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[teezzy]

Cool thread Ezquimacore

Lots of people talking out their ass here. Before I had my fun dual 1440p 144hz G-Sync setup, I absolutely gamed on a 720p television at 60hz

The beauty of PC is getting things to run with what you have, especially in a hardware drought like the one which we're facing currently

GAF is so hell-bent on console warring that they think they need to flex on a weaker setup running a modern game with lower settings as if its a win for their favorite toy

They're buffoons. Each and every last one of them.

Have fun, OP

 

[VolticArchangel]

I'm laughing at all the memes, but shitposting low end pc hardware is just plain egregious.

The sheer gains we've had from the steaming hot pile (no pun intended) of shit known as bulldozer to Ryzen, is just nothing short of monstrous, and APU's getting close to even base console (this is still not base PS4 resolution or it's native graphics settings, but still impressive), are just an icing on the cake.

A small reminder to people shitposting these APU's with "720P30 LOL" memes, the CPU on that 3200G SoC blows the everliving shit out of the PS4/PS4 Pro/Xbox One and the Xbox One X's low end, low clocked mobility jaguars. These APU's still can't match the previous gen base console setting because of the 8 Vega cores on the SoC, based on previous gen GCN architecture. Even the new 7NM 5600G uses last gen Vega graphics, and even though slight gains, I doubt that it will match a base PS4's graphics perf.

It's just a matter of time when these line of low end, entry level APU's are equipped with RDNA2/RDNA3 cores, and it will easily outpace the last gen consoles, or at least match them.

I thought AMD Worhol, was going to be the stopgap before Zen 3, and they'll introduce RDNA graphics into their APU's (and Mobility Radeon), but seems like they are canning Worhol, and at full pace to Zen 3 and 5 NM. The water drought in Taiwan and the overall client demand for semiconductor products at TSMC aren't helping either.

Anyway, great times ahead for low end pc gaming.

PS4 pro is 1080p medium settings at 30 fps...

Forget the resolution and framerate, where'd you get this info on settings? Do you have a source? I haven't watched the DF analysis on this yet, anyone know this to be factual?

 

[VolticArchangel]

Oops, double post. Mods, delete this if you see, please.

 

[jufonuk]

Switch version when ?

 

[GreatnessRD]

Glad you're having an enjoyable experience in this PC climate, OP. That's pretty solid considering the hardware you're using.

 

[eyesabitdull]

Some of these replies are asinine.

Why do you even join a gaming forum if you're not even going to partake in a thread which is about gaming hardware and how OP made a game that could be very taxing, work within limitations.

Hurr durr, no one wants 720 30fps, hurr durr.

That's not the goddamn point of this thread ya morons.

 

[BlackM1st]

Some of these replies are asinine.

Why do you even join a gaming forum if you're not even going to partake in a thread which is about gaming hardware and how OP made a game that could be very taxing, work within limitations.

Hurr durr, no one wants 720 30fps, hurr durr.

That's not the goddamn point of this thread ya morons.

LOL, word

 

[Stuart360]

Yeah i think some people are missing the point of the OP's post. He's just showing how he managed to play a fantastic looking game on his low end PC hardeware. It wasnt meant as a 'low end PC vs console' thread.

 

[DGrayson]

Some people's replies in this thread are really really odd.

Nice OP, agreed that people get a bit weird about PC gaming. Sure its nice to have the newest tech and GPU but its a bit difficult now. Older PCs still run games great. Also newer CPUs with built in GPUs are a great stop gap solution if you want to build a PC now while waiting for GPU supply and prices to normalize. This is a good video to check out.

 

[Md Ray]

Forget the resolution and framerate, where'd you get this info on settings? Do you have a source? I haven't watched the DF analysis on this yet, anyone know this to be factual?

Nope. It's a lie.

 

[kiphalfton]

Pcgaming at 720p30

Everybody has to start somewhere.

 

[jufonuk]

All the resolution /FPS purist you don’t understand. If the game is good the game is good.

go play OG Tetris or Pac-Man or Super Mario Bros 1/3 and World or super Metroid.

modern-ish game ?
Bangai-o spirits on the DS

hell kid icarus on the 3DS
Doom 2016 on the switch

“but but 30fps sub 720 in hand held.”
if you spending more time counting the frame rate or resolution than enjoying the game, then well I dunno.

to the OP the fact you can run the game looking like that on older hardware that’s pretty cool. I love watching these kind of things. Or when they use older systems and program a game that pushes them to the limit.

 

[Darlingcognito]

I tried it, shank shank shank, guy talking in backwards cap, input lag when searching for crafting mats for the 500th time /uninstall

 

[jufonuk]

Cool thread Ezquimacore

Lots of people talking out their ass here. Before I had my fun dual 1440p 144hz G-Sync setup, I absolutely gamed on a 720p television at 60hz

The beauty of PC is getting things to run with what you have, especially in a hardware drought like the one which we're facing currently

GAF is so hell-bent on console warring that they think they need to flex on a weaker setup running a modern game with lower settings as if its a win for their favorite toy

They're buffoons. Each and every last one of them.

Have fun, OP

 

[Rikkori]

Yup, game runs beautifully and plays well.

 

[Daymos]

Buying expensive PC hardware and trying to run max settings is stressful and I sometimes wonder if it ultimately hurts your game experience because you're so focused on the game settings, driver updates, and windows settings that it constantly breaks the immersion of the game. I tend to get more out of dreaming about pc parts and putting them together than I do actually playing the games.. (well when I really get into a game it tends to be something from 10 years ago anyways!)

With a low end junk PC you're just so damn happy the game works! I played trails in the sky on a laptop I found in a recycling pile, I got it to run at 30fps and that was it.. played the whole game without thinking about graphics.

 

[Aion002]

Wow! Some really embarrassing posts in this thread...

This is really cool, I love doing that, trying to see how far a "lower" end pc can push, it's almost always surprising. Nice thread!

Some people assumes that if you're not using the newest stuff you should just get a console, otherwise you can only play ps1 games or something on pc.

 

[stranno]

can a ps4 do this?

Again, the thread is to show the power of low end apus these days. y'all stressed for no reason.

Actually, yes.



Problem is: PS4 IPC and I/O performance is crap, so expect constant stuttering.

 

[Ezquimacore]

Actually, yes.



Problem is: PS4 IPC and I/O performance is crap, so expect constant stuttering.

That's actually impressive, cemu is one of the best if not the best emulator ever.

 

[eyesabitdull]

can a ps4 do this?

Again, the thread is to show the power of low end apus these days. y'all stressed for no reason.

Man, I really need to get into emulating Nintendo games on my PC.

Where do I start?

 

[mr.dilya]

Wow! Some really embarrassing posts in this thread...

This is really cool, I love doing that, trying to see how far a "lower" end pc can push, it's almost always surprising. Nice thread!

Some people assumes that if you're not using the newest stuff you should just get a console, otherwise you can only play ps1 games or something on pc.

The "other" forum is filled with psychos and this one is filled with grown children. Can't win.

 

[jigglet]

Why is it that a PC game at 30fps doesn't look as fluid as the console version at the same rate..?

Cause when you're on console you drop your standards faster than a crack whore looking down the barrel of a pair of unzipped pants.

 

[Ezquimacore]

Man, I really need to get into emulating Nintendo games on my PC.

Where do I start?

Check your messages

 

[Dacon]

no PC gamer is going to play a game with 720P with 30fps, they already complaining even if a game runs at 60fps only !!

This is untrue. I often capitulate and play at a locked 30 at high settings if my pc cannot maintain 60. This is the case for every game that I play that isn't a competitive shooter.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

PC Master Race at 720p/30 fps?

 

[Ezquimacore]

This is untrue. I often capitulate and play at a locked 30 at high settings if my pc cannot maintain 60. This is the case for every game that I play that isn't a competitive shooter.

Even modern games now come with the option to lock the game at 30, including days gone.

 

[Dacon]

Even modern games now come with the option to lock the game at 30, including days gone.

I usually don't use built in locks because they usually are less optimal than third party software like RTSS.

 

[Ezquimacore]

PC Master Race at 720p/30 fps?

That's the thing, that cpu is not a gaming cpu and can run modern games without a dedicated graphics. A cheap quad core cpu runs cyberpunk and days gone, master race indeed.

 

[Kenpachii]

Guy makes a thread about showing APU performance.

Bunch of retarded console shitters come into the thread to talk about framerate and resolution of there consoles because for some reason it has any relevance towards anything.

Honestly any PC thread is getting shitted up by these retards, at this point i would just suggest to ban them straight from any PC thread in the future, so the 3 people that play on PC that are left on this forum can still enjoy discussions.

 

[Holammer]

Guy makes a thread about showing APU performance.

Bunch of retarded console shitters come into the thread to talk about framerate and resolution of there consoles because for some reason it has any relevance towards anything.

Honestly any PC thread is getting shitted up by these retards, at this point i would just suggest to ban them straight from any PC thread in the future, so the 3 people that play on PC that are left on this forum can still enjoy discussions.

That's the fate of every PC centric thread on GAF. Its' like the 'civilized discussion' meme.

 

[DeceptiveAlarm]

The comments in this thread. Geeeez.

I have read how far Apus have come. I haven't tried playing with any of them. That is really cool op.

 

[Senua]

Guy makes a thread about showing APU performance.

Bunch of retarded console shitters come into the thread to talk about framerate and resolution of there consoles because for some reason it has any relevance towards anything.

Honestly any PC thread is getting shitted up by these retards, at this point i would just suggest to ban them straight from any PC thread in the future, so the 3 people that play on PC that are left on this forum can still enjoy discussions.

Bruh gaf is Sony-warrior land you gota either embrace it aka take it up the pooper or make like a tree

 

[Epic Sax CEO]

This port is really good, it runs much better than I was expecting.
This 3200G APU is Zen+ and tired old Vega with almost no memory bandwidth.
Next Gen APUs will be killer, Zen2/3 and RDNA2 with DDR5, will pratically make the Virgin pointless.

 

[Kazza]

Guy makes a thread about showing APU performance.

Bunch of retarded console shitters come into the thread to talk about framerate and resolution of there consoles because for some reason it has any relevance towards anything.

Honestly any PC thread is getting shitted up by these retards, at this point i would just suggest to ban them straight from any PC thread in the future, so the 3 people that play on PC that are left on this forum can still enjoy discussions.

It's mostly just the usual Sonygaf warriors with their arses still sore over the latest rogering given to them by VFXVeteran. This is just their way of trying to get back at the RTX3090 PCMR crowd (i.e. by dunking on someone innocently sharing their experience with their APU). What they don't understand is that their console warrior mentality just doesn't work in the PC space.

I've just upgraded from a cheap 4 year old laptop with an i3 Intel iGPU to one with the latest Ryzen and an RTX3060 (so similar to the next gen consoles in terms of specs), but I'm no more a PC gamer now than I was a couple of weeks back.

These Ryzen ones are much better than the old Intel ones though, and the iGPU tech seems to be advancing pretty rapidly. I'll make a bold prediction:

By the end of this gen, the latest APUs will be as powerful as the base PS5.

 

[yamaci17]

Why is it that a PC game at 30fps doesn't look as fluid as the console version at the same rate..?

They are the same, only problem is people don't know how to properly setup for 30 FPS. They will either use wonky ingame limiters which tend to work bad or they will try to play games with mouse at 30 FPS, which would be not fluid on a console as well

-Install Rivatuner, lock to 30 - most important point for stable and smooth framepacing. Most in-game limiters are bad, case closed

-Hook a xbox or ps gamepad - second most important point, 30 fps will always be jarring with a mouse. this is why majority of pc users will rant about how 30 fps looks worse on their pcs compared to consoles because they're trying to do rapid moves with a mouse

-Enable half vsync from either AMD or Nvidia control panels

-Enable motion blur

Boom, you have the same 30 FPS console experience.

It is really easy one you get the hang of it

And finally, a game with a 30 FPS lock will never expose an alternative. From the start to finish, you're attuning yourself to 30 frames. And by no means that I'm saying its bad.

On PC, you literally have toggles to switch in between. You can immediately see how good 60 FPS looks, and you cant go back to 30 FPS, because seconds ago, you experienced the better alternative. If there were no alternative to begin with, you would play long enough to attune for 30 FPS and it would come off as somewhat fluid at some point.

This whole "console 30 FPS looks fluid and 60 FPS like!1" argument quickly died down with the new gen consoles. Now almost every game has a performance mode that actually works perfectly at 60 FPS)and people can switch between in mere seconds. And voila, now most of them will say how horrible 30 FPS looks compared to 60 FPS. All of a sudden fluidity argument is gone. If it was really that fluid, why sacrifice resolution or fidelity to hit 60, huh? Since they can quickly switch in between, most of them can't even go back to 30 FPS, and this is the proof that the "console 30 fps so fluid" argument is not that revelant.

On PC however, with bad conditions and uninformed settings, you can create a jarring 30 FPS experience by yourself, hence the claims of "pc 30 fps look bad"

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Why is it that a PC game at 30fps doesn't look as fluid as the console version at the same rate..?

PC games even on high end PC tend to have some very small stutters. Not sure if it's mouse related or Windows issue. It was the same as well with AC Valhalla vs PS5 while XSX showing the same stutter on PC because they're the same OS.

 

[DenchDeckard]

This is what proves that almost any game can run on most hardware set ups with tweaks. There is no real next gen only software anymore.

games like Demons souls etc could easily run on a PS4 with tweaks to resolution and effects for example. Yes it would have longer load times and things cut back but it would essentially be the same gameplay experience.

overall, hats off to the porting company for making an amazing pc version that can be tweaked to run on these pc APUs.

 

[yamaci17]

rdr 2 rivatuner vs ingame fps limit

in game limit - wonky frame limit jumping between 32.3 and 33.8 ms constantly, jarring 30 fps with hideously low %1 and %0.1 lows

rivatuner limit - perfectly smooth frame pacing with rock solid 33.3 ms, fluid 30 fps with high %1 lows (only 29, even the %0.1 lows is high as 28)

solution is simple, use it I will be trying infamous valhalla as well.

edit:

same story. this time though, rivatuner did not play well instead I used driver fps limiter which did wonders:

valhalla in game limiter is so horrible that it does not even lock to 30. instead it wents up and down between 29 and 31. weird behaviour tbh

 

[Bonfires Down]

Why is it that a PC game at 30fps doesn't look as fluid as the console version at the same rate..?

There's some pretty significant stuttering going on in parts of the video, which might or might not be because of how it was captured. But console games generally do have better frame pacing imo. The other reason might be that quick mouse movements are more likely to expose a low frame rate.

 

[Fafalada]

At 720p and medium settings the game runs perfectly at 30 fps. So props to AMD for making such a great cheap option (Can play Resident Evil 8 too) and props to Sony for the great PC port.

It looks like something between a PS2 and PS3 game at these settings too.
Not to say looks are everything, but for games like these, they're kind of crucial part of the experience.

 

[DGrayson]

PC games even on high end PC tend to have some very small stutters. Not sure if it's mouse related or Windows issue. It was the same as well with AC Valhalla vs PS5 while XSX showing the same stutter on PC because they're the same OS.

This is false and at best limited to a handful of examples.

 

[Keihart]

A PS4 can be had for cheap, yes. But please don't get people into the online tax scam.

I mean, if we are going for the cheap route PS+ does give you a bunch of games in a year, if those games are the ones you want to play it's another matter of course.

 

[Keihart]

I could only play with a Ryzen 3 2200g until last week that I managed to get a 1060 used for a good price.

Maybe some will say "jUsT gEt A cOnSoLe"... It doesn't work like that for a lot of us for many reasons, not having a couple thousands USD per month being one and the fucking GPU madness delaying my purchases being another.

I had to survive on that for a couple years, just last year I decided to enter on 8th gen when getting a second RAM for dual channel and many youtubers from latinamerica and spain are recommending it while GPUs prices go back to normal.

BTW I'm happy this game runs well on the setup. For your information guys/gals, this CPU can run games just consoles but at lower resolution, unless the port is a fucking mess... I only had strong issues with three games of the tons I played: Quantum Break, NieR Automata and Lords of the Fallen... I also avoided the AC games since those are heavy on CPU (can't even run them at 60fps on my card due to the CPU)

i don't know about having to, when i was striped for cash back in college i would always prefer to just game on console and getting discounted games at the local store. It's way cheaper and better experience over a gen than trying to run games on the computer over a whole gen with a mid low spec computer.

Edit: on second thought, it's not better than spending 0 money on PC upgrades and getting games from the bay, argh argh.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

This is false and at best limited to a handful of examples.

Could be wrong but was referring to this:

 

[AutumnLeaves]

Pcgaming at 720p30

Judging others how they play video games when it has no effect on you whatsoever:

 

[DGrayson]

Could be wrong but was referring to this:

As I said at best your statement may be limited to a handful of examples. Assassins' Creed could be one. But your first statement was a bit more blanket covering all PC gaming which just is not true.

 

[onnextflix5]

Its runs like shit, 720p jerky 30fps, what was the point of this post, the advice u should be giving is dont game on igpus,

 

[DGrayson]

Its runs like shit, 720p jerky 30fps, what was the point of this post, the advice u should be giving is dont game on igpus,

Dont be an ass. Read the thread. Why not try it. Its just a fun experiment and can also be useful info for people who cant source a GPU at the moment.

 

[Kataploom]

i don't know about having to, when i was striped for cash back in college i would always prefer to just game on console and getting discounted games at the local store. It's way cheaper and better experience over a gen than trying to run games on the computer over a whole gen with a mid low spec computer.

Edit: on second thought, it's not better than spending 0 money on PC upgrades and getting games from the bay, argh argh.

In my case there was no money for consoles... Too many other priorities and already I waited a whole year and a half till I could play something. 720p@30 wasn't horrible but I was already used to play 1080p@60 in my original country so I reserved a bunch of games just so I could play them again when I could afford a GPU, If I was used to play only on consoles up to that point I wouldn't mind the 30 fps. Also games like Doom ran at mostly 720p@60 on Vulkan on mid to high and other games like Mad Max I ran on high at 30 and around 50 fps some times so it was far from painfull.

 

[FireFly]

PC games even on high end PC tend to have some very small stutters. Not sure if it's mouse related or Windows issue. It was the same as well with AC Valhalla vs PS5 while XSX showing the same stutter on PC because they're the same OS.

If you've followed DF's analysis you'll know that all platforms can experience stuttering, and it depends on specific issues with the developer implementation.