I never said they deserve to be treated like sub-humans. I said they won't receive the same level of care because staff and resources can't handle it and more people are dying and suffering because of that. They caused this based on their own ignorance and pride. I understand why the medical staff is frustrated with this, they are the ones who have to pull double shifts, take on more patients and watch more of them die when they could have done something to prevent it in the first place.
The foundation of society rests on the idea that individuals may reasonably differ in their moral and political beliefs but are no less deserving of dignity and respect. That's how we are able to work together without descending into civil war, and I think this principle is more not less important in a medical emergency.
Yep. Roughly 50% of total deaths and probably even more hospital admissions are entirely preventable and only exist due to lifestyle choices. Should doctors let them die out of spite?
I’m sure it’s ok to make the same excuse when cops abuse suspects during crime waves. They’re just stressed, so it’s understandable.
Don't really want to go into this too deeply cause this shit stresses me out enough at clinic.
Because he has no actual argument and is desperate to paint anti vax morons as innocent victims.
You should see the blatant stuff they used to use. Check out this shit.
I am one of these “poor bastards”. Of course I’m sympathetic. However we are professionals. We care for every kind of asshole there is. Prisoners. Drug addicts. Drunk drivers who just killed someone. All the way down to your run-of-the-mill asshole who just won’t keep their oxygen on. Of course it’s reasonable to assume that sometimes people will let the job get to them. They won’t provide a professional level of care. It will happen.
it's a systematic problem for sure. nobody wants it to be this way
Why would I care what you believe? You’re the psycho advocating people to empathize with healthcare providers that abuse their patients.
I think it’s a perfect analogy as well and while you may feel sympathy for police when they go off the rails, I don't remember many people speaking up for empathizing with Derek Chauvin over the past year and the few that did were tarred as racists. And I actually don’t think there should be a lot of empathy for the guy. I also don’t think healthcare providers who mistreat their patients are worthy of it.
You have. Plenty of times. You're a stones throw away from Hitler and Stalin in some of your twisted "for the greater good" pontificating
nobody is abusing their patients and you know this. everyone is doing their best, and it's taking a toll on all of us. stop trying to play the victim, Christ
Derek chauvin is not exactly who I had in mind
Won’t someone please consider the feelings of anti vaxxers!? The same group of people who labeled doctors and nurses “the enemy” after covid hit and their lives mildly changed. Booohoooooo.
It’s all you need to know about the person you’re speaking to. They’re awful.Derek chauvin is not exactly who I had in mind
You've pretty much sanctioned medical staff not caring about patients who may have been anti-vax (and calling them "mouthbreathers" how very "othering" and "us vs. them" of you). But hey, I'm not surprised coming from you.
He gets really upset when anyone points out how he’s a psycho.
It's your "selective" empathy that makes that word meaningless coming from you. But again, no self-reflecting skills present within you. Your so-called "empathy" is as meaningless as your insights.Yeah, nah. You’ve got no evidence because it doesn’t exist.
But you and your friends feel free to keep calling me a psycho for
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feeling empathy towards overstretched medical staff and not anti-vaxxers
Hope he pulls through , he can get the same reaction from COVID, read about these since the start ..A update on my dad, still not doing ok.
Still in the hospital, and it is due to the Astra Zeneca vaccine, and, having a good immune system. Lungs are still filled with fluid from a reaction of the spike proteins, but the heart sack has cleared up, and has no new fluid build up.
But, the levels of drainage needed has plauteud, so, it is heading in the right direction.
What we are told is that the vaccine caused a major reaction from his immune system, a cytoxic shock, so it is his immunal response from the vaccine that caused his problems.
The positive is that the heart sack has cleared up, and the lung sack is producing less liquid to drain. But, it is still touch and go..
This month is the crayfish premiere season here in Sweden, where you have a huge nice crayfish party, this is this years picture from it, it is not fun, but we tried to enjoy.
Made plates for three people that are not there.
My dad is old, but it really feels to not have him here, and like I said earlier, it would suck if it was a vaccine that did him in. Not a single sick day in his life, born in 1941.
Caring about or caring for? There are tons of amazing doctors who don't give two shits about their patients. As long as they are doing their job of treating their illness they don't have to empathize or care, probably best if they don't.
not only that, but they had the foresight to ask you very nicely to get vaccinated, free of charge, to prevent exactly this from happening
We asked fat people to stop eating, smokers to stop smoking, and diabetics to take their insulin. We ask blood pressure patients to watch their salt, addicts to get treatment, and everyone to get their cancer screenings. People don’t listen all the time. The reason most people end up in the hospital is because they don’t listen to medical advice. To pretend that covid vaccination is somehow different than all these other behaviors is just nonsensical. That’s why you have morons in here twisting themselves into pretzels to make some kind of distinction between covid and all the other health consequences of foolish behavior.not only that, but they had the foresight to ask you very nicely to get vaccinated, free of charge, to prevent exactly this from happening
False equivalence. The general sentiment and philosophy is indeed similar but the effort and benefit are on completely different scales, quantitatively and temporally.
Good thing I'm not a nurse. You are still dodging what I said though. I said they don’t deserve to be treated like sub-humans but they will still receive inferior care because the hospitals are over capacity. That is a fact and now other patients are being denied regular care and eletive surgeries because of the waves of unvaccinated people being sent to the hospitals. What about those people? They deserved the elective surgeries to make their lives more comfortable with their medical conditions too, they suffer as well.
Your responses get dumber and dumber. Being fat doesn’t infect and murder the people around you.
You won't be considered for a lot of treatments if you aren't willing to make those changes. Lung transplant - not unless you quit smoking. Want bariatric surgery, lose some weight first. Want an insulin pump, you have to consistently take your blood glucose level 4 times a day before they will consider you.
But when you come in for critical (aka lifesaving) care, you’ll get it without hesitation. Which is what we are generally talking about with covid patients.
How many of those elective surgeries are necessary as a result of poor lifestyle decisions? Do we get to put them at the back of the line because they aren’t following doctor’s recommendations? Of course not. The medical system will do what it can. You related it to an unrestrained driver coming in after a car accident. Tell me how you think staff act differently when an unrestrained driver comes into the hospital from a restrained driver.
we aren’t talking about whether or not one is worse than the other. The conversation, to catch you up, is about whether people who are unvaccinated deserve to be treated poorly at hospitals. Whether we should empathize with healthcare professionals who treat patients differently based on their vaccination status.
I find it very entertaining that someone with the argumentative style and vocabulary of an eight year old child has the self confidence to call people stupid in 90% of their posts.
Yes we are. I'm addressing your key point here:
I saw the previous conversation, and I don't think unvaccinated people deserve to be treated poorly either. That point is separate from whether or not "making a distinction between covid and all the other health consequences" is "nonsensical".
What are some things that murder the people around us?
Making a distinction with regards to how healthcare professionals should view and treat these two patient populations. And fundamentally, there is no difference on an individual basis. The societal consequences of these various bad choices is a separate discussion from how we deal with people on a personal basis.
I said they won't get that same care because the unvaccinated are overrunning the hospitals, same with other patients who come in not related to covid. Do you pay attention to what I am posting? This has been communicated to us since the pandemic started AKA the whole reason we even had the first lockdown to relieve medical staff from COVID patients.
Awwww that’s cute.
Good god, do you guys all go to one specific site to get your horrendous analogies from?
Dude that is like 80% of people in the hospital on any given day.
Yea and those people don't overrun hospitals that compromise surgeries and treatments for other patients.
They are contributing to it now though. It’s not like hospitals are just full of covid. They have all the normal patients as well. The COPD patient who still smokes and doesn’t take his inhalers. The diabetic who won’t take his insulin and eats too much sugar. The CHF patient who hasn’t been taking their lasix. The dialysis patient who decided not to show up for 3 weeks. They’re all there too. Right along side the ODs and drunk drivers and people who fell off ladders they shouldn’t have been on.
