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[Topher]

would that be activision?

Probably. Sounds like something Kotick would try.

 

[GHG]

Shit.....just realized I'm doing this all wrong.

You were legitimately in character for a couple of posts there. I was beginning to wonder if he had got to you.

 

[DJ12]

Ahh lobbying, legal bribery from their motherland.

Best you can do in old blighty is get some prick to ask some questions that ultimately will mean nothing.

 

[NickFire]

?????

"Lobbying"

How quaint.

 

[splattered]

Round and around we goooo. Isn't this fun? Entertaining at times but i am ready to get off this ride now.

 

[Topher]

You were legitimately in character for a couple of posts there. I was beginning to wonder if he had got to you.

Unlike Florian, I try not to intentionally post utter bullshit.

 

[GHG]

?????

So they are out right saying they are happy to throw money at the UK government just to get a decision in their favour?

 

[Topher]

Round and around we goooo. Isn't this fun? Entertaining at times but i am ready to get off this ride now.

 

[Ar¢tos]

Ground 2 seems a bit desperate, since MS was throwing 10 year deals left and right just for show.

 

[MasterCornholio]

So if the appeal is successful the CMA can still kill the deal through structural remedies?

 

[DJ12]

So if the appeal is successful the CMA can still kill the deal through structural remedies?

They can just come to the same conclusion, just remove whatever the CAT disagrees with.

 

[Topher]

So if the appeal is successful the CMA can still kill the deal through structural remedies?

Seems so. What I want to know is if Microsoft can appeal a second time.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Round and around we goooo. Isn't this fun? Entertaining at times but i am ready to get off this ride now.

You won't though. Just ask a mod to thread ban you to help.

 

[GHG]

Round and around we goooo. Isn't this fun? Entertaining at times but i am ready to get off this ride now.

You on the right, everyone else in this thread on the left:

 

[Astray]

Seems so. What I want to know is if Microsoft can appeal a second time.

I think that's a no.

Some elements of this document are weird, but I am not a lawyer so won't comment much here.

From my POV this could go either way.

 

[SoloKingRobert]

So if the appeal is successful the CMA can still kill the deal through structural remedies?

Nope. They need to produce some more excuses about the Activision Blizzard Acquisition. Back to the Drawing Board for CMA

 

[reksveks]

That's true but I think $70 for Redfall and the fact that it hasn't dropped in price is ridiculous and shows that they don't really care much for sales of the game on stores. What's important to them is engagement on their sub.

Yeah, but that's very subjective and going to be extremely hard to nail down in, especially in court.

A separate market to B2P

This, it's not a separate market to B2P.

MS are free to do with the original game licence price as they wish without restriction.

That would be a license to the consumer, right?

Whether that is B2P or MGS, how would the free cloud licence help the cloud provider if they rely on competing MGS services or B2P stores? That licence can be set at any price to partially foreclose any competing MGS or store making those cloud providers just MS customers in a separate market.

Microsoft doesn't have to enable games on other MGS subscription services, that's true but that's not very different to the status quo.

Hopefully we get them. I don't think the EC are obligated to share them but I might be wrong there.

They should be in the full investigation documents that they upload later or at least alot more infom

That's the thing, they're not tied to the streaming platform but the original MGS service or B2P store platform. To the original game license and not the free cloud one. Steam cloud saves, windows store cloud saves and gamepass are what provides the cloud saves. Not boosteriod, not GFN. The streaming platform has been separated. Now if you were enticed into gamepass due to competition in MGS where are you most likely to go for cloud now? I'd bet it's an upgrade to gamepass ultimate, not elsewhere.

That's normal but you do have the option to use your game pass subscription on other cloud providers to get ABK games. The EU thinks that's an improvement for consumers and companies apposed to the alternative.

You won't buy a separate licence at $70-80 to play on some other cloud provider that isn’t a MS customer and lose your progress to boot.

As you said, you wouldn't need to buy another license for 70-80 if the cloud provider has taken up the free license.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'm guessing they found out that shit don't work with the CMA.

Thank fuck. It's as corrupt as it gets.

Lobbying only benefits the highest bidder.

 

[reksveks]

All comes down to the Tribunal now. I posted this last week some time, but not sure if anyone caught it. The CAT can overturn the CMA's decision entirely without returning it to the CMA. As unlikely as that is, it is still a distinct possibility.

Section 120 (5)(a)

Enterprise Act 2002

An Act to establish and provide for the functions of the Office of Fair Trading, the Competition Appeal Tribunal and the Competition Service; to make provision about mergers and market structures and conduct; to amend the constitution and functions of the Competition Commission; to create an...

www.legislation.gov.uk

I think your crossed out sentence might be correct. The 'may' is the key word but yeah, it's unlikely.

 

[Topher]

You on the right, everyone else in this thread on the left:

That is some hilarious shit.

I think your crossed out sentence might be correct. The 'may' is the key word but yeah, it's unlikely.

I don't think so. Part A ends with "and" which leads to part B. That was the mistake I made. I don't think "may" means "either" here.

 

[GHG]

I think your crossed out sentence might be correct. The 'may' is the key word but yeah, it's unlikely.

The "and" at the end of cause (a) is the key word, not the may. Regardless of what the CAT decide, it needs to go back to the CMA, even if they say the whole thing ought to be dismissed.

This is why them attacking the CMA was misguided.

 

[harry mason 1989]

You were dropped on your head a lot as a child, weren't you.

I think he was joking

 

[Topher]

Nope. They need to produce some more excuses about the Activision Blizzard Acquisition. Back to the Drawing Board for CMA

No, they don't. They have to address what the CAT highlights as errors and reconsider. It isn't "back to the drawing board" at all unless the CAT quashes the finding in its entirety.

 

[gothmog]

The CMAs decision really made some people fall apart pretty badly. Haven't seen so many crazy theories in a very long time.

They just need to accept that Microsoft is following proper procedure to try and get this through.

The meltdowns have been legendary the past few weeks between this and the PS showcase. Passion is good but you can't let yourself be ruled solely by emotion.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Nope. They need to produce some more excuses about the Activision Blizzard Acquisition. Back to the Drawing Board for CMA

Which means they can still kill the deal. I honestly don't see how you are celebrating this.

It's still not going to be easy.

Edit: Reading through this again they don't have to restart the process. They can still use the data they have to come to the same conclusion or one that's difficult for Microsoft to accept.

 

[GHG]

That is some hilarious shit.

I should feel bad for the kid but her laugh is too much

 

[Topher]

I should feel bad for the kid but her laugh is too much

Looked like that dude was legit falling out. She's laughing her ass off.

"Janice!"

 

[Kilau]

So they are out right saying they are happy to throw money at the UK government just to get a decision in their favour?

It’s why so many feel this deal has an air of inevitability to it.

 

[MasterCornholio]

To further clarify blocking it isn't the only way the CMA can kill the deal. If they demand extreme concessions that could make the deal seem like a waste. We know Microsoft doesn't want to lose COD for example.

 

[Topher]

It’s why so many feel this deal has an air of inevitability to it.

Yeah, I still got that gnaw in the back of my head just waiting for the other shoe to drop....

 

[Ogbert]

Explain what just came through like I am 5. Please. Legally things...

MS can appeal the decision.

With the appeal, they are not considering the decision that the CMA made. Rather, they have to demonstrate that there were fundamental mistakes in the ‘points of fact’ that the CMA used to *arrive* at their decision.

It’s like saying ‘lads, you made a mistake, but it’s not your fault’.

So, I assume, Ground 1 is the only real one where they can make some headway.

 

[SoloKingRobert]

No, they don't. They have to address what the CAT highlights as errors and reconsider. It isn't "back to the drawing board" at all unless the CAT quashes the finding in its entirety.

I still think this deal will go through with Remedies like having games on other cloud services permanently, instead of the 10 year contract. It wouldn't matter if Microsoft said 'Fuck it' lets make Call of Duty exclusive, since the Remedies isn't about console gaming. Microsoft wouldn't do that, they aren't Anti-Consumer.

 

[reksveks]

Reading through this again they don't have to restart the process. They can still use the data they have to come to the same conclusion or one that's difficult for Microsoft to accept.

It does depend on what the CAT says. If CAT says the marketshare data isn't valid then the CMA will have to find other data or post decision ignoring that marketshare data.

 

[reksveks]

So, I assume, Ground 1 is the only real one where they can make some headway.

Point a in ground 1 is the only interesting one for me but that feels like a stretch.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Yeah, I still got that gnaw in the back of my head just waiting for the other shoe to drop....

After that showcase I dont really care anymore if Jimbo loses COD, maybe he will get the memo and produce some games then lol

 

[MasterCornholio]

It does depend on what the CAT says. If CAT says the marketshare data isn't valid then the CMA will have to find other data or post decision ignoring that marketshare data.

Didn't they get the data from Microsoft?

Maybe I'm just not understanding this right.

 

[splattered]

To further clarify blocking it isn't the only way the CMA can kill the deal. If they demand extreme concessions that could make the deal seem like a waste. We know Microsoft doesn't want to lose COD for example.

I know MS doesn't want to divest COD but at this point i almost feel like they should and just get this over and done with. I'm assuming there would be stipulations to divestment in place preventing MS from going back to whoever buys COD and just moneyhatting exclusivity for the foreseeable future? Not that i want that to happen, just curious.

 

[adamsapple]

new ? old ?

 

[GHG]

Microsoft wouldn't do that, they aren't Anti-Consumer.

 

[drganon]

I think he was joking

Considering his post history, he probably is just that dumb.

 

[Topher]

I still think this deal will go through with Remedies like having games on other cloud services permanently, instead of the 10 year contract. It wouldn't matter if Microsoft said 'Fuck it' lets make Call of Duty exclusive, since the Remedies isn't about console gaming. Microsoft wouldn't do that, they aren't Anti-Consumer.

Going to depend on what CAT actually says in returning it to CMA. Microsoft can be just as anti-consumer as anyone when it comes to exclusives, but I trust that Phil Spencer is a man of his word when it comes to COD.

 

[ToadMan]

Thank fuck. It's as corrupt as it gets.

Lobbying only benefits the highest bidder.

MS buying timed exclusivity of politicians?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Microsoft wouldn't do that, they aren't Anti-Consumer.

It's like a script.

 

[reksveks]

Didn't they get the data from Microsoft?

Maybe I'm just not understanding this right.

Getting data and interpretating it wrong is something that's happened before but just saying that they can't resubmit something CAT has deliberately stuck out.

 

[Topher]

I know MS doesn't want to divest COD but at this point i almost feel like they should and just get this over and done with. I'm assuming there would be stipulations to divestment in place preventing MS from going back to whoever buys COD and just moneyhatting exclusivity for the foreseeable future? Not that i want that to happen, just curious.

And he's back...

 

[MasterCornholio]

Getting data and interpretating it wrong is something that's happened before but just saying that they can't resubmit something CAT has deliberately stuck out.

I don't think they can completely eliminate the data. I guess it depends on what it looks like without errors if it has any.

 

[Topher]

After that showcase I dont really care anymore if Jimbo loses COD, maybe he will get the memo and produce some games then lol

If I said I didn't have thoughts along those lines after watching the showcase then I'd be lying.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Holy shit this actually got me to laugh out loud irl

 

[splattered]

Considering his post history, he probably is just that dumb.

For sure, i am definitely that dumb

 

[drganon]

And he's back...

Sage used to pull the same crap before he got permed.