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[ManaByte]

Instead of sharing a Kotaku link, always dump it into archive.is and share the archive link. Deprive them of their ad impressions.

 

[NinjaMouse]

Well, since they wrote an article promoting it, we can rest easy knowing that piracy isn’t racist or sexist. Thanks, Kotaku!

 

[MeatSafeMurderer]

The OP didn't exactly quote the right part, so before you say "no they don't" before reading the article, the proper quote should be.



While emulation of dead platforms that you own for games you own is somewhat a grey area, and there is a decent argument for not wanting to apply more tear and wear on old consoles, emulation of a new game bypassing its platform slides a lot more toward clear cur piracy. The "But I mean buy a Switch and then put it into a closet to gather cobweb just to justify using the Switch emulator!" argument doesn't hold much water to justify this article or the writer.

That's not clear cut at all...at least not in the way you think. Playing a game without owning the platform it's exclusive to isn't piracy, even if it's new. What *is* piracy is playing a game without owning the game itself. The law is quite clear on this. Of course we all know how most people who will emulate Dread will go about getting it...but Kotaku didn't, as far as I can tell, explicitly endorse illegally downloading Dread, just emulating it.

They did however basically outright say that illegally downloading the old games was the way to go.

 

[Punished Miku]

I wasn’t endorsing them at all just stating the options and how neither of them are great. If I played it I would buy the game of course but the Switch is a really hard sell for me as aside from a couple games I’d play it would be a paper weight.

Im not trying to single you out and thats good you'd buy it. But all systems are a paperweight after you finish playing games on them. Its a hard sell because when they put out games people want they just rationalize piracy. There's plenty to play on Switch.

 

[Rush2112]

Im not morally bothered about piracy considering what nintendo and other triple a publishers have done over the years. there is no moral high ground left to preach upon.

 

[Abriael_GN]

That's not clear cut at all...at least not in the way you think. Playing a game without owning the platform it's exclusive to isn't piracy, even if it's new. What *is* piracy is playing a game without owning the game itself. The law is quite clear on this. Of course we all know how most people who will emulate Dread will go about getting it...but Kotaku didn't, as far as I can tell, explicitly endorse illegally downloading Dread, just emulating it.

May want not to try to justify this article by mentioning a technicality that the writer didn't even bother to mention himself. Yes. It's pretty damn clear-cut.

If one is not encouraging piracy within a topic that can definitely be piracy (and in most cases, let's be honest, it is), one says it. That's what disclaimers are for.

 

[*Nightwing]

 

[MeatSafeMurderer]

May want not to try to justify this article by mentioning a technicality that the writer didn't even bother to mention himself. Yes. It's pretty damn clear-cut.

Look...I dislike Kotaku as much as the next guy...but this thread just stinks of the ignorant "REEEEE EMULATION IS PIRACY" bullshit that I hate just as much. The only part that endorses piracy is the last line...and honestly...I'm in agreement with them on that. If Nintendo doesn't want people to pirate their old games then they shouldn't go out of their way to keep availability low so they can keep prices high and make most of them basically inaccessible in their original form without paying huge sums of money to some Ebay seller after Nintendo has moved on.

 

[N30RYU]

It encourages piracy? Or emulation?

 

[Shmunter]

You wouldn’t download a car!

 

[Punished Miku]

Look...I dislike Kotaku as much as the next guy...but this thread just stinks of the ignorant "REEEEE EMULATION IS PIRACY" bullshit that I hate just as much. The only part that endorses piracy is the last line...and honestly...I'm in agreement with them on that. If Nintendo doesn't want people to pirate their old games then they shouldn't go out of their way to keep availability low so they can keep prices high and make most of them basically inaccessible in their original form without paying huge sums of money to some Ebay seller after Nintendo has moved on.

Literally all of the Metroid games were available last gen for cheap. Prime Trilogy launched for $20 on day one. They're all still on the digital stores right now.

 

[Abriael_GN]

Look...I dislike Kotaku as much as the next guy...but this thread just stinks of the ignorant "REEEEE EMULATION IS PIRACY" bullshit that I hate just as much. The only part that endorses piracy is the last line...and honestly...I'm in agreement with them on that. If Nintendo doesn't want people to pirate their old games then they shouldn't go out of their way to keep availability low so they can keep prices high and make most of them basically inaccessible in their original form without paying huge sums of money to some Ebay seller after Nintendo has moved on.

Sorry but that's an extremely weak excuse.

I don't ignore the value of emulation, when used well, but the fact that it's a massive piracy enabler, especially on modern platforms that are readily available, is doubtless, and denying it would be massively disingenuous. Are you seriously, unironically going to tell me you really believe the majority of people who use Switch emulators go to the store to buy the cardtriges? Because there's a limit to naivety.

When writing an article about a topic so tightly linked with piracy, whether we like it or not, an even remotely well-intentioned writer acting in good faith would have prefaced it with a massive disclaimer. This dude didn't even bother adding a footnote.

There's a limit to justifying dishonesty to blanket-justify emulation.

 

[*Nightwing]

If Nintendo doesn't want people to pirate their old games then they shouldn't go out of their way to keep availability low so they can keep prices high and make most of them basically inaccessible in their original form without paying huge sums of money to some Ebay seller after Nintendo has moved on.

That’s not how intellectual property rights work. I agree with the sentiment as a consumer, but not the way laws work. The demand means there will be a greater possibility of piracy due to limited supply, but cannot force them to make it available. It is piracy no matter how unfair we as games may think it is

 

[brian0057]

 

[KungFucius]

With Nintendo's systems being so weak, I wonder what they will do with the next one to make emulation less plausible. The 3DS and Wii were awkward to emulate, but still doable. The WiiU and Switch were not awkward and if the game works, you can get a better experience emulating it. Maybe having articles publicizing this fucked up truth is something Nintendo's shareholders need to see and bitch about.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Literally all of the Metroid games were available last gen for cheap. Prime Trilogy launched for $20 on day one. They're all still on the digital stores right now.

Yeah but you have to buy a system that is no longer supported in order to play them. Let's be honest, no one is going to buy a Wii U for that. Nintendo are sitting on their older games for no reason, the switch is easily capable of having its own shop with retro games.

 

[SleepySlippy]

I ripped all of my 10 000+ MAME games from original boards, including the pinball machines!

 

[MeatSafeMurderer]

Literally all of the Metroid games were available last gen for cheap. Prime Trilogy launched for $20 on day one. They're all still on the digital stores right now.

Yes...and for every game that Nintendo saw fit to make available there are 20 that they didn't. Take the gamecube library, there's nothing stopping the WiiU from running them natively, it just can't read the discs...but did Nintendo ever release any cube games? No. Of course not. And that's without mentioning that the handling of these old games on new hardware is often far from perfect. The WiiU's vWii mode is flawed, fucks with the aspect ratio and has generally poor scaling. Lots of VC games look like crap with butchered range. Etc.

 

[Punished Miku]

Yeah but you have to buy a system that is no longer supported in order to play them. Let's be honest, no one is going to buy a Wii U for that. Nintendo are sitting on their older games for no reason, the switch is easily capable of having its own shop with retro games.

You'd already have one if you gave a shit about playing Metroid games or Nintendo games. The goal post keeps getting moved. It could literally be on Steam and people would justify piracy because Nintendo doesn't put their games on sale for $5.

People are lying. Obviously.

 

[RoadHazard]

Emulation is hardly piracy when talking about obsolete games and systems.

I sure as hell wouldn't consider myself a pirate if I download a Jaguar emulator to see what the fuss was all about with the original Aliens vs Predator, a game which hasn't been sold for like, 25 years or something, on a console which has been discontinued for two decades.

Switch games, however? Yeah, this is piracy, through and through.

It's all piracy. That's just an objective fact. Whether or not it's morally wrong is more subjective.

 

[Punished Miku]

Yes...and for every game that Nintendo saw fit to make available there are 20 that they didn't. Take the gamecube library, there's nothing stopping the WiiU from running them natively, it just can't read the discs...but did Nintendo ever release any cube games? No. Of course not. And that's without mentioning that the handling of these old games on new hardware is often far from perfect. The WiiU's vWii mode is flawed, fucks with the aspect ratio and has generally poor scaling. Lots of VC games look like crap with butchered range. Etc.

Sure buddy. Go ahead and move that goalpost into outer space for all I care. Pretty clear what you're doing.

 

[Bragr]

Let's hope Nintendo brings out their best lawyers and smashes this website into oblivion.

 

[Sleepwalker]

You'd already have one if you gave a shit about playing Metroid games or Nintendo games. The goal post keeps getting moved. It could literally be on Steam and people would justify piracy because Nintendo doesn't put their games on sale for $5.

People are lying. Obviously.

What goalposts? This is literally my first post on the matter. I picked up Dread, its okay.

I don't have a Wii U, never did most likely never will, if the older games were available on the switch I would've picked up at least one, they aren't hence I'm moving on or emulating if I can be arsed (most likely not). I can bring on my PS4 and Xbox one libraries with me to next gen, if Nintendo wanted to keep earning revenue from old games maybe they should let us do the same, I'm not buying a crappy old console to play the metroid prime trilogy lol. I don't like clutter, sorry.

BTW I own the trilogy already from way back when they originally released as standalone so Nintendo already got my money anyway. This is my first 2d metroid.

 

[lils]

kotaku finally making sense for once

 

[Umbasaborne]

Im fine with pirating the older games. Nintendo is literally not providing me with a legal or convenient way to play them, outside of the og and super. But encouraging the piracy of the new game is fucked up

 

[ACESHIGH]

Piracy is a service issue - Gabe Newell

 

[FunkMiller]

Shit. Thanks Kotaku! I didn’t know pirating Metroid Dread was so easy!

Off to my PC!

You dozy cunts.

 

[Punished Miku]

Piracy is a service issue - Gabe Newell

Sometimes. But then you have people talking about pirating Dread on this site since a week before the game released and now with this article. So clearly thats not the only motivation

 

[8BiTw0LF]

Finally something Kotaku and I can agree on!

 

[MilkLizard]

which you can legally do.
if you have a launch model you can easily soft mod it and rip the game using homebrew software.

Of course but, like I already said in the OP, this is a minority.

Based on your quotes from the article, it seems they aren't talking about Metroid Dread.

I know, I added another quote.

Op can you please change the quote with something that has actually something to do with the main topic of the article, which is explicitly emulating Metroid Dread?

You quoted literally the only line in which the author makes a half-assed, bad-faith attempt to disingenuously link it with game preservation (with which has nothing to do), and it's derailing your own thread.

Thanks.

I chose the quote I did because it's the one that says "Thank God for pirates". I agree though and added the one you highlighted before. Thanks.

Instead of sharing a Kotaku link, always dump it into archive.is and share the archive link. Deprive them of their ad impressions.

I did both actually.

It encourages piracy? Or emulation?

Both. One is fine, the other isn't

 

[Sub_Level]

Metroid sequence breaking has gotten out of hand. People have figured out how to skip buying the game!

 

[DevilMayFlyForAWhiteGuy]

Im not trying to single you out and thats good you'd buy it. But all systems are a paperweight after you finish playing games on them. Its a hard sell because when they put out games people want they just rationalize piracy. There's plenty to play on Switch.

There’s just not much on the Switch that appeals to me. I bought a 3DS just for Samus Returns and that’s really all I used it for besides VC Super Metroid. Alas that’s what I get for being more of a Metroid fan than Nintendo fan in general.

 

[Zeroing]

Yeah but most rational people would take piracy, copyright violation, and 75 years in jail over buying a Wii U.

You can go to jail because of that? If you distribute the software right?

 

[Punished Miku]

Maybe people wouldn't feel the need to pirate if Nintendo made a console that is actually powerful like the current Gen.

Yes thats it. If you had to pay $500 to play Nintendo games then surely the pirates would see the value proposition change.

 

[Mister Wolf]

It looks very nice at higher resolutions. Hopefully with the DLSS Switch successor they patch older titles.

 

[Vaelka]

Whatever will the industry do without the money of the two people who still read Kotaku?

 

[Abriael_GN]

It looks very nice at higher resolutions. Hopefully with the DLSS Switch successor they patch older titles.

The fact that some still believe this is even funnier than Kotaku thinking this article was a good idea.

 

[GrayFoxPL]

Kotaku?

 

[Batiman]

I haven’t pirated anything since ps1 days. I was a kid then so I’ll give myself a pass. I’ll give 13 year olds a moral pass here personally. Anything older nah lol. If your a grown adult pirating shit your a loser in my eyes.

probably gonna get shit on for this post lol

 

[Jeeves]

Okay honest question. Is there any ethical difference between downloading a ROM vs buying some old out of print GBA game on eBay? The creators/copyright holders are not getting any of your money in either case.

If there’s some way to purchase the game digitally then absolutely you should. If not, then I see zero issue with downloading a ROM.

Use your brain. This seems more like concern trolling because people just hate Kotaku so much.

The bigger issue with this article is that it promotes emulating Metroid Dread. 90% of the article is spent talking about emulating Dread, and the headline is "Metroid Dread is already running great on Switch emulators".

Some may point out (and are) that emulation is not inherently illegal or immoral. And that's true. I myself love emulation and game preservation. But if we're being real, 99/100 people who read this article aren't going to come out of it with the takeaway that they should buy a Switch copy with no intention of playing it so they can morally emulate this game; they're just going to navigate to the nearest ROM site and play this brand new game in a long-ailing series for free. In fact the article doesn't even suggest that you should buy Dread at all.

It's an irresponsible article with the potential to hurt the franchise by keeping Dread from performing as well as it could in sales.

 

[DapperSloth]

If you don't own the game and are not playing it on the Switch it is piracy no matter what brain gymnastics you want to loop through to make it justifiable. Availability etc etc is no excuse lol. ResetEra has already done 300 loops through the sun because that site loves emulation and are really convinced themselves that it is A-OK to play Dread now on your computer, then wondering why it doesn't sell.

 

[Holammer]

 

[Rikkori]

Folks, as a reminder NeoGAF does not support piracy and promotion of such will earn you a warning.

 

[wvnative]

I don't follow switch stuff much in this regard, but is it possible to dump switch carts?

If so, does this explicitly promote piracy? Yes I know it's still a grey area and kotaku is absolute shit, but historically emulation isn't automatically piracy (even if it often ends up as such)

 

[Jack Videogames]

Seems Kotaku is still paying Hulk Hogan and doesn't have money to buy new games

 

[MagiusNecros]

The bigger issue with this article is that it promotes emulating Metroid Dread.

There it is. All Kotaku is saying is pirate all the Metroid games. Deny the sales. Is what it boils down to.

Many can claim emulation isn't piracy but it very much is. Especially in the case of a "Nintendo Switch" exclusive being run on emulators a week prior to release.

If Metroid Dread didn't exist neither would this article.

 

[Mister Wolf]

The fact that some still believe this is even funnier than Kotaku thinking this article was a good idea.

There is a patent from Nintendo for a DLSS variant.

 

[Spaceman292]

If it isn't for sale then I'm not buying it bro

 

[Reallink]

I don't follow switch stuff much in this regard, but is it possible to dump switch carts?

If so, does this explicitly promote piracy? Yes I know it's still a grey area and kotaku is absolute shit, but historically emulation isn't automatically piracy (even if it often ends up as such)

A homebrewed Switch can, the functionality is built into CFW.

 

[plasmawave]

Kotaku, where all the wannabe journalists with broken dreams go to work.