Helghan
Member
I also expected more by now, but I can easily see it grow to 50mil in the next 3 years. With everything from Bethesda, Activision and their own game studios coming out, there's more than enough reasons to just get Game Pass.
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Gamepass hits 25m subs
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ZywyPL
Banned
I have a mixed feelings about this. it would be nice to have some more specific numbers, how many of those users are on XB1, XSX/S and PC. My guess would be that most of those subs are from current-gen consoles, but as per the latest news, MS has shipped like 12M of them at best, so that would mean that GP is actually adopting quite well on PC and older consoles.
But it honestly feels that MS went all-in with GP just the past year, hence it's gaining momentum just recently while being available for so long.
If PC gamers join the club then yeah it's possible, but if not I'm not seeing GP reaching those kind of numbers anytime soon - MS can supply XSX/S only so much, whereas XB1 gamers will have to rely on xCloud, and that's not what many people want. Buying Blizzard if what could indeed push GP numbers on PC with WoW, Diablo, Starcraft and the likes.
Ah the classic 'just wait for Game X'. People have been saying that since the thing launched. Just wait for this game, the numbers will be insane, just wait for that game the numbers will be insane.
I mean we literally had members on this forum making claims that they expect 50m off the back of Forza and Halo.
The amount of people who said that Halo and Forza Horizon would send figures to the moon is large, yet we've seen the weakest growth since our first official subscriber count. Calculating the growth between each official figure we've had they've gone from 34k new subs per day to 25k per day to now just 19k per day.
octiny
Banned
I was talking as a whole (console/PC), if AB's entire line up is on Gamepass PC later this year (& day 1 CoD) which I expect then it's a given IMO that it'll reach those numbers. On top of everything else releasing.
If I'm wrong then I'll happily admit it but I'm pretty confident in my prediction in it reaching close to 40 million once Jan comes around again.
People can save my prediction for a year from now
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
50 million in the next three years is certainly more realistic.
Microsoft could get an additional 10-15 million by the end of the year, but to do this they would need to be ruthless. If they blocked digital sales, threw billions at third parties to release their games on Gamepass only from day one, made a deal so all third party games would never leave the service AND to top it off, made it so people who previously purchased games as digital downloads would only be able to access these games with a Gamepass sub, then Gamepass subs would skyrocket!
If they did all that, I'd expect it to be around 70 million subs in three years. Possibly even 100 million.
Not joking either. Seriously, Microsoft should hire me if they want to increase Gamepass subs.
octiny
Banned
What would be huge is if they make a deal w/ Steam in regards to putting Gamepass on it. I don't see it happening from both sides, but fun to think about.
Stuart360
Member
You have to remember they were stuck on like 6mil for the first 2 or 3 years, then a couple of years ago they started building subs super fast, 3mil a quarter at one point, and here we are with 25mil subs.
Chukhopops
Member
Now compare that to the growth of, say, PS+ which is entirely flat since December 2020. After the first pandemic there was an increase in churn following the huge boost of the early confinements.
7M new subs in a year, coming from 18M is 39% YoY growth.
Stuart360
Member
I'm sure Microsoft value your concern, but i think they will do fine.
I predicted 50mil subs by the end of the gen, and i'm probably going to of lowballed that number by atleast 10mil.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Microsoft could probably purchase Valve. After that, they could block all digital download sales for Steam and put everyone's library accessable only through a Gamepass subscription.
Holy shit, could you imagine how many subs they would get if they did that?!? Absolutely mind-blowing numbers.
Don't think it's going to happen, but certainly possible.
octiny
Banned
Stuart360
Member
And there would be a revolution by PC gamers. PC dudes dont just accept shit like console gamers, Microsoft would be public enemy no.1 and boycotted hard.
Microsoft have a good standing with PC gamers at the moment and i think Microsoft value that.
That would really raise questions in terms of antitrust. There is a clearly defined market that they would become a monopoly in.
Little Chicken
Member
Congrats, it's a great service. The choice paralysis is real though.
R3claimer117
Member
What’s all this talk about anti trust and monopoly? Console business is the smallest section in the gaming business it’s 3rd behind pc and mobile which is number one. Microsoft also doesn’t dominate in any three of those categories and are not even currently in the top 5 publishers by revenue. This deal will go through and they’ll probably buy 2 more publishers before This is over because ten cent is going to keep buying and so Will Sony not to mention all the other millions of game companies out there.
Tams
Member
I never said that it was the money from Games Pass that would lead to a decline in quality.
Here is the relevant part my comment that you quoted:
I'll add I think complacency will also creep in. Some devs not trying as hard as they have a (short term at least) guaranteed income.
You are both of those already with Netflix. Flops get hidden (no metrics released publicly either) and some directors/producers just phone it home.
Cyberpunkd
Member
Plus Gabe worked at Microsoft before starting Valve, if he didn’t sell for 25 years I doubt he will sell now.
Also the anti-trust would clearly require Microsoft to sell Steam business, and Valve’s value without it is zero.
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Synless
Member
Where did you get these? I never see that deal.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Post receipts for such an outlandish statement please
7m in a year is a great figure considering they’ve only released Flight Sim, Halo and Forza. What do you think will happen to this base number of 25m once TES, Fallout, Starfield and CoD start coming out? It will continue to increase obviously as people choose to subscribe rather than spend £60.Georges Chiellins
Member
Sometimes I wonder if I should look into subscribing. All I have that can run it is a shitty laptop.
Is there an option to download games and play them off that device? Similar to PSnow?
Is there an option to download games and play them off that device? Similar to PSnow?
adamsapple
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Game Pass ?
Yes, you can download games to your PC/Console.
Or, if you've got the Game Pass Ultimate subscription, you can use cloud streaming on just about any conventional browser etc.
octiny
Banned
Every single game is downloadable on Xbox or PC (actual library differs slightly between PC Gamepass & Xbox Gamepass), that is the main draw. Games can also be streamed instead as well via web browser, mobile device, Xbox, certain TV's etc
You'd want PC Gamepass if you want to use your laptop mainly. If you want streaming included as well (xCloud) then you want Gamepass Ultimate (PC Gamepass+Xbox Gamepass+xCloud+XBL Gold)
PC Gamepass in general is a great deal, since it includes EA Play games as well for the same price as Xbox Gamepass which doesn't include EA Play, unless you get Gamepass Ultimate.
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Chukhopops
Member
You can run a ton of GP PC games on a shitty laptop between indies and games that run on a potato. Also you can’t download games on PC from PSNow, it’s streaming only.
Pretty much every good recent indie has been on GP.
Sanepar
Member
Quality games are 80+ and they are not majority. A lot of 80-89 games on the service are leaving gamepass. That is the other problem with the service, games doesn't stay there and MS doesn't give u data about how long they will stay.Eh. More quality than trash.
adamsapple
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sigh ... not this sugar honey ice tea again ..
1. Games with 75 or above are considered 'favorably' reviewed on MC, i-e green check, i-e good, which is the wide majority of the games based on the picture.
2. For any games leaving the service, more get added as well, it's not a service which is counting down to 0 games. That's how subscriptions work.
3. MS tells you well in advance when games are leaving, sometimes a month or more. You find out what's leaving in the monthly announcements, there's a leaving soon section on the game pass website, and there's a leaving soon section on the game pass app on the console.
Ezquimacore
Banned
That's a lot of people making new accounts to abuse the $1 month.
Ezquimacore
Banned
You can use xcloud if you have internet, Better than psnow because you can resume your playthrough on your phone/tablet.
I think there’s a strong likelihood of better GP a subscriber growth in 2022.
We’ve known from MS that there’s good tracking between next gen console sales and Gamepass subscriptions. Especially with the Series S. Improved supply in 2023 is pretty much a given, and you’ll get more growth there.
Additionally, they’ll be going full steam ahead with their streaming apps on TV and possible smart stick.
It’ll be interesting to see what third party games they add to the service in H1 2022. and I’d expect a very good E3 this year with more of their upcoming stuff shown off as gameplay.
We’ve known from MS that there’s good tracking between next gen console sales and Gamepass subscriptions. Especially with the Series S. Improved supply in 2023 is pretty much a given, and you’ll get more growth there.
Additionally, they’ll be going full steam ahead with their streaming apps on TV and possible smart stick.
It’ll be interesting to see what third party games they add to the service in H1 2022. and I’d expect a very good E3 this year with more of their upcoming stuff shown off as gameplay.
Georges Chiellins
Member
Probably will test it then in the coming weeks, thanks!
DaGwaphics
Member
How would MS be any more of a monopoly in this clearly defined market than Valve already is?
I don't think the FTC/DOJ works the same for company's that become monopoly via normal growth vs a company that would be one via a mergers/acquisitions, one is inherently in their roles/responsibilities and one isn't really. They probably could look at Valve but it's feels very much an outlier if they do so.
I might need to look at the Humble Bundle games lawsuit against Valve to see what the Judge decided there in that case.
DaGwaphics
Member
It would just seem strange, because Valve holds no power over the PC platform other than their own popularity. When you look at the anti-trust grievances leveled at Apple and Google regarding the App stores, PC already allows everything that is being asked for in those cases. Anyone can create a PC store app, Anyone can sell an .exe directly from their website, alternate stores already exist. And their isn't even a great expense for distribution on PC, you or I could start a website for $20 and launch some indie game on it. So long as MS wasn't pre-bundling Steam with windows, I don't see how any real arguments could be made, short of just the government meddling (which is a thing obviously LOL).
The price protections thing is the only thing in the Humble Bundle lawsuit that seems reasonable at all to me. Basically, Humble is saying they want all the benefits of the Steam gaming platform without having to pay the commission via the store. That platform costs Valve real money to provide, I'm not sure why a game developer would feel themselves entitled to that for free.
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adamsapple
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Great numbers !
I am one of the 25m proud customers
Hi fellow green rat !
ReBurn
Gold Member
If you subscribe to game pass and cancel then after a few months Microsoft may serve up a new offer to join for a dollar for the first month. But you can't just keep getting consecutive months for a dollar. Unless you just keep making new Xbox accounts I guess.
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
Sony isnt picking up a publisher my dude. Lol. No....
Schmick
Member
You forgot to mention that games leaving Gamepass can be bought digitally at a discounted price.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Good looking out !
Yeah, you can buy any game on Game Pass before it leaves the service with a 20% discount. Along with getting 10 to 20% discount on most content on the XB store like DLC content anyway.
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Andodalf
Banned
This is the one thing that actually wouldn't pass antitrust most likely, MS would have too much control over the distribution of games software on windows.
eNT1TY
Member
I got 2 years for quite cheap, dunno how i feel about paying $15+ when that expires since i'm cheap. Will do so only on months where a game i want is dropping. I also don't see the price staying $15 in 2 years, if netflix can get away with charging $20 for a 4k sub MS can prolly get away with $20+ for ultimate and it would still be a hell of a deal. However I see a future where base games are even more barebones with even more reliance on season passes, cosmetics and DLC and paying for DLC on a game you don't own is a suckers game and also a good way to make you buy that "free" base game down the road once enough money was invested in it while simultaneously disincentivizing buying the base games at full price since it will be barebones. Gaming is chaging, not so much today but in 10 years things might be a shit show.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I hear ya.
One that does help is Home Sharing with a buddy. I do that and everything from digital games to subs plans work on both our systems. So everything is like 50% off. Only things that arent is if one of buys a game the other person balks at, that guy pays for it himself. But most stuff we just split it. Or if it's some cheap games I buy I dont give a shit if he plays it or pays me.
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Banjo64
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Magic Carpet
Member
I'm still trying to figure out The Pedestrian. This game is harder than it looks.
Now there’s more stuff to distract me from puzzling out.
Now there’s more stuff to distract me from puzzling out.
manfestival
Member
I only subbed for the games in red(59-). All of the other games can suck a fat one.Eh. More quality than trash.
Fredrik
Member
Yet another example why critics reviews can be so wrong. They only show how the games are day 0. What’s the point? How many are even playing that version? And are the reviews updated? Nah, the launch state is displayed years later even for games with among the best post-launch updates ever.DriveClub and GT Sport fans rn…
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Welcome back Frank, hope you stick around
adamsapple
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Real talk, you can find some of the most interesting games in the 70~ MC review range. Games which break convention and don't just do the same thing every successful game tries to emulate.