Comparing Sweden with the rest of the world (and especially the USA) is almost useless because of the differences in climate, population health, population culture, and nationwide access to healthcare. They should be compared to the rest of the Nordic Countries, which they are most similar to.While the world and europe, who have been on lockdowns on and off for close to 16 months and have 40-50% of their adult populations vaccinated, are having issues fighting delta, Sweden surprisingly isn't.
Surprisingly, burger media hasn't reported the sweden case in a long time.
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borgenproject.org
ourworldindata.org
| Country | Confirmed cases | Deaths | Case fatality rate | Deaths per 100,000 population |
| Sweden | 1,109,112 | 14,658 | 1.3% | 142.51 |
| Denmark | 329,180 | 2,557 | 0.8% | 43.95 |
| Finland | 115,305 | 997 | 0.9% | 18.06 |
| Norway | 142,895 | 807 | 0.6% | 15.09 |
| Iceland | 9,246 | 30 | 0.3% | 8.30 |
Did the UK not have delta then? I remember reading some variant was there. I'm not trying to argue the US is doing better, just trying to get a grip on how vaccinations might be mitigating the variant surge.
The UK was one of the first countries to experience the delta variant, due to high levels of travel between it and India.
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Can't imagine that the "anti terrorist" pushback approach is going to work all that well.
If anything, i think it kind off gives fuel to the most fringe circles to start fires.
The tweets are a clip from a national broadcast news organization who is quoting the department of fucking homeland security. They are linking anti covid restriction sentiment to terrorism. The US government is doing this, not some Twitter account. That is crazy talk.
Thread is moving a bit fast for me to keep up with the earlier posts on the subject, but since it is about Sweden I will add my point of view based on this post (and me living and working here of course).Comparing Sweden with the rest of the world (and especially the USA) is almost useless because of the differences in climate, population health, population culture, and nationwide access to healthcare. They should be compared to the rest of the Nordic Countries, which they are most similar to.
One of the reasons they didn't need mandatory lockdowns is because their population is relatively compliant.
Sweden kept its country relatively open during the coronavirus pandemic, but its elderly paid a price
Sweden did not go into lockdown, instead issuing recommendations about social distancing and working from home while allowing many schools and businesses to stay open.
Culturally, the rest of the world isn't as compliant as Sweden, especially the USA.
Sweden vs France: Contrasting COVID strategies and pandemic fatigue
Has Sweden's strategy served to protect its citizens from becoming tired of lockdown restrictions, while the thought of another lockdown leaves their European neighbours climbing the walls?
It's funny how some people might want to use Sweden as a paragon of freedom, but they key point of making this freedom work is that their citizens actually listen to authorities. Good luck trying that in the USA.
Sweden also has very good universal healthcare.
10 Facts About Healthcare in Sweden - The Borgen Project
Despite having the highest taxes in the world, the living conditions and healthcare in Sweden are among the best in the world.
Best Healthcare in the World 2024
worldpopulationreview.com
Sweden is rank 23 in the world for quality of healthcare, and the other Nordic countries are also ranked very high. By contrast, the USA is rank 37, and has a very expensive and inefficient for-profit healthcare system that prioritizes profit over actual health.
List of countries by obesity rate - Wikipedia
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Sweden has a relatively low obesity rate (20.6%), and is 97th on the world ranking list. By contrast, the USA ranks #12, with 36.2%.
But enough of that. What does the data show?
Key takeaways:
- Sweden's cumulative death rate (1,451 deaths per million people) is 3 times that of Denmark (441), who is in second place. In fact, it's about 1.6 times higher than all the rest of the countries combined.
- At the height of the pandemic, Sweden's deaths spiked way higher than any of the other countries.
- While Iceland has the highest daily case rate, it also has the highest vaccination rate and the lowest daily death rate.
- Sweden's "freedom" came at the cost of a lot of dead people, and they voluntarily locked themselves down when applicable due to a sense of shared community understanding. Let's not kid ourselves that the more belligerent countries would have had the same level of discipline.
Share of people who completed the initial COVID-19 vaccination protocol
Total number of people who received all doses prescribed by the initial vaccination protocol, divided by the total population of the country.
COVID-19 pandemic death rates by country - Wikipedia
Country Confirmed cases Deaths Case fatality rate Deaths per 100,000 population Sweden 1,109,112 14,658 1.3% 142.51 Denmark 329,180 2,557 0.8% 43.95 Finland 115,305 997 0.9% 18.06 Norway 142,895 807 0.6% 15.09 Iceland 9,246 30 0.3% 8.30
WTF is "burger media"?
With the false picture being painted that in Sweden life carried on as normal with just a few old people who were a year from death anyway dying. And they had herd immunity summer 2020.
NBC target audience will love this. They will welcome Patriot Act 2 Electric Boogaloo with open arms.
Well, I get that
A lot of this boils down to one idea-
The more people in my community get the vaccine, the less likely it will be for me as an individual to catch COVID, become hospitalized, or die as well as the less people in the community as a whole will catch COVID, become hospitalized, or die. As in, a 50% vaccinated community will probably have less suffering and death than a 0% vaccinated community, and a 90% vaccinated community will probably have less suffering and death than a 50% vaccinated community.
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Men_in_Boxes do you agree with this statement or do you disagree?
This is the post in question.
How about we take this step by step.
1:42 Steve presents a strawman that all the pushback he ever gets is people who say this is wrong, who are "blue-pilled", who can't argue any of the points of cite any counter-evidence. This is not true. There are real counterpoints to what he is saying, yet he declares victory against this strawman.
3:25 Steve talks about how all this started by listing anecdotal evidence. Anecdotal evidence of eyewitness testimony are weak forms of evidence. There is no way to conclude with certainty that the symptoms they describe are real or that they are caused by the vaccine.
13:12 They all agree that it's anecdotal, and Bret proceeds to give his own anecdotal second-person testimony, which is not strong evidence of vaccine harm. That's pretty much pointless. I could just as well bring in a bunch of other people who claim that they and everyone they know had no problems with it at all.
4:25 Steve claims, "If it's really a safe vaccine, then what I just saw is impossible". No. This is an unsubstantiated claim. What he just saw is totally possible if the vaccine is safe. Those symptoms could have been caused by something else. The wife could have done numerous other things that day that could have caused her symptoms.
5:05 Steve references Byram Bridle, and claims, that Bridle did a FOIA request about the vaccine safety studies and concluded that the vaccine isn't staying where it's supposed to be. "It goes to your brain, your heart . . ."
This is the Japanese paper he's referencing: https://www.pmda.go.jp/drugs/2021/P20210212001/672212000_30300AMX00231_I100_1.pdf
The table showing the data is on page 16.
First of all, this table is not analyzing the actual vaccine, nor the spike protein. What this experiment measured is the lipid nanoparticle that contained luciferase-encoding RNA for detection purposes . "Test Article: [ 3H]-Labelled LNP-mRNA formulation containing ALC-0315 and ALC-0159"
Second of all, if we assume that the results for luciferase-encoding RNA lipid nanoparticles will act exactly the same as lipid nanoparticles containing the actual vaccine mRNA, then we must consider this -
This study was done on rats and not humans.
The dosage given to the rat was 50 micrograms. This is 300 to 1000 times the dosage that the human vaccine has.
It goes to the brain and heart? Let's look at the table. After 48 hours the amount of lipid nanoparticles in the brain is 0.009% of the initial dose. In the heart, it's 0.030%. That's not a lot. Most of it is still in the injection site (24.6%) or in the liver (16.2%) where it's supposed to go because your liver is what breaks down and neutralizes foreign substances in your body. (like alcohol).
Furthermore, don't just look at the table. Look at the analysis given regarding these results (page 45) European version linked so that you have English:
I can only wonder why they choose to link the Japanese paper when the European study it is referencing is right there. Is it because there's none of the English within the Japanese paper that describes and interprets these results as safe? Or is it just incompetency? I have no idea.
Moving on...
5:46 Bret claims the spike protein is cytotoxic. The protein is dangerous, sure, when attached to the actual COVID19 virus. However, the spike protein on its own is not. The spike protein that is generated from the mRNA vaccine isn't even the same kind of protein and it is designed to be more benign. Bret just claims "we know it's toxic" but doesn't prove it. When you get sick with COVID 19, the virus is entering your lungs and airways and causing damage. The vaccine puts the spike protein generating mRNA into your muscle tissue, and as I already showed, it more or less stays put until it gets broken down naturally.
Science | AAAS
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6:15 Steve claims that one of the "scary" things is that the biodistribution peaks in the ovaries. I assume he's referencing that Japanese source again, but looking at that table shows this is not true.
Look at page 17 of the Japanese link. Ovaries. After 48 hours, the concentration is 0.095 % of the dose. How is that "peaking" in the ovaries????
6:42 "We now know the spike protein is very dangerous". Unsubstantiated claim. Yes it's dangerous when attached to COVID19, but its danger as a component to vaccine therapy is unsubstantiated.
8:19 They talk about spike proteins being cleaved off and roaming free, but they haven't shown how this is a problem.
10:30 Steve talks again about the cleaved off spike proteins going all around your body, but I've already shown how his analysis of the study that he is basing his opinion on is flawed. He then goes on to talk about anecdotal side effects, and uses loaded language like "victims" of the vaccine in order to elicit an emotional response even though there is no concrete proof that demonstrates a link between those things. It's just "The did one thing and some time later something else happened". That's not enough evidence to link those two events in a causal relationship.
I assume he's using this study which studied a whopping 13 people to demonstrate cleaved spike proteins in the blood. The problem is, there is no demonstration of the cytotoxicity of the modified spike protein, plus the concentrations that they are present are so incredibly small that you need a specialized super machine to even detect it.
Circulating Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) Vaccine Antigen Detected in the Plasma of mRNA-1273 Vaccine Recipients
Abstract. Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) proteins were measured in longitudinal plasma samples collected from 13 participantsacademic.oup.com
According to this study, they detected concentrations of spike protein at 68 picrograms per mL. 68 picograms is really tiny.
Furthermore, in the conflicts of interests section, you can see how they have interests tied to the maker of the machine whose specialty is being able to detect very very very small amounts of concentrations of things.
12:25 Steve again uses gruesome descriptive language to elicit an emotional response, even though there is no justification for linking a miscarriage with the vaccine. This hypothetical doctor would put down the most plausible explanation.
Going to Steve's website, the first piece of "evidence" is a chart listing VAERS deaths.
Should you get vaccinated?
Note that views expressed in this opinion article are the writer’s personal views and not necessarily those of TrialSitetrialsitenews.com
Right off the bat, he commits a correlation not causation error.
This explains it:
You asked, we answered: Does VAERS list deaths caused by COVID-19 vaccines?
Is it true that VAERS says 3,000 people have died from the COVID-19 vaccines?www.nebraskamed.com
Question:
Is it true that VAERS says 3,000 people have died from the COVID-19 vaccines?
Answered from infectious diseases expert James Lawler, MD, MPH:
No. Here's some context to explain the confusion.
After clinical trials, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is how the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) monitors vaccine safety. VAERS is intentionally set up to capture adverse events that are not thought to be caused by vaccines. It is the best tool we have to find what may be previously unrecognized and extraordinarily rare adverse events that may eventually be linked.
VAERS cannot and does not determine whether a vaccine caused something. The CDC states this clearly in their disclaimer: "A report to VAERS does not mean that the vaccine caused the adverse event, only that the adverse event occurred some time after vaccination." The disclaimer continues, "The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental or unverifiable."
Reporting even unrelated deaths
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires health care providers to report any serious adverse event (including death) that happens after a COVID-19 vaccination – whether or not the provider thinks there is any link. The CDC says, "Health care providers are required to report to VAERS the following adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination…regardless if the reporter thinks the vaccine caused the AE." AE stands for adverse event and includes death.
That means that if a vaccinated person drowns, gets in a car crash or is struck by lightning, their death must be reported to VAERS as an adverse event. Since we've vaccinated over 140 million people in the United States, many deaths will occur coincidentally after vaccination.
As of May 10, there have been 4,434 reports of death following a COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS. Doctors at the CDC review each reported death, looking at death certificates, autopsy and medical records. They have no reason to believe that COVID-19 vaccines cause death.
Depends on what you call "ineffective"
Thanks for your first person input! It's always great to get insight from boots on the ground.
This explains it:
You asked, we answered: Does VAERS list deaths caused by COVID-19 vaccines?
Is it true that VAERS says 3,000 people have died from the COVID-19 vaccines?
www.nebraskamed.com
Question:
Is it true that VAERS says 3,000 people have died from the COVID-19 vaccines?
Answered from infectious diseases expert James Lawler, MD, MPH:
No. Here's some context to explain the confusion.
After clinical trials, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is how the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) monitors vaccine safety. VAERS is intentionally set up to capture adverse events that are not thought to be caused by vaccines. It is the best tool we have to find what may be previously unrecognized and extraordinarily rare adverse events that may eventually be linked.
VAERS cannot and does not determine whether a vaccine caused something. The CDC states this clearly in their disclaimer: "A report to VAERS does not mean that the vaccine caused the adverse event, only that the adverse event occurred some time after vaccination." The disclaimer continues, "The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental or unverifiable."
Reporting even unrelated deaths
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires health care providers to report any serious adverse event (including death) that happens after a COVID-19 vaccination – whether or not the provider thinks there is any link. The CDC says, "Health care providers are required to report to VAERS the following adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination…regardless if the reporter thinks the vaccine caused the AE." AE stands for adverse event and includes death.
That means that if a vaccinated person drowns, gets in a car crash or is struck by lightning, their death must be reported to VAERS as an adverse event. Since we've vaccinated over 140 million people in the United States, many deaths will occur coincidentally after vaccination.
As of May 10, there have been 4,434 reports of death following a COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS. Doctors at the CDC review each reported death, looking at death certificates, autopsy and medical records. They have no reason to believe that COVID-19 vaccines cause death.
As i said "cloth masks". I agree surgical masks are good, they are the n95 masks.
Surgical masks are not the n95....anyway, some mask is better than no mask for the big particles.
COVID virus hitchhikes on aerosolized and larger droplets of water that can get stuck in the mask fabric. Even cloth mask fabrics can trap some droplets.
Your bitch ass would have died from cholera or dysentery a long time ago. Science is the reason there’s chlorine in your drinking water that you take for granted coming out of your tap on demand.
But there were 2 deaths from myocardial infarction (heart attack) in placebo and none in the vaccine cohort so why not consider getting the vaccine to prevent heart attacks?
Your heart is potentially much worse off from a COVID infection than any vaccine. This is well documented.
Thank you.
Keihart
kindly linked you the post. Do you find my rebuttal convincing or do you still have questions?Your heart is potentially much worse off from a COVID infection than any vaccine. This is well documented.
Heart Problems after COVID-19
Chest pain, shortness of breath and palpitations can persist after COVID-19. Are they heart related? A cardiologist provides perspective.www.hopkinsmedicine.org
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