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[dcmk7]

I am so glad the dark days of the X1 are behind us. The best part is MS is paving their own path and I hope they are greatly rewarded for the excellent value and options they are providing gamers.

Did you hold Microsoft to account way back then? Like a single time?
Genuinely curious since I can't imagine it.

But you are right, they have left those dark days behind them. Amazing to think just how bad X1 was.. somehow went backwards off the success of the 360. Kinect being bundled with the SKU, in a cheap desperate effort to tap into the Wii market was a huge, hugeeee mistake.

Glad they recognised the mistake and dropped its support relatively early in that generation. Was quite a brutal move. The introduction of the X1X steered the ship around, man, that thing was / is a beast.

 

[DonkeyKong]

Have to agree, MS seemed to have turned things around with the steady stream of games in the pipeline, and so many day one on gamepass, crazy

 

[Topher]

I think you know who. The one who is so arrogant to come up with the brilliant idea of pulling out of E3.

Sucks they didn't take advantage of that PR event. I mean.....it isn't like they can just do their own PR event whenever they want and accomplish the exact same thing.

 

[Chukhopops]

You are trying to convince guys who have stuck to Xbox for the last decade of nothing but Halo Gears and Forza that its not what excites them

You can’t decide what people should or should not be excited about. Playing Halo in Legendary coop with one or two friends is more exciting to me than any single player game except maybe BoTW 2.

Unless someone died and appointed you as the authority to tell people what they can be excited about, you are simply free to disagree and have different preferences.

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

I'm excited. Will definitely be buying a series X now

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

The fun thing is that it is just the beginning

 

[chonga]

Good Xbox Event? Not really
Great gamepass event? Yup

The conference thread was littered with comments like 'not feeling these games, but my GP sub has such great value!'.

This to me makes no sense.

If you hate Chinese food but there was an all-you-can-eat Chinese buffet that was cheap are you going to go there and eat it all and whilst gagging or vomiting because you hate the food exclaim "what great value!"? No.

This is exactly one the concerns some people have with GP, that it will be padded out with fodder to give a perceived value.

 

[elliot5]

The conference thread was littered with comments like 'not feeling these games, but my GP sub has such great value!'.

This to me makes no sense.

If you hate Chinese food but there was an all-you-can-eat Chinese buffet that was cheap are you going to go there and eat it all and whilst gagging or vomiting because you hate the food exclaim "what great value!"? No.

This is exactly one the concerns some people have with GP, that it will be padded out with fodder to give a perceived value.

I for one didn't see a single game shown that I wouldn't play. I look forward to all the releases and they all looked high quality.

 

[Larvana]

More Xbox talk with no numbers provided. Funny how the richest company is the one most scared of numbers.

You're defensive, why so salty?

You are trying to convince guys who have stuck to Xbox for the last decade of nothing but Halo Gears and Forza that its not what excites them

You really love attention don't ya? Xbox must live in your mind rent free because you complain more about xbox than actually play PS.

I really love their approach to PR, use murky metrics, lie without actually lying, make things look much better than they actually are and hope reality catches up in the future.

Sounds like a true silicon valley guy.

Lol. You sound butt-hurt. You really are a true silicon valley guy yourself, eh?

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

When MS will finally start throwing its weight around - with localization, marketing, engagement, server access - they will succeed. We are just at the beginning now basically.

 

[CeeJay]

Did you hold Microsoft to account back way back then? Like a single time?
Genuinely curious since I can't imagine it.

But you are right, they have left those dark days behind them. Amazing to think just how bad X1 was.. somehow went backwards off the success of the 360. Kinect being bundled with the SKU, in a cheap desperate effort to tap into the Wii market was a huge, hugeeee mistake.

Glad they recognised the mistake and dropped its support relatively early in that generation. Was quite a brutal move. The introduction of the X1X steered the ship around, man, that thing was / is a beast.

Personally I don't think there was anything dark about those days except maybe the colour of the console itself and some negative narrative.

The Xbox Series S/X use the same UI, have the same controller and follow the same ethos as the Xbox One. Gamepass, Play Anywhere, Free enhanced BC are all cornerstones of the Xbox brand today and all were born fairly early on in the Xbox One era. The old and new consoles are so similar that In many alt universes, the Series X and S carry the still carry the Xbox One name. There has never been a next gen system that felt so similar to the previous one that it blurs the lines on the what term "next gen" means. Even MS themselves distanced themselves from generations and said they were now generationless.

Xbox One was a founding father, not the failure that people like to portray.

 

[FritzJ92]

That these titles got side-lined was odd, especially as they got screen time around platform launch an are supposedly coming soon.

Sorry but this kind of confirms my concern -and this is far more for devs than consumers- that the GamePass model is far too reliant on product churn for my liking.
Is it going to be a case where If your game isn't on the spotlight list, is it going to get dumped out onto GP with minimal promotion?

Its reminiscent to me of how mobile gaming went, only a much more accelerated version. I mean this in the sense that once you lower the barrier to entry such as that the value-proposition for everything from the tiniest indie to the biggest AAA are the same, the little guys have virtually no chance of making an impression and it becomes more about marketing, visibiility, and brand value than anything else.

2nd show today to show off these games. It’s smarter to do that than a 2 hour conference where people will loose focus. The show today is 2 hours long.

 

[MOTM]

Trying to figure out who you think their "direct competitor" is because the one I think it is has been delivering an incredible library of games.



They aren't the richest right now. Apple is. And yeah, their games division has plenty to prove. A solid conference doesn't change that.

Their games division has nothing to prove to you when it comes to numbers, financials are anything of the sort.

And when it comes to games, I have a Series X + Gamepass and I’m a happy customer. Talk for yourself.

 

[Topher]

Personally I don't think there was anything dark about those days except maybe the colour of the console itself and some negative narrative.

The Xbox Series S/X use the same UI, have the same controller and follow the same ethos as the Xbox One. Gamepass, Play Anywhere, Free enhanced BC are all cornerstones of the Xbox brand today and all were born fairly early on in the Xbox One era. The old and new consoles are so similar that In many alt universes, the Series X and S carry the still carry the Xbox One name. There has never been a next gen system that felt so similar to the previous one that it blurs the lines on the what term "next gen" means. Even MS themselves distanced themselves from generations and said they were now generationless.

Xbox One was a founding father, not the failure that people like to portray.

That's being very generous, imo. Xbox One was poorly conceived from the beginning. The vision of Xbox One was revamped before it was ever even launched. The hardware configuration had to be corrected (removing Kinect) after the launch. In the meantime, the entire Xbox One generation was infamous for lack of first party games.

Having said all that, the mistakes of Xbox One forced Phil Spencer to come up with innovative ways to compete. So while the console itself and the first party output was just horrid, key changes came out of that wreck. The changes, however, were primarily philosophical and redefined Xbox overall. Xbox One was not a founding father. It was indeed a failure. But great ideas are often born from failure. Personally, I think Microsoft gaming is in a much better place overall because of the failure of Xbox One.

Their games division has nothing to prove to you when it comes to numbers, financials are anything of the sort.

And when it comes to games, I have a Series X + Gamepass and I’m a happy customer. Talk for yourself.

I am talking for myself. I'm not a happy customer. The first party output is still horrible and that is absolutely where their games division has much to prove. If you think Microsoft's game output has been fine then that's all you and. we can just agree to disagree.

 

[CeeJay]

That's being very generous, imo. Xbox One was poorly conceived from the beginning. The vision of Xbox One was revamped before it was ever even launched. The hardware configuration had to be corrected (removing Kinect) after the launch. In the meantime, the entire Xbox One generation was infamous for lack of first party games.

Having said all that, the mistakes of Xbox One forced Phil Spencer to come up with innovative ways to compete. So while the console itself and the first party output was just horrid, key changes came out of that wreck. The changes, however, were primarily philosophical and redefined Xbox overall. Xbox One was not a founding father. It was indeed a failure. But great ideas are often born from failure. Personally, I think Microsoft gaming is in a much better place overall because of the failure of Xbox One.

I agree with your entire first paragraph and most of your second but it was far from a failure (unless you want to define failure purely as second place in a two horse race).

That's like calling IOS a failure against Android.

Xbox One may have failed to sell more than half as much hardware as the PS4 but that doesn't make it a failure. Ouya was a failure, Stadia was(is) a failure, Fukushima was a failure, the third Reich was a failure, Titanic was a failure, Xbox One under-performed but wasn't a true failure in the real sense of the word.

 

[MOTM]

That's being very generous, imo. Xbox One was poorly conceived from the beginning. The vision of Xbox One was revamped before it was ever even launched. The hardware configuration had to be corrected (removing Kinect) after the launch. In the meantime, the entire Xbox One generation was infamous for lack of first party games.

Having said all that, the mistakes of Xbox One forced Phil Spencer to come up with innovative ways to compete. So while the console itself and the first party output was just horrid, key changes came out of that wreck. The changes, however, were primarily philosophical and redefined Xbox overall. Xbox One was not a founding father. It was indeed a failure. But great ideas are often born from failure. Personally, I think Microsoft gaming is in a much better place overall because of the failure of Xbox One.



I am talking for myself. I'm not a happy customer. The first party output is still horrible and that is absolutely where their games division has much to prove. If you think Microsoft's game output has been fine then that's all you and. we can just agree to disagree.

Then why did you buy an Xbox in the first place?

Their games division put out Gamepass which is the biggest killer app in gaming these last 10 years.

So yeah let’s agree to disagree.

 

[Topher]

I agree with your entire first paragraph and most of your second but it was far from a failure (unless you want to define failure purely as second place in a two horse race).

That's like calling IOS a failure against Android.

Xbox One may have failed to sell more than half as much hardware as the PS4 but that doesn't make it a failure. Ouya was a failure, Stadia was(is) a failure, Fukushima was a failure, the third Reich was a failure, Titanic was a failure, Xbox One under-performed but wasn't a true failure in the real sense of the word.

Xbox One was not a brand new product like Ouya and Stadia. To me, Xbox One was a failure primarily because it squandered all the gains made by Xbox 360.

Then why did you buy an Xbox in the first place?

Their games division put out Gamepass which is the biggest killer app in gaming these last 10 years.

So yeah let’s agree to disagree.

I didn't buy an Xbox. I'm a PC gamer. Game Pass, to me, will be "killer" when Microsoft's first party fulfills the promises of all its acquisitions.

 

[Darklor01]

Before and after buying both new consoles, I feel like there wasn't much reason to buy either at launch despite personal justifications.

Playstation has put out exclusive games which now include Ratchet & Clank. If you like R&C games or that type of game, that's the first true reason IMO to own the PS5. I have loved playing Spider Man and Miles Morales with enhancements, and some other games, but it wasn't a true reason to have to have a PS5. Outside of R&C, until now, there hasn't been a true reason yet. I don't like what they've done to the Party and Party Chat system in Playstation, though I'm sure it's got it's uses. Sony has yet to unlock the M.2 NVME slot and was slow to allow transfer of games between internal and external storage for PS5 games. The NVME slot needs to be unlocked as more games come out. It's inconvenient to have to transfer games in and out to play them as PS5 enhanced games or for PS5 only titles.

Microsoft XBOX out of the gate didn't have true reasons to own the console, and largely still does not.
Ignoring the console exclusive comments I could make, enhanced games and boosted performance is nice. These aren't true need reasons for this console either. Gamepass/Gamepass Ultimate is a great value indeed and has been even at launch. I don't use it much because many games in there haven't appealed to me personally or to a desire to play them. I tend to like freshly released titles and move on. Until now, with the large amount of new games hitting Gamepass, that didn't appeal to me personally despite the obvious value. Soon, I feel, if they keep hitting with new and optimized content, there's no denying a real reason to own a way to play XBOX exclusive and other content using Gamepass. If you own an XSS or XSX, also a real reason to buy the expended storage card as well.

All of this adds up to the potential for this to feel more like the XBOX 360 era for MS in terms of reasons to play on their platform. Additionally, I feel that in some more technical ways, this is kinda like the PS3 vs. XBOX 360 in how the consoles on the surface are set up. The 360 had more powerful hardware, and towards the end of the PS3s life, the balance of playing multiplats on one console or the other was a decent mix where many performed quite well on either system.
We have to see where all of this plays out, but, it's an optimistic looking future for this gen of consoles.

This is also outside of new streaming abilities that XBOX is setting up to put XBOX content streaming across many many devices. I likely won't use that, but, a lot of people could and might.

 

[Roberts]

The conference thread was littered with comments like 'not feeling these games, but my GP sub has such great value!'.

This to me makes no sense.

If you hate Chinese food but there was an all-you-can-eat Chinese buffet that was cheap are you going to go there and eat it all and whilst gagging or vomiting because you hate the food exclaim "what great value!"? No.

This is exactly one the concerns some people have with GP, that it will be padded out with fodder to give a perceived value.

Out of hundreds of games on GP right now, there is probably less than a handful that could be labelled as cheap, puke-inducing Chinese fast food. Gamepass content is exceptionally well curated, so it will never be a problem. Now, there are games that I’m not interested in, but I’m willing to try them and see if they can change my mind (and it has happened in the past).

 

[Roberts]

Microsoft XBOX out of the gate didn't have true reasons to own the console, and largely still does not.

While I would have bought it any other way, because I like new tech, I have already spent hundreds of hours playing older games that I missed when they came out, mostly thanks to auto-HDR and FPS boost. Just finished Deus Ex: Mankind divided for the first time and with these features on, the game just looks and plays so much better. But I digress...

 

[nightmare-slain]

Xbox is definitely the console to get this generation. They are killing it. I cancelled my PS5 preorder and i'm waiting to get an Xbox will be my first time owning one as I've always been PS.

They showed off games I'm excited to play. I enjoyed what Sony had but they've grown stale (Uncharted/GT/GoW) or have completely gone off the rails (TLOU). The only games I want to play on PS are Demons Souls (a game from 2009) and Forbidden West (can play that on my PS4 lol). As you might guess from my avatar/username my favourite PS4 games were Persona 5 + Bloodborne which aren't Sony games just exclusive to PS4. That says a lot about what I think of Sony 1st party games these days.

 

[Interfectum]

The conference thread was littered with comments like 'not feeling these games, but my GP sub has such great value!'.

This to me makes no sense.

If you hate Chinese food but there was an all-you-can-eat Chinese buffet that was cheap are you going to go there and eat it all and whilst gagging or vomiting because you hate the food exclaim "what great value!"? No.

This is exactly one the concerns some people have with GP, that it will be padded out with fodder to give a perceived value.

While I wouldn't go that far it does feel like everything shown at E3 was kinda... eh? Not bad but nothing mind-blowing either.

 

[VN1X]

It's because of Corona. Everyone's inside.

 

[Adam_802]

Im sure some people will get triggered by this lol. Great show, and everyone is talking about Halo!

 

[Diddy X]

They have the strongest console and also the best gaming service, now they must work hard on new games and they'll be numero uno.

 

[Bear*Walken*the*Sweeper]

No Sony more Xbox views

 

[Starfield]

Wait until you see next year.

Starfield full Todd-Howard Demo, Hellblade 2 gameplay, Everwild, ZOS new IP announcement, Wolfenstein 3, Forza 8 next gen only, and so on....

 

[DarkMage619]

I'll take the XSS over the X1 any day. $300 console capable of raytracing? More 120fps games than more expensive consoles? Working internal storage expansion solution? Emulation beast? Show me a cheaper box that can do more.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

I'll take the XSS over the X1 any day. $300 console capable of raytracing? More 120fps games than more expensive consoles? Working internal storage expansion solution? Emulation beast? Show me a cheaper box that can do more.

Yep, there's no reason to pick X1 or even the X1X over the XSS. X1X pushes higher resolutions, but the cost is just not worth it. The cost being 30 fps and insane loading times.

 

[reksveks]

Where is Wolfenstein 3? I would have said a 2022 game.

Xbox gamepass for console getting 4 Bethesda games in 22 including Ghostwire Tokyo and Deathloop.

 

[XXL]

Wait until you see next year.

 

[Andodalf]

More Xbox talk with no numbers provided. Funny how the richest company is the one most scared of numbers.

People who have money know that those who talk about how much they have are poor as hell

 

[Thirty7ven]

It was a hit with Xbox fans no doubt, but as the hours and the days are going by, it’s already apparent there wasn’t any unexpected surprise that will carry hype forward or any game that set the internet ablaze. The story continues being gamepass and 21’ outlook for Xbox hasn’t changed.

 

[Ceadeus]

The ONLY thing missing is Blade UI comeback and custom faceplate.

 

[Unknown?]

Well they didn't have much competition... E3 was terrible., even their show wasn't good but it was better than everything else.

 

[MOTM]

Xbox One was not a brand new product like Ouya and Stadia. To me, Xbox One was a failure primarily because it squandered all the gains made by Xbox 360.



I didn't buy an Xbox. I'm a PC gamer. Game Pass, to me, will be "killer" when Microsoft's first party fulfills the promises of all its acquisitions.

So you’re not an Xbox customer then like you said previously.. unless you have Gamepass? But then why are you subscribed if only the 1st party games count and you’re not interested in the other 400+ games?

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

I think it was exceptionally... solid. Not mind blowing, but no E3 ever is... But definitely exciting as the start of the future. GamePass was the star of the show, then FH5 and Flight Sim for me. Halo needed to show single player to excite me, I'll never play multi, but I can't wait for it to release. I also cannot wait for Starfield, but they really didn't show anything. Definitely convinced me that there are some very good times ahead, as we suspected. Most of the biggest names didn't even appear, and they still had a mass of content. Almost all of it on Gamepass. Going to be crazy times for Xbox soon, and anyone downplaying it is having an increasingly difficult time remaining credible. Microsoft are in this to be the leaders, and have the resources to do it.

Remember the ludicrous over reactions to the Shenmue 3 kickstarter, Last Guardian, FF7 Remake conference? I'd rather not see that kind of embarrassing behavior again. Especially given how that turned out when they actually released and two out of three were just truly awful. MS needs to keep doing their thing and remain confident but don't over hype - let the work speak for itself. The rewards will come.

The Last Guardian "truly awful"? Get the fuck out of here. You may not like it, but by any respectable standard it's not a bad game. To me it's a TOP 5 game last gen, and of course that's why I take issue with you. Not even by User score standard on Metacritic where more losers than not like to vote 0 the game is even close to bad. It's a fucking gem.

 

[Topher]

So you’re not an Xbox customer then like you said previously.. unless you have Gamepass? But then why are you subscribed if only the 1st party games count and you’re not interested in the other 400+ games?

I never said I was a customer of Xbox console at all. You assumed that. You are aware that all Microsoft games are on PC and as a PC gamer I am a customer of Microsoft games, right? I'm not subscribed to Game Pass on PC as none of the games I currently want to play are on Game Pass. Like I said, when Microsoft first party shows up then Game Pass will have my interest.

 

[ResilientBanana]

The conference thread was littered with comments like 'not feeling these games, but my GP sub has such great value!'.

This to me makes no sense.

If you hate Chinese food but there was an all-you-can-eat Chinese buffet that was cheap are you going to go there and eat it all and whilst gagging or vomiting because you hate the food exclaim "what great value!"? No.

This is exactly one the concerns some people have with GP, that it will be padded out with fodder to give a perceived value.

"fodder"


Gamepass isn't really meant for people that have already played all the AAA games already. But also, it's for the people that don't want to spend $60 for every game released. For the cost of 2 games a year, 30 - 50 games are added and I have the choice to play them. That's where the value comes in.

 

[graywolf323]

The ONLY thing missing is Blade UI comeback and custom faceplate.

Blade UI was the best Xbox UI

 

[DarkMage619]

Did you hold Microsoft to account way back then? Like a single time?
Genuinely curious since I can't imagine it.

But you are right, they have left those dark days behind them. Amazing to think just how bad X1 was.. somehow went backwards off the success of the 360. Kinect being bundled with the SKU, in a cheap desperate effort to tap into the Wii market was a huge, hugeeee mistake.

Glad they recognised the mistake and dropped its support relatively early in that generation. Was quite a brutal move. The introduction of the X1X steered the ship around, man, that thing was / is a beast.

Sure did. I didn't buy an X1 until the X1X came out. I didn't like Kinect and I certainly didn't want to be forced to buy one. I voted with my wallet.

 

[dcmk7]

Sure did. I didn't buy an X1 until the X1X came out. I didn't like Kinect and I certainly didn't want to be forced to buy one. I voted with my wallet.

Certainly doesn't seem like you voted with your wallet.

Seemed fully on board the Kinect ride, way back then..

They will ditch kinect right after Nintendo ditches their tablet on the Wii U as in never. The Kinect is the only thing that makes the X1 stand apart from the PS4. Are you guys really saying you are willing to pay the same for a weaker PS4? I highly doubt it.

They need to keep kinect but eat the cost, add more bonuses to X Live, add in some pack in titles or all/some of the above. Them dropping kinect would cost them so much more since they already spent tons in R&D. Kinect isn't going anywhere.

The Dark One

I am curious why so many people want MS to remove the Kinect camera. Did you all feel the same way about the Wii and WiiU? Would those consoles be better if Nintendo didn't have any motion controls for their games?

I am not fond of the higher price but I do understand that MS is at least trying to innovate by making sure that their camera accessory is with every box so that any game that uses the camera would not have any potential customers left out. The camera is just another way to try to immerse gamers into the games we play. Not all games will make use of the camera the same way. I highly doubt Halo or Gears will come out requiring camera controls only. Did you not see the Xbox One controller? Do you not think that the vast majority of games will use it? Outside of the price I don't see the issue.

The Dark One

If lie about that, what else would you lie about I wonder.

 

[Fredrik]

And apparently they aren’t ready yet, there is an extended E3 show starting in 2 hours!

 

[SSfox]

The conference thread was littered with comments like 'not feeling these games, but my GP sub has such great value!'.

This to me makes no sense.

If you hate Chinese food but there was an all-you-can-eat Chinese buffet that was cheap are you going to go there and eat it all and whilst gagging or vomiting because you hate the food exclaim "what great value!"? No.

This is exactly one the concerns some people have with GP, that it will be padded out with fodder to give a perceived value.

Oh yeah i agree, i'm not a gamepass fan, and also not a big fan of the Xbox exclusives MS has showed like Forza and Halo. But i'm talking about someone who already bought gamepass who like those kind of game that's nice deal if you look at the entire picture, also all Yakuza games coming in is nice as well if that same gamepass dude never played Yakuza.

But yeah it does not sold me an Xbox either, even Nintendo has more games i'm interested in (even if it's very very few games)


Plague Tales R is the game of the Xbox show for me but it's mutli so i'm gonna get this on PS5.

Personally as i said already i prefer to choose my games and own them, again not saying Gamepass is bad, also it's nice to have multi options of playing games (i always have to re-re-re-re-re-re-precise to not piss off some whiny here because some here have hard time to get that)

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Whoever is picking games for timed exclusivity and/or gamepass got a talent for it. Reminds of a GM in sports finding talent deep into the draft.

I'm curious who leads this really. They seem to put Sarah Bond front and center, so I'm sure she deserves some credit. Apparently she is on most of the plane rides with Phil when it comes to partnerships too.

 

[Fredrik]

The conference thread was littered with comments like 'not feeling these games, but my GP sub has such great value!'.

This to me makes no sense.

If you hate Chinese food but there was an all-you-can-eat Chinese buffet that was cheap are you going to go there and eat it all and whilst gagging or vomiting because you hate the food exclaim "what great value!"? No.

This is exactly one the concerns some people have with GP, that it will be padded out with fodder to give a perceived value.

Lol I haven’t seen any Xbox fan hate or want to vomit from the Gamepass library
What people miss is the Michelin star meals once or twice a year. But having access to nice pizza every day versus just eating a can of beans is nice too. Especially since the Michelin star meals are coming too.

 

[Andodalf]

I'm curious who leads this really. They seem to put Sarah Bond front and center, so I'm sure she deserves some credit. Apparently she is on most of the plane rides with Phil when it comes to partnerships too.

Phil, Bond, booty, and an army of accountants, strategists, analysts, and lawyers.

 

[Kagey K]

Phil, Bond, booty, and an army of accountants, strategists, analysts, and lawyers.

Don't forget Chris Charla, he leads the ID@Xbox program, and how many games he has helped bring over as well.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Microsoft and Nintendo saved E3 tbh, particularly Microsoft tho. So yeah, well-deserved indeed. Looking forward to the extended showcase (dev discussions?).

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

2005
twitch did not exist until 2011
social streaming, streaming services did not exist
YouTube was new and crap, pretty sure they did not live stream any prior 2007+
phantom console was 15+ ahead of everyone
adsl+, had to import the DVD E3 Access


2021
twitch is yuge and allows now other content
YouTube is yuge and better, everyone is at home due ..
everyone now wants to share their stories, selfies, stream their shitty game-skills
streaming services everywhere, cloud gaming etc.
fiber inet

You know television and MTV existed in the mid '00s, right?