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[James Sawyer Ford]

I don't think it's as complicated as that. Sony has some formula for deciding on playstation plus releases (how much to pay the devs for how long). Xbox has their own formula for gamepass. It seems kind of trivial for them to come to an agreement based on how they typically negotiate these games.

It’s very complicated. Microsoft has multiple deal types on GP and there’s no one size fits all model, with a whole lot of uncertainty for both parties involved

 

[Varteras]

Lmao spot-on with Jez

 

[reinking]

Ok. Sony can take no deal then. Their choice.

Sony has made it clear they are not taking a deal. Both Sony and MS will take whatever concessions are handed down when the deal is done. You appear to think Sony will be shut out if they do not take a deal now. Regulators have already made it clear that there will be significant concessions for MS to make this deal go through.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

are you blocked yet?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Every time I think I've read the most braindead take yet, some numb-nuts with a name you'd see on a browser based MMO tops it.

 

[Rubim]

Killzone looking pretty good right now. Sony better kill off Horizon and focus on the much better IP Killzone. Plus you can put Killzone in VR, and that would be better.

Killzone > COD

Not even joking. I loved KZ2 and KZ3. I bought the stupid gun for KZ3. And it was great!!!

Not even Sony thinks that.

Nobody can compete with COD according to Sony itself.

 

[splattered]

Sony has made it clear they are not taking a deal. Both Sony and MS will take whatever concessions are handed down when the deal is done. You appear to think Sony will be shut out if they do not take a deal now. Regulators have already made it clear that there will be significant concessions for MS to make this deal go through.

Don't worry, even if MS isn't hit with major concessions and the deal passes MS will still honor the 10 years of COD and probably extend it to some other franchises to keep healthy community and revenue flowing.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Not even Sony thinks that.

Nobody can compete with COD according to Sony itself.

Neither does MS. Which is why they want to buy it after their Halo debacle.

 

[NickFire]

Don't worry, even if MS isn't hit with major concessions and the deal passes MS will still honor the 10 years of COD and probably extend it to some other franchises to keep healthy community and revenue flowing.

Only if next console cycle starts in 11 years.

 

[GHG]

It's much easier for enthusiasts to get rabbled up by anonymous sources than people with hard money on the line. Without money invested it's easy to ignore the realities of modern media. Said realities being that an anonymous report could be legit, could be quasi-legit like some person with access but no power hearing through the grapevine, or could be a MS employee or lawyer feeding a company line to a friendly reporter.

If we believed every report on this deal, it would have been formally terminated or approved a million times by now.

The stocks price action will give us clues as to where these "reports" are coming from. If it sells off again over the next couple of days without any new developments emerging, well, you know.

 

[Ozriel]

The change in value for GamePass doesn’t occur unless the deal goes through which would require heavy concessions on pricing parity for PS Plus.

So if CoD is day 1 on PS plus just like it is on GP, does that change the status quo as a win for MS? I don’t think so, not when their starting position was only 3 years with no Sub concessions

No way in hell is there any concessions being mooted for day one PS+.
Pricing parity means $70 on both PLayStation, Xbox and Steam.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Not even Sony thinks that.

Nobody can compete with COD according to Sony itself.

I’m just talking personally. I prefer the heavier, darker combat.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

No way in hell is there any concessions being mooted for day one PS+.
Pricing parity means $70 on both PLayStation, Xbox and Steam.

We’ll just have to see who is right.

But based on precedent, hoping CMA will concede to GamePass without any restrictions is highly unlikely

 

[WoodyStare]

We need Scooby-Doo GIFs of unmasking those 3!

 

[Thirty7ven]

The stocks price action will give us clues as to where these "reports" are coming from. If it sells off again over the next couple of days without any new developments emerging, well, you know.

It’s true that right now will be the busiest time for pump and dump moves. Maybe, I don’t know. At least in other cases, times of speculation and uncertainty regarding a big decision/moment for a stock/asset allows for rumors and news that make people thrive with pump and dump. But you know, maybe not here.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Not even Sony thinks that.

Nobody can compete with COD according to Sony itself.

Killzone was objectively trash and I'm glad Guerilla moved on to make the highly successful and popular Horizon games.

Also, Killzone was made as a response to Halo. Now that Halo is largely irrelevant, there is no reason to revive Killzone. What Sony should be doing if MSFT-ATVI actually goes through is starting to acquire a large number of studios themselves. The only solution Sony has is Mutually Assured Destruction, if MSFT decides to deny CoD to Playstation in 10 years, Sony will make everything from studios they own exclusive in retaliation.

Sony really needs to break the bank and try to acquire EA. If CoD goes Xbox exclusive, then FIFA and Madden go Playstation exclusive. Sony's only path to survival is MAD like the Cold War. Like....Call of Duty Black Ops Cold War.

 

[drganon]

It's not Microsoft's or the consumers fault that Sony stopped developing their own internal IP's and rested on their laurels dependent on 3rd party games like COD to sustain them. That is their own fault and very short sighted. They are living in the past and behind the times. They have what, 12 GAAS games that they are working on & the GAAS ship has sailed a while ago. Where are their new IP's? Everything has been a remake or a remaster to milk consumers.

 

[Cheezewizz]

You know COD is a First Person Shooter game right?

Let's forget these games are also fps games.
Halo
Killzone
Resistance

You mean let's not forget?

If Sony was to revive Killzone and Resistance with their current tech and developers with a battle royal mode, COD being exclusive to Xbox wouldn't matter to the PS fan base.

What's your reasoning for this? Killzone and Resistance existed previously and failed. And that was with COD not being exclusive to Xbox.

And the way Microsoft runs their studies, COD being exclusive to Xbox may end up being a shell of it's former self just like Halo.

Come back to reality!

A shell of its former self is still far better than abandoned completely. You can criticize and throw all the shade you want at Halo, what it's become, or what it used to be. But if you want to be taken seriously dont use Killzone and Resistance to do so.

Good or bad, Halo still sells and is an active franchise today. Killzone was taken out behind the woodshed and shot immediately after the PS4 launched. Resistance was dead even earlier.

 

[GHG]

It’s true that right now will be the busiest time for pump and dump moves.

Yep, all the deadlines are fast approaching.

If anyone here is considering making an entry now I'd say be careful, only play with money you don't give a crap about.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

And the way Microsoft runs their studies, COD being exclusive to Xbox may end up being a shell of it's former self just like Halo.

where do I sign!!!!!!

 

[harry mason 1989]

My fellow playstation bros
We all need to accept the dark gloomy reality
The deal is done
We need to move on

 

[Ar¢tos]

You know COD is a First Person Shooter game right?

Let's forget these games are also fps games.
Halo
Killzone
Resistance

If Sony was to revive Killzone and Resistance with their current tech and developers with a battle royal mode, COD being exclusive to Xbox wouldn't matter to the PS fan base.

And the way Microsoft runs their studies, COD being exclusive to Xbox may end up being a shell of it's former self just like Halo.

Imagine MS buying Activision and then giving COD to 343!

 

[b6a6es]

My fellow playstation bros
We all need to accept the dark gloomy reality
The deal is done
We need to move on

Not dark yet

 

[Banjo64]

You know COD is a First Person Shooter game right?

Let's forget these games are also fps games.
Halo
Killzone
Resistance

If Sony was to revive Killzone and Resistance with their current tech and developers with a battle royal mode, COD being exclusive to Xbox wouldn't matter to the PS fan base.

And the way Microsoft runs their studies, COD being exclusive to Xbox may end up being a shell of its former self just like Halo.

I’m laughing because no matter how successful any Sony first party FPS could be, it’d literally be impossible for it to replicate CoD’s revenue of 20m copies sold every year and hundreds of millions in MTX.

You’re bang on in that CoD under MS could be a disaster for fans of the series and it’ll probably die if they try to transition it to a console exclusive.

 

[Gobjuduck]

Looking better everyday

 

[El Pistolero]

Every time I think I've read the most braindead take yet, some numb-nuts with a name you'd see on a browser based MMO tops it.

It's on Sony...They should have held a fundraiser and collected tens of billions of dollars to acquire ABK! How come they did not make that simple, easy to implement move?

 

[Varteras]

Not dark yet

 

[ToadMan]

No future games are obligated to release on your preferred platform of choice.

To think otherwise is entitlement.

And equally there’s no reason to expect mutliplat franchises, and even new titles, won’t come to the best selling platforms as a minimum. I mean when that happens it’s a major media event.

Zenimax had 24 of 26 titles be multiplat before the acquisition. After, 4 of 4 are exclusive.

Math is hard so I’ll explain, they went from over 80% multiplat (with 2 timed exclusives at that) to 100% exclusive (with no expiry) as a result of acquisition.

 

[wolffy71]

In case anyone is bored

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I'll never be that bored

 

[harry mason 1989]

Rockstar will be the next target now
I think it's time to move on to pc

 

[wolffy71]

Sony have never bought a publisher with multiplat IP and made it exclusive. They’ve committed several times to Bungie making multiplat games.

So it’s okay for very rich companies to just do what they want? Got it.

Why buy the whole company when you can just pay for exclusivity tho?

 

[Cheezewizz]

Killzone was objectively trash and I'm glad Guerilla moved on to make the highly successful and popular Horizon games.

Also, Killzone was made as a response to Halo. Now that Halo is largely irrelevant, there is no reason to revive Killzone. What Sony should be doing if MSFT-ATVI actually goes through is starting to acquire a large number of studios themselves. The only solution Sony has is Mutually Assured Destruction, if MSFT decides to deny CoD to Playstation in 10 years, Sony will make everything from studios they own exclusive in retaliation.

Sony really needs to break the bank and try to acquire EA. If CoD goes Xbox exclusive, then FIFA and Madden go Playstation exclusive. Sony's only path to survival is MAD like the Cold War. Like....Call of Duty Black Ops Cold War.

Well for starters, I don't think Sony could afford EA. One of the primary reasons Sony is fighting this so hard is specifically because they know they can't afford to implement the strategy that you're suggesting.

Also, why would you think that Sony chasing titles like Madden and Fifa is a good idea? It would just result in Sony making those games for Xbox, just like they do for MLB The Show.

 

[StealthGoblin]

Why buy the whole company when you can just pay for exclusivity tho?

I don’t think you know how a lot of Sony’s exclusivity deals work. The developers and publishers get a lot more than money.

 

[Loxus]

None of those are on the level of cod your not going to be as big as cod if your exclusive to one platform it has to be on everything imo.

Let's forget Microsoft wants to turn COD exclusive and Sony made these games, GOW, TLOU, Horizon, etc.

 

[ToadMan]

AWS - 32%
Azure - 23%
Google - 11%

“Microsoft is on their way to a monopoly”

That’s their goal yes.

 

[ToadMan]

Why buy the whole company when you can just pay for exclusivity tho?

Cheaper to buy the company.

 

[solidus12]

Brad was also part of the PS5 hate train prior to launch.



It seems like a pattern they share:

 

[Loxus]

You mean let's not forget?

What's your reasoning for this? Killzone and Resistance existed previously and failed. And that was with COD not being exclusive to Xbox.

Come back to reality!

A shell of its former self is still far better than abandoned completely. You can criticize and throw all the shade you want at Halo, what it's become, or what it used to be. But if you want to be taken seriously dont use Killzone and Resistance to do so.

Good or bad, Halo still sells and is an active franchise today. Killzone was taken out behind the woodshed and shot immediately after the PS4 launched. Resistance was dead even earlier.

Stop looking at the pass and look at the future. Look at the quality of games Sony are putting out, they keep setting the bar.

With no COD on Playstation, a Resistance or Killzone reboot similar to God of War is more than enough to fill the void COD left.

 

[Bonsaibäumchen]

I’m laughing because no matter how successful any Sony first party FPS could be, it’d literally be impossible for it to replicate CoD’s revenue of 20m copies sold every year and hundreds of millions in MTX.

You’re bang on in that CoD under MS could be a disaster for fans of the series and it’ll probably die if they try to transition it to a console exclusive.

Yeah people just put it so simply.
To create something similar to COD IN REVENUE forn Sony, they would need to make a Shooter thats at least available on PC and PS. It would have to have crossplay and still feel good and run good on both plattforms. And they would have to have a playerbase that is huge enough.

Right now Sony first party don't even have a good 1st player pvp shooter at all. And yet people claim sony should be able to do it in 10 years.

They would need a miracle for that to happen.

 

[Ash Sparrow]

MS using special ops to get through to Sony now.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Killzone was objectively trash and I'm glad Guerilla moved on to make the highly successful and popular Horizon games.

Also, Killzone was made as a response to Halo. Now that Halo is largely irrelevant, there is no reason to revive Killzone. What Sony should be doing if MSFT-ATVI actually goes through is starting to acquire a large number of studios themselves. The only solution Sony has is Mutually Assured Destruction, if MSFT decides to deny CoD to Playstation in 10 years, Sony will make everything from studios they own exclusive in retaliation.

Sony really needs to break the bank and try to acquire EA. If CoD goes Xbox exclusive, then FIFA and Madden go Playstation exclusive. Sony's only path to survival is MAD like the Cold War. Like....Call of Duty Black Ops Cold War.

I don't think Sony needs to go to town if MS acquires ABK. Acquiring thousands of employees can create a negative ripple effect on quality. It can also lead to increased expenses and a potentially negative ROI.

I think more strategic moves would be preferred by Sony. For example, acquiring Capcom. They are leaner, have multiplatform IPs like Resident Evil, DMC, Monster Hunter that, if taken off from Xbox, will help Sony. And Sony already has SquareEnix games exclusive, so buying them wouldn't really matter in this context.

Most of all, I think Sony will have to make one nuclear move: make GTA 6 a full PS5/PC exclusive. If Xbox Series X|S is without GTA throughout this generation, it would nullify any impact ABK might have had. And it'd have a huge impact on next-gen console sales as well, as some Xbox fans might buy a PS6, thinking what if GTA 7 doesn't release on Xbox again.

That's all Sony needs in my opinion.

P.S. Before everybody starts attacking me, I'm against this kind of stuff. That's why my hope is that the MS/ABK acquisition falls through, and Sony doesn't feel the need to do stuff like this. And all multiplatform games continue to release on all consoles, creating equal opportunities for both companies, consoles, and their userbase.

 

[Lyrical]

Man Sony is soooo silly. Just make another COD ffs…come on Sony!!! Think!
Man you get some really stupid takes here.

 

[Demon2blades]

Let's forget Microsoft wants to turn COD exclusive and Sony made these games, GOW, TLOU, Horizon, etc.

By all means they can make cod exclusive but it won't be as big as it is now , games like cod/fortnite/FIFA are all massive games because they are on all platforms going Xbox/pc or ps/pc just isn't going to cut it , gow/tlou/horizon are different they work perfect as exclusive titles . Obviously this is my own opinion .

 

[RedC]

And equally there’s no reason to expect mutliplat franchises, and even new titles, won’t come to the best selling platforms as a minimum. I mean when that happens it’s a major media event.

Zenimax had 24 of 26 titles be multiplat before the acquisition. After 4 of 4 are exclusive.

Math is hard so I’ll explain, they went from over 80% multiplat (with 2 timed exclusivrs at that) to 100% exclusive (with no expiry) as a result of acquisition.

No, that's an entitlement mindset for a consumer to believe this.

Now whether or not it's good business is up for the businesses to determine and the market to respond and the businesses making adjustments based on the market's response.

This not only goes for acquisitions but also for full exclusivity or timed exclusivity deals.

 

[knocksky]

Game Pass cannibalizes sales so Microsoft will be taking losses in sales for hopeful gains in increasing subscription growth and console sales.

Or losing sales but where the dev costs were covered by the subs.

 

[Solidus_T]

Man Sony is soooo silly. Just make another COD ffs…come on Sony!!! Think!
Man you get some really stupid takes here.

Yeah, just make another game that sells the most out of any game every year!

 

[Loxus]

I’m laughing because no matter how successful any Sony first party FPS could be, it’d literally be impossible for it to replicate CoD’s revenue of 20m copies sold every year and hundreds of millions in MTX.

You’re bang on in that CoD under MS could be a disaster for fans of the series and it’ll probably die if they try to transition it to a console exclusive.

I'm taking about if COD because exclusive and this is about console, where Sony represents a large portion of COD's revenue. So large, that it doesn't even make sense mentioning Xbox revenue according Microsoft if it not mistaken.

I just don't see COD pulling in those numbers or being as popular as it is right now without Playstation.

Sony is vastly more popular than Xbox, that any exclusive fps that fills COD spot instantly becomes more popular. There isn't any debating this when the console market is 70% Playstation.

 

[RedC]

Or losing sales but where the dev costs were covered by the subs.

Game Pass subscriptions subsidizes costs and allows studios more freedom to experiment or take more risks due to success not solely being dependent on game sales.

 

[adamsapple]

MS using special ops to get through to Sony now.

Fucking Phil can't keep getting away with this ..

 

[RickMasters]

I come to this thread to read some good delusional people opinions and it's crazy how people can bend and shape reality just to make their delusions into facts.

And don’t forget the mind readers who know what MS is gonna do next….. or the arm chair experts who know exactly what the CMA, EC and FTC are gonna say and do….. sprinkled of course with their own preferred outcome. It’s gotten quiet er……. ‘ editorial’ around here….