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[Hunnybun]

No, I'm saying that they aren't doing something negative and that there's no sexism involved.

Well fine. That's an opinion that at the very least is consistent with thinking there's nothing wrong with an objectifying female character.

Out of interest, I assume you also think actual prostitution is fine, too? Not in the sense of it being an an ultimately free choice that someone might want to make, but actually a positive and rewarding career itself? Which is to say, something you'd be happy for your daughter to study at college and then enter as a profession?

 

[Vaelka]

Not at all really. I mean it's obviously not something you'd want to see yourself, just like you don't wanna see your family members banging..

But I'd think of anyone who thought less of my sister or mother for doing porn as a sexist piece of shit... since they are.

Pretty much.
If you're a family member or even parent and your daughter or whatever wanted to do porn ( this is usually about women, but son too I guess ) and you treated her like a complete fucking shit and caused her a lot of emotional pain about it, then I'd say that'd make you a shitty ass parent/ family member.
Not saying that people can't have their own views on it, but it kinda reeks of narcissism when people act like just because they view or feel one way about something it's like the ultimate law of the universe.
Maybe you wouldn't be able to understand or fully accept it, but they're not actually harming anyone and a good parent/ family member would be supportive and at least try and be understanding.
It's not your thing to decide what makes another person happy.

The shit women in particular in sex work have to deal with is entirely artifical, the same people who talk about how horrible it is are the same people who are actively causing the harm by treating them like shit.
It's the same with the whole '' what if it was your daughter '' argument too, people who say that are the problem they're complaining about it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

And any comparisons to this and heroin or whatever is just retarded.
We're talking about people having sex but with a camera present or taking photos of their ass etc.
We might as well be talking about bikinis at the beach just in different angles lol.
They're not actually harming themselves or other people.

Well fine. That's an opinion that at the very least is consistent with thinking there's nothing wrong with an objectifying female character.

Out of interest, I assume you also think actual prostitution is fine, too? Not in the sense of it being an an ultimately free choice that someone might want to make, but actually a positive and rewarding career itself? Which is to say, something you'd be happy for your daughter to study at college and then enter as a profession?

What does it fucking matter what anyone else thinks?
You talk about dehumanization but you seem to think that you're some arbiter over other peoples lives and what makes them happy.

 

[Mr Branding]

Well fine. That's an opinion that at the very least is consistent with thinking there's nothing wrong with an objectifying female character.

Out of interest, I assume you also think actual prostitution is fine, too? Not in the sense of it being an an ultimately free choice that someone might want to make, but actually a positive and rewarding career itself? Which is to say, something you'd be happy for your daughter to study at college and then enter as a profession?

For someone which always falls back on 'conflating', it would appear you're the one doing all the conflating.
It's a video game, deal with it. Why even go to extremes, talking about sex workers and whatnot? It's a game. If you're so into this subject matter, go and take action, man. Whining about sexism on a forum isn't going to help much, people are still going to buy and enjoy the game.
For someone pretending to be 47, you surely are wiser than to argue and raise all these strawmen on a gaming forum.

 

[GymWolf]

Speak for yourself. I look exactly like Kratos.

If it's you in the avatar, you look more like BOI.

 

[Hunnybun]

Pretty much.
If you're a family member or even parent and your daughter or whatever wanted to do porn ( this is usually about women, but son too I guess ) and you treated her like a complete fucking shit and caused her a lot of emotional pain about it, then I'd say that'd make you a shitty ass parent/ family member.
Not saying that people can't have their own views on it, but it kinda reeks of narcissism when people act like just because they view or feel one way about something it's like the ultimate law of the universe.
Maybe you wouldn't be able to understand or fully accept it, but they're not actually harming anyone and a good parent/ family member would be supportive and at least try and be understanding.
It's not your thing to decide what makes another person happy.

The shit women in particular in sex work have to deal with is entirely artifical, the same people who talk about how horrible it is are the same people who are actively causing the harm by treating them like shit.
It's the same with the whole '' what if it was your daughter '' argument too, people who say that are the problem they're complaining about it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

And any comparisons to this and heroin or whatever is just retarded.
We're talking about people having sex but with a camera present or taking photos of their ass etc.
We might as well be talking about bikinis at the beach just in different angles lol.
They're not actually harming themselves or other people.



What does it fucking matter what anyone else thinks?
You talk about dehumanization but you seem to think that you're some arbiter over other peoples lives and what makes them happy.

This is all just disingenuous nonsense.

You seriously think a good parent should be "supportive" of a child's decision to become a porn performer?

I don't believe anyone intelligent truly thinks that.

At that point you're essentially saying that person should be supportive of ANY decision, at which point the heroin analogy certainly IS valid.

And stop conflating any degree of disapproval with abuse/"treating someone like shit". It's hypocritical bullshit.

There are all kinds of modes of supportive disapproval, as anyone honest wouldn't seek to obfuscate.

 

[Hunnybun]

For someone which always falls back on 'conflating', it would appear you're the one doing all the conflating.
It's a video game, deal with it. Why even go to extremes, talking about sex workers and whatnot? It's a game. If you're so into this subject matter, go and take action, man. Whining about sexism on a forum isn't going to help much, people are still going to buy and enjoy the game.
For someone pretending to be 47, you surely are wiser than to argue and raise all these strawmen on a gaming forum.

When you're trying to argue with dishonest people, often the easiest way to expose them is to take the logic of their bullshit positions to their extremes.

Pretending to be 47? Wtf are you talking about?

 

[Noboru Wataya]

 

[Boglin]

H Hunnybun
You said earlier that you find the character mildly sexist but later clarified that you didn't think it was problematic and I think this might be where some fiction in this discussion stems. Maybe I'm alone in this but I always thought there was the implication of being problematic when someone labeled anything as an "ist".

I think there might be some other semantic interference going on as well since this whole thing seems obvious to you yet there are a lot of people disagreeing with you.
So I can get a better understanding of where you're coming from, do you think it's always sexist for men to be pandered to or to indulge in their sexuality by media?

 

[Mr Branding]

When you're trying to argue with dishonest people, often the easiest way to expose them is to take the logic of their bullshit positions to their extremes.

Pretending to be 47? Wtf are you talking about?

I thought I saw you post earlier that you're 47, might have been some different user. Disregard that comment.

But why jump straight to the conclusion that you are arguing with dishonest people? It seems it's a cultural thing to shout strong words, dishonest, sexism, offensive, etc.
I'm done wasting my time with this topic, if some folks can't take a sexy character, fine, their issue.

 

[Hunnybun]

H Hunnybun
You said earlier that you find the character mildly sexist but later clarified that you didn't think it was problematic and I think this might be where some fiction in this discussion stems. Maybe I'm alone in this but I always thought there was the implication of being problematic when someone labeled anything as an "ist".

I think there might be some other semantic interference going on as well since this whole thing seems obvious to you yet there are a lot of people disagreeing with you.
So I can get a better understanding of where you're coming from, do you think it's always sexist for men to be pandered to or to indulge in their sexuality by media?

No I don't think so.

 

[smart_brazileiro]

My gosh.. going through the comments I wonder when all the Resetera rejects came back and infested this forum again.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

This whole discussion is so absurd.

It was good that we moved on from every female character in a video game being a sex doll.

Doesn’t mean those cannot exist neither.

 

[Hunnybun]

I thought I saw you post earlier that you're 47, might have been some different user. Disregard that comment.

But why jump straight to the conclusion that you are arguing with dishonest people? It seems it's a cultural thing to shout strong words, dishonest, sexism, offensive, etc.
I'm done wasting my time with this topic, if some folks can't take a sexy character, fine, their issue.

Over many years of bickering on the internet, I've come to realise that most people are basically incapable of arguing and when they find themselves in trouble on some point of logic or fact they prefer to resort to dishonest tactics than to admit fault.

It's very very common IMO and in some sense isn't even really a criticism, it just seems to be the way most people are. I'd guess the root cause is that very few people adopt positions as the conclusion of a genuinely rational process, but rather as some kind of default or knee-jerk opposition or virtue signal etc, and then become very defensive because changing one's mind is so painful.

So in a way that highly cynical view has become my default judgement of people: I'm willing to be proven wrong, but I'm quick to take confirmation of it when I see people trying to obfuscate/conflate/emotionally blackmail etc.

 

[NikuNashi]

I'd feel embarrassed as fuck playing this and the wife walked in...

You sound insecure, do you need your wife's approval in deciding what games to enjoy.

 

[Fredrik]

I'm a guy so I don't really have an opinion with value on how girls who play games like to see girls characters in games. But I'm willing to bet it is a broad spectrum that also includes girls like the ones in this game.

If anything, it's kind of offensive to assume they want to be nearly genderless and over simplified

My 2 cents living in a house where the whole family are gamers. We’re all individual of course but for me it’s quite clear that the girls in the house all likes pretty girls. The pretty dolls kids and wife played dress up with at young age has just evolved into putting on makeup on themselves, wear jewelry, nice clothes and have a million shoes, essentially they still play dress up lol

So yeah the idea that girls in general would like female characters to look genderless or less pretty is odd to me. Maybe some do but to me it’s generalizing way too much to claim that this is what the whole modern audience wants. The reaction video posted earlier with the girl saying ”She’s so prettyyy!” in a bright voice over and over is essentially how it sounds in my house when a pretty girl is shown in games, movies, comics, etc.

What my wife don’t like though is when female characters hardly wear any clothes. Eve is definitely pushing it with her painted on suit but at least she’s covered up. And it’s still a game with a badass pretty girl as main character, always seen as a plus.

 

[RJMacready73]

You sound insecure, do you need your wife's approval in deciding what games to enjoy.

fuck all to do with the wife's approval m8, I would PERSONALLY feel wick being a grown ass man playing it, the wife would more than likely take the piss, like i said it ain't my style o game... c'mon every cut scene was cringe as fuck

 

[Gameplaylover]

It's ok if not every female protagonist looks or is dressed like the Top10 on pornhub. But please don't start now a discussion everytime if one does. There is a reason why fat ugly girls don't sell beer or cars and sexy girls get more tips and are treated more friendly by men. Men simply like sexy beautiful women.

 

[Pantz]

It will be a miracle if this game makes it to launch without anything being cut or toned down.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Pretty much.
If you're a family member or even parent and your daughter or whatever wanted to do porn ( this is usually about women, but son too I guess ) and you treated her like a complete fucking shit and caused her a lot of emotional pain about it, then I'd say that'd make you a shitty ass parent/ family member.
Not saying that people can't have their own views on it, but it kinda reeks of narcissism when people act like just because they view or feel one way about something it's like the ultimate law of the universe.
Maybe you wouldn't be able to understand or fully accept it, but they're not actually harming anyone and a good parent/ family member would be supportive and at least try and be understanding.
It's not your thing to decide what makes another person happy.

The shit women in particular in sex work have to deal with is entirely artifical, the same people who talk about how horrible it is are the same people who are actively causing the harm by treating them like shit.
It's the same with the whole '' what if it was your daughter '' argument too, people who say that are the problem they're complaining about it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

And any comparisons to this and heroin or whatever is just retarded.
We're talking about people having sex but with a camera present or taking photos of their ass etc.
We might as well be talking about bikinis at the beach just in different angles lol.
They're not actually harming themselves or other people.



What does it fucking matter what anyone else thinks?
You talk about dehumanization but you seem to think that you're some arbiter over other peoples lives and what makes them happy.

This is were it goes wrong. You shouldn't support your daughter (or son) going into the porn business. You can't outright forbid it, as they will fuel them even further, but I should NEVER support it.

I don't want my daughter to be on the internet like that till the end of days, or being around douchebags, lots of drug abuse and potential psychological abuse. It tcould be a phase you know, and when she comes to senses it might destroy her life afterwards. Its a dirty scene, the examples and stories about this, as well as suicides, are many. Youngsters make lots of bad decisions, I did so too, and never listen to their parents. But when adults themselves they'll agree their parents were probably right about a lot of things.

I remember having these discussions on Ree years ago. I vehemently disagreed and it never ends well. I just hope not many parents are supportive of prostitution and porn. Even though not everything is malevolent about the business, i'm not that short sighted, but supporting it is a bridge too far for any sane parent I hope.

 

[Boglin]

No I don't think so.

Okay, so we agree there. Do you also think there can be a character or game designed with the sole intention of being purely masturbatory without it being sexist?

Without beating around the bush, the only reason I'm asking is because I genuinely can't imagine what pandering to male sexuality would look like without the titillating imagery that could be demeaning to women. So if you can be bothered, I guess what I'm really after is a description from your perspective of what a pandering game that isn't sexist would entail. It can be hypothetical or real.

 

[b0uncyfr0]

I don't mind it - id rather look at a nice butt when playing the game than not. If you don't wanna look at a nice butt - dont play the game.

Also, this right here

Haha

 

[Hunnybun]

Okay, so we agree there. Do you also think there can be a character or game designed with the sole intention of being purely masturbatory without it being sexist?

Without beating around the bush, the only reason I'm asking is because I genuinely can't imagine what pandering to male sexuality would look like without the titillating imagery that could be demeaning to women. So if you can be bothered, I guess what I'm really after is a description from your perspective of what a pandering game that isn't sexist would entail. It can be hypothetical or real.

Well I suppose it would be something where the person wasn't reduced, to all intents and purposes, to a sex object.

Chloe Frazier in Uncharted 2 might be a good example. Very sexualised and obviously intended to appeal to male players, but still a relatively realistic character.

Going a little but further, Jill Valentine in the RE3 remake - getting a little bit unrealistic with the proportions at this point, if we're honest, but still a plausible-looking character, and certainly not entirely defined by her appearance.

I'd suggest there's quite a divide between those two and this slut from Project Eve.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Well I suppose it would be something where the person wasn't reduced, to all intents and purposes, to a sex object.

Chloe Frazier in Uncharted 2 might be a good example. Very sexualised and obviously intended to appeal to male players, but still a relatively realistic character.

Going a little but further, Jill Valentine in the RE3 remake - getting a little bit unrealistic with the proportions at this point, if we're honest, but still a plausible-looking character, and certainly not entirely defined by her appearance.

I'd suggest there's quite a divide between those two and this slut from Project Eve.

I think Jill from RE3R is the best looking female character in ages honestly. She's rather casually clothed, but I think she's very pretty though not in a stereotype way being scantly clad with huge boobs and extremely long hair. Despite that, as far as game characters go, she does look hot and she kicks ass.

Its funny because isn't Drake like a rather good looking guy also? Or any fighter I pick in most fighting games, look at those fucking triceps and bare chests man. I can only dream of having those. Apparently this is all fine. And I don't care myself, either.

 

[Boglin]

Well I suppose it would be something where the person wasn't reduced, to all intents and purposes, to a sex object.

Chloe Frazier in Uncharted 2 might be a good example. Very sexualised and obviously intended to appeal to male players, but still a relatively realistic character.

Going a little but further, Jill Valentine in the RE3 remake - getting a little bit unrealistic with the proportions at this point, if we're honest, but still a plausible-looking character, and certainly not entirely defined by her appearance.

I'd suggest there's quite a divide between those two and this slut from Project Eve.

I certainly agree that those characters are pretty and aren't designed in a sexist way, however I have to apologize because I wasn't clear with my initial question. I didn't mean to ask if there can be females that are attractive to men in games. I meant to ask, "do you think it's possible for there to be media that's specifically designed to illicit a sexual reaction from men without it being sexist?"

I think we can both agree that Chloe's and Jill's purpose in their games isn't to give men boners.

 

[RoboFu]

I actually find this thread strangely educational, in that I'm being asked to deconstruct a position that I hold that's just so obvious to me that I probably haven't thought about it much for a while. It's kind of disconcerting to see so many people question how such imagery could be sexist when it just seems self-evident.

To me it's demeaning in the same way that a woman dancing nude for men in a strip club is demeaning, ie *obviously*. It's objectification: the treatment of a person as valuable only in their ability to titillate.

I'd thought that civilised people had accepted that a woman presented in a non-sexual context like this - a videogame character whose sex is irrelevant to her role in the game - should be depicted as much as possible as a rounded human being. Instead presenting her as something to be leered at just seems inherently disrespectful to women.

To me it's weird that anyone would question this.

Do you all, for example, reject the idea that the original Lara Croft character model, with her hot pants and gigantic pointy tits, is sexist? Isn't it just *obviously* so?

women ( or men ) dancing nude in a strip club isn’t “ for men “ it’s for MONEY. No one is forcing women to be strippers. Men are not teaching their daughters to grow up to be strippers. It’s a ridiculous straw man that gets used all the time.

The only people to push such things are the same people who are supposedly so against it now .. the people who made and sold society all the movies, tv, and marketing over the years and the sub cultures that created.

 

[Needlecrash]

In other words...

I don't like sexy women.

 

[Noboru Wataya]

The game's style is flashy, outrageous, and sexy. Everything that Returnal wasn''t. Anyone who posts outrage on behalf of others over the style is only virtue signalling and nothing more.

 

[CthulhuPL]

PASTOR DEEPA

Spoiler: ... "did some research, look what they all do! I hef som videos to show ..."

Can you post a link for the second video? It's pure gold xD

 

[Black_Stride]

My gosh.. going through the comments I wonder when all the Resetera rejects came back and infested this forum again.

Its not a particularly good character model.
Just cuz someone thinks that doesnt make them SJWs or whatever the other side of the argument is.


Even DoA isnt full on stock Daz character as this model and they dont shy away from being Doll like character models.

You know its time to reevaluate your character when Ayane and Kasumi look "realistic" in comparison and actually look like they are wearing clothes. Not just a texture over a naked body. To each their own its an Unreal Engine game so ill quickly be changing out her outfit probably giving something from DoA anyway but its a weak character model that honestly doent look "nextgen" funny considering how detailed and well modelled pretty much everything else in the game is.
The Villain or whatever looks awesome why MC gotta look like a stock character someone used gimp to texture.

 

[GymWolf]

It will be a miracle if this game makes it to launch without anything being cut or toned down.

Koreans don't give a fuck about the mongoloid mob.

 

[Thesuffering79]

I dont understand this at all. The character doesnt stand out at all, it is just a woman with a skin tight outfit with jiggle physics. I mean are you bothered women in yoga outfits? Sure they are nice to look at but i would never creep over them.

 

[Hunnybun]

I certainly agree that those characters are pretty and aren't designed in a sexist way, however I have to apologize because I wasn't clear with my initial question. I didn't mean to ask if there can be females that are attractive to men in games. I meant to ask, "do you think it's possible for there to be media that's specifically designed to illicit a sexual reaction from men without it being sexist?"

I think we can both agree that Chloe's and Jill's purpose in their games isn't to give men boners.

I thought I'd already answered the question: "no I don't think so" (the question was asked in the negative, but was essentially the same).

I think media could do that and not be sexist. I don't think all erotic media is *necessarily* sexist. I think it mostly depends on the context. But really I probably need examples to really say with much certainty.

 

[Hunnybun]

women ( or men ) dancing nude in a strip club isn’t “ for men “ it’s for MONEY. No one is forcing women to be strippers. Men are not teaching their daughters to grow up to be strippers. It’s a ridiculous straw man that gets used all the time.

The only people to push such things are the same people who are supposedly so against it now .. the people who made and sold society all the movies, tv, and marketing over the years and the sub cultures that created.

Whether it's for men or money (a distinction without a difference), it's still demeaning.

And a voluntary choice can still be demeaning.

 

[The Cockatrice]

fuck all to do with the wife's approval m8, I would PERSONALLY feel wick being a grown ass man playing it, the wife would more than likely take the piss, like i said it ain't my style o game... c'mon every cut scene was cringe as fuck

You feel wick having a sexy character on screen? You do know what that sounds like right?

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

I bet if the Project Eve woman was a Twitch streamer, actress, Instagram model, Youtuber, pop star, etc and looked exactly the same, no one would have a problem with her and she will even get admired by many. Since it’s a video game though, that’s where people draw the line and freak out.

That’s why I don’t take these complainers and the easily offended serious. It’s hypocrisy at it’s finest plain and simple. I think there is room for sexy women, grounded women and everything in-between. Makes gaming and entertainment more interesting and less predictable.

 

[Boglin]

I thought I'd already answered the question: "no I don't think so" (the question was asked in the negative, but was essentially the same).

I think media could do that and not be sexist. I don't think all erotic media is *necessarily* sexist. I think it mostly depends on the context. But really I probably need examples to really say with much certainty.

I apologize again. I asked in a different way because I thought I wasn't clear since you listed examples of females characters that were not designed to be erotic.
My goal with our conversation is to figure out where our exactly the line is for where our disagreement is. If you think erotic media doesn't necessarily have to be demeaning to women, then I would like to know what that entails. I can't think of anything that would be considered erotic to typical men that would lack titillating imagery.

Like, could someone draw a picture of a sexy woman for the sole purpose of being used as material for men to do their business with or does the artists need to write up a grounded backstory to go along with it?

 

[betrayal]

I think the core of the problem for many is that they have little real experience with ordinary (i.e. no influencers, actors, ...) confident and attractive women, because it is exactly these women who are very often very feminine and express this elegantly and appropriately.

Project Eve's main character is obviously exaggerated, but definitely has some intersections with confident and attractive women.

Just because many mostly insecure people in the video game industry have little contact with such women doesn't mean they don't exist in very high numbers. It's the typical life in a bubble that people think is the common reality.

 

[KiteGr]

 

[waquzy]

 

[It's all in the wrist]

No doubt, eve's character does look ridiculous. It's just flipped around to being cool again because it's been awhile since we've had a big game with a nonsensically sexy character lead.

I'm all for it. Go for your vision. The suckers are the ones that won't play an otherwise good game because they're hellbent on making a statement.

 

[Thief1987]

I’m going to have to agree with Alex. Many Japanese developers are stuck in the stone age with their character design.

And i want to stay in stone age, thank you

 

[strange headache]

I actually find this thread strangely educational, in that I'm being asked to deconstruct a position that I hold that's just so obvious to me that I probably haven't thought about it much for a while. It's kind of disconcerting to see so many people question how such imagery could be sexist when it just seems self-evident.

To me it's demeaning in the same way that a woman dancing nude for men in a strip club is demeaning, ie *obviously*. It's objectification: the treatment of a person as valuable only in their ability to titillate.

I'd thought that civilised people had accepted that a woman presented in a non-sexual context like this - a videogame character whose sex is irrelevant to her role in the game - should be depicted as much as possible as a rounded human being. Instead presenting her as something to be leered at just seems inherently disrespectful to women.

To me it's weird that anyone would question this.

Do you all, for example, reject the idea that the original Lara Croft character model, with her hot pants and gigantic pointy tits, is sexist? Isn't it just *obviously* so?

 

[Hunnybun]

I apologize again. I asked in a different way because I thought I wasn't clear since you listed examples of females characters that were not designed to be erotic.
My goal with our conversation is to figure out where our exactly the line is for where our disagreement is. If you think erotic media doesn't necessarily have to be demeaning to women, then I would like to know what that entails. I can't think of anything that would be considered erotic to typical men that would lack titillating imagery.

Like, could someone draw a picture of a sexy woman for the sole purpose of being used as material for men to do their business with or does the artists need to write up a grounded backstory to go along with it?

It's context, isn't it?

If you're just producing porn, or nude pictures or whatever, it's clear and understood that the only purpose is present an attractive woman or whatever. I don't think that's necessarily *sexist* as such, although it's probably always at least somewhat exploitative.

If, on the other hand, you're presenting a sex object where a real character ought to be - as a significant character in a movie, or a game or whatever - then the implication is that nothing else matters except her appearance, and we don't have to bother actually giving her a personality etc. It's basically dehumanisation of the subject, because she has feminine features that are interesting above all others, and that's enough; effectively, because she's a woman.

 

[buenoblue]

I thought politics was banned? I don't know what's worse, era total woke or here anti woke. I just wanna talk about games! Is that too much to ask. If you don't like something don't buy it simple.

 

[Spukc]

I thought politics was banned? I don't know what's worse, era total woke or here anti woke. I just wanna talk about games! Is that too much to ask. If you don't like something don't buy it simple.

holy shit you just solved a 12 page thread
wow

 

[kevm3]

Literally nobody is taking about this character. I want THIS to be the main character. We basically are getting this
(You)

VS

(Boss)

Alpha Na:Tive looks cool as fuck.

And what's wrong with getting both? Why does every character have to be the latter?

 

[SJRB]

If [quasi] public figures would spend less time telling other people what they can and cannot like, the internet would probably be a much better place.

 

[iorek21]

I loved her design and will play this game with only one hand

 

[RoboFu]

Whether it's for men or money (a distinction without a difference), it's still demeaning.

And a voluntary choice can still be demeaning.

So all strippers ( women and men )are demeaning and shouldn’t be allowed to strip? We should abolish it because even though it’s not on any public media .. it offends you?

I mean I don’t like it … and I definitely am not teaching my daughter to be a stripper or demeaning to herself in anyway, quite the opposite. I am actually against games like this, but you are clearing attacking “ men “ as the reason / problem when it’s obviously the media and subcultures that have formed because of it. Have you ever watched a music video or listened to pop music int he last 10 years?

 

[tkscz]

I mean, if that's his opinion that's fine, but I find it off putting when he places his opinion on an entire audience. How the hell would he know what people outside his little circle feel? The fact that people are disagreeing with his statement shows that a character model like that has appeal, and if it's "too distracting" for him, then he can just not buy the game. I'm not angry with his opinion, just him putting said opinion on other people, assuming everyone would hate it.

Also, the character design doesn't look much different than a real Korean woman with make up on: