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Nintendo issuing refunds for Xenoblade Chronicle X Switch 2 upgrade
- Thread starter Buggy Loop
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LyricalShrike
Member
I had the same complaints when Sony wanted $10 for its upgrades at the start of PS5 generation.
cormack12
Gold Member
Exactly why I held off. For ref, I dont have the DE so this would be a full purchase for me, not the upgrade.
People need to stop giving Nintendo a pass on this shit. When Sony are ripped down for puddle gate and Series S for muddy textures. Nintendo built and designed this console for Gen 9.5/10.5. Imagine Sony giving ND their new console and them pushing out this shit patch?
People need to stop giving Nintendo a pass on this shit. When Sony are ripped down for puddle gate and Series S for muddy textures. Nintendo built and designed this console for Gen 9.5/10.5. Imagine Sony giving ND their new console and them pushing out this shit patch?
archangelmorph
Gold Member
Really sad it turned out like this. I was holding on playing X until Switch 2 patch and after seeing how fucked up the upscaler is I held buying it.
If enough peoples refund, that would probably send a signal to Monolith to get their fucking act together.
Asking money for this when the patch is so poor is a bad look. Not even close to the quality of BOTW/TOTK patches.
Something is very wrong with the handheld (in particular) visual quality.
Switch (top) vs Switch 2 (bottom), look how everything becomes wobbly, look at the united states letters
I mean people are raging at the image quality of the Switch 2 version when the first disaster is what the fuck is going on with the Switch 1 build?
Why is it such a blurry mess?
For starters, this is a fucking WiiU game..?
I'm starting to think Nintendo are playing shitty games, fucking up quality of SW1 games to try to upsell SW2, because they know they don't want to invest the dev dollars to take advantage of the hardware properly of either.
Signalis
Member
Cringe
CuteFaceJay
Member
Pretty sure the Switch 2 is only able of using DLSS 2.0 or something like that right?
Similar kind of effects can be found in Cyberpunk on this device.
Similar kind of effects can be found in Cyberpunk on this device.
Really sad it turned out like this. I was holding on playing X until Switch 2 patch and after seeing how fucked up the upscaler is I held buying it.
If enough peoples refund, that would probably send a signal to Monolith to get their fucking act together.
Asking money for this when the patch is so poor is a bad look. Not even close to the quality of BOTW/TOTK patches.
Something is very wrong with the handheld (in particular) visual quality.
Switch (top) vs Switch 2 (bottom), look how everything becomes wobbly, look at the united states letters
wait so they don't have time or money to fix it f them
Bojji
Member
It can use DLSS3.
But what this game shows don't look like any kind of DLSS I have seen unless it's upscaling from extremely low resolution:
Hudo
Member
They are usually very competent on a technical level, which makes this whole thing even more weird. I don't know about their rendering pipeline, but the artifacts look to me like they are applying some sharpening on the frame buffer before DLSS takes it to apply upscaling, which produces these warped artifacts. And it seems this only happens in portable mode?
This looks like something QA should've caught.
Shifty1897
Member
I never really noticed it on my TV but it's very noticable in handheld mode. I'm sure they will patch it soon.
calistan
Member
It looks a lot better than the Switch 1 version. I got it last summer and played a couple of hours before shelving it because a) it looked and ran like shit, and b) I was expecting / hoping for a Switch 2 patch.
Took longer than I anticipated, and paying extra for it is a kick in the balls, but at least I can play it without it being a blurry mess on a big TV.
darrylgorn
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BlackTron
Member
I'm pretty sure that you could still do it by running the Switch 1 version of the game, without the $4.99 upgrade pack which is exclusive for Switch 2. I'm 99% sure the Switch 2 Edition is the exact same game content-wise with the "upgrade" pack built-in being the ONLY difference. Unlike some other S2 editions that have exclusive content...
TidusYuna
Member
So is it just handeld where switch 2 edition has issues?
Hudo
Member
Looks like it.
Itchy Tickles
Member
While this is a thread about a Nintendo game, you are of course correct and it is gross of them too, but I don't think they have released an "upgraded" version that was worse? Or have they? (Genuine question, not being passive aggressive)
spons
Gold Member
What B team working for Monolith has crafted this amazing bullshit? It looks fucking atrocious.
It is absolutely some kind of real-time AI-based upscaler they're using because it's hallucinating all over the place.
So it cannot be FSR 1 since that is mostly "just" a Lanczos upscaling algorithm. But this doesn't look like DLSS either.
Shit, I wish it were FSR 1 like on some Switch games since at least it doesn't magically craft utter nonsense into existence.
It is absolutely some kind of real-time AI-based upscaler they're using because it's hallucinating all over the place.
So it cannot be FSR 1 since that is mostly "just" a Lanczos upscaling algorithm. But this doesn't look like DLSS either.
Shit, I wish it were FSR 1 like on some Switch games since at least it doesn't magically craft utter nonsense into existence.
BlackTron
Member
I wonder if this is one of those cases where they make the graphics "better" by increasing settings, but sometimes less is more, like how some preferred playing the PS4 version of Elden Ring on a PS5, to the PS5 version. Maybe, the scaling works great at docked native res, but falls apart at handheld resolution.
Or their tech is just complete trash and they should feel bad.
Since it straightens out in docked mode, I'm willing to give it a break...if not a complete pass lol
Or their tech is just complete trash and they should feel bad.
Since it straightens out in docked mode, I'm willing to give it a break...if not a complete pass lol
LyricalShrike
Member
I don't think it matters. Sony "Drones"(to use your phrasing) brushed away any criticism by saying the same things ("its only $X", "Only a snack", etc.). Its all gouging of a closed customer base in the end so I don't see any moral high ground. Xbox was the only one which had smart delivery to my knowledge since the keys work on any xbox and PC. The focus should be on the fact that such an anticipated update is a train wreck alone.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
I have a feeling it's the first attempt at their own upscaler which clearly needs a ton of work.
corgiix3
Member
Really sad it turned out like this. I was holding on playing X until Switch 2 patch and after seeing how fucked up the upscaler is I held buying it.
If enough peoples refund, that would probably send a signal to Monolith to get their fucking act together.
Asking money for this when the patch is so poor is a bad look. Not even close to the quality of BOTW/TOTK patches.
Something is very wrong with the handheld (in particular) visual quality.
Switch (top) vs Switch 2 (bottom), look how everything becomes wobbly, look at the united states letters
Both versions look like shit
spons
Gold Member
At least the Switch 1 version doesn't look like Van Gogh's Starry Night in motion. And that's a painting he made while in the loony bin.
SomeNorseGuy
Gold Member
Might not be an expensive upgrade but it's still embarrassing as fuck to release this to the public. You'd think someone @ Q&A would've thought of booting the game up in handheld mode. Unless they got the feedback ...and just didn't give a fuck.
I mean a straight up 60fps patch would've been more welcome then this smearing upscaling shit. Hope they release an update that gives the users the option to turn down the resolution/strength of the upscaler. I for sure would prefer a clean, if low resolution, image running at better speed.
Reminds me of the filters avalible to Snes emulators that smears the pixels into unrecognisable garbage just to get rid of the jaggies. Lol.
I mean a straight up 60fps patch would've been more welcome then this smearing upscaling shit. Hope they release an update that gives the users the option to turn down the resolution/strength of the upscaler. I for sure would prefer a clean, if low resolution, image running at better speed.
Reminds me of the filters avalible to Snes emulators that smears the pixels into unrecognisable garbage just to get rid of the jaggies. Lol.
Lionel Richie
Member
That's all they should have done, but of course it would be harder to charge money for it so we got the worst of both worlds.
Ninty fanboy here, they're desperately grasping for money like they're a fart away from bankruptcy. They've always been bad, but it was somehow manageable. Now they have upped the aggression for no reason. I can't support this shit.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Nintendo? Doing refunds? What's going on? I get the impression they're somehow aware they need to change things to get some better press. Good for them giving refunds. Not good it's necessary in the first place. Still crossing my fingers for a good patch, as I'd like to make this my first proper S2 game.
calistan
Member
I don't know, maybe I just didn't play enough of the Switch 1 version to see the flaws. Either way, it clearly doesn't have the image quality of a current gen game.
I guess I'd be disappointed if I expected it to look like something on PS5, but it's now the best looking Xenoblade game.
Horseganador
Member
Did nobody test it before releasing it? What a mess after so long asking for patches for Xenoblade.
I think the suits have control of Nintendo at this point so while they've always been greedy, the part of them that felt they had a responsibility to gaming itself is gone.
I'm not assuming one or the other. I'm asking what makes people think it's some new proprietary upscaler. Tiny DLSS doesn't keep up with fast motion but have you seen it on a very low res? The wonky lines just seem like ultra performance DLSS. That character's (Lin) hair doesn't help with the low res either.
Lionel Richie
Member
I'm not sure they have a responsibility to gaming, but they do sell a product and the correct way of selling any product is by being somewhat respectful to who's buying. They haven't been respectful at all since the Switch 2 launched.
bender
What time is it?
I don't see a way to run the Switch 1 digital version on Switch 2.
bumpkin
Member
Nobody likes chipped beef. Toothy head is the worst.
Sucks that they kinda dropped the ball on this update. The graphics pipeline in Monolith's engine clearly doesn't play nicely with DLSS. They should have just uncapped the frame rate so it runs at 60 and release that as a free patch. It's kind of weird that their teams didn't notice something looked off before rubber stamping the upgrade.
BlackTron
Member
Not sure what you mean, generally all Switch 1 software is supported on Switch 2...sometimes it might force a patch, but not a paid upgrade.
You mean you own the digital version of the Switch 1 game, and it won't launch in S2??
Fbh
Gold Member
Shame that upgrade sucks.
From what I remember Monolith helped out the Zelda team a lot with the tech in creating the open world of BOTW. Maybe the Zelda team can now return the favor and show the how to make a decent Switch 2 version
Selling a Pokemon game for just $20 and having to give out refunds on the same week?
Some Nintendo executives are going to need years of PTSD therapy to get over the events of this week.
From what I remember Monolith helped out the Zelda team a lot with the tech in creating the open world of BOTW. Maybe the Zelda team can now return the favor and show the how to make a decent Switch 2 version
Selling a Pokemon game for just $20 and having to give out refunds on the same week?
Some Nintendo executives are going to need years of PTSD therapy to get over the events of this week.
Signalis
Member
They licensed PSSR from Sony
delishcaek
Member
They are known for shitty image quality (especially handheld) and never fixing it. XB2's over sharpened look is pretty much iconic at this point.
bender
What time is it?
No, I mean if you on the game digitally and buy the upgrade path, there doesn't appear to be a way to run the original Switch 1 version (non-upgraded) on your Switch 2. So if you are unhappy with the upscaling noise this upgrade introduced, you are stuck with it. It would be akin to running the PS4 version of Elden Ring on your PS5 for best performance at the sacrifice of visuals or Steam's/GoG's version history allowing you to play on a previous patch version of a game should the latest patch introduce issues.
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Same ol G
Member
I didn't check yet but isn't it posssible to unload the dlc license from the system, that way it shouldn't install by itself.
bender
What time is it?
Dunno. I upgraded Kirby and my only Virtual Card is for the Switch 2 version.
