OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Nope. Just spinning like a record baby.At least he's not posting disinformation from random console warriors on Twitter
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Papacheeks
Banned
I love all the triggered, and LOL emoji's from the all the Die hard Green Roaches.
Never change guys. I'll just keep you on ignore. Keep living in fantasy land and dont held Xbox/Phil accountable for how they manage software. Just open your mouths and eat what they give.
Everyone should be asking more of Microsoft after they sold you the "so called, brighter future for Xbox". They have a great service now, it should not be the focus though, the games should be. But everyone seems ok with Mediocre experiences as long as Microsoft spends money for Madden, MLB right?
If this was Nintendo I tell you people would have given up on them like they did on Wii U. But they keep promising. Obsidian is looking better and better as a much stronger developer than anything Microsoft builds.
Never change guys. I'll just keep you on ignore. Keep living in fantasy land and dont held Xbox/Phil accountable for how they manage software. Just open your mouths and eat what they give.
Everyone should be asking more of Microsoft after they sold you the "so called, brighter future for Xbox". They have a great service now, it should not be the focus though, the games should be. But everyone seems ok with Mediocre experiences as long as Microsoft spends money for Madden, MLB right?
If this was Nintendo I tell you people would have given up on them like they did on Wii U. But they keep promising. Obsidian is looking better and better as a much stronger developer than anything Microsoft builds.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Sure you do.
Riky
$MSFT
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Yes? Your blind and sad devotion to the xbox brand is quite obvious to the point I think you might be a paid shill. Tell me all about your Playstation collection though.?
You doubting that
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I only say it for this specific studio as they have had issues and theres been rumours that square want to sell them after Avengers. I don’t think studios should just be bought willy nilly. CD have had a great relationship with MS in the past, that’s my only reason for that comment here.
I would rather MS get them that tencent, that’s all.
Riky
$MSFT
Says the person who is in every Xbox thread trolling away tirelessly.
Since your so confident I'll post my collection up, take a perma ban bet with you. See what balls you have
oldergamer
Member
Officially adding you to the ignore list. Thanks warrior.
yurinka
Member
His twitter bio says Gaming Editor at Windows Central, co-host of the Xbox Two Podcast, covering Xbox, Microsoft. Seems pretty unbiased.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Idk if people need to be "worried", though. What apparently happened is that some Initiative dudes were unhappy that Crystal Dynamics was running the show and they had no say in it. Maybe Microsoft promised them much more creative freedom and now they found themselves to be just a cog in the Crystal Dynamics machine, so they left. This doesn't mean the game is in trouble though, it's just gonna be a Crystal Dynamics game.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Why? I'm doing just fine. Post it or don't. Your fanboyism is off the charts regardless. You call what I do trolling but I only argue with facts or logic. I don't post misinformation. I don't get emotional and put people on ignore. I've probably given MS more money over the years than you have. I simply have no reason to own one of their consoles anymore.
Riky
$MSFT
Exactly, Gallagher has commented already,
"It’s no small task to build a studio and reinvent a beloved franchise. In creating The Initiative, we set out to leverage co-development partnerships to achieve our ambitions, and we’re really excited about all the progress we’re seeing with our relationship with Crystal Dynamics.
In this journey, it’s not uncommon for there to be staffing changes, especially during a time of global upheaval over the last two years, and there’s plenty more work in front of us to deliver a fantastic Perfect Dark experience to our players.
We wish all our former colleagues the very best, and I’m confident in the team we have in place, the new talent joining, and we can’t wait to share more with the fans."
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
You’re literally the first and hopefully last person I’m putting on an ignore list. You are attacking
Riky
none stop and by looking at your post history you literally bombard any and every Xbox thread you can with trolling bullshit. You are one of the biggest Sony warriors here.I doubt you will be here too long if you keep it up. Peace.
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Riky
$MSFT
Thought so, none at all.
Doesn't have an Xbox but is in every thread trolling, that's a pretty sad existence.
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Nope. Sold my one x a few years back once they started putting everything on PC. I've been a member of PC gamepass since day one. Great value. DO you own a ps5? Honestly.
Riky
$MSFT
You keep doubting what I own, I'll take a perma ban bet with you, man up behind your words.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Come on now. I'm not going to take that bait. I have no way of verifying if what you would post could be yours. You can use your words though. What's your favorite PlayStation game of the last few years?
Papacheeks
Banned
Your one to talk with your post history specifically recently. At least a lot of us are consistent with our opinions and outlook on how we view this industry.
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Riky
$MSFT
I'll put a note with my username here and yours on the photos, you called me a paid shill, so back it up.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I've literally never gone into an xbox thread to troll. I have a little fun in some of the df stuff but that's no different than anyone else. The only xbox specific thread I participate in is anything related to gamepass. Which is a great service that I pay money for but you do you.You’re literally the first and hopefully last person I’m putting on an ignore list. You are attacking
I doubt you will be here too long if you keep it up. Peace.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
yurinka
Member
To be fair, I think there is no reason to worry about the game or the studio. The timings are ok with being in the early stages offull production as they said a few months ago and all AAA games outsource work to several studios, which when famous it's called instead "co-develop". People leaving is normal with covid or also due to random personal reasons or due to someone being fired. California also has many top AAA studios, which all of them are also aggresively hiring because every generation they need more staff, plus now with remote work being more popular anyone from even other country can hire them.
Everybody can be replaced, in AAA games there are thousands of people working in a game. I mean, some people thinks that Miyamoto continues desigining and directing the Mario games.
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StealthGoblin
Banned
It’s clear that things haven’t gone to plan. With CD on board (and certain affinity) I think that the creative direction is at CD now which is why there was an exodus.
I understand the tactical move of positioning this to take devs from Santa Monica, Insomniac and Naughty Dog, but it hasn’t paid off and they haven’t retained.
Zeroing
Banned
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Crystal Dynamics is owned by Square right? I don't understand why some are calling for MS to buy them then. That would be super unlikely. A Japanese company isn't going to sell to a US one.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
If you get proven wrong on something you just posted, shouldn't you accept some criticism if it's pointed out it was totally exaggerated and wrong?
Papacheeks
Banned
I have faith in Crystal Dynamics as even with blunders they can build a game. I mean avengers isn't great but I heard the campaign story was actually good. Tomb raider games are pretty great. Thats not the issue most level headed people have.
The bigger issue is this studio was literally built to be what Crystal is basically. I understand having 50-80 people is unrealistic for full on Production. Thats not what the community and people who follow the industry are concerned about.
What we are concerned about is it took 5 years to basically make this kind of call. The same thing happened at 343I and to an extent has happened under Rare for Everwild, let alone how long it took for their last game which was SOT. I think the issue is XBox didn't want Toxic culture which there were for some of their studios. Turn 10, pLayground, Coalition seem fine in terms of making things under stricter dead lines. So they seem safe. Although I hope we see Fable this year. If not then to me I hope when they do show it, it's being released within 6 months because they announced Fable in 2017.
Microsoft needs to understand to get to where other people are team wise where they can create what ever they want, still adhere to type of milestone deadline. As in is the prototype playable, have you got characters/story written. And if not you need to know when to change gears.
Like having a backup project that the studio was throwing idea's around on. Which is how Nintendo, Sony do things for the most part. Sony has totally canned lots of projects. But usually its because they could not meet milestones so they canned it moved on to something else.
Microsoft seems 100% hands off to the point that a studio will have nothing to show of substance than miss milestones and Microsoft doesn't bat an eye until there's a negative reaction within the studio/media, or audience aka Halo.
It's not a good look for people to only look forward to the studios you bought and not the ones you internally created/Nurtured over the course of gens.
I mean with CD behind it I'm super optimistic they make quality games. But a lot of people within Redmond wont be laughing. Because this shows that they cant manage studios/projects. Which has been their entire issue over the past generations. And thats not a good look that you have to look forward to outside studios to make your games.
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Craig of War
Banned
If the price is right Square is better off selling CD as CD last game bombed hard and Square money maker is Final Fantasy and their Japanese division not really the western europe gaming division & MS has unlimited money so if they make Square a offer for CD that is too good i can see Square selling them CD
Stuart360
Member
I mean i'm pretty sure The Initiative will be making the decisions, directing the game, with CD basically helping to build the game as 50 staff (or whatever it is cant build a AAA game).
I was waiting for that though and i can see the inevitable coming a mile off. If the game ends up shit - Its down to The Initiative, if the game ends up good - its down to CD and nothing to do with The Initiative.
The preictability of it all can be mind numbing at times.
Papacheeks
Banned
Well all leadership left dude? So CD is running the show. Main director left.
So now they need to either poach talent from CD to stay after PD is made or they have to hire more people to replace the people who left. Which I think will happen after this change over and the game is in a good place.
Riky
$MSFT
Exactly, it was pretty obvious that a team that size was not producing an AAA game in any reasonable time frame, it was always the plan to collaborate later with a bigger studio as they've been saying.
As long as the they do the franchise justice it doesn't really matter in the end.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
One thing we can all agree on is how incredible the soundtrack was for the original game. Are they going to get Grant for the new one?
Stuart360
Member
Well i think the major decisions with the game have probably already been done. The story, the structure of the game, the progression of the campaign, etc, and thats why CD were brought on board now as the game is locked in place and ready to be fully built.
Although i dont know if we ever got any confirmation from Phil etc, but i'm sure a support studio was always intended to be brought on board for this game to help with building the actual game as 50-70 staff simply cant make a AAA size game, not unless they had like a 10-15 year dev window lol.
Papacheeks
Banned
But the report is saying Soft Reboot? So probably basic story and characters things like that are probably staying. But systems like animation stuff like that are probably being thrown out. Soft Reboot means engine/tools and outline stuff will be used. But a lot of customizations to the game engine/systems will probably get changed.
Who knows if structure of what they originally wanted to do and make it episodic is changing too?
I mean this game is easily 3-4 years away now you know that right?
Stuart360
Member
Well we will see. I havent really been following the story but wasnt the 'soft reboot' thing just a rumour?, from Twitter of all places.
I think we just need to see what happens. If i'm kind of right then the game really should come within the next couple of years. If all this Twitter drama is true then like you said the game will be 3-4 years out, maybe even longer.
I'm just saying that IF the intention was always to bring a support studio on board to help with actually building the game, you would do that when the structure of the game is pinned down and devs can go straight into building.
Kokoloko85
Member
…….
If you dont “participate” Im sure you’ll leave a laugh emoji or like for comments you like/dislike.
I cant be the only that noticed right?
You act like you dont bait or troll but you do….
Riky
dont go to the mods complaining about baiting u little goody 2 shoes…. I dont “participate”
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Kokoloko85
Member
I dont know how accurate this is?
Papacheeks
Banned
This is from VGC, and they have multiple people on record talking about where the project was. Which was close to nowhere outside of prototyping. They had a early prototype they had phil and higher ups play that they I guess were excited about. But didn't make any progress after that, so they brought in CD and the rest of the studio was kind of pissed off. SO they bolted.
Now without main lead, CD will lead project. ANd most likely since the previous lead use to be from CD i assume they went over scope of work, and where to start all that.
But a soft reboot means because CD's workflow is their own in how they accomplish software development more than likely they are implementing their own systems to make development work for their teams. Which usually means throwing some stuff out or starting over. As in new lighting engine, possible new engine that they are more use too ect.
Do not expect a deep dive look from PD this E3. Who knows what shape it was in? Pre-alpha? Or maybe it was literally still just vertical slice?
Riky
$MSFT
…….
If you dont “participate” Im sure you’ll leave a laugh emoji or like for comments you like/dislike.
I cant be the only that noticed right?
You act like you dont bait or troll but you do….
Strange obsession with me, best put me on ignore.
Riky
$MSFT
"Soft reboot" could mean anything really, even just a story direction change. It doesn't say to me anything about changing the fundamentals.
Kokoloko85
Member
Maybe put me on the ignore list.
I enjoy it. As long as you keep liking my posts Ill do the same
Keep acting goodie goodie tho. “Please mods, there being mean to me” Ill just go and laugh at there comments tho….
Much?
Hobbygaming
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You don't find that approach kind of odd? Why not build a traditional 350 - 450 head studio around the elite talent that you have
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Probably a giant waste of money to pay the other 300 people to do nothing for several years while they figure out what to make. They may scale up to that level eventually, but on a first project it kind of makes sense to go this route.
Hobbygaming
has been asked to post in 'Grounded' mode.
It's very accurate, I was going to post the same info here in a different formatI dont know how accurate this is?
Papacheeks
Banned
No. It makes more sense to do what they did with the 50-80 people have them make a small game to get their juices flowing to see what works and what doesn't studio wise. Like make a small arcade title, like a throw back arcade bet-'em up or point and click adventure or something.
Then move on to something like PD.
By that time you will know who works well who doesn't and which style of development top to bottom or bottom up works.
Microsoft threw money to get the dream team without putting in the work. And that means starting small and slowly losing/gaining people over time as they work on something smaller scale. Microsoft paid big money bought the best talent throughout the industry, "then just said have at it".
Doesn't work like that.
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Banjo64
cumsessed
I like the idea that someone on here touted yesterday. (Or
Papacheeks
right above this comment)
Rather than going all in on the ‘AAAA’ project and the burden of a beloved IP, they should have spent their initial 5-10 years developing smaller games: AA or indie in scope. Games similar to Ori or A Plague Tale. Find out where everyone fits in within the team, develop a good working culture/natural chain of command etc.
Papacheeks
right above this comment)Rather than going all in on the ‘AAAA’ project and the burden of a beloved IP, they should have spent their initial 5-10 years developing smaller games: AA or indie in scope. Games similar to Ori or A Plague Tale. Find out where everyone fits in within the team, develop a good working culture/natural chain of command etc.
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
Lots of studios besides MS owned studios try to start with a large game first. It has nothing to do with MS "not putting in the work." I personally tend to think that a small game is a safer option like you suggested, but you see Jade Raymond's new studio, and that new Sony ex-Call of Duty studio (Deviation I think?) starting up and moving into larger games as well. Respawn did that as well.
From the outside looking in, all we can really say is that it didn't work out this time. But Sony is doing the same thing honestly. It's not like it's an inherently flawed approach. Deviation is around 100 people now I think.
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