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[Banjo64]

They should just have changed the RRP of PS4 and PS5 games to £64.99 (rather than £59.99 and £69.99) and that price should give you both copies.

 

[Mr.ODST]

GAF you are so disappointing. At the same time you laugh at Sony for that 'we believe in generations' meme, you refuse the pay them for their efforts on 'next gen' consoles.

You are nothing more than entitle kids wating everything for free because for some reason you think you deserve it.

Do you really think 'voting with your wallet' and make sony dont give a shit about next gen enhacements is the way to go?

You are gonna have a very rough time when you finally grow up lmao

Imagine a grown adult writing this ... fucking hell what a weapon

 

[Jose92]

GAF you are so disappointing. At the same time you laugh at Sony for that 'we believe in generations' meme, you refuse the pay them for their efforts on 'next gen' consoles.

You are nothing more than entitle kids wating everything for free because for some reason you think you deserve it.

Do you really think 'voting with your wallet' and make sony dont give a shit about next gen enhacements is the way to go?

You are gonna have a very rough time when you finally grow up lmao

Man/Women what you saying is so deluded! The cross gen games are literally the same as the PS4 games but with some settings cracked up. Imagine paying $10 for the ability To go from medium setting to high or extreme on pc, that is insanity. It is the same game it is not even a remaster.

 

[Three]

Edit: double post

 

[rofif]

I really don't understand where the issue is (aside from ps5 games being fucking 90 usd in Poland).
You want ps5 version? buy the fucking ps5 version or 10$ upgrade. what's the big deal.

 

[Three]

I'd say this is whataboutism but what you said wasn't even true

How is it a whataboutism? Its a direct answer to the suggestion that I've bolded.
Somebody said

"Perhaps Xbox is recouping costs other ways"

That is how they get the extra cash. How is it also not true? Battle pass, Car pass and microtransactions exist in all those

 

[Banjo64]

I really don't understand where the issue is (aside from ps5 games being fucking 90 usd in Poland).
You want ps5 version? buy the fucking ps5 version or 10$ upgrade. what's the big deal.

You can’t pay £10/€/$ to upgrade Horizon according to the blog. That’s the point. There is no upgrade path.

If you buy the PS4 version first for £59.99, then buy a PS5 later, you need to buy the whole game again for the PS5 at £69.99.

The fact that even the people defending PS here can’t seem to grasp what the issue is shows how confusing it is.

 

[rofif]

You can’t pay £10/€/$ to upgrade Horizon according to the blog. That’s the point. There is no upgrade path.

If you buy the PS4 version first for £59.99, then buy a PS5 later, you need to buy the whole game again for the PS5 at £69.99.

The fact that even the people defending PS here can’t seem to grasp what the issue is shows how confusing it is.

I see. That's much worse then.
But still - ps5 is "out" for a year and this is not a legacy title.
The only people who I expect to buy a ps4 version are these casuals who don't care. They will buy it on ps4 and never play it again.
All people angry about this, will buy ps5 version on ps5 lol

 

[CuNi]

I see. That's much worse then.
But still - ps5 is "out" for a year and this is not a legacy title.
The only people who I expect to buy a ps4 version are these casuals who don't care. They will buy it on ps4 and never play it again.
All people angry about this, will buy ps5 version on ps5 lol

Sure i also like to buy or pre order games for a console that i might or might not have by the time they release because it's constantly sold out.

What Logik is that wtf.

 

[RobRSG]

Well, “Consumer Friendly” it is not.

 

[rofif]

Sure i also like to buy or pre order games for a console that i might or might not have by the time they release because it's constantly sold out.

What Logik is that wtf.

why would you buy a game for a console you don't own? Where did you read that in my post?
Be fucking patient and buy ps5 game when you get a ps5

 

[CuNi]

why would you buy a game for a console you don't own? Where did you read that in my post?
Be fucking patient and buy ps5 game when you get a ps5

So by your logic, when I have a ps4 and am trying to get a ps5, I should not buy the game for ps4 because I plan on getting a ps5 and then buy the game whenever that miracle happens. Man, you either already have a PS5 then or a very empty gaming library.

 

[KaiserBecks]

How is it a whataboutism? Its a direct answer to the suggestion that I've bolded.
Somebody said

"Perhaps Xbox is recouping costs other ways"

That is how they get the extra cash. How is it also not true? Battle pass, Car pass and microtransactions exist in all those

DLC exists for GoT, yet the Upgrade still costs money, sooooo….

 

[rofif]

So by your logic, when I have a ps4 and am trying to get a ps5, I should not buy the game for ps4 because I plan on getting a ps5 and then buy the game whenever that miracle happens. Man, you either already have a PS5 then or a very empty gaming library.

YEAH.
Why play the game now on inferior hardware if you REALLY PLAN to replay it when you get a ps5 ?!
Just wait till you get a ps5 and get the game then.

And if You could not secure a ps5 until now... that's shitty. I ordered on launch and got it in january. for msrp

 

[xrnzaaas]

I would definitely wait with the purchase if I still had only a PS4, it's even more scummy to not offer a paid upgrade path and potentially expect people to buy the game again if they want the full next-gen experience.

 

[Three]

DLC exists for GoT, yet the Upgrade still costs money, sooooo….

I'm not talking about expansions like the island for GoT or Hivebusters for Gears. I'm talking proper f2p style microtransactions like this

Or where you buy a single plane or car for $10.

 

[DragonNCM]

Can I make a suggestion to those unhappy with the upgrade path?

Buy the PS4 version (better yet, buy it used after a week or whatever). Beat the game. Sell the PS4 version for almost what you paid for it.
Then, when you actually get a PS5 and want to replay the game, buy it again when it's cheaper.

I really don't understand why people don't just do this. There is no PS4 digital. You're just paying to have a thing sat in a library losing value by the day. Am I missing something?

How about sell PS5 for 800$ get game for my PS4 PRO for 60$ , play it resell it for 50$ & then after 1 year get PS5 again & game GOTY for 60$ or less ? PROFIT

 

[supernova8]

More annoyed with them changing policy after Jim Ryan seemed to say it would be free. Wouldn't have been that bad if they were just open about it from the start.

 

[Rykan]

Ok so we're doing this?

Well we're doing this in the sense that you've made an actual attempt, which I applaud.

You said....


and listed these things....


If all equal yes, but this is subject to the quality of first party games. Also isn't 'first party content' game offerings? Either way it doesn't feel like a feature set/ service that comes with the system, seems more like a business decision that could change at any minute if MS decided to.

The quality of the game is completely subjective. The price point is not. The fact remains that Series X offers its first party content at 10$ less than Sony does. It's a huge benefit of the system

Agreed, totally better than nothing in this regard which is Sony's approach, but this is not system level, this is a business decision. Unless maybe your definition of the system actually extends to the Xbox ecosystem, in which case then yes.

Of course it extends to the Xbox ecosystem because you get access to it when you purchase the system. But I'm glad to read you're willing to agree with this.

Sometimes things go wrong with XB cloud saves and there is seemingly no way to go into the cloud saves and manage them. You have to keep deleting local saves on one device and restarting and closing games on another to hope that the magic cloud system picks up and handles the right version. Granted this is very rare, but it has happened a few times for me on my son's Minecraft saves and it is infuriating. So again this is subjective.

I have no idea what this bug is or how it works but I've also ran into bugs with Playstations cloud saves in that half of my PS4 games weren't actually uploaded despite being set to auto upload. Bugs happen and it's weird to disqualify an entire argument for it, especially considering its rarity. Trying to argue that Playstation's requirement to have every game develop its own save transfer system and requiring the user to download two versions of the same game just to transfer a save file as opposed to Xbox's version to literally not having to do any of that is a matter of "subjective opinion" because you ran into a bug this one time is ridiculous.

Quick resume is currently a buggy mess. They are better off taking this out until it works in a reliable manner. Nothing more infuriating than thinking you can rely on it then randomly for some games it reboots. When it works it is great, but it doesn't always, so may as well not (in my opinion).

Agreed that it's not working as well as it should. Playstation 5 however has no equivalent to it.

Xcloud is limited to playing a subset of games that are on Gamepass. PS Now offers more games available to stream and you can continue from the same save. Xcloud offers more device support. It is subjective as to which is better depending on the use case of the user.

Xcloud's benefit of having more device support is objectively a much bigger deal than PSNow's offering of old PS3 games in crappy quality. The whole point of cloud gaming is being able to access your games from a wider amount of places. You've already mentioned "More device support" but it's important to emphasize just how much better this device support is. Xcloud allows you to play games on PC's, Phones, Tablets and Xbox One. PSnow only allows for PC and PS4 and correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm also fairly sure it only streams the PS4 version of games. While I typically don't subscribe that "A is more popular than B, so that means A is better", the fact that so many more people subscrible to Gamepass compared to PSnow despite the large PS4 base and the much lower fee, does say something about its quality. You're again comparing a minor benefit to a major benefit and then argue its "All subjective". It isn't.

This may vary from user to user, both my XSX and PS5 are whisper quiet. I'm not aware of any large scale studies that show noise emitted by either console for any reason is greater that the other.

One google search on youtube or google of PS5 coil whine and you'll learn soon enough that there's a widespread issue with the PS5. My PS5 is the loudest system i've owned while playing PS5 games on it

OK I'll bite....

PS5 is objectively better
- Wifi 6 support
- 4x USB ports (3x 10Gbps support)
- Internal SSD Speed
- OS User interface in 4K (Xbox will soon I guess)

PS5 is subjectively better (but by your definition objectively)
- Support for Dualsense controller (as you mentioned)
- No need to ever buy batteries or charging packs for controllers
- Manual cloud save storage management (this for me is subjectively better for me)
- Remote play of PS5 games (on PS4 consoles)
- Share play
- Extension of next gen storage up to 4TB using standard off the shelf SSD technologies
- supports PSVR
- Ability to share multiple screenshots to Twitter in a single post from the OS
- Game hints
- Ability to earn trophies
- cross buy (open to publishers)
- separate SKUs for next gen titles (subjectively better for me as I get a new trophy list)

While I certainly, again, applaud you for an actual attempt, the result falls flat because most of the examples you've listed have low value, have Xbox equivalent or, funny enough, actually are subjective. It's also important to point out that just because something is subjectively better suited for you, that doesn't mean that it's not objectively worse. Those are not two exclusive roads. No need to buy batteries or charging packs is nice but has the downside that if the battery dies or wears down, you'll have to buy an entirely new controller where as with the Xbox, you can just buy a new charging pack. In fact, chances are you already have a charging pack anyway.

Cloud saves i've already addressed, this is objectively better on series X.

Playstation VR is great, no argument there.
Cross buy is better on series X for reasons I probably don't even have to mention considering the title of this thread.
SSD, this is a win for PS5 but a minor one. It offers more choice at the expense of usability. It's objectively better but to what extend is up for debate.
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Everything else are throw away arguments intended to bloat the list with minor conveniences. Features like "Game hints" or "Share play" do not compare to features such as 3 generations of backwards compatibility with increased enhancements like resolution and framerate and you know this. Everyone knows this. You first accuse me of cherry picking arguments and yet you're here listing features like "Seperate SKU's for next gen so I could in theory play through the entire game again twice with a worse version for more trophies". As if that is not cherry picking? Come on now.

 

[Banjo64]

How is it a whataboutism? Its a direct answer to the suggestion that I've bolded.
Somebody said

"Perhaps Xbox is recouping costs other ways"

That is how they get the extra cash. How is it also not true? Battle pass, Car pass and microtransactions exist in all those

Looked like you were trying to sell it as MS is selling incomplete games and then charging extra for the complete version, which isn’t the case. It’s perfectly normal for online games to have MTX for cosmetics, like The Last of Us and Uncharted having literally hundreds (including pay to win weapons).

 

[Bojanglez]

Well we're doing this in the sense that you've made an actual attempt, which I applaud.


The quality of the game is completely subjective. The price point is not. The fact remains that Series X offers its first party content at 10$ less than Sony does. It's a huge benefit of the system

Of course it extends to the Xbox ecosystem because you get access to it when you purchase the system. But I'm glad to read you're willing to agree with this.

I have no idea what this bug is or how it works but I've also ran into bugs with Playstations cloud saves in that half of my PS4 games weren't actually uploaded despite being set to auto upload. Bugs happen and it's weird to disqualify an entire argument for it, especially considering its rarity. Trying to argue that Playstation's requirement to have every game develop its own save transfer system and requiring the user to download two versions of the same game just to transfer a save file as opposed to Xbox's version to literally not having to do any of that is a matter of "subjective opinion" because you ran into a bug this one time is ridiculous.

Agreed that it's not working as well as it should. Playstation 5 however has no equivalent to it.

Xcloud's benefit of having more device support is objectively a much bigger deal than PSNow's offering of old PS3 games in crappy quality. The whole point of cloud gaming is being able to access your games from a wider amount of places. You've already mentioned "More device support" but it's important to emphasize just how much better this device support is. Xcloud allows you to play games on PC's, Phones, Tablets and Xbox One. PSnow only allows for PC and PS4 and correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm also fairly sure it only streams the PS4 version of games. While I typically don't subscribe that "A is more popular than B, so that means A is better", the fact that so many more people subscrible to Gamepass compared to PSnow despite the large PS4 base and the much lower fee, does say something about its quality. You're again comparing a minor benefit to a major benefit and then argue its "All subjective". It isn't.

One google search on youtube or google of PS5 coil whine and you'll learn soon enough that there's a widespread issue with the PS5. My PS5 is the loudest system i've owned while playing PS5 games on it

While I certainly, again, applaud you for an actual attempt, the result falls flat because most of the examples you've listed have low value, have Xbox equivalent or, funny enough, actually are subjective. It's also important to point out that just because something is subjectively better suited for you, that doesn't mean that it's not objectively worse. Those are not two exclusive roads. No need to buy batteries or charging packs is nice but has the downside that if the battery dies or wears down, you'll have to buy an entirely new controller where as with the Xbox, you can just buy a new charging pack. In fact, chances are you already have a charging pack anyway.

Cloud saves i've already addressed, this is objectively better on series X.

Playstation VR is great, no argument there.
Cross buy is better on series X for reasons I probably don't even have to mention considering the title of this thread.
SSD, this is a win for PS5 but a minor one. It offers more choice at the expense of usability. It's objectively better but to what extend is up for debate.
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Everything else are throw away arguments intended to bloat the list with minor conveniences. Features like "Game hints" or "Share play" do not compare to features such as 3 generations of backwards compatibility with increased enhancements like resolution and framerate and you know this. Everyone knows this. You first accuse me of cherry picking arguments and yet you're here listing features like "Seperate SKU's for next gen so I could in theory play through the entire game again twice with a worse version for more trophies". As if that is not cherry picking? Come on now.

You are protecting your own value system into these points I've made, which is my whole point. You may dismiss something as low value that others may value highly.

You picked up on my cherry picking of some questionable/subjective advantages, again this is the point. Some people may value something as niche as share play more than backwards compatibility.

Anyway back on topic. Sony should provide a simple upgrade path for standard PS4 edition to the standard PS5 edition for $10, that would make it fair and reasonable (in my opinion). Not doing so on a supply constrained console is actually possibly counter productive as some people may just not bother buying it and by the time they get a PS5 (if they get one) will just get it cheaper.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

It's very sad that Sony are moving away from the way they handled their business last generation, and are returning to the bad habits of the past. You'd have thought they would have learned a valuable lesson, but it appears not. As someone else has said - vote with your wallet. I'll be picking this game up now second hand.

By the time the PS5 is available to actually buy on the shelf for plebs like me it'll be fourth hand, with jam marks on and Timmys scribbles.

 

[cormack12]

You can’t pay £10/€/$ to upgrade Horizon according to the blog. That’s the point. There is no upgrade path.

If you buy the PS4 version first for £59.99, then buy a PS5 later, you need to buy the whole game again for the PS5 at £69.99.

The fact that even the people defending PS here can’t seem to grasp what the issue is shows how confusing it is.

I don't think people don't get the issue, I think there are a few perspectives.

1. You buy the PS4 game now. Then in a year you get a PS5. At that point you can't simply pay £10/£5 to simply 'upgrade'. You have to pay £70 for the PS5 version. I think we can all agree this is a poor decision as we did for Control.
2. The cross gen bundle is being tied to a premium edition instead of just a standard edition. If they did this though, it would retail at £70 - which is the price of the standard PS5 version anyway...
3. If you know you are going to get a PS5 but you can't get one, you can buy the game now to play on your PS4. You can also invest in a premium edition now to offset the cost of needing to purchase the PS5 version for an extra £20. It's difficult to see a position where someone can drop £450 on a new console and complain about £20 difference to future proof their purchase.
4. This only really applies to impatient people who can't wait until they get a PS5. There's no multiplayer component meta/progress for example.
5. Is it as good as smart delivery? No.

Plus we don't know what the future has in store for things like the PS+ collection where PS4 versions were put into it for free - that would qualify you for the PS5 edition or you'd end up with the same mess that was FFVII.

How you view this issue will depend on which side of the console ecosystem you're invested in ultimately.

 

[Three]

Looked like you were trying to sell it as MS is selling incomplete games and then charging extra for the complete version, which isn’t the case. It’s perfectly normal for online games to have MTX for cosmetics, like The Last of Us and Uncharted having literally hundreds (including pay to win weapons).

Notice the games in the comparison. Uncharted and Last of Us that have microtransactions aren't priced at $70 are they now. You can buy Uncharted 4 and Last of Us for about £8. Microtransactions or not.

I guess that depends on your perspective of a complete game. I said pieces of a game. selling cars, planes and airports for $10 each and $50 for some iron in gears or req packs in halo are somehow considered ok in that pic.
You have Gears tactics there for $60 instead of the actual Gears. Gears tactics is akin to a game like Alienation which would have usually cost $30 or £16 on release in the past.

 

[Banjo64]

Notice the games in the comparison. Uncharted and Last of Us that have microtransactions aren't priced at $70 are they now. You can buy Uncharted 4 and Last of Us for about £8. Microtransactions or not.

I guess that depends on your perspective of a complete game. I said pieces of a game. selling cars, planes and airports for $5, $10 each and $50 for some iron in gears or req packs in halo are somehow considered ok in that pic.
You have Gears tactics there for $60 instead of the actual Gears. Gears tactics is akin to a game like Alienation which would have usually cost $30 or £16 on release in the past.

Yes Uncharted and The Last of Us 5 years plus from release now cost £8, I bought them at RRP though, and they were still filled with MTX at launch.

You don’t need to buy £50 worth of Iron in Gears, you can get by completely without spending anything on cosmetics (you also have a free currency that you can buy most cosmetics with). I have also nearly unlocked everything in Halo 5, how many Req packs is that? Hundreds and hundreds, never spend a penny on MTX because again, there is a free currency that is plentiful. Guess what, there’s no way to get the pay to win weapons in Uncharted and TLoU without spending real life cash.

OK? Replace Gears Tactics with Psychonauts 2 then, and then replace Halo with Starfield next year, and then replace XYZ with Fable etc.

 

[LordBlodgett]

 

[j0hnnix]

 

[Hoppa]

Miles and Ghost of Tsushimas upgrade 'paths' were unnecessarily convoluted and now there's just no path at all lol and I bet this is how they planned to release God of War too


Also realistically if you're buying the PS4 version now for $60 and picking up a PS5 a year from now Horizon will most likely be at the bottom of a bargain bin or at least heavily discounted by then. STILL SHITTY but something to note.

 

[phil_t98]

So anyone today on PS4 buying the standard edition, will need to pay and extra $30 when they are ready to go PS5. Holy monkey balls, that’s even worse than GOT as Horizon won’t give you dlc.

Or am I missing something?

Edit: I am missing something, it’s $20 to go ultimate - assuming they’ll allow it and not force an entire repurchase.

Just poor from a company not thinking of when people finally upgrade they have to re buy to see the next gen version. This probably would be better if stock was more readily available

 

[winjer]

Edition	Disc	PS4	PS5	Playable on PS5	Upgradable to PS5	Digital Soundtrack	Digital Art Book	Sunhawk Digital Comic Book	Carja Behemoth and Nora Thunder Outfits & Weapons	Nora Legacy Outfit & Spear	Machine Strike Piece	In-game Resources Pack	Mini Art Book	SteelBook Display Case	Tremortusk and Aloy statue	Exclusive Photo Mode Extras	Replica Focus and Stand	Art Print Cards	Physical Strike Pieces	Canvas Map
Standard PS4 (Digital)		Yes		Yes	No (see below)
Standard PS5 (Digital)			Yes	[1]	[1]
Digital Deluxe Edition		Both	Both	[1]	[1]	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes
Special Edition	Yes	Either	Either				Yes			Yes
Collector's Edition		Both	Both	[1]	[1]	Yes		Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes (no disc; has voucher)	Yes	Yes
Regalla Edition		Both	Both	[1]	[1]	Yes		Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes (no disc; has voucher)	Yes, Regalla-themed	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes

Notes:

• [1] = Not applicable; the PS5 edition is granted
• Empty cell = Not included
• Playable on PS5 and Upgradable to PS5 = To make it even more confusing, Sony and Guerrilla have stated both "Yes, you can play the PS4™ version of Horizon Forbidden West on your PS5™ console" but also "To access both the PS4 and PS5 versions of Horizon Forbidden West, you need to purchase the Digital Deluxe, Collector’s, or Regalla Editions. Dual entitlement does not apply to the Standard and Special Editions." Please see the Horizon Forbidden West support page here.
  I assume what this means is: you can play the PS4 edition (disc or digital) on the PS5, but it won't have any of the improvements from the PS5 game. It'll just be 'the' PS4 game on the PS5.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Edition	Disc	PS4	PS5	Playable on PS5	Upgradable to PS5	Digital Soundtrack	Digital Art Book	Sunhawk Digital Comic Book	Carja Behemoth and Nora Thunder Outfits & Weapons	Nora Legacy Outfit & Spear	Machine Strike Piece	In-game Resources Pack	Mini Art Book	SteelBook Display Case	Tremortusk and Aloy statue	Exclusive Photo Mode Extras	Replica Focus and Stand	Art Print Cards	Physical Strike Pieces	Canvas Map
Standard PS4 (Digital)		Yes		Yes	No (see below)
Standard PS5 (Digital)			Yes	[1]	[1]
Digital Deluxe Edition		Both	Both	[1]	[1]	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes
Special Edition	Yes	Either	Either				Yes			Yes
Collector's Edition		Both	Both	[1]	[1]	Yes		Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes (no disc; has voucher)	Yes	Yes
Regalla Edition		Both	Both	[1]	[1]	Yes		Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes (no disc; has voucher)	Yes, Regalla-themed	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes

Notes:

• [1] = Not applicable; the PS5 edition is granted
• Empty cell = Not included
• Playable on PS5 and Upgradable to PS5 = To make it even more confusing, Sony and Guerrilla have stated both "Yes, you can play the PS4™ version of Horizon Forbidden West on your PS5™ console" but also "To access both the PS4 and PS5 versions of Horizon Forbidden West, you need to purchase the Digital Deluxe, Collector’s, or Regalla Editions. Dual entitlement does not apply to the Standard and Special Editions." Please see the Horizon Forbidden West support page here.
  I assume what this means is: you can play the PS4 edition (disc or digital) on the PS5, but it won't have any of the improvements from the PS5 game. It'll just be 'the' PS4 game on the PS5.

How awful is your company that you need fucking graphs to sell a computer game

 

[Banjo64]

Edition	Disc	PS4	PS5	Playable on PS5	Upgradable to PS5	Digital Soundtrack	Digital Art Book	Sunhawk Digital Comic Book	Carja Behemoth and Nora Thunder Outfits & Weapons	Nora Legacy Outfit & Spear	Machine Strike Piece	In-game Resources Pack	Mini Art Book	SteelBook Display Case	Tremortusk and Aloy statue	Exclusive Photo Mode Extras	Replica Focus and Stand	Art Print Cards	Physical Strike Pieces	Canvas Map
Standard PS4 (Digital)		Yes		Yes	No (see below)
Standard PS5 (Digital)			Yes	[1]	[1]
Digital Deluxe Edition		Both	Both	[1]	[1]	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes
Special Edition	Yes	Either	Either				Yes			Yes
Collector's Edition		Both	Both	[1]	[1]	Yes		Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes (no disc; has voucher)	Yes	Yes
Regalla Edition		Both	Both	[1]	[1]	Yes		Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes (no disc; has voucher)	Yes, Regalla-themed	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes

Notes:

• [1] = Not applicable; the PS5 edition is granted
• Empty cell = Not included
• Playable on PS5 and Upgradable to PS5 = To make it even more confusing, Sony and Guerrilla have stated both "Yes, you can play the PS4™ version of Horizon Forbidden West on your PS5™ console" but also "To access both the PS4 and PS5 versions of Horizon Forbidden West, you need to purchase the Digital Deluxe, Collector’s, or Regalla Editions. Dual entitlement does not apply to the Standard and Special Editions." Please see the Horizon Forbidden West support page here.
  I assume what this means is: you can play the PS4 edition (disc or digital) on the PS5, but it won't have any of the improvements from the PS5 game. It'll just be 'the' PS4 game on the PS5.

That’s not an official Sony table is it?

 

[Three]

Yes Uncharted and The Last of Us 5 years plus from release now cost £8, I bought them at RRP though, and they were still filled with MTX at launch.

You don’t need to buy £50 worth of Iron in Gears, you can get by completely without spending anything on cosmetics (you also have a free currency that you can buy most cosmetics with). I have also nearly unlocked everything in Halo 5, how many Req packs is that? Hundreds and hundreds, never spend a penny on MTX because again, there is a free currency that is plentiful. Guess what, there’s no way to get the pay to win weapons in Uncharted and TLoU without spending real life cash.

OK? Replace Gears Tactics with Psychonauts 2 then, and then replace Halo with Starfield next year, and then replace XYZ with Fable etc.

Yes at launch more than 5 years ago they were the same price as other games and not 70 so what do they have to do with this $70 meme?

You replace Gears Tactics with Psychonauts 2. Why? $60 for Psychonauts 2 and it isn't even a big budget game. A game which would have usually been $30 anyway. How much was Psychonauts 1 on release you think? It was actually less than $30. The other games you replaced aren't even out. They have no price and have no confirmed game model (ie would they have microtransactions or not). Bethesda being Bethesda, the masterminds of microtransactions with that initial horse armour, do you honestly think they won't though?

 

[winjer]

That’s not an official Sony table is it?

No.
It's a compilation made by a user on reddit.
But seems to be accurate.

 

[reksveks]

Stupid table

Is this from an official page? It's kinda reminding me of the weird and confusing release of Anthem

 

[Banjo64]

Yes at launch more than 5 years ago they were the same price as other games and not 70 so what do they have to do with this $70 meme?

You replace Gears Tactics with Psychonauts 2. Why? $60 for Psychonauts 2 and it isn't even a big budget game. A game which would have usually been $30 anyway. How much was Psychonauts 1 on release you think? It was actually less than $30. The other games aren't even out have no price and have no confirmed game model (ie would they have microtransactions or not). Bethesda being Bethesda the masterminds of microtransactions with that initial horse armour do you honestly think they won't though?

 

[Forsythia]

How awful is your company that you need fucking graphs to sell a computer game

Reminds me of all the Ubisoft games with their 10+ editions and pre-order bonuses.

 

[Three]

So you have nothing to reply with? What's the difference between Gears Tactics and Psychonauts 2?

 

[reksveks]

Can I buy mtx in Psychonauts 2?

P.s. Microsoft and Sony want their own versions of Roblox because it creates a creator economy that give them 30% of revenue with very little ongoing costs. Its not evil and its effectively the same as getting devs to create games for your platform. That's flight simulator. Also its all optional.

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[Banjo64]

So you have nothing to reply with? What's the difference between Gears Tactics and Psychonauts 2?

I am struggling to keep up with your logic mate. I’m not allowed to talk about Uncharted or TLoU because they’re old, but you’re allowed to talk about Halo 5 and Gears 5. Psychonauts 2 is a small AA low budget game, I don’t know how you’re coming to that conclusion, as it’s longer than R&C Rift in Time.

The 30k people on Reddit are all morons, only big brains like you can understand Sony’s pricing strategy.

 

[fermcr]

Sony knows their fans will pay. They are like a religious cult... what Sony says, the fans follow.

 

[Three]

I am struggling to keep up with your logic mate. I’m not allowed to talk about Uncharted or TLoU because they’re old, but you’re allowed to talk about Halo 5 and Gears 5. Psychonauts 2 is a small AA low budget game, I don’t know how you’re coming to that conclusion, as it’s longer than R&C Rift in Time.

The 30k people on Reddit are all morons, only big brains like you can understand Sony’s pricing strategy.

You're allowed to talk about any game you like but how would talking about games that don't follow the $70 pricing model in the meme but the exact same pricing model as the games you're saying are ok i.e $60 + microtransactions be relevant other than doing an actual whataboutism which I don't think you or the other guy know the definition of.

Returnal I would agree with being a low budget game they are charging $70 for. R&C no, that's not a small budget game. Game length is not a reflection of budget. The Order 1886 is a prime example.

The games in the actual image though are daft. The big budget single player games Spiderman, Horizon Forbidden West, and Ghost Of Tsushima are not unreasonably priced considering their model.

 

[Hosam6xavi]

Why not ?

People will pay and defend sony BS practice as we can see here

 

[sublimit]

I only have a PS4 (for now) and i was never going to buy the PS4 version. Why buy an inferior version when there will be a better one released as well? Same goes for every other crossgen game regardless if there's a free update or not. I can understand buying an indie or a turn based game for old gen but demanding games like Horizon will obviously suffer one way or the other on the old systems.

I have tons of games to play so i can wait until i get a PS5.

 

[ZywyPL]

Can I buy mtx in Psychonauts 2?

P.s. Microsoft and Sony want their own versions of Roblox because it creates a creator economy that give them 30% of revenue with very little ongoing costs. Its not evil and its effectively the same as getting devs to create games for your platform. That's flight simulator. Also its all optional.

They already do, it's called Minecraft.

 

[reksveks]

They already do, it's called Minecraft.

I don't think minecraft is as big as roblox in terms of transactions and UGC but I could be wrong on that front. However on a theoretical level, yeah it is the same.

 

[chinoXL]

i would hope given the time they still have until release, that they see its BS to not go with the 10 upgrade fee...def a grimey move to possibly make people pay twice full price. if that's the case people on PS4 looking to get a 5, should just skip the 4 version..i know easier said than done but gotta speak with your wallet if they don't change this.

 

[ManaByte]

Xbox is limited to phone and tablet only at the moment I think

No you can stream Xbox one a PC.

 

[reksveks]

No you can stream Xbox one a PC.

Yeah, you can do Xbox one to a PC, you can't do Xbox Series consoles to PC or Xbox Series console to Xbox One console yet but that's the former is in the roadmap.

p.s customary annoyance that you can remote play tetris effect on ps4 but you can't do it on xbox for some unknown reason.

 

[Mr Moose]

You can’t pay £10/€/$ to upgrade Horizon according to the blog. That’s the point. There is no upgrade path.

If you buy the PS4 version first for £59.99, then buy a PS5 later, you need to buy the whole game again for the PS5 at £69.99.

The fact that even the people defending PS here can’t seem to grasp what the issue is shows how confusing it is.

They've turned into EA. You need Gold edition (£89.99) or Ultimate edition (£109.99) for cross-gen shit on Battlefield 2042.
Standard versions PS4 (£59.99 - should have an option for £10 to upgrade) & PS5 (£69.99 - This one should have both).