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Playstation 3D Display - Pics and Info
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The Elite
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That's what I figured. So I switched the resolution in the Nvidia to 1080p/24hz and tried the setup again. Same error. Same with 720p 60hz. Although, in this formats the Active Shutter glasses do auto activate but I'm not seeing any 3D on the 3D Vision website. I assume the configuration has to actually work for that to happen.yanhero said:
FYI - I have downloaded 3DTV Play to my PC. At least the trial version.
The Elite
BOSS
Managed to get 3D working on my PC.
Downloaded the 3DTV Play trial from http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-14day-trial.html
Downloaded the .inf file from http://blog.bagearon.com/downloads/NVIDIA-UN-3DTV.inf
Went into Device Manager, selected my Generic PNP Monitor, right click on it and told it I wanted to update my driver. Instead of an auto update, I searched my HDD myself. Said that I had the disk and looked for the .inf file.
Windows updated the driver. I rebooted my machine and "voila" my 3DTV Play is working. Under 1080p24hz of course.
Can't get Youtube 3D to work but everything off of Nvidias vision live site works.
Up next, I'm going to try a game.
Downloaded the 3DTV Play trial from http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-14day-trial.html
Downloaded the .inf file from http://blog.bagearon.com/downloads/NVIDIA-UN-3DTV.inf
Went into Device Manager, selected my Generic PNP Monitor, right click on it and told it I wanted to update my driver. Instead of an auto update, I searched my HDD myself. Said that I had the disk and looked for the .inf file.
Windows updated the driver. I rebooted my machine and "voila" my 3DTV Play is working. Under 1080p24hz of course.
Can't get Youtube 3D to work but everything off of Nvidias vision live site works.
Up next, I'm going to try a game.
DoctorWho said:Managed to get 3D working on my PC.
Downloaded the 3DTV Play trial from http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-14day-trial.html
Downloaded the .inf file from http://blog.bagearon.com/downloads/NVIDIA-UN-3DTV.inf
Went into Device Manager, selected my Generic PNP Monitor, right click on it and told it I wanted to update my driver. Instead of an auto update, I searched my HDD myself. Said that I had the disk and looked for the .inf file.
Windows updated the driver. I rebooted my machine and "voila" my 3DTV Play is working. Under 1080p24hz of course.
Can't get Youtube 3D to work but everything off of Nvidias vision live site works.
Up next, I'm going to try a game.
Did you buy this for primarily PC 3D gaming? Because I'm sure there are better options that will accommodate PS3 3D gaming as well as PC 3D gaming.
This for instance, is amazing: http://www.amazon.com/Acer-HN274H-BMIIID-27-Inch-Monitor/dp/B004YCMEJU and the 24 inch version is also good. Just saying there are better and cheaper alternatives, although reading through your older posts I would agree that the games you got with the trade in makes it a good deal.
The Elite
BOSS
kneePat said:
Bought this cause I managed to get it for only $100 with a bunch of trade-ins I had from a Blockbuster closing sale. That plus the three games included made it a good deal. Not planning to do much PC3D gaming on it. For example: Sonic Generations runs smooth as butter in 3D on this thing (surprising when you consider that I'm 24hz mode) but Skyrim run like ass in 3D. My GTX 460 just won't cut it. I have a second PS3 hooked up to it in the bedroom for gaming as well.
IllumiNate
Member
Doesnt playing in 24hz mean that your capped at 24 fps? or am I wrong. I have Nvidia 3d play hooked to my television aswell but don't even bother since I either have to play at 720p at 60 Fps or 1080p at 24 fps correct?
can you play on 720p60hz?DoctorWho said:Managed to get 3D working on my PC.
Downloaded the 3DTV Play trial from http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-14day-trial.html
Downloaded the .inf file from http://blog.bagearon.com/downloads/NVIDIA-UN-3DTV.inf
Went into Device Manager, selected my Generic PNP Monitor, right click on it and told it I wanted to update my driver. Instead of an auto update, I searched my HDD myself. Said that I had the disk and looked for the .inf file.
Windows updated the driver. I rebooted my machine and "voila" my 3DTV Play is working. Under 1080p24hz of course.
Can't get Youtube 3D to work but everything off of Nvidias vision live site works.
Up next, I'm going to try a game.
The Elite
BOSS
goku3000 said:
I haven't tried it yet but I believe so. Do you need me to try?
CottonBaller said:
Sonic Generations ran surprisingly fast, almost as if it didn't give a fuck about 24fps. Didn't seem that slow compared to the usual speed I'm use to playing at on my PC. Skyrim took forever to load and ran sluggishly. I could probably knock quality down but I'd rather just play in 2D then.
Also, played Resistance 3 on my PS3 and that first level is phenomenal in 3D. With all the shit flying around whilst being in a firefight. Very good use of 3D.
The Elite
BOSS
goku3000 said:
Ran both Sonic Generations and Skyrim. Both ran well. Generations was smooth and colourful. Skyrim run a lot smoother at 720p but it's still hovering around 30fps at that level. Remember, I'm running on a 460. Still, it was definitely playable. Got into a few fights and had no problems.
The Elite
BOSS
goku3000 said:
It's good as a PC Monitor. Of course, I'm coming from a previous monitor that couldn't do 1080p so everything automatically looks better. Wish it had a DVI/VGA port though. I always find the image of those ports a lot sharper than HDMI.
Edit: Forgot to mention, this display has a "PSP Zoom Mode" that lets you play PSP Games full screen on the device. Haven't tried it yet.
MeBecomingI
Member
How is the colour on the display in general? I've seen you mention Sonic was colourful, but the game was designed like that. I've heard some complaints from people that the colour seems a little washed out. I kind of tossed it aside as lack of calibration and basic brightness and contrast setting adjustment, but if there are some strange issues with colour spectrum, it would nice to know.
I was thinking of picking one up soon and using at a second computer monitor.
I was thinking of picking one up soon and using at a second computer monitor.
The Elite
BOSS
MeBecomingI said:
On default I think that Skyrim looks a bit washed out to me. Any game in 3D is going to have colour issues as well. Looking at pics and watching video seemed fine. There are colour settings that can be adjust in the menus. The backlight, as expected, is turned up to 10.
I cancelled my Amazon pre-order and bought this today from GameStop because they are actually in stock and are giving Uncharted 3 for free with it.
Have only played 360 on it for a couple hours, so no 3D stuff yet. Maybe later tonight if I have time to hook up my PS3. I have Lion King 3D waiting to be watched, and I have never watched any movie in 3D yet, so I am looking forward to that.
Overall first impression: it's okay. When Sony first announced this, the specs on their website said it is a VA panel with 3000 or 4000 contrast ratio (I forget which exactly) and 4 or 5ms refresh rate. These detailed specs have since been taken down on the Sony PlayStation website, and replaced with marketing jargon like "best-in-class 3D".
I'm not a hardcore videophile, so I don't know anything about calibrating my TVs/monitors, but I do always fiddle with a TV's menu options. The options on the PS Display are pretty simple, or scarce depending on how you look at it. For video, you have adjustments for backlight level, brightness, contrast, color, hue, sharpness and 3 color temps to choose from (warm, normal, cool). No other adjustments that are common in many TVs today, like dynamic contrast, different gamma/black levels, or whatnot. This is fine by me, because I always disable those extra "enhancements" on my TVs anyways. No individual RGB sliders to adjust.
For sound, you can adjust treble and bass. No equalizer. Sound quality when I played a few games was so-so. Though I guess there's only so much you can do with the built-in 3 watts per channel and the 5 watt built-in subwoofer (those numbers according to the official specs).
Contrast levels seem okay, I'm used to the average 1000:1 for smaller LCD's, and this seems slightly higher, though I don't have any tools to measure this stuff. Don't know if it's as high as the original specs say, though I doubt it. Overall image is decent, and I thought the colors were nice and well-saturated at the default 50 out of 100 color setting.
I've never seen or used a 3D display before, and thus don't know if 120hz/240hz LCDs are supposed to be any different image-wise, but when I was playing Modern Warfare 3 and some old demos it didn't feel any different than any of my other 60hz LCDs. I thought these higher refresh rate panels were supposed to eliminate ghosting, but the PS Display (supposedly 240hz) does exhibit ghosting. When you look around like in a fps game there's that typical lcd blurring.
Can't say much about input lag, I'm not too sensitive to it and don't know how to measure it. I'm fine with my Dell U2410 which is measured in reviews to be ~24ms.
The screen itself is semi-glossy... more glossy than matte. Doesn't seem as egregious as some glossy screens I've seen, but again, more gloss than matte.
And I had to use standard black levels in the 360's display options. Usually, monitors support the expanded level, but this does not.
Will post more impressions when I can, hopefully after I've watched some 3D stuff.
Have only played 360 on it for a couple hours, so no 3D stuff yet. Maybe later tonight if I have time to hook up my PS3. I have Lion King 3D waiting to be watched, and I have never watched any movie in 3D yet, so I am looking forward to that.
Overall first impression: it's okay. When Sony first announced this, the specs on their website said it is a VA panel with 3000 or 4000 contrast ratio (I forget which exactly) and 4 or 5ms refresh rate. These detailed specs have since been taken down on the Sony PlayStation website, and replaced with marketing jargon like "best-in-class 3D".
I'm not a hardcore videophile, so I don't know anything about calibrating my TVs/monitors, but I do always fiddle with a TV's menu options. The options on the PS Display are pretty simple, or scarce depending on how you look at it. For video, you have adjustments for backlight level, brightness, contrast, color, hue, sharpness and 3 color temps to choose from (warm, normal, cool). No other adjustments that are common in many TVs today, like dynamic contrast, different gamma/black levels, or whatnot. This is fine by me, because I always disable those extra "enhancements" on my TVs anyways. No individual RGB sliders to adjust.
For sound, you can adjust treble and bass. No equalizer. Sound quality when I played a few games was so-so. Though I guess there's only so much you can do with the built-in 3 watts per channel and the 5 watt built-in subwoofer (those numbers according to the official specs).
Contrast levels seem okay, I'm used to the average 1000:1 for smaller LCD's, and this seems slightly higher, though I don't have any tools to measure this stuff. Don't know if it's as high as the original specs say, though I doubt it. Overall image is decent, and I thought the colors were nice and well-saturated at the default 50 out of 100 color setting.
I've never seen or used a 3D display before, and thus don't know if 120hz/240hz LCDs are supposed to be any different image-wise, but when I was playing Modern Warfare 3 and some old demos it didn't feel any different than any of my other 60hz LCDs. I thought these higher refresh rate panels were supposed to eliminate ghosting, but the PS Display (supposedly 240hz) does exhibit ghosting. When you look around like in a fps game there's that typical lcd blurring.
Can't say much about input lag, I'm not too sensitive to it and don't know how to measure it. I'm fine with my Dell U2410 which is measured in reviews to be ~24ms.
The screen itself is semi-glossy... more glossy than matte. Doesn't seem as egregious as some glossy screens I've seen, but again, more gloss than matte.
And I had to use standard black levels in the 360's display options. Usually, monitors support the expanded level, but this does not.
Will post more impressions when I can, hopefully after I've watched some 3D stuff.
Cancelled my amazon order and got it at Best Buy. It is an upgrade from my 22" monitor! I didn't mess around with any settings or anything.
Played some Super Stardust HD in 3D... wow. All the particles flying around give it some great depth. Haven't tired much else, but I wish it had a remote
Played some Super Stardust HD in 3D... wow. All the particles flying around give it some great depth. Haven't tired much else, but I wish it had a remote
AbsoluteZero
Banned
DoctorWho said:
It's neat that they put that much thought into it.
Personally, I'm interested in it, but without owning a PS3 it seems a bit of a silly purchase.
ShabbadooJr
Member
So it shipped to me, and should arrive today. The best part is Amazon did end up only charging me $53.98 for the whole thing!
ShabbadooJr
Member
Just received the Amazon Pre-order Price Guarantee e-mail stating I have saved $450 dollars from the price on my order date. Score!
plagiarize
Banned
So glad to see a bunch more people joining the 3d gaming club.
Arpeggio23
Member
ShabbadooJr said:
Please let us know if this holds up in a week or two's time. If so, I'll have to figure out how I can convince Best Buy to match the price!
When did you pre-order? I pre-ordered in September and had it sitting in my orders queue at the $49.99 pricing error too, but now it appears they are back-ordered and only got enough to cover the very earliest pre-orders (in August). They'll probably catch/fix the pricing error soon, anyways. Still, would've been sweet to get it at that price.ShabbadooJr said:
Either way, my unit from GameStop has no flaws in the screen, so I guess I shouldn't complain about paying the "actual" price.
Additional impressions: screen is actually quite glossy... I'll retract my "semi-glossy" comment above. Oh well. There are some benefits to glossy screens, I guess.
Watched a little bit of Lion King 3D. Was not mind-blowing. Some scenes had this weird double image going on with some edges. Especially noticeable at the very beginning scenes showing the cliff edge against the blue sky background and the various running animal legs. I guess this is just part of current 3D tech?
I tried changing the screen size option in the PS3 menu (read in the OLED head-mounted display thread that doing this will up the 3D "depth" effect you get), but couldn't really tell any difference between 10 to 24 inch. I'll just leave it at 23" since this is technically a 23.5" screen.
Have yet to try any 3D games, I only have the 360 and PS3 (no beastly gaming PC), and from what I've read on gaf, turning on 3D mode in console games usually also sacrifices things like resolution, graphics effects and framerate, so I'll keep my expectations in check.
Side note: I wear glasses, and the 3D glasses that come with this display fit over my glasses pretty comfortably, so that's good.
Hope other people chime in with impressions. Wondering if anyone more professionally capable can measure stuff like contrast ratio, input lag, etc. because I do like to know those things.
Arpeggio23
Member
madmook said:
Just in case you didn't see it, the manual specifically instructs you to set it to 24".
Sort of debating snagging one as a replacement monitor for my PC myself. I have a Radeon 4890 card, so I am unsure how well 3D is even supported with that(if at all) for PC gaming, but I am also continually curious about connecting it for 3D gaming via my PS3.
Regardless, I currently have a Dell 24" monitor I use for my PC and hope to hear some more thoughts on this Sony panel as a dedicated PC monitor replacement for that.
Keep impressions coming.
Regardless, I currently have a Dell 24" monitor I use for my PC and hope to hear some more thoughts on this Sony panel as a dedicated PC monitor replacement for that.
Keep impressions coming.
Arpeggio23
Member
Is 10 the max setting for Backlight? I haven't fiddled with it, and if someone has that information on hand, I'd appreciate it.
AbsoluteZero
Banned
I saw last night that Best Buy has these set up on their PS3 demo units now, though the 3D isn't enabled.
A sharp, nice looking display. If I were in the market for a TV I'd probably pick it up, though as I mentioned earlier, I don't own a PS3 so about half of the reason to own one is out the window.
A sharp, nice looking display. If I were in the market for a TV I'd probably pick it up, though as I mentioned earlier, I don't own a PS3 so about half of the reason to own one is out the window.
ShabbadooJr
Member
Got it and set it up. The TV is pretty good, the black levels are real good. The TV is so damn glossy it doubles as a mirror. The 3D is a nice touch and the glasses aren't too uncomfortable. I have yet to test the Simulview, because I only own 1 pair of glasses.
I also got an email from Amazon yesterday telling me since I pre-ordered the TV during the beginning phase, I also get a free copy of Resistance 3. The I paid 53.98 for the TV - 52.08 I paid for Resistance, mean I paid 2 bucks for both! Score!
I also got an email from Amazon yesterday telling me since I pre-ordered the TV during the beginning phase, I also get a free copy of Resistance 3. The I paid 53.98 for the TV - 52.08 I paid for Resistance, mean I paid 2 bucks for both! Score!
demigod
Member
$399 one day sale at Fry's today. http://www.frys.com/product/6713355?site=sa:adpages page:saturday
The Elite
BOSS
That's insane that they honoured this deal. Great stuff.
Haven't seen anything more than a non-commital "input lag is good" in the reviews. My monitor just arrived today, so I decided to test it out.
Did some captures using Casio EX-F1, which can do 60 photographs per second. Component cable split. Unfortunately being a PAL PS3, it goes to 50i for 576i, where 60i or 60p would have been ideal. I think the results still are relevant.
CRT on the left, LCD on the right. Swapped the connections over on the splitter at half time to ensure that it was equal (and was).
http://www.mediafire.com/?82gzczjf0t325cj
Appears that the 3D monitor lags about 3 frames behind the CRT for input display and hit marker appearing.
Disappointing.
Did some captures using Casio EX-F1, which can do 60 photographs per second. Component cable split. Unfortunately being a PAL PS3, it goes to 50i for 576i, where 60i or 60p would have been ideal. I think the results still are relevant.
CRT on the left, LCD on the right. Swapped the connections over on the splitter at half time to ensure that it was equal (and was).
http://www.mediafire.com/?82gzczjf0t325cj
Appears that the 3D monitor lags about 3 frames behind the CRT for input display and hit marker appearing.
Disappointing.
http://www.mediafire.com/?vbb03hb1ndmby35
Another test, with an LED attached to the button. The green light (just below the green light of the display) will go out when a button is pressed.
This was done at 720x60P via HDMI.
Looks like the command appears on screen 5-6 frames after it is input (counting the input frame as frame 0.)
Based off digital foundry's testing, this would suggest 1-2F of input lag, I think.
Another test, with an LED attached to the button. The green light (just below the green light of the display) will go out when a button is pressed.
This was done at 720x60P via HDMI.
Looks like the command appears on screen 5-6 frames after it is input (counting the input frame as frame 0.)
Based off digital foundry's testing, this would suggest 1-2F of input lag, I think.