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If Xbox and Playstation never came, and Sega, NEC & gang were still making consoles.....

Xbox and PS never happened. Which gaming platforms would you support now?

  • Nintendo

    Votes: 87 43.9%
  • Sega

    Votes: 138 69.7%
  • NEC (maker of PC Engine/T-16)

    Votes: 30 15.2%
  • SNK (maker of Neo Geo)

    Votes: 37 18.7%
  • Some other console brand not listed

    Votes: 10 5.1%
  • None. I'd be done with consoles and will play PC/mobile

    Votes: 18 9.1%
  • None. I'd be done with gaming entirely

    Votes: 4 2.0%

  • Total voters
    198

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
This poll is focused on console choice.

Which platform would you buy and support in modern day? And yes, Nintendo is of course still here because NES goes back to around 1984 I think.

Multi choices allowed.

I guess you can just assume what you know about their legacies and assume they would follow a similar path of image, games, power trend to what they did decades ago.
 
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FStubbs

Member
Assuming some giant like Sony wouldn't have eventually come in, the jRPGs would have begrudgingly stayed with Nintendo, so that's where I would've remained - though I guess Falcom would be on NEC.
 

TheGrat1

Member
Who knows? The industry would be so different. The PlayStation's success was a paradigm shift in the industry. A point in time from which potential futures diverge too wildly to even be contemplated. Does Sega survive or does the Saturn still leave a poor taste in people's mouths, dooming the Dreamcast? How successful will the N64 be with memory limited and more expensive games? Would a lot of those games even get made? Would Xbox even enter the market with no threat from the PlayStation?

Too different, man. Too different.
 

scalman

Member
He ment if ps1 wouldnt come out and just kill everything with that game library... it just changed gaming as such for me tottaly. Xbox what? Haha
 

killatopak

Member
Judging by how Sonic is basically a shadow of its former self and Sega is pretty much a Yakuza factory, I’ll pretty much be Nintendo/PC.

Atlus is the only saving grace.
 

The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
It's really impossible to answer.

Nintendo would've probably made the same products as of today, but what's hard to tell is what Sega would have made if they still were this big.
 

junguler

Banned
i probably be pc gaming exclusively as i had a capable enough pc that could've played everything i wanted. i'm sure if it wasn't for playstation and xbox being so popular we would have gotten more of those console exclusives on pc anyway.
 
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SpongebobSquaredance

Unconfirmed Member
Sega obviously.

Edit: Although all of them have their strengths. idk if the PC-FX would have ever been a success. Even without the Playstation this thing most likely would've bombed and the reason to leave the console market.

Sega, Nintendo and SNK and 3DO would've been the most interesting.
 
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ShirAhava

Plays with kids toys, in the adult gaming world
SEGA/NEC/NEOGEO being the only consoles on the market would be a dream come true

I could just play games I truly enjoy and not have to wade through a sea of garbage
 

Isa

Member
It would certainly be an interesting timeline. I wonder what the evolution of gaming would look like. I'd imagine it wouldn't be as big as it is now, and have much more variety. Hell maybe even gameplay design would potentially be something more than it is now. Instead of a heavy focus on GAAS and nickel & diming tactics, I could only wonder with glee what could have been the next big thing. And just imagine all the art! I think there would have been a cool push for wild gameplay and visuals, instead of a million indies aping 8-16 bit I bet the main's would have ended up pushing clearer and larger 2D art. Granted I'm merely dreaming.

Not saying I don't think there wouldn't be a push for realistic 3D gfx, but I think over the top style, directing and action would still be the norm. I'd also imagine form factor and unique console features would also have been pioneered. Instead of the hulking brutes I have sitting in my room now that are not too dissimilar to PC's. I miss the small, light form factor of my Genesis, and the PC Engine is sleek as all hell. And with their pioneering of CD games years ahead of being an industry standard, what else could they have brought to the hobby? Sega was ahead of the curve in a big way, and I love the way games from the era focused on fun over filler, games that go on too long, or checklist game design.
 

GametimeUK

Member
Surprised to see Sega ahead here. Madness.
I'd support Sega, Nintendo and PC on paper, but ultimately the brand doesn't matter. I'd just support the best devices with the best games.
 
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EverydayBeast

thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Sega showed no console is guaranteed to go on, Xbox was a shot and PlayStation was the last
Shot to an already hurt sega.
 
Nintendo consoles always had the best first and third party games before PlayStation. It wasn't even close enough to call it a competition.

Anyone voting for Sega is crazy. If history stayed as it was pre-Sony, all the games we play on PlayStation and Xbox, would be Nintendo exclusives.

It's time to step away from the playground little one, recess is over. :goog_lol:

I see Xbox as the successor to Sega anyways.

Eh, kinda-sorta? OG Xbox was definitely a lot like a spiritual successor to Dreamcast, and the 360/PS3 gen mirrored a LOT of what the Genesis/SNES era was before it. If you want to be a bit loose tho then there's a lot of thematic ties between the XBO and Saturn in terms of market performance and general fates (hard fall-offs from their prev consoles especially in key Western markets, tons of cancelled 1P titles/exclusives, notably absent sequels to certain key IP created, bigger push to PC, relatively quicker pivot to next-gen talk ahead of competitors (Sony), pretty quiet last-year lives for then current-gen (XBO, Saturn) notable releases (particularly 1P) before releasing next-gen consoles (Series, Dreamcast), etc.).

In fact there's probably some argument to be had in parallels between the Series and Dreamcast, i.e a bigger focus on smaller A/AA games of various varieties as primary draws into the ecosystem, launching cheaper than the competition (in MS's case via lower-priced Series S SKU), etc. Of course that may not exactly be the best comparison either considering what ultimately happened with Dreamcast in the face of PS2, and IMO the PS5 is taking a very PS2-era strategy (relying on a lot of big 3P AAA timed exclusives, some earlier 1P exclusives from Day 1 to tide over for the bigger 1P AAA games to come shortly, etc.).

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OP I picked everyone in that poll. I think if things played out as they did except with Sony not entering, Microsoft would have chosen to not enter, either, and Nintendo still going with carts would've given a bigger opportunity for companies like Sega. TBH without PlayStation I think the Saturn would've taken its place in the industry. People lament how hard it was to develop for but it's actually easier than say the PS2 or especially the PS3 would end up being, and Sega provided a lot of documentation on the hardware itself so that wasn't an issue. Sony simply changed the game on that front, Sega and Nintendo didn't see that coming.

Maybe the PC-FX does a bit better in Japan than it did but I still think it'd of needed the 3D graphics chip they ended up removing anyway and putting in the PC GPU accelerator card. However the whole reason they removed it was because the 3D wasn't as good as Saturn's or PS1's, so the PC-FX would've taken the place Saturn had perception-wise with 3D compared to PS1, and Saturn taking the PS1's place instead. I think you'd have less 3Ps outright abandoning Nintendo like they did, so you'd probably end up with Square at least still supporting them with FF games. But with Saturn having CDs as an advantage I think based on early JRPG results on Saturn you'd start to see companies like Square pressure Nintendo to push the 64DD sooner and more aggressively, or maybe do something like packing in a new Final Fantasy with it to drive adoption rates. I do think other primarily-Nintendo JRPG devs would take the plunge and at least do ports of N64 titles to Saturn or do Saturn-specific releases, especially if the 64DD wouldn't work out.

Other companies like Namco, would probably just support both Nintendo and Sega that gen because they technically did that with PS1 and N64 in reality anyway. Same goes for Capcom, Konami, etc. So Japanese 3P support between Nintendo and Sega would be at much greater parity than it was in the MegaDrive/SFC era, easily. Considering even the PS1 did not make Nintendo drop the 64DD in lieu of a CD-ROM add-on there's virtually no chance they'd do so due to a timeline where only the Saturn was their big competitor.

Ironically in this same kind of timeline it's possible Nintendo does better in the West with N64 because Sega emphasis less relationships with Western devs (due to bigger gains with Japanese developers), leaving Nintendo open to snag up more of their support. N64 already had a good amount of Western support but imagining Nintendo forming partnerships with studios like Lobotomy would've been very interesting. But anyway, regarding NEC and SNK, while I couldn't picture them doing too much better in a market where Sony wasn't a player, I could see them maybe teaming up to develop a next-gen 2D/3D Neo-Geo 2 type of arcade system and just focus their gaming efforts there primarily, while doing ports to Nintendo and Sega consoles (which is what they eventually did anyway).

While the PC-FX might've done a bit better with the 3D included out of the box, it still would've came a distant third to Nintendo and Sega, and probably even behind 3DO globally (tho bettering it sales-wise in Japan). I think even by the tail end of PC-Engine NEC didn'd see the console market as fruitful for them, but if they wanted to stay in gaming, why not focus on a sector where the hardware is sold with high profit margins, i.e arcades? SNK already had a lot of arcade experience and I think together they could've done something like a Hyper Neo-Geo 64 earlier and with possibly better 3D while having genuine (then) next-gen 2D capabilities basically taking the spot of the M2 while having at least as good 3D and vastly better 2D specs, aiming at a lower pricing tier for arcade operators compared to something like the Model 3 (and squeezing out the Titan-STV in performance metrics).

But then there's also SNK to consider there; without PS1 that gives a stronger Sega and Nintendo and maybe SNK just "skips" the Neo-Geo CD as-is for a new console in late 1996 or early/mid 1997 that serves as a relatively consolized version of a 2D/3D "Neo-Geo 2". And, maybe they decide to not work with NEC/Hudson, or only consider such if NEC/Hudson approach them with the proposition as a means of moving on quickly from the PC-FX (especially if they don't go with integrated 3D built-in).

One thing's for sure, the market would've been a lot more active with more companies pulling in different directions, which would've been neat to see happen in its own way TBH.
 
I just got out of my What If machine and it seems the console industry completely dried up.
Dell and Gateway are the sole owners of the gaming market. They also put Apple out of business and the Iphone was never invented.
Everyone uses flip phones with NO internet data and pay per text.
 

lachesis

Member
I am crazy thus I vote for SEGA!
Someone in old Gaming-Age forum once made fun of SEGA being "SElling GAdgets" (on 32x, Sega CD etc)... LOL.
Well, I'm still here! I don't remember who that poster was, but he's gone! .. (I think)

I will defend Sega consoles to the bitter end, but will bitch about their crazy stupidity in business department.
I think that kind of cynicism is a requirement for being a Sega fan.

The next one would be NEC. PC Engine really was good, and home of the Ys I & II and a lot of Falcom games at its finest in 8bit era.

Nintendo, while I ended up respecting and love/enjoy their product, especially after being a father - it falls into 3rd place. More of ending up accepting them because they are the only one who are still standing between the 3 original Japanese companies in console HW business. I liked Sony MSX computer, but actually preferred Panasonic or Sanyo ones better than theirs.

Sony and MS - they are just out of my sight. Even today. I just have them because they are the most prominent ones.

SNK and their Neo Geo... although I did have MVS system during college, I remember having to eat ramen noodles for a month because I bought a brand new Samurai Shodown II from GameFans at retail price. I don't honestly believe it as a console. I think of Neo Geo as home arcade machine, not a traditional console for the games being so expensive & almost all arcade games. (except few CD games)
 
I love Nintendo, but come on man, you know that's not true.
It absolutely was. In the NES 95% of games from companies like Squaresoft, Konami, Capcom, Enix, etc were ALL Nintendo exclusives. Nothing was stopping them from putting their games on Sega, TurboGrafx, etc, but they didn't.

Only when Sony came, did the near-monopoly come down.

And I was someone who owned every Sega, TurboGrafx, 3D0, etc. But facts are facts. Nintendo was synonymous with videogames for a reason.
 
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Unknown?

Member
I just got out of my What If machine and it seems the console industry completely dried up.
Dell and Gateway are the sole owners of the gaming market. They also put Apple out of business and the Iphone was never invented.
Everyone uses flip phones with NO internet data and pay per text.
Ah so society as a whole is better off?
 
It absolutely was. In the NES 95% of games from companies like Squaresoft, Konami, Capcom, Enix, etc were ALL Nintendo exclusives. Nothing was stopping them from putting their games on Sega, TurboGrafx, etc, but they didn't.

Only when Sony came, did the near-monopoly come down.

And I was someone who owned every Sega, TurboGrafx, 3D0, etc. But facts are facts. Nintendo was synonymous with videogames for a reason.
Nintendo stopped them. Nintendo made all those devs sign exclusivity agreements. If was their way, or the highway.
 

Dream-Knife

Banned
I'd still do Nintendo and PC. I'd pick up Sega if Atlus was an exclusive, but I was never a Sega person.

I like SNK in spirit, but I'm not big on fighting games really.
 

Unknown?

Member
It absolutely was. In the NES 95% of games from companies like Squaresoft, Konami, Capcom, Enix, etc were ALL Nintendo exclusives. Nothing was stopping them from putting their games on Sega, TurboGrafx, etc, but they didn't.

Only when Sony came, did the near-monopoly come down.

And I was someone who owned every Sega, TurboGrafx, 3D0, etc. But facts are facts. Nintendo was synonymous with videogames for a reason.
Yes but FF7 would be Saturn exclusive!
 

UnNamed

Banned
After all, our is the best time line possible.

Nintendo led to Playstation.
Playstation led not only to Microsoft and XBOX but also gave a boost on PC gaming who mimic the 32bit era thanks to direct, D3D, multimedia extensions, etc.
PC gaming led to new companies to develop cheaper 3d hardware for PC and consoles.
The market grow led to mobile games as a profitable market.

Without Sony, Microsoft, Apple, etc, the videogame market would be poorer, behind technologically, more expensive, without proper translations in many cases.
 
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SpongebobSquaredance

Unconfirmed Member
It absolutely was. In the NES 95% of games from companies like Squaresoft, Konami, Capcom, Enix, etc were ALL Nintendo exclusives. Nothing was stopping them from putting their games on Sega, TurboGrafx, etc, but they didn't.

Only when Sony came, did the near-monopoly come down.

And I was someone who owned every Sega, TurboGrafx, 3D0, etc. But facts are facts. Nintendo was synonymous with videogames for a reason.
Actually Nintendo had pretty unscrupulous and restrictive contracts for third party manufacturers which prevented publications on other platforms, not to mention that both TurboGrafx and Master System sold much worse than the NES so it's only understandable that most games released on the NES.

All of this changed with the Genesis though, which brought the monopoly down. Sony wasn't the first one to do this. They were much more successful with it, but the weren't the first. Sega's market share during the Genesis days proofs this.
 
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