TheNatural
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NES at 14 is a joke. Most saying they're right, or PS2 > everything else is probably 21 years out younger and probably never grew up on a controller without a joystick attached to it.
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gamestm Top 15 Games machines of all time (reader poll)
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Yep, and blind hate.
Using RROD as a reason for why the '360 sucks' is weak. Early PS2s were almost just as unreliable, and launch fat PS3s started dropping off like flies curiously right after their warranty expired.
They were fine once Jasper came along and the Slim would fall well under industry average.
Best controller
Best online (console)
Game library that spans over 30 years and even includes a few classic Nintendo games
Multimedia box
Yep, number 1 sounds about right.
Combichristoffersen
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How.. how is this even possible
TheNatural
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Call of Duty man. The innovation .... the NES just ... can't compete.
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Um, I grew up on controllers with joysticks attached to them which predated NES by quite a bit. You really shouldn't be pulling the age card.
TheNatural
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Why shouldn't I? It's a legitimate question. People who are going into college now were 7, 8 year olds when Halo came out.
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Nostalgia goggles are very powerful.
I'm 31 and think that this gen is by far the best. To the point where it's barely fair to compare to previous gens.
I'd have no issue with the 360 and PS3 being top 2, although they're both too similar to be top 2.
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Discriminating someone's opinion on basis of age is not what you should be doing. I might be older than you (32) and I don't think the list is all that bad, it's just a matter of preference.
It's quite obvious why current generation consoles are positioned that high, today's gamers value online multiplayer over some other things, and they value consoles over computers - as if we didn't know that already. DS not being anywhere on the list is a bit surprising, though.
HomerSimpson-Man
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So X360 beat out SNES, PS2, PSX, and with NES being at 14th place...
...what the hell is this!?
...what the hell is this!?
weekend_warrior
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Stoped there. ZX Sprectrum higher then NES and GameBoy? Yup, cool list bro, clearly done by very informed unbiased people.
Even though i've never quite worked out why some of Gaf rage over lists. I would say the 360 is probably my favourite console.
The games we've had this gen have just been too damm good imo. Online yeah it was not new but for consoles it was and done so well. "But dude you have to pay to play" in the long term my first aim when playing games is fun if a small fee is needed to do that so be it. Compared to the console competition it's still light years ahead.
I usually count the quality of a gen by how many game i have at last count i have about 90+ retail games and probably about 40+ XBLA titles i'd say it's been a good gen and it's not even over yet.
The games we've had this gen have just been too damm good imo. Online yeah it was not new but for consoles it was and done so well. "But dude you have to pay to play" in the long term my first aim when playing games is fun if a small fee is needed to do that so be it. Compared to the console competition it's still light years ahead.
I usually count the quality of a gen by how many game i have at last count i have about 90+ retail games and probably about 40+ XBLA titles i'd say it's been a good gen and it's not even over yet.
It's an interesting list because:
1) The C64 is above the Spectrum
2) The SNES is above the Mega Drive (and Amiga)
3) The NES is above the Master System
Anyone living in the UK will know that those results go against the grain of what was popular at the time.
The whole list feels a bit topsy turvy for a UK poll. Seems like owners of the underdogs wanted to make a statement.
Just a shame that most people forgot to vote for handhelds.
1) The C64 is above the Spectrum
2) The SNES is above the Mega Drive (and Amiga)
3) The NES is above the Master System
Anyone living in the UK will know that those results go against the grain of what was popular at the time.
The whole list feels a bit topsy turvy for a UK poll. Seems like owners of the underdogs wanted to make a statement.
Just a shame that most people forgot to vote for handhelds.
theviolenthero
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I have some great memories from those older systems like seeing the waves in Wave Race 64 for the 1st time, using the forklift in Shenmue,finally getting Street Fighter 2 for the SNES,getting a special edition lime green Gameboy Advance SP from Target,etc...
BUT.....
The Wii can play Wii,Gamecube,SNES,Genesis,TG16,NES,N64,Genesis & Neo Geo games & is easily a top 3 system.
BUT.....
The Wii can play Wii,Gamecube,SNES,Genesis,TG16,NES,N64,Genesis & Neo Geo games & is easily a top 3 system.
It's not really so much the nostalgia as it is the fact that I still find more enjoyment playing the PS2 games and 16-bit emulators than our current gen. I have no argument that either the 360/PS3 should be in the top 5, but not top 3.
CoD is pretty popular.
A semi-accurate list?
In my opinion, the SNES is WAAAAAY too high, the PS1 should probably join the Saturn and the Dreamcast and PS3 are too low, and the DS should be in the bottom half of the Top 10.
But why should this list be based on game library alone? That's far too subjective a topic for any legitimate deabte to take place. When I judge a console, I judge it on all aspects.
For example, I put the PS3 miles and miles above the PS2 and PS1 because it gives me far better value for money than they did. The PS2 didn't give me 4 controller ports, online, or built in sotrage out of the box. All their competitors gave me at least one (if not all of these), and one of those competitors came out a year earlier. Yeah, the PS2 had a big library, so? I only have 25 games for my PS2, yet my Dreamcast has 32, my Xbox 29, hell even my gamecube has around 25.
I paid $1000AU for the PS3, compared to $750AU for the PS2, but if I wanted my PS2 to come even remotely close to matching what the PS3 offered at launch, it would have cost well over $1000, and my PS3 library has already surpassed my PS2 one.
That's the thing about opinions, I've always seen the PS2 as the most overrated console ever, with the SNES only a short step behind it. I have almost all the games that would be considered 'essentials' by mainstream standards for my SNES, and my Megadrive library dwarfs it, and I'm missing quite a few Megadrive classics.
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Talking about being informed, you do know how important Spectrum and C64 used to be for gaming in the UK and most parts of continental Europe, don't you? Much more than any contemporary console.
krYlon said:
Hallelujah, people have finally come to their senses.
I suppose the fact that games TM, much like Edge, is rather popular in many parts of the world skewed the results somewhat.
TheLastCandle
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I think the list sucks, but it's not my list.
Still, the only complete atrocity is the lack of DS anywhere.
Still, the only complete atrocity is the lack of DS anywhere.
You don't really believe that do you? On second thought, obvious sarcasm. My bad.
The Friendly Monster
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So what should it be?
1. PC
2. PS2
3. SNES
4. 360
5. DS
That right?
1. PC
2. PS2
3. SNES
4. 360
5. DS
That right?
Since this will just degenerate into people making their own list (not much else to talk about other than how horrible the list is), here are my top platforms:
1) PC
2) PS2
4) SNES
5) PS1 (tied with SNES in reality)
5) DS
6) NES
7) Xbox 360
8) Genesis
9) PSP
10) Saturn
Based solely on what I like of course. I suppose PS3 would be 11, followed by Wii at #12. I like the Dreamcast, but feel that it is overrated on the net. Especially if you are not a big fan of fighters or arcade style games.
1) PC
2) PS2
4) SNES
5) PS1 (tied with SNES in reality)
5) DS
6) NES
7) Xbox 360
8) Genesis
9) PSP
10) Saturn
Based solely on what I like of course. I suppose PS3 would be 11, followed by Wii at #12. I like the Dreamcast, but feel that it is overrated on the net. Especially if you are not a big fan of fighters or arcade style games.
I'll agree with this to a certain extend, largely on system quality. PS1, Saturn, and N64 should be no where near the top 10 due to how unplayable most of the games are now without emulation. May love the games, don't love the disc errors, minute long loading times, etc. The tech sucks.
PS2 is another where people will call out 360 for the not being an all in one box. Its the same stupid shit. 40$ adapter. 100$ HDD for the few titles that use it. 40$ memory cards. 40$ to get 4 players on one system. Shoddy built quality. Only real difference is 360 charged you online while PS2 was AOL 98 online, but free.
Game wise,360 does have the best line up this generation and I do feel it deserves its place next to the PS2 and SNES. Its not defined like previous generations by A titles from major publishers, but rather the smaller XBLA/Indie. But to be considered above PS2, SNES, DS, and most importantly PC. Which always will have the strongest line up and that is a fact. I can't put it above it, but it would be in my top 5. Which oddly enough are the only systems I feel were truly great.
Souldriver
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This list:
funkystudent
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iPad should have been number 1.
MrCookiepants
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Lulz. The 360 is really gonna suffer in these kinds of lists 10 years from now with its ~2 exclusives worth remembering.
That just means lots of people spread around the country are treasonous, rather than a radical sect in Bournemouth. It'll make it so much harder to... eliminate them.
Europe. We had a rather different NES experience to the people who didn't have, like, slowed down games if they were released at all.
(But then the same was largely true of the SNES, so... dunno. Perhaps that was when we started to become familiar with importing? I certainly was a lot more aware of import titles in the SNES generation than I'd been previously.)
astroturfing
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ah i get it now. they're numbered, but still in random order.
can i list uncharted as a console?
I'm amazed that people think it's in the same class as PS2 or SNES. Hitting that green kool-aid a little too hard.
thetrin
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It really is a case of recency effect. It'll cool off once the next gen is out.
It's amazing it featured at all. The NES was just a blip on the gaming landscape in the UK.
It was released in the UK the same time as the Amiga and ST, both of which dominated the post 8-bit computer gaming market. AT school, everyone had one of the 16 bit computers, Only the weird kids were stuck with a NES and one or two games. Compared to the rampant piracy of home computers, which mean you had every game ever.
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And even i am moderately surprised
completely is though - you stack up a decent library on the SNES , PS2 and X360 and the X360 is right up there.
Whether it's no. 1 is a totally different question but it's totally completely and utterly in the same class as the PS2 and SNES. I'm not even sure why people would think it's not.
well, also throw in the rose tinted effect and nostalgia for the other two as well. The SNES has a stack of great games but a load of utter shit as well. PS2 too. X360 as well!
this - you were either C64 or Spectrum (odd freak with Amstrad or BBC), then it was onto Amiga or ST until the Megadrive showed up.
Souldriver
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Seriously.
What the 360 has going for it, is that it has all the multiplatform games. It's the "standard" console this generation. In that sense, it's the PS2 of this generation.
However, there aren't many exclusives on the system, in the same way the NES, SNES, Playstation or Playstation 2 had. These all had an awesome, and in many ways unique, library of games. The 360 doesn't have that. In fact, the PS3 is virtually the same console as the 360, except it has (arguably) more exclusive worthwhile games. And in a sense, the Wii whole library consist of exclusives (though many are garbage). So depending on what people remember in ten years (the amount of good games, or rather the unique games only found on a specific console), the 360 could be really good, or just good regarded.
Long story short: SNES and PS2 should be above the 360. WTF at the NES position! And where the hell is the DS?
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1. PC
2. PS2
3. PS1
4. NES
5. GAMEBOY (All iterations included)
6. IPHONE/IPAD/MOBILE
7. SNES/GENESIS (tie)
8. PS3
9. PSP/VITA
10. 360/N-GAGE (tie)
Sho_Nuff82
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I think you're really selling the 360 short in terms of exclusives, and really underestimating the impact of Mortal-Kombat-on-SNES-bad ports (especially near the beginning of the generation) on the perception of the PS3. The PC is obviously underrepresented in this kind of poll because it's consistently the least popular platform for the majority of core games in the UK.
thetrin
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well, also throw in the rose tinted effect and nostalgia for the other two as well. The SNES has a stack of great games but a load of utter shit as well. PS2 too. X360 as well!
While I agree with that, the entire thing is thrown into question with the inclusion of the PC. 99% of the games on the 360 that make it a great console are on PC. How the PC, which has more great games than every console in existence combine, still comes in at #9 is a mystery to me.
It shouldn't even be on the list. It's that unfair.
You know I'm totally okay with this list. What I do have a problem with is people completely writing off the 360 like it's somehow preposterous that it would even be a candidate.