Goalus
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Fellow Green Rats, what would you prefer?
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
competent at what exactly? new yakuza looks hype as hell and Persona's been generating craptons of sales
In Cold Blood
Banned
Nah, xbox peeps took the Green Rats tag with a bit of fun. Sony fans take alot of offence at being called Ponies.
PendekarRajawali
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Nintendo would do harakiri than bought by somebody else.
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Hoddi
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I'm glad that they're upping their game (they need to) but I'd be lying if I said that MS buying Activision didn't make me a bit uncomfortable. This level of consolidation is just a bit too much for my tastes.
I don't have any strong opinion on it though. But I can definitely see how it could be dangerous from a competitive standpoint. I wouldn't have blinked if it had been Square or Platinum or FromSoft but Activision is just that goddamn big.
I don't have any strong opinion on it though. But I can definitely see how it could be dangerous from a competitive standpoint. I wouldn't have blinked if it had been Square or Platinum or FromSoft but Activision is just that goddamn big.
Topher
Gold Member
I'm not going through all that mess. I really do not understand how someone can be that triggered over such a simple comment. At no point did I say Xbox studios do not have or have not created games so your diatribe is irrelevant. The problem I have is their lack of consistently in producing games on a regular basis. I'm looking at 2022 and there is next to nothing from Xbox first party. But it goes beyond this year. Providing a steady stream of games has been a problem for Xbox for quite some time. 2021 was great, but it was the exception, not the norm. As an Xbox owner, I expect more. And I have high expectations for 2023 with Starfield and Redfall. When Microsoft delivers those games I will praise them for it, but there is little to praise right now.
You can disagree all you want. But you know who agrees with me? Phil Spencer.
"As an industry we have fewer games this holiday than we've had in a while, when you just think about the launches. Call of Duty is coming, God of War is coming, which is great — Nintendo's had a good year. But in general I would say we've been a little light," Spencer said on the videocast.
"But I look at 2023 and there's a great line-up of games coming that I'm excited about. Getting our first real Xbox first-party games out of Bethesda, having them ship Redfall and Starfield, will be a lot of fun."
Phil Spencer Admits Xbox Needs More "Big First-Party Games"
It's not been a big year for Xbox first party releases, but Phil Spencer is looking ahead to 2023.
www.thegamer.com
As do Xbox fans when called "Xbots". The rats reference is a GAF thing and everyone enjoys the humor of it (both green and blue). It doesn't come across as childish console warrior insults like Ponies or Xbots.
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MarkMe2525
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It would be cool to get Diablo and CoD campaigns on gamepass, but there are obviously other uses for that money.
begotten
Member
Are you really going to list developers who Sony helped make their games for and had strong relationships with even before the last 10 years - hence why they were bought for pennies, because they have had this long-term partnership approach.
This acquisition comparison doesn't help your case.
The Tourmaline Gorilla
Banned
That's a great question. Ideally, I'd prefer they spent that money on developing new studios, IP's and technology.
Though, I also understand why they're going this way; there are no real guarantees in making such investments, but the rewards can be...unpredictable. While I think they'll still be putting some effort into creating new studios (and more specifically, new IPs), predictability lends to certainty. And while CoD is a huge win that can almost guarantee certain numbers, what King has been able to do on mobile is another huge benefit that few can replicate in the mobile space, starting fresh.
So, on one hand, ideally, I'd have loved if they put all that money into building and developing new studios/IPs, I also understand why they want to fast-track their advantage in market share and sales in certain business models and platforms.
Though, I also understand why they're going this way; there are no real guarantees in making such investments, but the rewards can be...unpredictable. While I think they'll still be putting some effort into creating new studios (and more specifically, new IPs), predictability lends to certainty. And while CoD is a huge win that can almost guarantee certain numbers, what King has been able to do on mobile is another huge benefit that few can replicate in the mobile space, starting fresh.
So, on one hand, ideally, I'd have loved if they put all that money into building and developing new studios/IPs, I also understand why they want to fast-track their advantage in market share and sales in certain business models and platforms.
Kagey K
Banned
With the money the make from this giant revenue source they will be able to find a ton of devs and studios down the line.
You might not like the games Activision makes, but you can't deny the revenue they bring.
All this does is help add to the war chest, and the more money Xbox makes the more Natella, will find them.
You might not like the games Activision makes, but you can't deny the revenue they bring.
All this does is help add to the war chest, and the more money Xbox makes the more Natella, will find them.
Kagey K
Banned
Problem is starting all these new studios and new technologies is a 10 year investment with no return.
It leads to another 10 years of Xbox has no games and more declined engagement.
This gives Xbox an immediate boost in market, mind, and revenue, while continuing to do the other investments behind the scenes.
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
I want Call Of Duty on GamePass. That's all.
Fredrik
Member
Not sure I qualify as a rat but I like Xbox and I have a green avatar so I’ll sneak in a vote:
Pull out!
And use the money elsewhere. Grow your studios. Build motion capture studios. Build VR studios.
Buy Asobo, or simply pay them to make a combat sim of Flight Simulator.
Crawl back on your knees to Moon and pay them to make a new Ori.
Pay Bandai Namco to have the Soul Calibur team make a new Killer Instinct.
Pull out!
And use the money elsewhere. Grow your studios. Build motion capture studios. Build VR studios.
Buy Asobo, or simply pay them to make a combat sim of Flight Simulator.
Crawl back on your knees to Moon and pay them to make a new Ori.
Pay Bandai Namco to have the Soul Calibur team make a new Killer Instinct.
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Torrent of Pork
Banned
If it's all about what I want it's the coke bender of smaller studios that I care about. That being said I understand how King bulldozes MS's way into the mobile market. Like it or not we're all dinosaurs who don't contribute anywhere near to the bottom line as mobile whales, and if those whales want to subsidize the development of things I care about them all I can say is squeeze.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
In an ideal world I would completely go with your suggestions and request that they lock in deals to make gamepass improve each year. More exclusive big day one games on gamepass but not withholding from the Sony userbase, similar to what happened with plagues tale.
But yes, asobo needs purchasing, crystal dynamics etc. Studios they have history with.
More importantly, get high quality products out of the studios they currently own.
2023 better be an absolute belter.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
Only if we get to call you guys Pony Pigs, since you guys get so much satisfaction from paying.
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nightmare-slain
Member
This is Microsoft we're talking about here. One of the richest and most successful companies in the world.
Why not both?
They'll buy Activision and once all the dust has settled they'll spend more money on either more studios or buying out another big publisher.
$68 billion is pocket change to them. They have fuck you money. If you think they are going to stop with Activision then you're in for a shock.
Why not both?
They'll buy Activision and once all the dust has settled they'll spend more money on either more studios or buying out another big publisher.
$68 billion is pocket change to them. They have fuck you money. If you think they are going to stop with Activision then you're in for a shock.
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ahtlas7
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nightmare-slain
Member
It'll happen soon I'm sure. Isn't the deal meant to finish early mid next year? If so I wouldn't be surprised if next years CoD is on Gamepass. $70 on PS5.
GHG
Member
Nah, the purchase of Ricardo Cardoso would be far better value.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Don't buy anything. MS has enough.
With that said, I have no idea what MS has in mind with Acti-Blizz purchase.
Maybe a necessity cause most game companies are small enough to be acquisition target from Meta, Amazon, Google etc. They clearly have interest in gaming.
Last thing I want is consoles going away or streaming only future. So whatever needs to be done to that end.
With that said, I have no idea what MS has in mind with Acti-Blizz purchase.
Maybe a necessity cause most game companies are small enough to be acquisition target from Meta, Amazon, Google etc. They clearly have interest in gaming.
Last thing I want is consoles going away or streaming only future. So whatever needs to be done to that end.
GHG
Member
vaibhavpisal
Member
The question is flawed in a big way imo, there isn't an easy way to spend 68bn on other studios/ip. You end up being constrained in other ways, as you have limited man power to work on all of these deals.
My position as I don't care about COD games, I personally would take this deal to try and disrupt the mobile app store market. I am probably an outlier here.
My position as I don't care about COD games, I personally would take this deal to try and disrupt the mobile app store market. I am probably an outlier here.
Chukhopops
Member
What I really care for is MS buying Blizzard and doing something with all those IPs.
If the deal falls through then buy tons of small studios and prop them with budgets (like inXile).
If the deal falls through then buy tons of small studios and prop them with budgets (like inXile).
Fredrik
Member
I’d say it’s about owning, not paying.Only if we get to call you guys Pony Pigs, since you guys get so much satisfaction from paying.
I have a coworker who has to own all media he consumes, he still haven’t tried subbing to Spotify or Netflix or anything like that because he won’t own the content and then it’s not interesting. He still buy music CDs and Bluray movies and TV show boxes, not to get the best sound and video quality, it’s only about knowing that he owns it and knowing it’ll be there no matter what.
For me subscriptions work well, I can consume more media for less money and if I do want to own something late the price has dropped.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
In Cold Blood
Banned
There's a diffence between having a year with not many first party games dropping and saying that Microsoft needs to get their house in order.I'm not going through all that mess. I really do not understand how someone can be that triggered over such a simple comment. At no point did I say Xbox studios do not have or have not created games so your diatribe is irrelevant. The problem I have is their lack of consistently in producing games on a regular basis. I'm looking at 2022 and there is next to nothing from Xbox first party. But it goes beyond this year. Providing a steady stream of games has been a problem for Xbox for quite some time. 2021 was great, but it was the exception, not the norm. As an Xbox owner, I expect more. And I have high expectations for 2023 with Starfield and Redfall. When Microsoft delivers those games I will praise them for it, but there is little to praise right now.
You can disagree all you want. But you know who agrees with me? Phil Spencer.
"As an industry we have fewer games this holiday than we've had in a while, when you just think about the launches. Call of Duty is coming, God of War is coming, which is great — Nintendo's had a good year. But in general I would say we've been a little light," Spencer said on the videocast.
"But I look at 2023 and there's a great line-up of games coming that I'm excited about. Getting our first real Xbox first-party games out of Bethesda, having them ship Redfall and Starfield, will be a lot of fun."
Phil Spencer Admits Xbox Needs More "Big First-Party Games"
It's not been a big year for Xbox first party releases, but Phil Spencer is looking ahead to 2023.
As do Xbox fans when called "Xbots". The rats reference is a GAF thing and everyone enjoys the humor of it (both green and blue). It doesn't come across as childish console warrior insults like Ponies or Xbots.
You might want to dismiss what I wrote about each studio, but it's correct.
Just parroting a talking point which has no basis in fact is your issue.
And don't take what Phil has been saying about Sony's first party as a serious thought. That's all for the consumption of the various inquiries into the Activision buy out. In the same vein you wouldn't take Jim Ryan serious when he says that Sony has no ability to match a game like COD.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Microsoft buying Activision adds nothing to the industry that wasn’t already there, so the answer should be abundantly obvious to anyone that’s an actual gamer
GHG
Member
My apologies, misinterpreted what you said. I read it as you wanting a streaming only future when you actually meant that was the last thing you wanted.
We are on the same page.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
I'm not unsympathetic to owning a hardcopy of media, especially in today's age of shit-canning episodes of a show that are now deemed 'problimatic'.
I just love GP because I try to play everything on the service for at least an hour outside of things that are wildly outside my tastes. Over the years I have found dozens of games I would have never given a second look that I now love, and have bought for a discount as they leave the service if I'm not done with them.
Edit- For example I never would have given a second thought to the 'Stardew Valley Clone' that is Graveyard Keeper without Gamepass. I now own it on my Xbox and Switch with all paid updates, because it's a banger of a game.
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Topher
Gold Member
Good thing I never said "Microsoft needs to get their house in order" then, huh? I said they need to improve performance and consistency and I referenced the lack of games this year. If you would stop overreacting and actually read what was said then maybe this simple shit will sink in. The fact that you have to rephrase what I said to make it sound worse than intended is hilarious.
Who gives a shit what he said about Sony? I'm quoting him for what he says about Xbox. And no, this has nothing to do with Activision. Here he is in 2019 saying the same damn thing.
“Very few people turn on their Xbox to stare at the Dash… People turn on their Xbox to go play games,” Spencer said in the lengthy video interview.
“I think us having a strong first party at Xbox means that when I think about Xbox, I’m going to think about quality games.
“We have work to do there. We haven’t done our best work over the past few years with our first party output.”
Xbox needs to improve its first-party games output, says Spencer | VGC
“We have work to do”…
www.videogameschronicle.com
Like I said, this isn't a new problem. So if you are going to continue to cry about me then go ahead and start bitching about Phil Spencer as well. I'm not saying anything he hasn't already said.
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Fredrik
Member
It would add their library to Gamepass on Xbox and PC at the very least. It’s not nothing. They have lots of IPs.
I wouldn’t mind getting myself updated on how their games has evolved without having to buy them, last CoD I played was CoD2 at the 360 launch, last Crash I played was the first one on PS1.
But I would rather see MS use the money elsewhere, if the deal goes through they can forget about making any other deals.
Banjo64
cumsessed
My dream would post Zenimax would have been;
But for me those studios would have cost less than £1.5b and would provide more for me than all of ABK.
- Playtonic
- Gears For Breakfast
- Asobo
- Moon Studios
- Eidos
- Crystal Dynamics
But for me those studios would have cost less than £1.5b and would provide more for me than all of ABK.
Fredrik
Member
Yeah it works well for me too. MS just need to get going with the big releases, it’s been a historically slow year for AAA games.
Upside, since I don’t use it much my kids has discovered that Xbox actually exist and they play lots of GP games I’m thankful I don’t have to buy.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
They can sign content to GP without spending 68B
Fredrik
Member
Would just be the usual short periods for one or two titles. Knowing you would always have access to their complete library on Gamepass including their new games day 1 would certainly be something.
SegaManAU
Gold Member
None of these options help them with the mobile market which is one of the key factors to the ABK deal.
In Cold Blood
Banned
Yeah, I understand that Microsoft's wants are different to mine. However, I want what's in my best interests.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
It doesn’t matter to me as long as I benefit in the end. I can afford all the consoles and just want to play videogames.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Gold Member
Microsoft should buy Sony
In Cold Blood
Banned
Quoting a story from 2019?Good thing I never said "Microsoft needs to get their house in order" then, huh? I said they need to improve performance and consistency and I referenced the lack of games this year. If you would stop overreacting and actually read what was said then maybe this simple shit will sink in. The fact that you have to rephrase what I said to make it sound worse than intended is hilarious.
Who gives a shit what he said about Sony? I'm quoting him for what he says about Xbox. And no, this has nothing to do with Activision. Here he is in 2019 saying the same damn thing.
“Very few people turn on their Xbox to stare at the Dash… People turn on their Xbox to go play games,” Spencer said in the lengthy video interview.
“I think us having a strong first party at Xbox means that when I think about Xbox, I’m going to think about quality games.
“We have work to do there. We haven’t done our best work over the past few years with our first party output.”
Xbox needs to improve its first-party games output, says Spencer | VGC
“We have work to do”…
Like I said, this isn't a new problem. So if you are going to continue to cry about me then go ahead and start bitching about Phil Spencer as well. I'm not saying anything he hasn't already said.
So Phil Spencer saying how in 2016, 2017 and 2018 they haven't done the best for first party output is your comeback?
Since the dark days of 2017/18 Microsoft has increased their studios from 4 to 24. They won publisher of the year in 2021.
It's like you think studios can knock a game out in a couple of years.
The turn around takes years and years.
The hard work is in getting the studios and man power.
Undead labs could have easily of released SOD3 by now if they were to have a similar Indie style game. I'm sure that would have suited the "Gamepass filler" crowd, however Microsoft has invested alot of time, money and resources to up skill Undead to a AAA studio. This means a far bigger gap between game releases. The exact same thing can also be said of all the studios that MS bought. Playground doubling its size. Ninja Theory doubling its size and going AAA from AA. This is everything we wanted to see when MS bought these studios. Investment.
I get that it's an easy troll to throw at Xbox, but it doesn't stand up when you actually dig down into it.
Time passes. In a month we are into 2023, and the release schedule from then on out is going to be massive.
And to compare Microsoft to its closest opposition, in 2017 they had 4 studios and a half a dozen valuable IP (Minecraft, Forza, Halo, Gears, Forza Horizon) to now where they have 24 studios and a massive amount of valuable IP.
They have more studios than Sony, more AAA studios than Sony and more game IP than Sony.
In the space of 4 years they went from sweet fuck all to this, and that's not including AKB.
They did the work, and now the results will come.
One thing fanboys are is predictable. They will throw shade at Xbox about no games, while deep down knowing this won't last long, to then when xbox is dropping more first party exclusives they will be complaining to Sony that they need to buy more studios, and why did they buy support studios and PC conversion studios when they should have been buying Square, Capcom and Sega instead.
Give MS their props. They did the hard yards. People were saying that Microsoft would never invest in Xbox because it has to pay for itself. Microsoft should get out of gaming. They can't rebound after the Xbox One.
Now they turned that ship around, and will continue to invest even more in the future with further acquisitions and games. Awesome. It's a good thing for Xbox gamers. It's a good thing for Sony gamers. It's a good thing for the whole industry.
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