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[ReBurn]

If he did give his salary to charity I'm sure his campaign and supporters would not be shy about letting us know about it.

That's how health care will be funded under his administration.

 

[Dude Abides]

That's how health care will be funded under his administration.

Makes sense. In the free-market libertopia health care costs will be so low that $400,000 will cover everyone in the country.

 

[ReBurn]

Makes sense. In the free-market libertopia health care costs will be so low that $400,000 will cover everyone in the country.

And if it doesn't, there's always charities.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/201...ovide-health-care-to-the-uninsured/?mobile=nc

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Doesn't Ron Paul believe a business owner should have the right to not service a black family? Or am I thinking of Rand Paul?

 

[Measley]

Government creates government jobs. Ron Paul is not so moronic to not know that or acknowledge that. Paul's thing is that government doesn't create private sector jobs and that regulating free markets destroys private sector jobs.

Except that he never says that government doesn't create "private sector jobs". He says that government doesn't create jobs period. In other words, government never created the job he has currently had for over 2 decades. You're right, it is a moronic statement for a government employee to make.

The position that Ron Paul shouldn't serve in Congress or take money for work he does in Congress, simply because "government doesn't create jobs" is a straw man.

Hardly. Its called standing by the principles you preach. You simply can't sit back and say that government doesn't create jobs while you work at a government created job making six figures, while the average American makes 35k a year.

 

[Volimar]

Doesn't Ron Paul believe a business owner should have the right to not service a black family? Or am I thinking of Rand Paul?

He mostly passes the buck to the states.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

He mostly passes the buck to the states.

Well, yeah, but racial discrimination? Afterall, he was against the civil rights act.

 

[Measley]

Doesn't Ron Paul believe a business owner should have the right to not service a black family? Or am I thinking of Rand Paul?

They both believe that. They think the Civil Rights Act was a huge overreach of government power. Another reason I could never vote for the guy.

Oh, and this is funny;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s66bTshO1jM

 

[ReBurn]

Except that he never says that government doesn't create "private sector jobs". He says that government doesn't create jobs period. In other words, government never created the job he has currently had for over 2 decades. You're right, it is a moronic statement for a government employee to make.



Hardly. Its called standing by the principles you preach. You simply can't sit back and say that government doesn't create jobs while you work at a government created job making six figures, while the average American makes 35k a year.

http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-09-19/r...ney-on-pretend-make-work-government-programs/

Time index 2:10 - 2:17

These, in addition to an already hostile regulatory environment, only add to the burden and risk of job creation in the private economy.

 

[Future PhaZe]

I'm guessing this vid is old news here on PoliGAF but this was cold blooded by Romney...wow.

Will provide another link later.

 

[ToxicAdam]

It would be amazing if Ron Paul finished strong in SC, the great bastion of military reverence. I just don't see how he can get more than 20-23 percent.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhWA6f0NsRm7IwO5Q8

I'm guessing this vid is old news here on PoliGAF but this was cold blooded by Romney...wow.

You couldn't find a better source for that video except WSHH?

 

[Measley]

http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-09-19/r...ney-on-pretend-make-work-government-programs/

Time index 2:10 - 2:17

Texas Rep. Ron Paul, campaigning in Iowa the same day that Gov. Rick Perry’s swooping in for a couple of stops, took a bit of a dig at the governor’s jobs message without naming him at a stop in Winterset.

“Presidents can’t create jobs. Government can’t create jobs. All they can do is create bureaucrats that interfere with your ability to create jobs,” Paul said to applause from a crowd of about 120 at the Northside Cafe..

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/08/paul-presidents-dont-create-jobs/

Rand Paul;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfYVgSJlr08

 

[Future PhaZe]

You couldn't find a better source for that video except WSHH?

Nope, anyone else is free to provide one though. Vid is of Romney walking away from someone sick arguing for medical marijuana and smiling.

 

[Cyan]

You couldn't find a better source for that video except WSHH?

Seriously. Not giving that site hits.

 

[nib95]

They both believe that. They think the Civil Rights Act was a huge overreach of government power. Another reason I could never vote for the guy.

Oh, and this is funny;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s66bTshO1jM

I don't see how it is. He's explained his position on this before. He's against it, but if it's being done anyway, he'll use it to try and get the money to the people he's representing. Which makes sense. Better than being left in the dark, whilst others instead benefit, and his own state lose out.

 

[Cyan]

I don't see how it is. He's explained his position on this before. He's against it, but if it's being done anyway, he'll use it to try and get the money to the people he's representing. Which makes sense. Better than being left in the dark, whilst others instead benefit, and his own state lose out.

"Everyone else is roiding, so I had to do it too!"

 

[Measley]

I don't see how it is. He's explained his position on this before. He's against it, but if it's being done anyway, he'll use it to try and get the money to the people he's representing.

Which means he's not really against it.

 

[Measley]

Nope, anyone else is free to provide one though. Vid is of Romney walking away from someone sick arguing for medical marijuana and smiling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qS82ihxvIc

There, now people can avoid WSHH.

And yeah, Romney is a real PoS.

 

[JCreasy]

Best explanation I've seen on the Romney Bain situation . . .

What Romney Bain Actually Did That People Don't Like

For all the back and forth about Bain, what CAPITALIST Warren Buffett mentions is the key point. And there was a way they did this with that portion of their business, including Bain. People seem to be missing it.

When I ask whether Mitt Romney is a job creator or destroyer, Buffett says that while businesses shouldn't keep people they don't need, "I don't like what private-equity firms do in terms of taking out every dime they can and leveraging [companies] up so that they really aren't equipped, in some cases, for the future."

First, you go in and stream-line the company for maximum profitability. That makes it look golden. Then you take it public with an IPO. In different cases, Bain would raise tens of millions of dollars, but they would also take out millions in profit. Their margins were often far above what the margin of the company might be on an ongoing basis. So, Bain's profits weren't what one who was building a business over the long haul might expect. It represented a huge, one-time hit. That also puts the lie to Romney's job creation numbers. They weren't in it for the long haul.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carni...-bain-actually-did-that-people-dont-like.html

It kind of reminds me of the philosophy behind mortgage-backed securities if you think about it.

 

[Karma Kramer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qS82ihxvIc

There, now people can avoid WSHH.

And yeah, Romney is a real PoS.

Damn

 

[Cmagus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qS82ihxvIc

There, now people can avoid WSHH.

And yeah, Romney is a real PoS.

Don't understand why people don't see this. Romney is such a weasel it's not funny a guy like this as president would be incredibly dangerous.

 

[jamesinclair]

I live the absolutely ludicrous claims that the Bain attacks dont "resonate" with republicans.

Are memories so short that the Tea Party has been forgotten?

Here are a few things you may remember seeing on posters:

Fat Cats
Wall Street Bailouts
Main Street not Wall Street
Cronies

Ring any bells?

 

[Measley]

I live the absolutely ludicrous claims that the Bain attacks dont "resonate" with republicans.

Are memories so short that the Tea Party has been forgotten?

Here are a few things you may remember seeing on posters:

Fat Cats
Wall Street Bailouts
Main Street not Wall Street
Cronies

Ring any bells?

The Tea Party didn't really care about any of that. All the cared about was the BLACK man in the WHITE house. That's why you have Tea Party politicians like Nikki Haley supporting Romney.

 

[RDreamer]

I still think it'll resonate with a good chunk of Republicans. Fact is that there are a lot that pretty well vote against their own interests by voting Republican. They're the working middle class types. They'll believe what the party advertises and says to them about the job creators and all that, but I think that only goes so far. They still sympathize with people losing their jobs, and I think if you make them confront that reality it might resonate with a good chunk of them. There's still probably a larger chunk that it might resonate a bit with, but they won't dare vote Democrat because the religious ties of the right has them by the neck. Still, I think a few will be swayed or could be swayed.

 

[rohlfinator]

The Tea Party didn't really care about any of that. All the cared about was the BLACK man in the WHITE house. That's why you have Tea Party politicians like Nikki Haley supporting Romney.

I'm no fan of the Tea Party but I don't think it's fair to paint them with that broad of a brush. No doubt the movement picked up a lot of racists, but I think there's still a pretty big chunk that was genuinely in it for the fiscal responsibility angle.

I agree with RDreamer that a lot (probably most) of them will settle for Romney regardless.

 

[jamesinclair]

The Tea Party didn't really care about any of that. All the cared about was the BLACK man in the WHITE house. That's why you have Tea Party politicians like Nikki Haley supporting Romney.

No, the republican hijacking of the tea party doesnt care, but the movement does.

The whole reason the tea party exploded was because of the stimulus and TARP. It was about giving taxpayer handouts to billionaires while "main street" was dying.

9. Avoid the Pitfalls of Politics - American politics is burdened by big money from lobbyists and special interests with an undue influence on the peoples’ representatives. The Tea Party movement is seen as a threat to the entrenched political parties and thus is the continual target of smear campaigns and misrepresentation of its ideals

http://www.teaparty-platform.com/

The Koch brothers dont agree with this obviously, but those holding the signs do.

And thats what Romney is, big money and special interests.


And how about the number 1 issue of reducing spending?

Is Mitt "lets go to war in Iran" Romney someone they can trust to cut spending...?

 

[thatbox]

Jared Bernstein:

When Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney asserted that federal low-income programs are administered so inefficiently that “very little of the money that’s actually needed by those that really need help, those that can’t care for themselves, actually reaches them,” my colleagues at the CBPP got to work on this graph.​

 

[mckmas8808]

Are you against all undercover journalism or just when it exposes things that make your side look bad?

I'm against all undercover journalism if the journalist has to break the law in order to find out the supposed "truth".

I'm for undercover journalism if it's agreed on with the city/county/state police or business being investigated. Had they alerted the county or state that they wanted to do this then by all means go ahead.

 

[The Librarian]

Jared Bernstein:

When Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney asserted that federal low-income programs are administered so inefficiently that “very little of the money that’s actually needed by those that really need help, those that can’t care for themselves, actually reaches them,” my colleagues at the CBPP got to work on this graph.​

I'd like to see a comparison between that chart and the benefits offered through insurance companies plus administrative costs.

Wait! I've already spoiled it for myself. Insurance companies would be less efficient.

 

[AlteredBeast]

I'd like to see a comparison between that chart and the benefits offered through insurance companies plus administrative costs.

Wait! I've already spoiled it for myself. Insurance companies would be less efficient.

Probably by quite a wide margin I would think.

 

[RustyNails]

I'm against all undercover journalism if the journalist has to break the law in order to find out the supposed "truth".

I'm for undercover journalism if it's agreed on with the city/county/state police or business being investigated. Had they alerted the county or state that they wanted to do this then by all means go ahead.

Laws are not be-all and end-all of all things decent and standard. I'm OK with breaking laws, provided they are inhumane. Civil Rights movement was about breaking laws, termed "civil disobedience" by Gandhi and INC. OWS is also a form of civil disobedience. Undercover journalism, which hardly exists anymore, isn't just sting operations and expose. At it's core, it's about finding the truth. This is achieved only if you have integrity and no bias, and your only goal is the truth and nothing else. O Keefe and that other scumbag are neither journalists nor reporters. They're agenda-driven lackeys of an establishment much bigger than them. They're not after truth. They're after entrapment and incrimination of their opponents and liberals. These scumbags do not deserve to be spoken in the same sentence as journalism unless its "they don't know shit about journalism"

 

[elrechazado]

The Tea Party didn't really care about any of that. All the cared about was the BLACK man in the WHITE house.

This is some hilarious bullshit revisionism. Typical though.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

This is some hilarious bullshit revisionism. Typical though.

I wouldn't call it revisionism. Revisionism requires something resembling a thought process.

 

[Chichikov]

I'm against all undercover journalism if the journalist has to break the law in order to find out the supposed "truth".

I'm for undercover journalism if it's agreed on with the city/county/state police or business being investigated. Had they alerted the county or state that they wanted to do this then by all means go ahead.

I see your avatar is ironic.

 

[Cyan]

This is some hilarious bullshit revisionism. Typical though.

It's not new, people said the exact same thing at the time.

I wouldn't call it revisionism. Revisionism requires something resembling a thought process.

Not at all. It doesn't take any thought process to proclaim Reagan the defeater of communism and the greatest President evar.

 

[PhoenixDark]

The Tea Party didn't really care about any of that. All the cared about was the BLACK man in the WHITE house. That's why you have Tea Party politicians like Nikki Haley supporting Romney.

I think you're cool and everything, but these types of posts are embarrassing and out of line. And as a foreigner, the posts stick out even more considering you don't live here/aren't qualified to make so many generalizations. No offense, just my opinion.

There are certainly many tea partiers and conservatives who have a problem with race. I think this is especially on display when we see the responses black conservatives get, who are hailed as "independent thinkers" who have escaped the "liberal plantation" - insinuating that 95% of black people are either dumb or brainwashed. That being said, most tea partiers are not racist, and neither are most republicans.

As we saw in West Virginia back in 08, racists don't belong to one party in this country.

 

[TestOfTide]

I think you're cool and everything, but these types of posts are embarrassing and out of line. And as a foreigner, the posts stick out even more considering you don't live here/aren't qualified to make so many generalizations. No offense, just my opinion.

You should have just posted a recent daily show clip in response, because it takes a lot less effort:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-january-12-2012/civil-disservice

 

[Oblivion]

Ugh. So Jon Stewart did his periodic token false equivalency bit yesterday. He targeted some broad who called the tea baggers "economic terrorists" for the debt ceiling fiasco, and was all "tsk tsk tsk".

What's particularly annoying about Stewart is that he realizes there's a fuckton of false equivalency bullshit always being thrown around and he himself has made fun of it millions of times. Then sure enough, even he goes ahead and partakes in it. Really disappointing and annoying.

 

[mckmas8808]

I think it could. If the dollar remains weak and energy prices remain high, America will be a very attractive place for global businesses to manufacture their goods here.

I didn't think about that, but you're right. Energy prices really will play huge in stateside manufacturing. I can't imagine how much more products will cost if oil prices hit $110 a barrel relative to just having things made here.

And one has to wonder what happens when countries like China and others in the East start to have normal wages and benefits due to their growing middle class population. It comes with the territory. I'd imagine as India and China increases their middle class, those same people will demand to some degree better pay, work conditions, and benefits.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

Not at all. It doesn't take any thought process to proclaim Reagan the defeater of communism and the greatest President evar.

No. You just have to open a history book and read those facts.

 

[elrechazado]

Ugh. So Jon Stewart did his periodic token false equivalency bit yesterday. He targeted some broad who called the tea baggers "economic terrorists" for the debt ceiling fiasco, and was all "tsk tsk tsk".

What's particularly annoying about Stewart is that he realizes there's a fuckton of false equivalency bullshit always being thrown around and he himself has made fun of it millions of times. Then sure enough, even he goes ahead and partakes in it. Really disappointing and annoying.

Jon Stewart is cool, but only when he agrees with my opinions.

 

[mckmas8808]

Obama comes off like an awkward college professor to me. He seems like he'd rather sit at home and read than converse with folks

I'm not attacking you PD, but you say this as a guy that post on NeoGaf lol. Don't you see the irony of that?

 

[Cyan]

No. You just have to open a history book and read those facts.

Pretty sure that's only the case in Texas.

 

[Chumly]

Pretty sure that's only the case in Texas.

Yea not all states have the Ultimate revised history edition yet.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I'm not attacking you PD, but you say this as a guy that post on NeoGaf lol. Don't you see the irony of that?

When I'm not working or hanging out with my girlfriend, I post on GAF. But if you're point is that like Obama, I prefer quiet and don't like much public interaction outside of hanging out with my lady, sure you're right

 

[mckmas8808]

Laws are not be-all and end-all of all things decent and standard. I'm OK with breaking laws, provided they are inhumane. Civil Rights movement was about breaking laws, termed "civil disobedience" by Gandhi and INC. OWS is also a form of civil disobedience. Undercover journalism, which hardly exists anymore, isn't just sting operations and expose. At it's core, it's about finding the truth. This is achieved only if you have integrity and no bias, and your only goal is the truth and nothing else. O Keefe and that other scumbag are neither journalists nor reporters. They're agenda-driven lackeys of an establishment much bigger than them. They're not after truth. They're after entrapment and incrimination of their opponents and liberals. These scumbags do not deserve to be spoken in the same sentence as journalism unless its "they don't know shit about journalism"

You're right the Civil Rights Movement did break the "laws" on the books and they went to jail as they should have. And if the OWS movement breaks laws I think they should go to jail too. But I would want them to keep protesting, because I like their cause.

But I agree with your post and your point about O'Keefe and his crew.

I see your avatar is ironic.

See above.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

Pretty sure that's only the case in Texas.

ha ha. whatever cyan..

I don't know if this was mentioned, but Obama wants to get rid of the Department of Commerce. (wasn't that one of the agencies Perry said he'd abolish? i can't remember which 3 he said he'd torch)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/13/us-usa-obama-reform-idUSTRE80C0SA20120113

 

[Oblivion]

Jon Stewart is cool, but only when he agrees with my opinions.

Incorrect.

 

[Cyan]

ha ha. whatever cyan..

(wasn't that one of the agencies Perry said he'd abolish? i can't remember which 3 he said he'd torch)

Neither can he!