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[THE DUCK]

So we are months into the launch of playstation premium, and one of the perks is supposed to be game demos. But 3 months after release and nba2k23 doesn't cut it. And neither does Rollerdrome.

Ones that are conspicuously missing.....considering sony controls and owns these and could do a timed demo in like 20 seconds of work:

- GT7
- Ratchet and Clank
- Gow Ragnorok
- Sackboy
- Last of us part I

And sony could easily offer other companies some increased expose on the store for games like Elden Ring, Stray, Sifu. We need more Sony - to make this something worth talking about/paying for.

 

[Esca]

Iirc games released once the new service went live from then on would need to provide a demo if they were like $34.99 and up and the publisher of that game has up to 90 days i think from release to put the trail out.

Could be totally wrong, pretty high atm

 

[TheDrunkenMerchant]

Saints Row came out ~95 days ago. Every game on the PlayStation store over $30 needs a demo within 90 days of release. Sony lied. PS Premium is shit.

And of course it's 90 days: Just long enough to fix a completely broken game which would've made the demo/trial service actually worth it in preventing you from wasting $60+ dollars.

 

[Aenima]

If you post this on Sony Playstation blog, maybe they can hear your feedback.

 

[remember_spinal]

People complained about poor devs so they didn’t end up doing it



I’m actually not sure why they’re not doing it, it seems like there were a bunch of heresay reports that were never confirmed by sony themselves. They said timed demos would be part of premium but the “every game over x amount will have a demo” was never confirmed.

 

[feynoob]

People complained about poor devs so they didn’t end up doing it



I’m actually not sure why they’re not doing it, it seems like there were a bunch of heresay reports that were never confirmed by sony themselves. They said timed demos would be part of premium but the “every game over x amount will have a demo” was never confirmed.

Demos take time, which take away important time from production to marketing.

We won't see anything about it until 2023. That is when MS would try to release theirs too. Which could make Sony push more for these demo.

Until then, no devs is willing to lose those time, and resources for something, which is only exclusive to a minor subs.

 

[remember_spinal]

Demos take time, which take away important time from production to marketing.

We won't see anything about it until 2023. That is when MS would try to release theirs too. Which could make Sony push more for these demo.

Until then, no devs is willing to lose those time, and resources for something, which is only exclusive to a minor subs.

Part of the initial leaks were that sony were the ones making the demos not the devs. Then people complained about gated demos. Like most things that leak about sony it wasn’t popular and now it doesn’t matter cause we aren’t getting them either way so premium is even more of a waste of money

 

[TexMex]

Where is they!

 

[THE DUCK]

Demos take time, which take away important time from production to marketing.

We won't see anything about it until 2023. That is when MS would try to release theirs too. Which could make Sony push more for these demo.

Until then, no devs is willing to lose those time, and resources for something, which is only exclusive to a minor subs.

Making thier own 2 or 5 hrs timed demo takes almost no time or resources. Like one person and a day.

 

[feynoob]

Making thier own 2 or 5 hrs timed demo takes almost no time or resources. Like one person and a day.

How? Is it really that easy?

 

[FrankWza]

Making thier own 2 or 5 hrs timed demo takes almost no time or resources. Like one person and a day.

Send in your resume

 

[GhostOfTsu]

Making thier own 2 or 5 hrs timed demo takes almost no time or resources. Like one person and a day.

Hey dvdvideo, I remember you. People were so against the demos there was a huge thread here so I guess Sony had to drop the plan about mandatory demos

 

[Fbh]

Does ps+ premium offer a wide selection of demos? No.

But does it offer a rich and expansive selection of retro games? Also no.

 

[Topher]

I totally forgot that Premium demos were ever even a thing.

 

[ZehDon]

Subscribing to... play demoes?

 

[Topher]

Subscribing to... play demoes?

Premium is a hard pass for me. Extra seems like a decent deal at $99 annually. But I'm up for renewal in February and right now I'm having a hard time seeing myself renewing.

 

[ManaByte]

Same place our PS One classics are.

 

[ReBurn]

Premium is a hard pass for me. Extra seems like a decent deal at $99 annually. But I'm up for renewal in February and right now I'm having a hard time seeing myself renewing.

Until you get Extra and see that they save all of the good games for Premium. If you're going to pay the money just get the one that actually has the games you think you're going to get with Extra.

 

[Topher]

Until you get Extra and see that they save all of the good games for Premium. If you're going to pay the money just get the one that actually has the games you think you're going to get with Extra.

I'm not following what you are saying. Premium pretty much just adds PS Now (and classics). Everything else in the game catalog is the same between Extra and Premium.

Either way, I'm not really interested in most of which is offered so that why I'm probably not renewing.

 

[ReBurn]

I'm not following what you are saying. Premium pretty much just adds PS Now (and classics). Everything else in the game catalog is the same between Extra and Premium.

Either way, I'm not really interested in most of which is offered so that why I'm probably not renewing.

Actually everything isn't the same. There are games that you don't get with Extra, at least not at first. Sony doesn't make it very clear. When I first upgraded my PS Plus to Extra I couldn't play Returnal. It was marked as Premium and unlocked when I upgraded again.

 

[Topher]

Actually everything isn't the same. There are games that you don't get with Extra, at least not at first. Sony doesn't make it very clear. When I first upgraded my PS Plus to Extra I couldn't play Returnal. It was marked as Premium and unlocked when I upgraded again.

This article talks about Returnal being in Extra back in April a couple weeks after the new PS+ was announced.

Why PlayStation Plus Extra Is the Perfect Home for Returnal

Returnal's inclusion as part of PlayStation Plus Extra will help it gain the success its stellar gameplay deserves by making it available risk-free.

www.cbr.com

Do you have a current example of a PS+ Premium game that isn't streaming or classic catalog that isn't on Extra?

 

[ZehDon]

Actually everything isn't the same. There are games that you don't get with Extra, at least not at first. Sony doesn't make it very clear. When I first upgraded my PS Plus to Extra I couldn't play Returnal. It was marked as Premium and unlocked when I upgraded again.

That seems pretty terrible to me.

 

[adamsapple]

I totally forgot that Premium demos were ever even a thing.

So did Sony, hell they forgot about supporting the Premium tier almost completely.

 

[Topher]

So did Sony, hell they forgot about supporting the Premium tier almost completely.

They should have just had two tiers. Premium is useless, imo.

 

[GhostOfTsu]

So did Sony, hell they forgot about supporting the Premium tier almost completely.

Are you enjoying your PS5?

 

[ReBurn]

That seems pretty terrible to me.

Here's a recent reddit thread that explains what I experienced when I first upgraded.



My console wouldn't let me download some games at the Extra tier and told me they were Premium only when I tried to install them, but other people apparently didn't have any trouble doing it. Once I upgraded to Premium I didn't have any issues.

 

[Investor9872]

I'm still wondering where are our Premium PS1 games, Legend of Dragoons and Jeanne d"arc.

 

[THE DUCK]

How? Is it really that easy?

They seriously change nothing on the code of the game, it's just an online time tracker.
I'm probably underestimating how long it takes.

 

[THE DUCK]

Hey dvdvideo, I remember you. People were so against the demos there was a huge thread here so I guess Sony had to drop the plan about mandatory demos

Thats me, I was one of the few people who liked the idea......
Mandatory was maybe heavy handed, but no doubt there could be a middle ground where Sony offered some sort of compensation or advertising space in exchange. Though I'm actually kind of surprised companies see no value in letting people at least try games, at least when you know you have a good product. Regardless, I really don't get why Sony isn't supporting it for first party games.

 

[Kagey K]

Basically Permium is only worth it if you are OK with streaming or care about the few games that came out on PS3 and got remastered for ps4 (Gow3, Uncharted, Beyond, Jak and Dexter)

Otherwise it's garbage.

 

[Topher]

Here's a recent reddit thread that explains what I experienced when I first upgraded.



My console wouldn't let me download some games at the Extra tier and told me they were Premium only when I tried to install them, but other people apparently didn't have any trouble doing it. Once I upgraded to Premium I didn't have any issues.

This sounds like some sort of weird bug or glitch. The guy you are quoting is clearly listing games that are available on PS+ Extra.

Considering Sony's technical incompetence with the upgrade pricing that was reported, this isn't surprising really.

 

[Nankatsu]

Premium is hot garbage. And I'm one of those bozzos who binged the premium tier, in hopes it would get better in the future.

I'm stuck there for an year since I buy my PSN subscription yearly. If it doesn't get better I'll just roll out to Extra.

 

[tommib]

Premium is hot garbage. And I'm one of those bozzos who binged the premium tier, in hopes it would get better in the future.

I'm stuck there for a year since I buy my PSN subscription yearly. If it doesn't get better I'll just roll out to Extra.

Premium is terrible. And the game trials they have in there are for games I have no interest in. It’s weird that their first party games are not on the game trials (there’s forbidden west for people who want to look at pretty plants). The whole thing seems poorly managed.

 

[Three]

So we are months into the launch of playstation premium, and one of the perks is supposed to be game demos. But 3 months after release and nba2k23 doesn't cut it. And neither does Rollerdrome.

Isn't there
- Horizon Forbidden West,
- MLB The Show 22,
- Cyberpunk 2077,
- WWE 2k22,
- Biomutant
- Tiny Tina's Wonderland
- Uncharted Legacy of Thieves
etc?

Those I've tried/seen. It's not just NBA2k23 and Rollerdrome is it? I wouldn't be complaining if they add more but expecting Ragnarok in particular right now is a bit wishful.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

What demos? Demos take time...the idea were game trials. Basically you start the game and have 2 hours or 5 hours to play it and the game is locked after that. That's it. That way you don't give extra hours of work to the devs.

I'll try Cyberpunk this way one of these days to see if it's worth 10 euros lmao.

 

[Godot25]

Considering how easy was it for Sony to "slam dunk" it, I'm baffled, how they bungled whole re-lauch of PlayStation Plus.

Don't get me wrong, Extra is solid. But to be honest, support after initial wave of new games (which was excellent) is just sad. No new "day-one" game like Stray, buch of pretty bad Ubisoft games etc.
Also there is a whole thing that even some of the non-PS3/PS2/PSOne/PSP games are for some reason part of Premium and not Extra tier. Why? It should be straight - all PS5/PS4 games are in Extra tier, and all PS3/PS2/PSOne/PSP Games are in Premium tier.

And Premium support is just pathetic at this point. Launch was bad because whole PAL/NTSC thing which should have been solved before launch of service (I can't believe that Sony did not know that thanks to PS Classic mini console). And support with next wave of games is almost non existent. And streaming is just bad at this point in time. And demo additions are almost non-existent.

It's just a confusing mess. Which is pretty sad since Sony had a blueprint for quality service, even without first-party games, since we know that they are not willing to do that. And also they have literally everything necesarry to build a great service. But it seems like Sony created this "new" PS Plus just to silence all people who were bitching that they don't have Game Pass style service. As a reaction. Without deep thought or strategy. And also with mantra "as cheap as possible" so people won't leave PlayStation ecosystem for Game Pass but without need to invest significant amount of money into service.

 

[Revolutionary]

Yeah, as a new PS5 owner, I was surprised that R&C wasn't available for trial. Good thing it's on sale for like $20 thanks to Black Friday. But, considering how short it is (already on the final mission after like 15 hours), I guess I can understand why they didn't give R&C a trial.

But yeah, nothing else interests me and/or I already played it on PC or PS4, so I've yet to utilize this Premium feature.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

What's premium?

I'm only aware of essential, extra and donation

 

[Elios83]

The problem with these perks (same with PS1/PS2 classics) is that it's left for developers to do the necessary work.
But without a proper return no one bothers.
At this point the only case where Premium makes sense is if you're interested in the cloud/streaming functionalities, otherwise stay with Extra which is great value or Essential for basic multiplayer access.

 

[mdkirby]

premium is mostly useful for when friends kids with short attention spans visit. They can stream tons of games at the push of a button, without needing to fill my hard drive with stuff I'll be unlikely to ever play myself. So it serves a purpose, even if its pretty....niche.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

The problem with these perks (same with PS1/PS2 classics) is that it's left for developers to do the necessary work.
But without a proper return no one bothers.
At this point the only case where Premium makes sense is if you're interested in the cloud/streaming functionalities, otherwise stay with Extra which is great value or Essential for basic multiplayer access.

That's actually one thing i don't get when thinking about Sony's decision with these 3 tiers...they basically have the streaming option locked behind their most expensive tier.

About people criticizing the Extra tier. Have you seen everything in there? Every month they actually include quite a lot of stuff.

 

[Elios83]

That's actually one thing i don't get when thinking about Sony's decision with these 3 tiers...they basically have the streaming option locked behind their most expensive tier.

About people criticizing the Extra tier. Have you seen everything in there? Every month they actually include quite a lot of stuff.

I think that in general many people here or among core gamers were willing to pay for Premium just for classics.
But the main point behind the tier is actually cloud gaming and the old PSnow funcionalities. The rest is an extra that so far has objectively not delivered but it's not the main reason behind the existence of Premium.

Extra has been great so far and is a really good deal if you don't mind playing stuff day one.

 

[Saber]

I'm more concerned about what the fuck happened with the PS1 and PSP emulation titles.

Did these guys forgot this already? What the heck is wrong with them?

 

[crackajack]

How? Is it really that easy?

Every Extra/Premium PS+ Download has an end date (14 days in the future, until the game is removed from the service and refreshing the date doesn't happen anymore when connecting to the PSN), Essential games too, your subscription end date. Games stop working after that.
How much time you are in a game is monitored already too.
Sony has that already figured out.
How would creating a stopwatch function, that just creates a dynamic end date by measuring your time spent in game, be much work on top of that?
Expiration dates of games are already flexible and dynamically refreshed and this should be easy to link to your game time.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Whenever Sony announces features, it’s always like “here is what is coming over the entire lifecycle of said project/subscription.”

Except they don’t really make that clear.

 

[Elios83]

I'm more concerned about what the fuck happened with the PS1 and PSP emulation titles.

Did these guys forgot this already? What the heck is wrong with them?

I think the answer is that there is no team dedicated and financed to do that.
It's up to individual publishers/developers to sort out the publishing issues, test the game again with the new emulator, debug the whole thing and so on. Given there's probably very little economical return to do that no one is bothering.
It's pretty much what happened already with Ps2 Classics on PS4.

 

[b0uncyfr0]

They're coming but you've gotta pay for it.

 

[ManaByte]

I think the answer is that there is no team dedicated and financed to do that.
It's up to individual publishers/developers to sort out the publishing issues, test the game again with the new emulator, debug the whole thing and so on. Given there's probably very little economical return to do that no one is bothering.
It's pretty much what happened already with Ps2 Classics on PS4.

So where are the first party games.

 

[Doczu]

This article talks about Returnal being in Extra back in April a couple weeks after the new PS+ was announced.

Why PlayStation Plus Extra Is the Perfect Home for Returnal

Returnal's inclusion as part of PlayStation Plus Extra will help it gain the success its stellar gameplay deserves by making it available risk-free.

www.cbr.com

Do you have a current example of a PS+ Premium game that isn't streaming or classic catalog that isn't on Extra?

Crysis Remastered and Carmageddon - top of my head. I upgraded to extra and can't play those.

EU user. And that would be comical if those games are streaming only...

 

[K' Dash]

premium is mostly useful for when friends kids with short attention spans visit. They can stream tons of games at the push of a button, without needing to fill my hard drive with stuff I'll be unlikely to ever play myself. So it serves a purpose, even if its pretty....niche.

I’ll be dead the day anyone other than me touches my PS5, and I say that as a father of two.