Yoboman
Member
I get that but the Boston QZ was definitely the worst part of TLOU game for me. I think they improved on it and now we move on
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
HBO Original | The Last of Us | Part 1 OT | Endure & Survive
- Thread starter Represent.
- Start date
eastcoastkody
Member
replayed some of the game. I noticed ppl saying that Marlene in the show was the same person from the game. Thought she was kinda bad in the show. Surprisingly in the game she's good.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Episode 2: left behind plus Boston state house. Tess dies.Seems like they are just retelling the games story, not sure how it’s going to fill 9 episodes, I’m guessing lots of flashbacks and filler content. Wife liked it, but complained it was another zombie tv show,
Elle actress was a bit shit, but did anyone like Elle in the game. Not sure why she was main in part 2.
Part 2 story was so bad, so at least I don’t have wait for season 2
Episode 3: bills town plus another flashback. Maybe ashley Johnson giving birth to ellie.
Episode 4 and 5: Pittsburgh And sewers. Sam and his brother what’s his face.
Episode 6: Tommy’s town. Fully fleshed out this time.
Episode 7: university and winter part 1
Episode 8: winter part 2.
Episode 9: hospital plus Abby’s intro.
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
This is the one time I agree with the internet - Florence Pugh needs to play Abby
Not only could she easily be made to look the part (minus the buffness), but she is a phenomenal actress.
You're not gonna find a super buff girl that can act to play Abby - so she wont be buff in the show.
Not only could she easily be made to look the part (minus the buffness), but she is a phenomenal actress.
You're not gonna find a super buff girl that can act to play Abby - so she wont be buff in the show.
Slothbeing1209
Member
I know. Just saying clearly some part didn't make it to the final version. Make me feel little disappointed.
Wait until we reach episode 3. They'll lose their mind when find out Bill's gay and have whole episode focus on his relationship lol
Last edited:
CartesianMan
Member
It's good enough. Looks like faithful adaptation. I like zombies introduction, character development, even the world.
Knowing the source can't wait to be slapped in the face couple of times with the Ellie's sexual orientation. "rollingeyes.gif"
Hope this part to be handled good as how they did in The Peacemaker.
But let's see how it's unfolds. For now - 8/10 just like the game.
Knowing the source can't wait to be slapped in the face couple of times with the Ellie's sexual orientation. "rollingeyes.gif"
Hope this part to be handled good as how they did in The Peacemaker.
But let's see how it's unfolds. For now - 8/10 just like the game.
Elysion
Banned
Complaining about ‚wokeness’ in modern entertainment, and yearning for the ‚good old days’ of the pre-2010 era is just retarded at this point. It‘s not like girlbossery or anti-racism are new phenomena. I mean, ‚To kill a Mockingbird‘ came out in 1962, and that‘s one of the ‚wokest‘ movies you‘ll ever see, establishing the stereotype of the white woman falsely accusing a black man for raping her. ‚A Time to Kill‘, a 1996 movie about a bunch of sweaty white rednecks raping a black girl, is actually based on a book that’s based on a real case – except the book reversed the races of victim and perpetrators! Hollywood has been doing this stuff for a long, long time, and anyone who claims there‘s some ‚new‘ trend going on is just dishonest. What‘s changed is simply that the writing has gotten worse and less subtle, which is why it‘s easier to notice this kind of messaging. But it has always been there.
I think this loss of subtlety is also noticeable between TLoU 1 and 2. Part 1 is just as ‚woke‘ as part 2, but since it‘s more subtle, and better paced overall, and revolves around Joel and Ellie‘s developing father-daughter relationship (which is something very wholesome in a bleak world like this), the wokeness kind of flies over most people‘s head. If part 1 hadn’t come out 10 years ago, but only today, you can bet the messaging would’ve been much more ‚in your face‘, and the game would’ve been just as divisive as part 2.
Anyway, regarding the show, Tess following Joel‘s lead actually mirrors how gender dynamics work in the real world, and feels more natural than their dynamic in the game. So in that aspect the show is actually less ‚woke‘ than the game lol. Overall, I think it would‘ve been pretty hard for HBO to fuck up a show based on TLoU part 1; the story and themes are too straightforward and wholesome to mess up. It‘s part 2 that‘s gonna be the real challenge. If they adapt that as faithfully as they seem to be adapting part 1, then I expect future seasons to be just as divisive as the second game.
I think this loss of subtlety is also noticeable between TLoU 1 and 2. Part 1 is just as ‚woke‘ as part 2, but since it‘s more subtle, and better paced overall, and revolves around Joel and Ellie‘s developing father-daughter relationship (which is something very wholesome in a bleak world like this), the wokeness kind of flies over most people‘s head. If part 1 hadn’t come out 10 years ago, but only today, you can bet the messaging would’ve been much more ‚in your face‘, and the game would’ve been just as divisive as part 2.
Anyway, regarding the show, Tess following Joel‘s lead actually mirrors how gender dynamics work in the real world, and feels more natural than their dynamic in the game. So in that aspect the show is actually less ‚woke‘ than the game lol. Overall, I think it would‘ve been pretty hard for HBO to fuck up a show based on TLoU part 1; the story and themes are too straightforward and wholesome to mess up. It‘s part 2 that‘s gonna be the real challenge. If they adapt that as faithfully as they seem to be adapting part 1, then I expect future seasons to be just as divisive as the second game.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
This is the one time I agree with the internet - Florence Pugh needs to play Abby
Not only could she easily be made to look the part (minus the buffness), but she is a phenomenal actress.
You're not gonna find a super buff girl that can act to play Abby - so she wont be buff in the show.
I would f'ing love this.
Rickyiez
Member
Last edited:
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
I've still got my tinned goods from the pandemic, lets do this!
SLB1904
Banned
pasterpl
Member
Finally watched the pilot, and i am a bit … disappointed, with all that hype I was expecting a bit more, show is good, but not brilliant (talkig about episode 1 only). Will continue watching to see if it improves.
Btw my partner, have the same opinion.
We both scored episode 1 - 6/10, still better than halo tv show episode 1
Btw my partner, have the same opinion.
We both scored episode 1 - 6/10, still better than halo tv show episode 1
Last edited:
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
This is the one time I agree with the internet - Florence Pugh needs to play Abby
Not only could she easily be made to look the part (minus the buffness), but she is a phenomenal actress.
You're not gonna find a super buff girl that can act to play Abby - so she wont be buff in the show.
Florence is a little pint sized bundle of British brilliant Ness.....she's probably too short.....but you know what. I effing love this suggestion. I think Abby is awesome so this would be a perfect casting for me.
Yup, sold.
Last edited:
mitchman
Gold Member
Isn't this the guy that thought Ellie at 14 years old was hot in the game, and Bella was not hot? That's some pedo vibes right there.
Well_Of_Souls
Member
I really enjoyed the first episode. I'm still not totally totally sold on Bella Ramsey, but I think she's got Ellie's attitude down, and I liked the scene where she was introduced. The final shot, with the pouring rain, the collapsed buildings and Depeche Mode playing in the background was superb.
GooseMan69
Member
The people who bitch about everything being woke are officially more annoying than the SJWs themselves. Different sides of the same retarded coin.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
I’ve watched the first 80 minutes last night. Can’t say I’m not enjoying all the new additions that were not in the game. It makes it fresh for someone like me who finished the game multiple times.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
I enjoyed this post.
You're correct from my perspective, that script writing and writing in general in pop culture media is becoming awful, and if not awful then subtle as a commercial airplane crashing into the ground and exploding right behind you. Just as a random example. I blame it on the short attention spans diminishing script writer's need for anything resembling a coherent character arc. I don't think TLOU will mess this up, given the source material, but
I also believe that "woke," agendas and ideologies are becoming more frequent and aggressive BECAUSE the writing has become so terrible in mainstream entertainment, that it lowers the bar and destroys the barrier for entry. Woke or not, everyone has had this scenario: Oh, sweet! They're making a [movie/sequel/show] out of [property I like] and it's directed or written or fucking both by Dick McNobody. I dunno. I know most people start as creditless unknowns and have to forge a career to get big, but there are SO MANY nobodies now. But whatever, rambling now, but I wanted to reply to an interesting post.
BlitzerRadic
Member
You havent even played the game so you the last person that should be making comments about how the show is more "woke" than the game.
Last edited:
elcapitano
Member
Looks like the Sales of the game are jumping as people where expecting.
Be interesting to see if this is their peak or will it grow from here.
PS4 PSN Best Seller:
Part 2 is 5th currently.
Remastered 11th
PS5 PSN Best Seller:
Part 1 is 8th currently.
PS4 Amazon UK:
Part 2 is 2nd and 8th for a different seller
Remastered is 4th.
PS4 Amazon US:
Part 2 is 1st
Remastered is 3rd, 4th and 5th
Be interesting to see if this is their peak or will it grow from here.
PS4 PSN Best Seller:
Part 2 is 5th currently.
Remastered 11th
PS5 PSN Best Seller:
Part 1 is 8th currently.
PS4 Amazon UK:
Part 2 is 2nd and 8th for a different seller
Remastered is 4th.
PS4 Amazon US:
Part 2 is 1st
Remastered is 3rd, 4th and 5th
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
I dig the channel and the dude's genuine enthusiasm, but those thumbnails, ROFL
Hey guys! We've got lots of little details that you might not have caught! Did you see the fucking catatonic old woman fucking convulsing in the background of the scene with Sarah? It was in the background and the background was blurry, here's a huge goddamn red circle in case you finally huffed too much paint thinner.
Ulysses 31
Member
I have played the PS4 Remastered years back. I didn't say it was more woke, the reviewers did.
ShadowNate
Member
wokeness and anti-wokeness. Such an ouroboros of hyperboles, cherry-picking, misrepresenting, pushing back to the push-back, waiving off the extremely bad (mobs, people being driven off work or even to suicide, death threats, targeting, stalking), victimization, power-trips from silencing the "other-think", backward logic and grifting idiots for likes/clicks/monetization.
It's occasionally funny to point out but all in all it's probably as ugly as it gets, and the circle speed accelerates rather than slowing down.
I wonder if anyone's surprised though. Did we magically expect the "one side" to be all calm and logical about it? Was there anything to suggest that enough momentum was building up to stopping this and not grift as hard as possible to exploit it forever?
Anyway, the show seems great in the pilot so far. Everyone's seems to be getting their humanization moment. Terrorist or freedom-fighter, drug smuggler/dealer, double faced traitor or survivor in a post-apocalypse, soldier at the militant government' service who can't sleep from what they've seen or done.
And... the global warming reference. It's just there as a potential explanation for the fungus evolving and adapting. The warming thing has been a worry since when I can remember myself, anyway, and that's since the 80's at least. It's definitely realistic in my book that people would point to that too for such a scenario (it's also been listed as a potential factor for the Covid-19 pandemic too).
It's occasionally funny to point out but all in all it's probably as ugly as it gets, and the circle speed accelerates rather than slowing down.
I wonder if anyone's surprised though. Did we magically expect the "one side" to be all calm and logical about it? Was there anything to suggest that enough momentum was building up to stopping this and not grift as hard as possible to exploit it forever?
Anyway, the show seems great in the pilot so far. Everyone's seems to be getting their humanization moment. Terrorist or freedom-fighter, drug smuggler/dealer, double faced traitor or survivor in a post-apocalypse, soldier at the militant government' service who can't sleep from what they've seen or done.
And... the global warming reference. It's just there as a potential explanation for the fungus evolving and adapting. The warming thing has been a worry since when I can remember myself, anyway, and that's since the 80's at least. It's definitely realistic in my book that people would point to that too for such a scenario (it's also been listed as a potential factor for the Covid-19 pandemic too).
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
So...TLOU Part 1 is about to enter Steams top 10 of the best selling games. At #11 right now (not counting the free games above it of course).
And this is after only a single episode!
Can't wait to bring back some topics that were made when this remake was first announced
And this is after only a single episode!
Can't wait to bring back some topics that were made when this remake was first announced
GymWolf
Gold Member
Is she hunting for smurfs?
Winter John
Member
Man, I wish they'd bring the no politics rule back. The culture warriors ruin every thread with their dumb bullshit
Guilty_AI
Member
I went to check global top sellers and its in ~50 place excluding free games. Are you sure you don't have regional/language filters on? Could be trending more in some specific countries (its in the ~20 places in brazil for example)
Last edited:
Ulysses 31
Member
Yeah, it's nowhere near the top 20 here in the Benelux on steam global chart.
Winter John
Member
I honestly can't believe they're now calling global warming "woke" while most of California is under the sea
SCB3
Member
I watched it with an open mind and was quite surprised on how faithful it was with some nice TV changes like the Airplane crash and the Car Fake out, not sold on the Actors, but they do sound and act the same in in game, its more the looks tbh, I look forward to next weeks, that closing shot was so well done, I could even see how they go up the side to the right into the Towers, its was nearly a perfect recreation of the game
Still a nice surprise considering the Halo show, that was a fucking travesty, a solid 8/10 imo
Still a nice surprise considering the Halo show, that was a fucking travesty, a solid 8/10 imo
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Next time spare us your trigger warnings.
I'm stoned, any trigger warnings were unintended. Go ahead. Get offended with no warning by whatever you want people.
ToTTenTranz
Banned
Watched the whole movie episode yesterday.
My wife got mad at me for not telling her the episode was so long beforehand, and she went to bed later than initially planned. I guess it'll take us 3 days to watch that ~2 hour episode.
Regardless, the show seems good. Not OMG-IT'S-100%-ROTTENTOMATOES good, at least not for the 1st episode, but it's definitely above average in production and screenwriting like e.g. Andor.
Pedro Pascal, Anna Torv and the rest of the cast seem really into it and they're doing great.
Bella Ramsey as Ellie, on the other hand, does not.
She moves and speaks fine, but she's apparently incapable of doing facial expressions and that's constantly putting me off.
Every single time there was a close-up on her face (and there's a lot of those in the first episode), all I could think of was Saitama's dork face. And she's always making that face.
This is Bella Ramsey when Ellie's relaxed in a room:
This is Bella Ramsey when Ellie gets knocked against a wall:
And this is Bella Ramsey when a guard points a rifle at Ellie:
Sure, they didn't need to choose a conventionally pretty actress for the role. That part's fine to me.
But Ellie's facial expressions are always a big part of what sets the mood in the games, and they went with an actress who seems unable to do any.
Just look at this example.
Pedro Pascal is clearly using a facial expression that transpires danger and anxiety. I can tell he's in a hurry and worried about who or what he'll encounter in the next turn he makes.
Bella Ramsay in the back looks like she's in a line for getting in the school bus on a tuesday morning, wondering if her mom ever really packed that extra jam sandwich she asked for.
My wife got mad at me for not telling her the episode was so long beforehand, and she went to bed later than initially planned. I guess it'll take us 3 days to watch that ~2 hour episode.
Regardless, the show seems good. Not OMG-IT'S-100%-ROTTENTOMATOES good, at least not for the 1st episode, but it's definitely above average in production and screenwriting like e.g. Andor.
Pedro Pascal, Anna Torv and the rest of the cast seem really into it and they're doing great.
Bella Ramsey as Ellie, on the other hand, does not.
She moves and speaks fine, but she's apparently incapable of doing facial expressions and that's constantly putting me off.
Every single time there was a close-up on her face (and there's a lot of those in the first episode), all I could think of was Saitama's dork face. And she's always making that face.
This is Bella Ramsey when Ellie's relaxed in a room:
This is Bella Ramsey when Ellie gets knocked against a wall:
And this is Bella Ramsey when a guard points a rifle at Ellie:
Sure, they didn't need to choose a conventionally pretty actress for the role. That part's fine to me.
But Ellie's facial expressions are always a big part of what sets the mood in the games, and they went with an actress who seems unable to do any.
Just look at this example.
Pedro Pascal is clearly using a facial expression that transpires danger and anxiety. I can tell he's in a hurry and worried about who or what he'll encounter in the next turn he makes.
Bella Ramsay in the back looks like she's in a line for getting in the school bus on a tuesday morning, wondering if her mom ever really packed that extra jam sandwich she asked for.
hemo memo
Gold Member
Part 1 wasn’t woke. It was a great story. They went woke with part 2. Part 1 was a simple story. Part 2 they injected their politics with stupid unnecessary changes for the sake of woke.
elcapitano
Member
Part 1 has multiple gay characters.
Its as "woke" as anything. The internet and it's obsession with things being woke is hilarious. Especially when you ignore it in one thing and claim it ruined the next.
What a load of nonsense you are spouting.
hemo memo
Gold Member
Pedro is excellent as Joel. Bella is awful as Ellie. She is just not a good actor not just her looks. I mean Sarah actor is better.Watched the wholemovieepisode yesterday.
My wife got mad at me for not telling her the episode was so long beforehand, and she went to bed later than initially planned. I guess it'll take us 3 days to watch that ~2 hour episode.
Regardless, the show seems good. Not OMG-IT'S-100%-ROTTENTOMATOES good, at least not for the 1st episode, but it's definitely above average in production and screenwriting like e.g. Andor.
Pedro Pascal, Anna Torv and the rest of the cast seem really into it and they're doing great.
Bella Ramsey as Ellie, on the other hand, does not.
She moves and speaks fine, but she's apparently incapable of doing facial expressions and that's constantly putting me off.
Every single time there was a close-up on her face (and there's a lot of those in the first episode), all I could think of was Saitama's dork face. And she's always making that face.
This is Bella Ramsey when Ellie's relaxed in a room:
This is Bella Ramsey when Ellie gets knocked against a wall:
And this is Bella Ramsey when a guard points a rifle at Ellie:
Sure, they didn't need to choose a conventionally pretty actress for the role. That part's fine to me.
But Ellie's facial expressions are always a big part of what sets the mood in the games, and they went with an actress who seems unable to do any.
Just look at this example.
Pedro Pascal is clearly using a facial expression that transpires danger and anxiety. I can tell he's in a hurry and worried about who or what he'll encounter in the next turn he makes.
Bella Ramsay in the back looks like she's in a line for getting in the school bus on a tuesday morning, wondering if her mom ever really packed that extra jam sandwich she asked for.
Nico_D
Member
It was slightly distracting watch some of the 1:1 scenes. Even my daughter, who hasn't played the game, said when Joel, Sarah and Tommy escape with the car that "this looks like a set piece".
Yes it does and yes it is.
Other than that and a few others, the pilot was well done. Will watch.
Yes it does and yes it is.
Other than that and a few others, the pilot was well done. Will watch.
hemo memo
Gold Member
I’m not gonna drail the thread. I have played Part 1 more than you have and the focus is the story.
elcapitano
Member
I wouldn't bet on that. I've played both games a hell of a lot.
No one has said the focus isn't the story....
The focus is also the story in Part 2 despite the fact you consider it "Woke"
Ulysses 31
Member
Sexual preference, gender, race is not woke in itself, if the show is making it a defining characteristic and worthy of big attention is when things can start to appear woke.
Last edited:
hemo memo
Gold Member
I wouldn't bet on that. I've played both games a hell of a lot.
No one has said the focus isn't the story....
The focus is also the story in Part 2 despite the fact you consider it "Woke"
Sure.