agreed.Same. But I think unless they are dramatically altering the internals and especially the cooling solution, I think most of the changes will be internal, and the external design will be more or less the same.
I don’t think it is a redesign in the look but just the APU to be cheaper.I wonder if it is gonna be even bigger than now
It is more like a shrink in APU to cut costs.Agreed.
You just know some fake insider will run with this as PS5 is going to be more powerful next year or some click bait YouTuber using a headline and thumbnail balancing a Dualsense on their love pencil.
Too soon for a slim model i think just gonna be an internal changeNo surprise. I guess we’re talking PS5 slim?
2.1 TF PS4 slim? First time i hear about it, you sure about this Bo?..It has to do with meeting the extreme demand before it fades away. You must capitalize on it, and this is a very smart move from Sony. Expecting minor improvements in wattage, clock speeds, thermals. Something subtle though, like PS4 OG and PS4 Slim (1.84TF vs 2.1TF with other improvements).
2.1 TF PS4 slim? First time i hear about it, you sure about this Bo?..
For the CPU? It's around 2.1 GHz for the PRO.PS4 Pro is a chiplet of 2x PS4 Slim = 4.2TF but seems 1.8GHz instead of 1.6GHz. Yes, it's 1.84TF as well.
Same as Slim, mate. If anything it'll be a subtle improvement (PS4 OG 1.84TF vs PS4 Slim 2.1TF).
If this turns out to simply be an internal redesign/refinement, much like the variety of early PS3's that you could only tell apart by differences such as the plastic finish, number of GB or USB ports, then I'll keep on waiting. TBH, this is what I expect. Probably a good and necessary move though.
you say subtle but 2.1tf vs 1.84tf would be 14% increase. Similar increase would put it up to 11.3tf and then suddenly that gap to 12tf is even smaller (assuming Microsoft didn't also move to 6nm)
Yes, they'll likely use a less beefy cooling solution and regular thermal paste rather than liquid metal since the power requirement goes down as die shrinks happen. Lots of savings.
PS4 PRO GPU runs at 911 MHz Bo.Yeah it's actually kept at 1.84TF (Slim), but they could've boosted it to 1.8GHz like the Pro. They might boost it this time around though due to being dynamically shifting according to workload.
PS4 PRO GPU runs at 911 MHz Bo.
Some ppl just like jumping to massive conclusions. lolWhat the hell are you talking about? This is to be able to supply more PS5s to the market. It's not a PS5 Pro.
They'll keep the same specifications, and use whatever power saving to cheap out on the cooling solution.clock speed could get higher
Don't worry Sony have been making electronics for a bit, they know what they're doing....A rushed redesign because of supply chain issues doesn't sound like a great idea, but I get why they have to. Let's hope they can also make the console smaller too.
Smaller chip typically mean lower power consumption so yes, they wont need that giant heatsink anymore. But going from 7nm to 6nm isnt as drastic a leap as 28nm to 16nm they had for the PS4 vs the PS4 Slim. At best, they will reduce the thermals by maybe 15%. The PS5 chip is already very small at around 300 mm2, probably a bit less than that. If they can get it to around 250mm2, that would be far easier to cool and with some heatsink redesigns, they might even get a different looking console. Smaller and more compact like the OG PS4.So does this mean thermals might change? As in not as an aggressive cooling solution? Or is this more or less just makes it easier to produce the chips with no real big change in overall internal or external design?
Can anyone chime in on this?
RIght. I wasn't paying attention. it's a 7nm > 6nm, not like 28nm > 16nm. That's hardly a die shrink indeed.This doesnt sound like a slim model with a complete redesign and it's hardly a die shrink, more of a refinement. I wouldn't expect such drastic internal changes. I'd expect something closer to launch PS4 pro VS newer versions.
Here I still can't get the thicc.I want the slim.
This is your brain on twitter,And a certain group on Twitter is celebrating it, equating it with a failed PS5 design with bottlenecks that now need a redesign instantly Ah, good day and fun times! lol.
This is creepy af.
I hope they give a breakdown of the internal differences like they did below with the sheep airplane.
This happened with the PS3 a few years before the Slim. Not because they couldn't keep it in stock, but because they cost too much to make. It was basically a cheaper-made version of the Fat with redisigned innards (It felt lighter too).
I bet it's just an internals change to cut cost. 2022 is too early for a slim IMO.So is it a slim model or just an internal change without modifying the shell of the console?
It’s next year, it’s not fast enough, the current supply issue is a middle finger to everyone who can’t buy a PS5.This would be super too fast... Many people just got ps5 and it's a middle finger to them
If true this is only a redesign of the internals to boost production, this won't include an external redesign like a PS5 Slim. That wont happen until 3nm are available, im guessing 2024 when Apple and Qualcomm have completely abandoned 3nm and gobbles up all of TSMC 2nm chips.A rushed redesign because of supply chain issues doesn't sound like a great idea, but I get why they have to. Let's hope they can also make the console smaller too.
A rushed redesign because of supply chain issues doesn't sound like a great idea, but I get why they have to. Let's hope they can also make the console smaller too.
it means tsmc currently is at 5nm, but sony chose to use a cheaper 6nm
This.The number in the process node is mostly just a representation and isn't indicative of any real measurement (hasn't been for a while).
For example, nvidia's Samsung 8nm for their current GPUs is mostly just a performance iterative step with the same dimensions as Samsung's 10nm node. It's the same as TSMC's 16FF vs 12FN.
In the case of N6, it's presented by TSMC as an easy upgrade over N7P ("no retooling"), using mostly the same electrical and area characteristics but with 4 EUV layers which supposedly decreases production time.
In effect, N6 is an upgrade path to N7 chips to allow higher production output.
I like it personally, Wall-E & Eve’s baby
A redesign to try to counter supply issues actually sounds like a smart idea. Add the fact that the PS5 and PS5DE are the exact same chip and it wont be as bad for both sku's.A rushed redesign because of supply chain issues doesn't sound like a great idea, but I get why they have to. Let's hope they can also make the console smaller too.
You also didn't hear about a global semiconductor shortage during the period consoles were launched.
Its more like Eve's marrying her first cousin and got a deformed child. Let's hope next redesign it will be better.