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[kingfey]

Every generation, consoles bring out new systems. Once a new system is out, the old system dies slowly, and devs won't earn money from it anymore.

But this is not the case for PC platform. You can play a 2000 game on pc, buy very old game, and still support the publisher, if they are still in the business.

What do you think gaffers?

Edit:
Mobile format is hard.

1: You can play very old games
2: You can play on your old pc.
3: you only need graphic card changes.
4: Publishers will still get money from the system.
5: Your games won't die out, until the store gets closed permanently.
6: Digital Pc rules, due to discounts.


Edit: People seem to think that you need specifically new graphics to play pc games. These graphic main job is to meet the game's requirements. It doesn't actually block you from accessing the game.
You can wait 10 years, and still able to access those games. You dont need to spend 1k to play these games.

Your new graphics can still play your old games. While the new console generation aren't able to play them. Since they get new stores system every generation.
Pc has 1 system generation, which is windows. As long as windows exist, those games will exist. How you access them, depends on you.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Well yes, but also no; you can't expect to play new stuff well, or at all, with old hardware.
I don't think people prefer to be on pc because they want to keep replaying Jedi Knight 2.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Only needs if you need to play games that demands it be "current gen".

"3: you only need graphic card changes."

But this is very wrong...

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

This ought to end the system wars once and for all.

 

[mansoor1980]

what are your PC specs OP?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Not sure what were you drinking when you posted, but PC gaming needs constant upgrades to keep up with tech.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

consoles have proved the virtue of fixed specs to target. Look no further than DriveClub in the rain. Show me a PC that can do that

 

[splattered]

Doesn't need next gen hardware, just an endless supply of money being thrown at it

 

[M1chl]

Drugs are bad

 

[mansoor1980]

 

[Orion2]

not really, RTX nvidia cards was the next gen of PC

 

[ViolentP]

PC gaming doesn't require defending.

 

[MaKTaiL]

 

[Bruno_Arrais85]

as a "pc gamer" I think you're wrong.

 

[a multicultural team of v]

what are your PC specs OP?

Expensive enough that they need additional emotional validation to enjoy their purchase.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Consoles' main weakness is that you are beholden to Microsoft, Nintendo, or Sony.

PC is a strong platform because you control it. You pick the hardware. You pick the OS. You don't need anyone's permission to publish a game.

Sure you could say Microsoft controls Windows and therefor your PC... but just the fact that you can always switch if they go too far keeps them in check, especially considering Valve's investments in Linux.

 

[killatopak]

What do you think minimum requirements are?

 

[RiccochetJ]

Only need graphics card changes? Well that's just blatantly false.

 

[MetalRain]

PC is strong because you don't leave your core audience behind every 7 years or so. You can have more variance in the willingnesss to pay for hardware, some invest the minimum and some tenfold, but still you can appeal to them all.

But PC is also weak because pricing is more competitive, piracy exists, many different hardware configurations are bad for development and testing, sometimes even for business.

 

[jroc74]

What do you think minimum requirements are?

Thank you. last time I checked they do go up, and vary from game to game.

This is a strange OP.

Only need graphics card changes? Well that's just blatantly false.

This too. Also.. wait til OP finds out what happens if the day NVMe ever becomes a minimum requirement.

 

[Allnamestakenlol]

Well yes, but also no; you can't expect to play new stuff well, or at all, with old hardware.
I don't think people prefer to be on pc because they want to keep replaying Jedi Knight 2.

Depends on the new stuff. Still lots of games being released that can be ran on a toaster. If you're only interested in AAA games with high production values, then sure.

 

[Guilty_AI]

You're almost correct. PC is popular because you're the one in control of your experience, so there are people who chose not to go next gen because they feel they don't need it. Naturally you might not be able to keep the same specs for 20 years unless you're going completely retro, so we need a dose of common sense

Not sure what were you drinking when you posted, but PC gaming needs constant upgrades to keep up with tech.

Not constant. If anything, as often as consoles changes.
People that bought a rtx 3070 along with other modern specs will be perfectly fine for the rest of the gen, just like how people that bought a gtx 970 back in 2014 were able to play all the games from the ps4/Xone gen at a good graphical quality.

But thats assuming you want to keep up with the tech in the first place.

 

[3liteDragon]

Yes it does.

 

[Graciaus]

That depends on what resolution and frame rate you want to play at. But old hardware can last for awhile if you are fine with 1080p.

PC is a better choice since it has a much bigger library and has mods. Almost all consoles can be emulated for a bonus.

 

[kingfey]

what are your PC specs OP?

My pc specs doesn't deny the games for me, or block the stores for me.

The main point of pc, is having all games that are released on the system to played on. New game or old game. Publishers don't need to make a new version specifically for pc2.

For consoles, you cant play Ps2/Og xbox on xseries/Ps5 without devs or console owners doing upgrade for the system. Xbox does its BC for its old consoles, and not every game on that console is available to play on the system. Same for PlayStation.

As a pc gamer, all I have to worry is my graphic card. Not can this game support my new current setup.

With graphics getting cheaper, you can still play the new games.

Console=need console owner approval
Pc= Only users have the power (money).

 

[mansoor1980]

My pc specs doesn't deny the games for me, or block the stores for me.

The main point of pc, is having all games that are released on the system to played on. New game or old game. Publishers don't need to make a new version specifically for pc2.

For consoles, you cant play Ps2/Og xbox on xseries/Ps5 without devs or console owners doing upgrade for the system. Xbox does its BC for its old consoles, and not every game on that console is available to play on the system. Same for PlayStation.

As a pc gamer, all I have to worry is my graphic card. Not can this game support my new current setup.

With graphics getting cheaper, you can still play the new games.

Console=need console owner approval
Pc= Only users have the power (money).

 

[John Bilbo]

PC is just pee,

 

[kingfey]

What do you think minimum requirements are?

Your wallet. And your desire. You aren't required to buy the new graphic to play these games. Your old games are still supported, even if you upgrade your pc.

Ps5 can't play ps1 games. But rtx 3070 can play 2000 games. Or even the oldest pc games.

You aren't blocked from buying these games. On xbox, only supported OG xbox/x360 titles can be bought.

 

[Monokrom]

Try using my old AMD Duron 800 on modern games then, no upgrade needed. Yeah right!

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[rofif]

Of course you can do anything on pc. Playing older games is the strongest part.
.. but I am over 30. I pc game my whole life and I've realized it is a fucking nightmare and I kinda hate it. Even if you have top hardware. Always problems, always tweaks, launchers and crashes.
While on 360, ps4 and now ps5 I just run games and play... on ps5 they even load way faster. Sure, lower fps or resolution but I don't care at some point. Game is what matters and I will not start playing until I will ocd the shit out of settings on pc and I don't have them on console

For example, I finished ff7r and ff xv recently(I have 3080 pc):
FF7 remake playthrough on ps5 - no loading, no crashes, everything works, controls are well suited, Great screenshot feature on ps5, JUST GAME.
FF XV on pc? random, unstable framerate even with gsync. Had to use RTSS to lock fps. Graphical glitches(grass disappears), game crashes (at least 3times after beating some bosses)... and 20 gfx options, some of which WORSEN the picture quality. So I have to test or research what each option does. DLSS in it is terrible and assets option adds super tall, dense grass that ruins original vision and some quests where you look for items on the ground.. VXAO does shit to improve ambient occlusion and costs 20 fps. Why do I have to know that ?!

I appreciate what pc does. I always had and always will have good pc and huuuuuge steam library.
But it is a fucking nightmare. You can never just sit down with a game and play. I always run rtss but I should not have to. Old games never work anymore just like that. new games are bugged to hell.
I always run af x16 but it breaks some games. Same with vsync. Very few to be honest nowadays.
Gta v with new rockstar launcher straight up don't work for me. Black screen. I gave up...
We tried playing Ascent coop (with xbox one controller) and menu was unusable with a controller due to glitch. Had to use mouse but OK.
Gamepass requires you to confirm game "purchase" but sometime this window is not on top but underneath invisible and you can't start.
Some games start minimized or stutter on a fucking nvme
HDR can sucks ass without system wide hgig integration and generalized solution.
My keyboard sometimes freezes last input due to x570 bug.
Now my picture viewer stopped working lol. Even reinstalling it with powershell didn't help.
hp g2 vr don't work sometimes on x570 due to usb bugs... and many, many more.
Music, movies - you need apps for that. HDR movies? boy get that madvr.. oh you don't know that ?!
On console I get system integration with games, screenshots and videos on a button. Nice music when I hover over games, background change. It feels good from start up.

All super easy problems with solutions I don't even think about. For me it's all OK but generally it is a terrible mess. The more you know and the better experience you have with computers, the more problems you start to notice.
Old games you say? sure... Timeshift don't work on 8 cores, gta 4 is a shit show of problems, old games for windows games? yeah... Securom drm games? oh boy. older games with eax audio? forget about it.

At some point, I would just prefer to whip out ps2 or 360 and just put in the disc with old game rather than play pc versions.

AGAIN - THESE ARE OVERDRAMATIZED EXAMPLES. I am generally fine and don't have too much issues but it just shows how it is.
At the same time I love pc gaming. 4k,120, all games ever released (potentially), best possible graphics, DLSS can look amazing (Death Stranding). It is an INCREDIBLE NIGHTMARE .

 

[kingfey]

Thank you. last time I checked they do go up, and vary from game to game.

This is a strange OP.



This too. Also.. wait til OP finds out what happens if the day NVMe ever becomes a minimum requirement.

Does these setup not allow you to buy the games? Are they not capable of playing the games that are released on pc.

Upgrading your pc system, doesn't change pc games for you. They are still there. Rtx 3070, or gt1050, you can play the same games.

Demon souls had to get remake for ps5. Last of us had to get remake for ps4. Ps4 can't play ps3 games, due to ps3 issues.

Pc doesn't have those issues.

 

[rofif]

Does these setup not allow you to buy the games? Are they not capable of playing the games that are released on pc.

Upgrading your pc system, doesn't change pc games for you. They are still there. Rtx 3070, or gt1050, you can play the same games.

Demon souls had to get remake for ps5. Last of us had to get remake for ps4. Ps4 can't play ps3 games, due to ps3 issues.

Pc doesn't have those issues.

You can get any older game (almost) to work with a bit of patience and knowledge. A bit more hassle than I wish to but You can.
Except The Darkness 2007. You still need 360 for that. Emulation is not there yet for this one

 

[rodrigolfp]

As a pc gamer, all I have to worry is my graphic card. Not can this game support my new current setup.

So you have like a Intel 386 + RTX 3080 + 640k of RAM on your rig and this is ok for today's games?

 

[Andrea23]

Simply put: the PC gaming ecosystem is the gaming knowledge par excellence and the main vector of video game culture, and precisely because it has 'memory'.

 

[MiguelItUp]

While I primarily play on PC and love it, I don't know what universe OP comes from where system upgrades aren't necessary and/or required. A person's system affects the amount of time it'll take until that next upgrade is required. Gonna go all in on a super system? Cool, you'll be covered for awhile. Can't afford it? Expect updates coming sooner than later, haha.

Like, for me, my system has carried me for a long while. But I know that I'm slowly approaching that ceiling. I see myself needing to hop on the new mobo, CPU, and GPU train in the next 2 years or so. Well, if I'm lucky and it's not sooner, haha.

 

[kingfey]

So you have like a Intel 386 + RTX 3080 + 640k of RAM on your rig and this is ok for today's games?

That is if you are graphic master race.

I can play fine with rx570, ryzen 3 3100. Prebuilt pc which is 500$.

I can play cyberpunk2077, and flight simulator. Too most pc hungry games.

 

[kingfey]

While I primarily play on PC and love it, I don't know what universe OP comes from where system upgrades aren't necessary and/or required. A person's system affects the amount of time it'll take until that next upgrade is required. Gonna go all in on a super system? Cool, you'll be covered for awhile. Can't afford it? Expect updates coming sooner than later, haha.

Like, for me, my system has carried me for a long while. But I know that I'm slowly approaching that ceiling. I see myself needing to hop on the new mobo, CPU, and GPU train in the next 2 years or so. Well, if I'm lucky and it's not sooner, haha.

If you upgrade your system, does it not allow you to play all pc games?
That is point of this discussion.

Upgrading your hardware, doesn't deny you all the pc games, that came to pc.

Pc is just 1 system. Where users can upgrade to match the graphic of the game. But you are still playing those games.

While console on other hand, have new store, and the system can't play the old system games. They only started now with ps4/x1 to ps5/xseries. Neither system can play the past hardware games.

 

[Flutta]

Embarrassing thread. Smh

 

[rodrigolfp]

That is if you are graphic master race.

I can play fine with rx570, ryzen 3 3100. Prebuilt pc which is 500$.

I can play cyberpunk2077, and flight simulator. Too most pc hungry games.

Assuming this is your first build ever, do you think you only need to change the VGA from now on? You will be able to play Flight Simulator 2035 with the same CPU, RAM, SSD???

 

[Rikkori]

Yes, the sense of permanence and actual ownership of your games is a great strength of PC gaming. On closed platforms you are always at the whim of the platform holder, which generally doesn't give a damn.

 

[Esppiral]

Really? I can't run anything that demands raytracing on my R9 380x....

 

[kingfey]

Assuming this is your first build ever, do you think you only need to change the VGA from now on? You will be able to play Flight Simulator 2035 with the same CPU, RAM, SSD???

These are external hardwares. It doesn't have much effect on the pc gaming.

The primary job for pc, is to preserve your games. No matter what external hardware you upgrade to, your games are ready for you to play.

In 2030, the graphic that comeout on this time, would play, the game that you bought in 2020, which come out in 2001.

You as the user, are the one who need to meet the graphic requirements. You will have time to get it. Once you get it. You will be able to play it.

You aren't blocked from accessing those games. Whatever game you bought, is still available on your pc. This cant be said for the consoles. You cant play your n64 games on your switch, without modding or Nintendo modding the system.

 

[Perrott]

I mean, I get OPs point: that you can run some of the best games of all time - Age of Empires II, Diablo 2, FTL: Faster Than Light, Into The Breach, Loop Hero, Super Hexagon and Nuclear Throne - on pretty much any PC that's out there, regardless of specs

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

OP makes it sound like he's figured this out just two days ago.

 

[Mr Moose]

I had to disable CPU cores to play Broken Sword 4.

New hardware is a new gen.
New Windows is a new gen for Windows.
New DirectX is a new gen for DirectX.
Do you want to be stuck playing old shit, never upgrading to new gen hardware/software?

 

[jroc74]

kingfey this topic is weird...

PC doesnt need next gen hardware...

OP is about playing old games...

I'm confused...

 

[kingfey]

OP makes it sound like he's figured this out just two days ago.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Every generation, consoles bring out new systems. Once a new system is out, the old system dies slowly, and devs won't earn money from it anymore.

But this is not the case for PC platform. You can play a 2000 game on pc, buy very old game, and still support the publisher, if they are still in the business.

What do you think gaffers?

Edit:
Mobile format is hard.

1: You can play very old games
2: You can play on your old pc.
3: you only need graphic card changes.
4: Publishers will still get money from the system.
5: Your games won't die out, until the store gets closed permanently.
6: Digital Pc rules, due to discounts.


Edit: People seem to think that you need specifically new graphics to play pc games. These graphic main job is to meet the game's requirements. It doesn't actually block you from accessing the game.
You can wait 10 years, and still able to access those games. You dont need to spend 1k to play these games.

Your new graphics can still play your old games. While the new console generation aren't able to play them. Since they get new stores system every generation.
Pc has 1 system generation, which is windows. As long as windows exist, those games will exist. How you access them, depends on you.

 

[kingfey]

kingfey this topic is weird...

PC doesnt need next gen hardware...

OP is about playing old games...

I'm confused...

Your new pc games are old, because they are on the system, which the old games are in.

I wanted to use 1 platform system. I was on work, when I made the post. Messed up badly, trying to build my points.

 

[Md Ray]

What a load of bullshit.