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God of War Sequel and Gran Turismo 7 are Cross Generation Titles
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Melfice7
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sony used to be a company that had quality at the top of priorities, if you start making decisions solely on possible profits, you start losing the fanbaseVery few people in here seem to understand how a business works.However, it seems the average age in here is about 13 so that makes sense. (Or maybe that's the average IQ, the jury is still out on that)
hroerekr
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The titles were announced as PS5 games. If it's not a big deal, why did they hide this information?
Salmon Snake
Member
Well there goes the SSD straight to the garbage bin.
daclynk
Member
Until they do next gen true game. NO im not surprise.
Paulxo87
Member
Honestly I had hope maybe GOW would be PS5 only but the writing was just on the wall from the beginning that GT7 and GOW would also be cross gen just like horizon. First of all - GT7 just looked like a PS4 game with a slick coat of paint and with GOW they were acting shady about whether it was cross gen from day one when asked.
This is going to be a very long generation PS5 has so much overhead that can be drawn out of the thing.
Try not to be too upset - Greatness Awaits(eventually lol)
This is going to be a very long generation PS5 has so much overhead that can be drawn out of the thing.
Try not to be too upset - Greatness Awaits(eventually lol)
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White-fire
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There’s a difference between “Sony is releasing some games that utilize the full power of their new console, while other don’t as the generation begins” and “Sony is lying about them creating games that can only be possible on the PS5”.
The first is reality the second is just whining about Sony not releasing enough games to YOUR liking, and eating massive losses on $300 billion budgets for a small install base. It was easier to make next gen only games when the budgets were a third of the size they are now or even a fifth.
There’s no indication that they won’t continue with their approach of some games only on PS5 and some games not. And it will get less and less skewed towards cross gen even next year.
dcmk7
Banned
Not ashamed to say that I'm a bit confused.. 20% slower loading? install sizes? Seems a lot, but I'll take your word for it.
Zatzuken
Member
Okie Dokie then
The first god of was was fantastic, and was a PS4 game, and from the footage we have seen of horizon, another cross gen game i have no doubt this will look fantastic, and at the very least will run butter smooth on newer hardware.
GT7 looks to literally just be GT Sport will new tracks and cars, running better, i can only see the differences being the number of cars on the track, other then that it will most likely just run at a lower res too on PS4.
I know the ps5 beings new potential, but that potential will come, this gen has launched into a post pandemic world, something thats never happened, supply chains are fucked, peoples jobs are fucked alot of peoples lives are fucked.
I honestly didnt even think we would have new consoles, but we have them and i love mine, but till the world catches up and peoples lives get back to normal, im happy to just have the games come out and people be able to play them and the companies make enough money that these teams can eventually get to the pure next gen stuff.
And like i said before, release dates have changes from the initial trailer since the dawn of time, and im sure it is marketing to get you buying the console, but the game wasnt cancelled, just pushed back, it will come.
T8SC
Member
No, you lose a few forum gimps. The majority of people don't give a shit.
no I was taking about GPU power ..there's a thread about ue5 test running on a ssd Evo 970 Sam a 4k 60fps ..go to check it how much supercalifragilisticexpialidocious i/o it need. That pr brainwashed some of you.
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daclynk
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But it can be even more.
Papacheeks
Banned
I think this video at least conveys what is only on PS5 and what is also on both as seen by the "Also available on PS4" below certain titles.
Ratchet is PS5 only, Demons souls is PS5 only, Returnal is PS5 only, Atrobot PS5 only, Destruction all stars PS5 only. It's pretty distinctive to be honest I dont know why people are literally saying they lied?
Even when being put into context games that are available on both, the things they show like ray traced effects, native 4k rendering and instant level/loading are big enough to know PS5 only features.
If people cant make that distinction than go buy a switch and shut the fuck up.
They are doing things in their games that is obvious of the generation difference in versions of cross gen titles.
How so? Their workflows scale. You will not have loading screens, and be able to use flying mounts without a transition in Forbidden west on PS5.
I doubt effects, LOD, DOF, character model desnity/detail will look as good on PS5. Let alone the amouint of area you will see.
Go play miles morales on PS4 then go to PS5.
Night and day difference, PS5 version is like a different game, and thats because it is.
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Craig of War
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What happen to "We believe in generations" ??? and whats with all this spin from you lol
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dcmk7
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White-fire
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If they start losing their fan base that means they aren’t making decisions off of possible profits….. The only way a company survives is by making profits. High profits = bigger fan base and vice versa. How is it possibly that by chasing higher profits they would lose their fan base. That makes zero sense, it’s the execution of the profit making model that could cause people to leave, but the profit incentive is a given for almost every company.
If you don’t think their recent games these last 3-4 years have not been on another level when it comes to quality at launch then I don’t know what games you’re playing man.
SafeOrAlone
Banned
Well, I don't want to go in circles, but since you brought it up again, yes "release date changes happen all the time", but context matters. Sony was very deceitful in this situation. It is clear that they knew the game would not launch in 2021 when they announced it. When you straight up know that what you are saying isn't true, but you say it anyway. that's called deceitful. That doesn't bug you - I get that. But you shouldn't be surprised that it bugs other people. Again....Not every game delay is equal.
And it's not like they deserve the benefit of the doubt here, do they? Because they put out all that footage that claimed God of War was a PS5 game, when they must have known that wasn't true either.
It seems like your stance is "no big deal. The games will get here." That's a great, positive outlook to have. But it doesn't at all negate the complaints people have about this. There will be a ton of uproar and it will be the topic of the week - that's for good reason.
yurinka
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Maybe because they still weren't sure if the game was going to be able to run at a proper performance on base PS4, so they prefered to work in both versions, announce it only for PS5 and if PS4 wasn't enough for the game then they would drop the PS4 version to avoid another Cyberpunk case.
They may prefer that it was better the possibility of announcing a version late than the possibility of announce it and canceling it later. It's better to potentially upset ~10M players than >100M players.
Horizon, GT and GoW looked stunning on PS4, their sequels pretty sure will look great on PS4. Morales also looked great on PS4. Regarding the PS5 versions, we saw Morales, Horizon 2 and GT7 looking great on PS5 so very likely GoW will look great too, since the 2018 PS4 already looks great on PS5.
At the same time, Horizon 2, GoWR and GT7 started their development in 2017 or 2018. Back then they didn't know the final PS5 specs and didn't have final devkits or similar PCs because the PS5 technology didn't exist back then. So it was impossible to design these games from scratch taking full advantage of the new PS5 tech, they had to do something with the tech they already knew back then. So the games in any case would have looked way better if released on PS5 only. They took the right decision.
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GuinGuin
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The more money Sony makes the more they can spend on hiring and acquisitions to make even more and even better games. Last gen ports aren't going to keep GT7, Horizon and GoW from being amazing games on PS5.
ManaByte
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NOW workflows can scale?
Antony1992
Member
Eventually, the real next gen console is the Series X.
We believe in generations, sure sure.
We believe in generations, sure sure.
thismeinteil
Member
Considering how good Sony's cross-gen efforts look, I'm not worried. It's not like we're getting Halo Infinite after Halo Infinite here. Then, I'd be pissed.
Salmon Snake
Member
Well to be straight I haven't got the opportunity to test between MM PS4 and PS5 versions.
I'm sure PS5 version loads faster and stuff, but I'd like to see Sony make PS5 games only from Ratchet onwards. To take full use of the new tech.
I believe in generations and bleeding out the old blood.
How epic was that?
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FIREKNIGHT2029
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After seeing how great HFW looks, I don’t really give a shit. GOW and GT7 are still gonna melt eyeballs and make your PS4 explode trying to run them.
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
I mean....they still have more actual ps5 exclusives in the past 7-8 months than xbox has had....everyou guys owe me and Phil an apology.
last year i said crossing a generation takes a few years. Phil words got trolled non stop.
But no, you just believed the jimbo hype and made fun of the reality we spoke of.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
With Horizon 2 being probably delayed to early 2022, who the fuck knows when we'll get a proper GT.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
I just thought of doing this to my PS5 when l heard the news.
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SafeOrAlone
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It's not that. People just don't like such blatant deceit from the companies they support. It's one thing to delay a game, it's one thing to make a cross-gen game, two years in.Very few people in here seem to understand how a business works.
But context matters, and when you announce that "hey, we lied about that cross-gen thing, and *surprise* the game isn't coming out when we said it would", then it's fair to expect some blowback and disappointment. It's unfortunate to see people are so defensive that they need to negate the complaints this is bringing about.
Let people be annoyed that they were deceived and lied to. It's fair.
Papacheeks
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In terms of having already a PS4 version yes. And also their games are not being made with direct x 12. So in a sense they may have transistions, and specific load screens set for PS4 version, but in PS5 all that stuff is gone. When they make the game they are targeting the PS5, just that at the time their tools and what they have at the time is PS4 devkits in 2018. I highly doubt Ratchet being built from the ground up for PS5 in terms of dekit they had would run without large caveats.
So far Microsoft hasn't shown us anything to go by, but a bad look at halo that looked like it could run on xbox one x with maybe lower dof, lod.
Certain things probably wont scale, and difference will be very apparant like instant level loading in Miles morales through a transition of zipping through a pipe from inside of a building to outside in the whole open map.
The way Sony designs their games is different and hard to compare 1:1 with xbox because they are setup differently in software, devkits, and the API's they use.
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
Yeah maybe GOW because its a slash/beat emup. GT7 needs completely overhauling, physics, damage and dynamic weather etc. Can't see that happening with that Jag cpu in mind.The more money Sony makes the more they can spend on hiring and acquisitions to make even more and even better games. Last gen ports aren't going to keep GT7, Horizon and GoW from being amazing games on PS5.
Anchovie123
Member
I legit felt physically ill when i read this...
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
this is bullshit, wish it was PS5 only
........what games have they released recently that were not quality? Miles was great, Demon Souls was an amazing remake, Rachet comes out in a week or so, Returnal was a great new rogue-lite experience for people that have not played games like that before.....I am seeing a disconnect here......
ManaByte
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White-fire
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Simplistic one liner statements hardly ever have the full truth behind them. When people say “wow they lied? They don’t care about X??” or, “what happened to this statement?”, there’s so much truth that gets glossed over in the service of gotchas or outrage.
This is also true for the statement “We believe in generations.” It’s a tag line, does the statement say they would stop production of their cross-gen games and only move them to PS5? No, at least I don’t think so. Does it mean that they built their console’s philosophy, achitecture, and future around what they think gaming could be and are trying to realize that? Yeah. Sony has a console and developers ready to capitalize on games that could not be made on the PS4, otherwise why else make a new console generation with vastly different features and architecture?
Sony is about to release their 5th PS5 only game this month, while still releasing cross gen games. If they didn’t believe in generations that number would be 0.
Edit: Side note, these games were supposed to all release this year. This was not supposed to be a permanent thing. This is because of Covid.
I was also a little rude my bad.
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Very true Mario 64 and Gran Turismo 3 should have been cross gen as game design would have not been affected. Also graphics wouldn't have changed much if they were cross gen.
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Endless Fluff
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Yeah, GT7 will melt your eyeballs alright.
This is from the reveal trailer and I say it again... I am actually surprised that anyone believed that this wasn't a cross gen game. Low res textures, low poly trees and NPCs, no ambient occlusion... the grass/foliage is laughable. That scene from the reveal trailer (at 30 seconds mark btw) looks like a better PS3 game.
Papacheeks
Banned
So one company can scale workflows and the other can't.
No, one company has a totally custom setup, the other is very off the shelf in their parts, api they use and even OS, and developer tools that literally are PC based.
Sony's setup for their skd's is different. So how they do things in designing is very different.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
You don't need such a quote. What Sony was telling people was obvious and essentially just that, so they unquestionably lied. No point making excuses for it. It's still a good decision what they're doing, but they flat out lied.
Hoppa
Member
I have no idea about game development but how do things like this work? If it's developed on PS5, can they just 'drop the quality sliders' so it runs on PS4? Like switching between ultra and low settings on a PC?. Guess the downside would be more cutscenes of Kratos squeezing through tight gaps and boosting characters up to a ledge lol
Crimson_Fate
Member
Crossgen and they want $70... LOL I am going to continue my tradition this gen of living off of PS+ and just buying select 3rd party I'll pick up these crossgen ones when they drop to $9.99 next year
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Almost looks ps3 gen honestly. You sure this was in the trailer? If so, there's no way people can be surprised after calling it ps5 only quality.Yeah, GT7 will melt your eyeballs alright.
This is from the reveal trailer and I say it again... I am actually surprised that anyone believed that this wasn't a cross gen game. Low res textures, low poly trees and NPCs, no ambient occlusion... the grass/foliage is laughable. That scene from the reveal trailer (at 30 seconds mark btw) looks like a better PS3 game.
squarealex
Member
And PS5 is ez to dev on it...
Demat games are MORE profitable than PS3 Era... and PS4 service game keeping more profit...
This strategic choices have no sens with the ambitious tech of the PS5.
It's like Sony putting God of War 3 on PS2... but hey... you have PS2 GRAPHICS HD on 720p on PS3... isn't nice ?
Covid... yeah... sure...
Papacheeks
Banned
No. If you design any aspect of the game around something like the ssd in how it loads the map, then that is a huge caveat that will require trickery to get it working on PS4.
VeganElduderino
Member
Yeah and hopefully we see it soon!All the "fans" throwing tantrums and the trolls taking pot shots are going to shut up the second GoW Ragnarok gets shown for the first time.
GuinGuin
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Endless Fluff
Banned
Yes, I took that screenshot. It's a panning shot from the trailer at the 0:30 second mark.
I have posted this a few times in the past in response to people who said this game looked truly next gen and was only possible on PS5 and that it won't be cross gen.
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