It's not even a flaw, it's just a gameplay convention. I think it's widely accepted that stealth in games has plenty of them.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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so its ok to call out flaws in MS games but not Sony? keep trying <3
npcs in starfield need facial muscles that actually work tho
which is true going by the reactions in this thread, its one of the few issues with the game but its just glossed over and accepted.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
If it's such a big deal, why did no previews and why have no reviews talked about it? This should be easy riiiiight?
Vroadstar
Member
It's pretty obvious a copium, considering what happened to "his favorite RPG of the last 2 generations" vs the great review scores of SP2
IGN literally mention it multiple times in their review along with others
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Cool. Then it was mentioned. Why are you bitchin'?
starfield has the scores it deserves in its current state, luckily i dont base my enjoyment on other peoples scores.It's pretty obvious a copium, considering what happened to "his favorite RPG of the last 2 generations" vs the great review scores of SP2
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
But you expect others to wallow in the misery you suffer from buggy PlayStation necks.
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Interfectum
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flaws should be noted so they can be fixed
Chuck Berry
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Don't talk about it. Be about it. Show a clip/image of this phenomenon. If it's that bad, this should be easy.
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Topher
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IGN mentions is but does not characterize it as an "issue".
"Overall, there’s slightly less emphasis on stealth encounters this time than in either Spider-Man or Miles Morales. As someone who found the stealth action of the previous games a little simplistic and routine, this new, louder approach is welcome. Naturally, there are story missions where Miles or Peter have to slink across ceilings and take out thugs who never look up, but Spider-Man 2 is much more eager for you to get into the action, with many abilities designed to let you group up enemies and then deal big damage to all of them at once, rather than spreading them out to pick them off one by one."
And IGN speaks favorably of the web line.
"There are many perch takedown possibilities offered and new toys to play with too, such as the Web Line, which allows you to create your own highwires over your enemies to prey on them from above. It’s a fun tool that allows you to reshape the tightly designed arenas into a battlefield more in your favour, and in doing so, redecorate the room with web-wrapped people piñatas. On the other hand, much like combat, stealth isn’t a far cry from the many warehouse encounters you’ll have played in the previous games, as you clear out enemies using largely the same techniques."
Marvel's Spider-Man 2 Review - IGN
Marvel's Spider-Man 2 delivers Insomniac's best tale yet, and despite its open world falling short, is a reliably fun superhero power trip.
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saintjules
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Chuck Berry
Gold Member
And IGN speaks favorably of the web line.
"There are many perch takedown possibilities offered and new toys to play with too, such as the Web Line, which allows you to create your own highwires over your enemies to prey on them from above. It’s a fun tool that allows you to reshape the tightly designed arenas into a battlefield more in your favour, and in doing so, redecorate the room with web-wrapped people piñatas. On the other hand, much like combat, stealth isn’t a far cry from the many warehouse encounters you’ll have played in the previous games, as you clear out enemies using largely the same techniques."
Marvel's Spider-Man 2 Review - IGN
Marvel's Spider-Man 2 delivers Insomniac's best tale yet, and despite its open world falling short, is a reliably fun superhero power trip.www.ign.com
Topher
Gold Member
It's pretty obvious a copium, considering what happened to "his favorite RPG of the last 2 generations" vs the great review scores of SP2
I'm a fan of Starfield as well, but this is clearly petty warrior nonsense. I mean.....the guy announced his intention here to highlight "issues" that Microsoft/Nintendo wouldn't "get away with". This is simply the best he could come up with. lol
Edit: Kind of hilarious that he has become in this thread exactly what he complained about in the Starfield review thread.....
10 hours in and it's a Bethesda RPG in space, Star Effect, exactly what I was expecting.
It's so easy to tell the people on here who are just shit posting about the game from just having watched it on twitch rather than playing it, it's embarrassing
Don't understand people saying it feels laggy etc too, the controls are very responsive and tight for a 30fps title, once again they seem to be just shit posting from what they've read elsewhere, either that or they have some poor man's Chinese knock off TV with 200ms screen lag.
Solid 8/10 from me so far, could move to a 9/10 once I play the main quests more, could drop to a 7/10 if my adoring fan* doesn't stfu before I put a bullet in his skull.
(Yes my choice, I low key like the punishment of his whiney little voice)
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Vroadstar
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Bernardougf
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I have ... but no point in playing right now ... the time for day 1 games for me has ended .... and since Im already going to wait better wait to play on the PRO with more/better perfomanceSame here. I have to wait, 'cause I don't have a PS5 yet, and at this point, I prefer to wait for the PS5 PRO
OGM_Madness
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Insomniac can go ahead and fix those damn necks, after Bethesda fixes whatever this is:
vaibhavpisal
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While it's great to see game getting high metascore, I am still unable to see how it justifies it.
Hopefully GAF will be able to point out after playing it what's so special about it. I mean, 91 is like.... holy shit, GOTG contender type of score. From what I have seen of the game it looks like a good 8/10 type of game.
Not saying it doesn't deserve it. Haven't played it. Just curious what sets it apart from predecessor apart from minor improvements.
OGM_Madness
Member
You sound like that guy that didn’t buy the iPhone 7 because he might as well wait for the iPhone 8… he still doesn’t have an iPhone, might as well hold on for the iPhone 16
vaibhavpisal
Member
First point out this level of interactivity in any other game.
Then point out a game that does it better than Bethesda game.
Would be much simpler for Bethesda to completely remove interactivity and make those static objects.
Quiet audacious to criticise this aspect when other games are basically window dressing.
Markio128
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Why over-think these things? Maybe it’s just a fun as fuck video game, made with passion and care? That’s the impression I get prior to playing it for myself.
X-Wing
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Caio
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Spiderman2 already looks and performs great on a base PS5, but sure, patched for a PRO Model is gonna be even better.
I generally don't play Day One when it comes to huge games, which will need patches to fix bugs, improve performance, etc, like Fallout Games, Elden Ring or even GTA. I prefer to wait at least 6 months. Talking about a game like Spiderman2, the wait is basicly for the ones who don't have a PS5 yet, or the ones, like you, who want even better visual and performance on a PRO.
I can't wait
Bernardougf
Gold Member
No is a simples choice.. I dont play games day 01 anymore.. they are (for the most part) more expensive, have more bugs, are incomplete and with worst perfomance ... early adopters are the new beta testers ... I know that insomniac games are quite complete at launch but since I have my 1 year-later back log to go through I can wait. And knowing that the ps5 pro will be out next year at this time (probably) well even better. And maybe this game will already be on ps+ 1 year from now.. who knows, if not, well its my first buy for my ps5pro.You sound like that guy that didn’t buy the iPhone 7 because he might as well wait for the iPhone 8… he still doesn’t have an iPhone, might as well hold on for the iPhone 16
And, as I said it, I have my PS5 since launch, so your comparison is kinda off my friend.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Just because you can't justify something doesn't mean it shouldn't receive the praise it is getting.
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FunkMiller
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Sold out completely on Amazon UK.
Think this is likely to do quite well, yeah?
Think this is likely to do quite well, yeah?
Eiknarf
Member
Is this game gonna hurt the day-one sales of ALAN WAKE 2 on 10/27/23?
Last time I checked, "halloween" themed movies and decorations take place throughout ALL OF OCTOBER. Why'd Remedy wait until almost after Halloween to release a horror game? Should have released Alan Wake 2 in early October. Might as well wait until mid-November now.
Last time I checked, "halloween" themed movies and decorations take place throughout ALL OF OCTOBER. Why'd Remedy wait until almost after Halloween to release a horror game? Should have released Alan Wake 2 in early October. Might as well wait until mid-November now.
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vaibhavpisal
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I am trying to figure out what's going on here.
If this is over inflation of scores by media or justified??
If it's gonna be new normal going forward, I will adjust my expectations accordingly.
Mr Moose
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We all know why you're questioning the scores.
GHG
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I know right. There are certain other games that should have metascores in the 50's and 60's judging by how they've been recieved by the general public on Steam.
Die Namek Ability
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So thats the agenda. Games good based on scores. Play it for yourself, make your own opinion. Dont go down the conspiracy rabbit hole.
ProtoByte
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So upon actually reading and watching reviews (part of the odious Kinda Funny's included, against my better judgment), I have to give legitimacy to
vaibhavpisal
's angle. Go ahead and look at my post history, I'm pro-PlayStation - though I have expressed some disappointment in the direction of this game, and stand by those statements. Score inflation is definitely a thing, and I was hoping it's effects would diminish the closer the score got to that 90s boundary. That said, there's something to note about a game that is literally universally seen to be great or well above average. That's partially why it's hit the 90+ range - not one negative or mixed review.
It just means that you'll now how to differentiate what different 90+ scores mean with more than just the weighted average... which I guess we should've been doing anyway.
Markio128
Member
How do you adjust your expectations without playing the game first?
Rather odd view of things if you don’t mind me saying.
demigod
Member
You’re right, Starfield should’ve been 5/10 but the media “cough xbox fanboy/paid sites” over inflated the scores.
ProtoByte
Member
It indicates a pretty measured approach to reviewing the game, agreed. No questioning about whether or not there's a specific meta (politics or industry related) informing the scores.
It really is unfortunate that the games media can't keep things simple. You can smell the hesitation to give lower scores to games that deserve it simply because it's a major release with "a lot riding on it".I know right. There are certain other games that should have metascores in the 50's and 60's judging by how they've been recieved by the general public on Steam.
Gudji
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You need to play more games and raise standards.
vaibhavpisal
Member
So upon actually reading and watching reviews (part of the odious Kinda Funny's included, against my better judgment), I have to give legitimacy to
Score inflation is definitely a thing, and I was hoping it's effects would diminish the closer the score got to that 90s boundary. That said, there's something to note about a game that is literally universally seen to be great or well above average. That's partially why it's hit the 90+ range - not one negative or mixed review.
It just means that you'll now how to differentiate what different 90+ scores mean with more than just the weighted average... which I guess we should've been doing anyway.
I am willing to keep an open mind here. At some point I will get to these games, I want critic scores to be somewhat accurate.
A lot of money I spend based on YouTube videos and critic reviews. (That's all I have to base my judgement on without actually playing it).
With that said, I feel 91 is ... like... really high score. Games like Doom Eternal or Returnal (widely considered best in their genres) don't have it.
So I would be keeping eye on it if it really is that special.
saintjules
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So upon actually reading and watching reviews (part of the odious Kinda Funny's included, against my better judgment), I have to give legitimacy to
Score inflation is definitely a thing, and I was hoping it's effects would diminish the closer the score got to that 90s boundary. That said, there's something to note about a game that is literally universally seen to be great or well above average. That's partially why it's hit the 90+ range - not one negative or mixed review.
It just means that you'll now how to differentiate what different 90+ scores mean with more than just the weighted average... which I guess we should've been doing anyway.
As I've been saying on here for a while, we have to learn to not read too much into numbered scores. They mean nothing. Especially once you have the game in your hands and start playing. I don't think I could imagine anyone thinking about what xyz reviewer said in their review and the score they gave this game while they're in the midst of fighting enemies and swinging around.
I hope the number nonsense stuff comes to an end one day. People rely way too heavy on them. Pros and Cons are the way to go. I mean think about it. Someone will go apeshit because the game is an 89 versus a 90. Like wtf is that kind of mentality to have?
Listen to those from the reviewer and then make your own interpretation whether or not to buy the game, wait for a sale, or never touch it.
Edit: Here ya go
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Why not play it now and when the PS5 Pro comes out?
HeisenbergFX4
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Not in a huge hurry to play it and usually once I play these games like this once I am done with them
Mortisfacio
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Remastered is an 87 on meta and I'd give it a 70-75 at best. I still haven't even finished it because after the joys of traversal pass, it's really just not that enjoyable. Overall gameplay is pretty generic/boring, but that's how I've felt about pretty much every super hero style game.
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VanCityGamer
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It has now fallen to 90 on Metacritic.
FalsettoVibe
Member
What is there to understand?......you haven't even played the game.
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
So upon actually reading and watching reviews (part of the odious Kinda Funny's included, against my better judgment), I have to give legitimacy to
Score inflation is definitely a thing, and I was hoping it's effects would diminish the closer the score got to that 90s boundary. That said, there's something to note about a game that is literally universally seen to be great or well above average. That's partially why it's hit the 90+ range - not one negative or mixed review.
It just means that you'll now how to differentiate what different 90+ scores mean with more than just the weighted average... which I guess we should've been doing anyway.
Im pro videogames, enjoy your posts and I know what you mean.
And as I stand upon this hill of death: I dont think Ragnarok deserved all of those 9's and 10s whatsoever.
vaibhavpisal
Member
It's a taste thingy as well.
Assuming 87 for first part is accurate score, going 4 points higher on metascore would need game changing improvements. At least that's what I expect.