Ring Fit Adventure, Astral Chain and Arms all say hi....
Ring Fit is a full fledged innovative game and a new IP....isn't the point of new IPS to do new and different things? Isn't that at the heart of your criticism of Nintendo? So what RF is too different?Ring Fit isn't a traditional game, and I acknowledged in this thread that the Labo team was the only one to take chances.
Astral Chain may be funded by Nintendo, but it's not developed by them. Also, it doesn't exactly scream ambition, though the game is decent. Arms was released 4.5 years ago as a side project by the MK team; obviously with a much much lower budget.
If that's all the new IP you can show in 4.5 years, it's borderline pathetic for a console which is arguably the most successful piece of hardware of the decade.
I mean, in some ways, yes. Just look at GameFreak's Pokemon game on Switch. That game has no business looking like that and i feel this is in part with some of Nintendo's partners and Nintendo itself being not accustomed to HD development.
You say a bunch but really it's just those two games. The majority of Nintendo's first party games are announced less than a year before release and the vast majority are announced less than 18 months before release.I think their new management since Iwata died just hasn’t been great. Like it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that they should’ve probably had Retro Studios working on Prime 4 from the beginning. Instead it’s been in development hell because they started having some unspecified Bamco devs making it, then they scrapped it and restarted with Retro anyways.
And yes I know Retro isn’t the same as during the GC/Wii era, but that doesn’t change the fact that it was still the dev team that made the most sense. And that’s just one example. They’ve announced a bunch of games like Metroid and Bayonetta 3 way too early and there’s been little no updates on.
Except they don't.No. They still make a lot of games.
No Nintendo are just being lazy because the switch is selling shit tons, Nintendo struggled with hd for the wii u but then managed to pump out alot more games on it then the switch, look at the amount of games that Nintendo made for the wii at the start there were afew a year then it became less and less and right now they seem to be putting wii u games on there which didnt sell to well, personally i think whenever Nintendo has something successful they go back to the drawing board by creating new prototypes for upcoming games plus a switch 2 has to imminent right about now, wouldnt be surprised if we get a new mario kart next year eitherIn the first four years of the 3ds’s life cycle nintendo managed to release almost 80 first party retail games. Its likely that due to the less powerful Hardware they were able to take more shortcuts regarding visuals to release
More games per often.
While they have released quite a few first party retail switch games since 2017, its not close to the amount of 3ds software they were able to produce in the same amount of time (4 years). We saw companies like alpha dream go under, and you have to wonder if its because they were ill equipped to produce games in what we consider higher definition.
Even studios as storied as game freak are struggling to make pokemon games that really impress and take advantage of the more powerful hardware. Kirby releases used to occur much more frequently, but as it stands now, we havent had a new retail kirby game in four years. Even animal crossing took a long time to come over to an hd console.
Is it possible that many of nintendos first and second party developers were not prepared for the shift from the 3ds to switch? Of course some of them had experience making wii u games, but many others made games exclusively for the 3ds during the wii u’s life time.
Yes this is correct, apparently the game made less then 2k while the ds version sold millions, shame really as its an awesome gameWasn't Alpha Dream problem the rampant piracy of their games, making them no revenue as they didn't sell, like, at all?
How many games do you think they publish each year?Except they don't.
Wii u was hd though, nintendo knows how to make games for hd, the problem is they cant be fucked abd dont see the point in releasing anything new because the console still sellsThe answer is obviously yes. There really isn't room for debate. As technology and visuals have progressed, as well as higher pixel counts, that will result in more work. That's not opinion, it's fact. Now, whether or not it has hampered output in a meaningful way is completely up for debate. You didn't give the numbers for the total count of games for the Switch, and I'm too lazy to look it up, but if the 3DS had 80 games in the same time that the Switch had 60 games, I wouldn't consider that to be a meaningful impact, especially since most (or all) of those 60 games are much better quality (at least visually) to the 3DS. Now, if they were at 20 games in the same timeframe I would feel like that is a meaningful impact. But even if I thought that, that's only my opinion. It's subjective. Someone else may have a different opinion entirely.
Wii u was hd though, nintendo knows how to make games for hd, the problem is they cant be fucked abd dont see the point in releasing anything new because the console still sells
No Nintendo are just being lazy because the switch is selling shit tons, Nintendo struggled with hd for the wii u but then managed to pump out alot more games on it then the switch, look at the amount of games that Nintendo made for the wii at the start there were afew a year then it became less and less and right now they seem to be putting wii u games on there which didnt sell to well, personally i think whenever Nintendo has something successful they go back to the drawing board by creating new prototypes for upcoming games plus a switch 2 has to imminent right about now, wouldnt be surprised if we get a new mario kart next year either
How many (non-port) games should they be publishing a year do you think? And which major publisher do you think publishes a lot?My original response was yes but like folks have mentioned hd like games started on the wii u. I honestly think now that they just got complacent. They pretty much dropped the 3ds so all of these teams for the wii u and the 3ds should have been making games for the switch. So I was expecting a ton of games each year but it has been kinda mediocre on the number of releases it feels like.
I was also going to mention covid but the switch released in like early 2017 so they have had plenty of time to make games for this console since 2016 and covid got announced around december of 2019.
Part of it sure, but iirc the general lack of interest in their 3ds remakes also had to do with it. Superstar saga i can get behind because it was originally a GBA game, but what was the point of remaking bowsers inside story when that was already playable on the 3ds via BC?Wasn't Alpha Dream problem the rampant piracy of their games, making them no revenue as they didn't sell, like, at all?
You using the word publish is kinda iffy since I'm more interested over the games they make themselves. The biggest issue with Nintendo games of late is that the majority of their games that they have released are barely AA or are ports. Last year I believe they only had animal crossing and a paper mario game as it's big new Nintendo game and so far the only brand new game this year is pokemon snap.How many (non-port) games should they be publishing a year do you think? And which major publisher do you think publishes a lot?
I get it if people have an issue with the lack of new AAA IP or aren't interested in certain franchises or genres. But the amount of games Nintendo publishes each year is a lot.
I use publish because ultimately Nintendo is a publisher and a huge chunk of their output has always come from studios they don't own. If we're judging Nintendo's output we should look at everything which they themselves count as first party.You using the word publish is kinda iffy since I'm more interested over the games they make themselves. The biggest issue with Nintendo games of late is that the majority of their games that they have released are barely AA or are ports. Last year I believe they only had animal crossing and a paper mario game as it's big new Nintendo game and so far the only brand new game this year is pokemon snap.
I would like around 4 big games from Nintendo each year along with the smaller stuff they usually release plus the third party exclusives they usually do. Sony has been aiming for around 3 to 4 big games a year plus some smaller third party exclusives.
How many games do you think they publish each year?
EDIT: And to bring it in line with my question below. How many do you think they should?
Tbh this year is probs the most they published, from this month to January they are publishing a game a month, its just the droubt from feb until julyHow many (non-port) games should they be publishing a year do you think? And which major publisher do you think publishes a lot?
I get it if people have an issue with the lack of new AAA IP or aren't interested in certain franchises or genres. But the amount of games Nintendo publishes each year is a lot.
They do have a tendency to favour the 2nd half of the year, but even February to June 2021 they published 5 new games, 1 remake and three ports.Tbh this year is probs the most they published, from this month to January they are publishing a game a month, its just the droubt from feb until july
This list doesn't say that it has been a good year. Plus I wouldn't consider Metroid Dread a big game even if the hardcore crowd is hyping the game to be bigger than it is. It simply looks like a small indie game with a slightly larger budget.I use publish because ultimately Nintendo is a publisher and a huge chunk of their output has always come from studios they don't own. If we're judging Nintendo's output we should look at everything which they themselves count as first party.
2020 was a bad year for Nintendo no doubt about that. But 2021 is definitely better. For me there are three major new games:
New Pokémon Snap
Mario Golf Super Rush
Metroid Dread
Plus five smaller games
Bravely Default 2
Game Builder Garage
Warioware Get It Together
Big Brain Academy
DC Hero Supergirls
The main issue I have with the year is that there are four remakes:
Famicom Detective Club
Mario Party Superstar
Pokémon Diamond & Pearl
Advance Wars Reboot Camp
If one or two of those were new games the year would be noticeably better.