#1 material belongs to the consoles whose line ups are so good everyone (and I mean everyone) could have lived with just that platform alone. This isn't the case for every single console from the generation, even if the 360 comes out as a western-centric PS2 which is still a great accomplishment.
Same can be said of the SNES and Rose tinted glasses.
Have you actually tried playing most of those games lately? They're shit. Outside of Donkey Kong Country and Super Punch Out, the rest is basically shit.
Discriminating someone's opinion on basis of age is not what you should be doing. I might be older than you (32) and I don't think the list is all that bad, it's just a matter of preference.
It's quite obvious why current generation consoles are positioned that high, today's gamers value online multiplayer over some other things, and they value consoles over computers - as if we didn't know that already. DS not being anywhere on the list is a bit surprising, though.
It's not discriminating, it's the simple fact that some people aren't old enough to have experienced older consoles, so whatever was around when they were around is best by default and that's not true. Like I said, someone who just entered college may have started games playing Halo, that's a weird thought to me.
The NES was a console with a few great games and a lot, lot, lot, looooot of shitty ones. I was in high school when it was in its heyday so I don't have "first console" nostalgia over it. 10% of the games were good, the rest were pretty bad.
My top-5
1. PC
2. Playstation
3. Playstation 2
4. Xbox 360
5. Amiga or Atari 8 bit or SNES or Atari 2600 or C64 or or or...
Same can be said of the SNES and Rose tinted glasses.
Have you actually teid playing most of those games lately? They're shit. Outside of Donkey Kong Country and Super Punch Out, the rest is basically shit.
Really? REALLY? If anything, I'd agree if you said DKC didn't age well.
Gotta love the "If you like anything older than this gen, herp derp rose tinted goggles" angle.
This gen is garbage. SNES shits all over it. I grew up with N64 and have no nostalgic memories of those games. I've played most of those classics through virtual console or GBA/DS ports. Nothing on the 360 comes even remotely close to:
Super Mario World
Yoshi's Island
Super Metroid
Megaman X
Link to the Past
Donkey Kong Country 2
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy III
Super Mario RPG
Earthbound
Super Castlevania IV
Yeah it just got real list warz up in here.
Admittedly, I'm a fan of Japanese games, so 360, while good, didn't really do much for me software wise. I especially don't think 360 games will stand the test of time as well as SNES games
Have you actually tried playing most of those games lately? They're shit. Outside of Donkey Kong Country and Super Punch Out, the rest is basically shit.
Really? REALLY? If anything, I'd agree if you said DKC didn't age well.
Gotta love the "If you like anything older than this gen, herp derp rose tinted goggles" angle.
This gen is garbage. SNES shits all over it. I grew up with N64 and have no nostalgic memories of those games. I've played most of those classics through virtual console or GBA/DS ports. Nothing on the 360 comes even remotely close to:
Super Mario World
Yoshi's Island
Super Metroid
Megaman X
Link to the Past
Donkey Kong Country 2
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy III
Super Mario RPG
Earthbound
Super Castlevania IV
Yeah it just got real list warz up in here.
Admittedly, I'm a fan of Japanese games, so 360, while good, didn't really do much for me software wise. I especially don't think 360 games will stand the test of time as well as SNES games
The rose coloured glasses thing doesn't apply to everyone, I never suggested it did, it was merely a response to being called crazy for thinking a new console could be better than an old one.
So as I said, if people who think a new console could be better than an old console are automatically crazy, the rose tinted glasses can clearly apply the other way. I wonder how many people (not speaking of you specifically) have actually set up an old console lately and actually tried to play all these old 'classics'.
I have my SNES, Megadrive, N64, Dreamcast and PS2 all set up right now, and I struggle to play games on almost any of them except maybe the PS2.
Even my beloved Dreamcast struggles to hold me for long. Old games just really aren't as good as new ones to me (outside a few exceptions). Times have changed, but it's human nature to not like change so I can understand why so many still feel the older consoles are 'better' than the newer ones.
This gen is garbage. SNES shits all over it. I grew up with N64 and have no nostalgic memories of those games. I've played most of those classics through virtual console or GBA/DS ports. Nothing on the 360 comes even remotely close to:
Super Mario World
Yoshi's Island
Super Metroid
Megaman X
Link to the Past
Donkey Kong Country 2
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy III
Super Mario RPG
Earthbound
Super Castlevania IV
Yeah it just got real list warz up in here.
Admittedly, I'm a fan of Japanese games, so 360, while good, didn't really do much for me software wise. I especially don't think 360 games will stand the test of time as well as SNES games
man, I don't know. When it comes to consoles I'm very much a Japanese game kind of guy and the 360 has had wonderful games for me. I don't like JRPGs very much, so I can't say how the 360 ones stack up, but I don't think any of the Japanese action games in your list are as good as the best Japanese action games on 360.
For me personally? I base it on quite a few factors aside from just the game library, I take the entire package into account when judging a console, and in a lot of cases it leave older consoles out in the cold due to technological disadvantages, but my Top 10 would be:
1. 360
2. Dreamcast
3. Playstation 3
4. Nintendo 64
5. Xbox
6. Saturn
7. Megadrive
8. Nintendo DS
9. NEO GEO
10. Master System (this one I fell victim to nostalgia because it was the first console I ever owned - not played though, so it holds a special place in my heart and I spent many of my first gaming years on one of these)
For me personally? I base it on quite a few factors aside from just the game library, I take the entire package into account when judging a console, and in a lot of cases it leave older consoles out in the cold due to technological disadvantages, but my Top 10 would be:
1. 360
2. Dreamcast
3. Playstation 3
4. Nintendo 64
5. Xbox
6. Saturn
7. Megadrive
8. Nintendo DS
9. NEO GEO
10. Master System (this one I fell victim to nostalgia because it was the first console I ever owned - not played though, so it holds a special place in my heart and I spent many of my first gaming years on one of these)
If you take everything into consideration then how does a console that lasted 2 years and only 10 million units make it to #2? You seriously don't even have the PS2, the all-time highest selling console, on your list?
I'm not one to care about lists as they are generally pretty silly and totally up to debate - no answer is right, but I've been playing games since the Atari 2600 and personally I have to agree that the 360 is one if not the best console I've ever owned. I can't discount the excitement and memories I had playing my NES, SNES and Genesis as I was younger, but the 360 is the first console that kept my interest for this long and constantly evolved over it's life. I think I've played more games and put more hours into my 360 since I bought one at launch than any other console I've owned before.
Here's some of the positives of the 360:
- Excellent graphics - remember, this came out in late 2005 and most games still look good going on year 7. In comparison, look at how the Wii aged quickly and it came out a year after the 360
- Fantastic controller
- The first console that got online right
- Achievements
- Constant improvement - look at the quality and added features of the Slim versus the original model
- Kinect - I know many of you hate it, but it did open the 360 to a new fanbase and gave it a few extra years of success. It's not good for most games but still is an interesting add-on.
- Media features - After all false starts, MS finally broke into the living room
On the downside, you have RROD, expensive peripherals, and overall lack of investment in exclusives late in it's life, but name a console that 7 years in that still has this level of great games coming out and evolved to this degree. At first it was solely a game console and now I have a 360 in my living room for video, music, Kinect and apps.
It's an excellent console and through hard work and investment, MS brought it from the brink of death (RROD) to a huge success. Just look at how MS and Sony traded spots so drastically in the US in a single console generation.
If you take everything into consideration then how does a console that lasted 2 years and only 10 million units make it to #2? You seriously don't even have the PS2, the all-time highest selling console, on your list?
That's like your opinion man.. I feel like the 360 library is better than the Ps2 library. I mean hell, you can play best PS2 game ( MGS3) in hd on ps3 and 360. I just find the PS2 library way overrated on gaf.
man, I don't know. When it comes to consoles I'm very much a Japanese game kind of guy and the 360 has had wonderful games for me. I don't like JRPGs very much, so I can't say how the 360 ones stack up, but I don't think any of the Japanese action games in your list are as good as the best Japanese action games on 360.
If you take everything into consideration then how does a console that lasted 2 years and only 10 million units make it to #2? You seriously don't even have the PS2, the all-time highest selling console, on your list?
How the hell would sales of a console affect my enjoyment of it?
So should the Wii and PS1 be on my list too?
Dreamcast:
- First true online console
- 4 Players out of the box
- VMU
- A game library that appealed to me far more than the PS2 library. Hell, for the first year, multiplats were better on Dreamcast.
My three year old givien a bunch of random console names could have com up with a better list. It so embarrassing I am not even going to validate it by making my own comparison list. It is not even worth that.
"more than any other machine, it gave gaming to all the people. all the time"
GamesTM eh? don't know/never knew who the fuck they are but I'll be sure to recognize that name in the future in the off chance that I ever happen to hear them mentioned again.
Yeah, I can't understand 360 being top of the list, especially with PC also on there. Frankly the last half of this gen on the 360 has been pretty terrible. The only exclusive retail titles that made it past the first wave were Gears of War, Halo, Forza and the Kinect games. Marketplace has had some pretty good titles but there are still a bunch of problems with it as a service and when you compare it to Steam there's no contest.And then there's having to pay for online and Microsoft focusing less and less on core gaming. The 360 has had some good stuff but it would have to be in the bottom half of my top 10.
The Big Deal is having almost all of Cave's post-2005 library. Just about every one of these games is a masterpiece. These are generation-defining games for me. Hard Corps Uprising is, believe it or not, the best Contra. Ninja Gaiden 2 is probably still be the best game in its genre. And then you have miscellaneous stuff like Vanquish, Dead Rising, Catherine, Senkou no Ronde Duo, DMC4, Sky Stage, four (!) new-to-home Raiden games, Afterburner Climax, Strania + Side Vower, all of the fighting games (some are not so great, others are, well, Virtua Fighter 5)... I've been extremely happy with it. Lots of excellent older ports, too, though I can't really count them.
How the hell would sales of a console affect my enjoyment of it?
So should the Wii and PS1 be on my list too?
Dreamcast:
- First true online console
- 4 Players out of the box
- VMU
- A game library that appealed to me far more than the PS2 library. Hell, for the first year, multiplats were better on Dreamcast.
I thought the whole point was to create an intelligent reason-based list of consoles, instead of emulating gamestm and making a goofy list based on fanboyism.
I definitely think the Wii has brought just as much if not more to the plate than a lot of the consoles on the list. If 3DO and Jaguar were on there I would know it was just a massive trollfest.
While I agree with that, the entire thing is thrown into question with the inclusion of the PC. 99% of the games on the 360 that make it a great console are on PC.
technically (well, brain-tistedly) all the other consoles are also on the PC as well!
I'd agree that a PC is by far and away the greatest gaming platform there is, but i'd assume this is specifically talking about dedicated gaming machines (though C64/Zx spectrum are in there)
For the record then, with gut feeling rather than deep thought and -completely- tailored to ME ME ME ! so i don't need any of you to agree :
1) PC
2) Playstation 2
3) Nintendo DS
4) X360
5) Super Famicom/SNES
6) Playstation 1
7) Famicom/NES
8) Playstation Portable
9) Gameboy Advance
10) PC Engine
edit : It's difficult, the Playstation 1 really hasn't aged that well but the line up and the fun had with the machine were off the chart. I guess really it probably should move to 8 and Playstation 1 and FC shift up. DONE. Amiga replaced by GBA lol shuffled.
At least with the NES there's sort of a real argument to be made on the subject (to wit: the NES has an amazing and influential top bench of titles everyone knows, but an incredibly shallow library with very few gems after that.) It's not a slot 14 kind of problem, certainly, but I tend to agree with the school of thought that the NES' library is remembered overly fondly outside the top classics.
Using RROD as a reason for why the '360 sucks' is weak. Early PS2s were almost just as unreliable, and launch fat PS3s started dropping off like flies curiously right after their warranty expired.
The NES was a console with a few great games and a lot, lot, lot, looooot of shitty ones. I was in high school when it was in its heyday so I don't have "first console" nostalgia over it. 10% of the games were good, the rest were pretty bad.
My top-5
1. PC
2. Playstation
3. Playstation 2
4. Xbox 360
5. Amiga or Atari 8 bit or SNES or Atari 2600 or C64 or or or...
Every generation has lots of shit though. But yeah, the NES had quite a lot of garbage, like Dragon's Lair. But I'd still rank the NES, PC, SNES, Mega Drive, PS1 and PS2 ahead of the 360.
Nobody in the UK has any nostalgia for the SNES. The thing bombed over here. Ask anyone over the age of 25 and they'll pick Mega Drive over SNES every time.
XBLA is probably my favorite group of exclusives this generation, would be a gigantic landslide if you forget 3 month old PC ports with locked frame rates which defeats the purpose of a PC port.
Mine would be.
360
Gamecube (biased due to hundreds of hours of smash/double dash on this system with friends)
SNES
Xbox 1 (Again a billion hours of halo 1/2 multi)
Dreamcast Oh god so good
The handling of it in my personal experience is why it doesn't affect my choice.
When my launch 360 died almost 3 years after release? They replaced it for free gave me a new controller a 6 month gold card and a 1600 points card.
When one ps2 died within 2 years of buying it I called Sony, woman on the phone literally laughed at me and said "go buy another". Eventually caved and did but it died within a year again with no help from Sony unless I paid a repair fee.
Well it's a reader poll, so most of the votes will be people voting for what they have perhaps? maybe kids who "LUV COD LOLZ" and haven't played on the sublime SNES etc...
The PC being on there is a joke, as said, it has no generations and the PC's entire back catalogue > anything ever.
As far as consoles go, the Dreamcast, DSlite, SNES, GBM and PS2 would get my vote, in no order.
Indeed. PS2 eventually managed to catch up to Dreamcast's amazing library of gems, maybe even surpass it, but that was only because its active life span lasted three times as long and it had the benefit of being the generation leader with 70+% of market share. For the brief duration of its life Dreamcast shone like a bloody supernova, it's just that most people had PlayStation blinds on.
Anyway, what some of you guys seem to be forgetting is that game libraries are not the only thing that matters. So many features we today take for granted - like online multiplayer, gamerscore, direct communication with other gamers, downloadable videos, demos and games, easily shareable user created content and even full games - didn't even exist just several years ago, especially on consoles. This generation will definitely be remembered as one of the most significant shifts in gaming history.
I'm not one to care about lists as they are generally pretty silly and totally up to debate - no answer is right, but I've been playing games since the Atari 2600 and personally I have to agree that the 360 is one if not the best console I've ever owned. I can't discount the excitement and memories I had playing my NES, SNES and Genesis as I was younger, but the 360 is the first console that kept my interest for this long and constantly evolved over it's life. I think I've played more games and put more hours into my 360 since I bought one at launch than any other console I've owned before.
Here's some of the positives of the 360:
- Excellent graphics - remember, this came out in late 2005 and most games still look good going on year 7. In comparison, look at how the Wii aged quickly and it came out a year after the 360
- Fantastic controller
- The first console that got online right
- Achievements
- Constant improvement - look at the quality and added features of the Slim versus the original model
- Kinect - I know many of you hate it, but it did open the 360 to a new fanbase and gave it a few extra years of success. It's not good for most games but still is an interesting add-on.
- Media features - After all false starts, MS finally broke into the living room
On the downside, you have RROD, expensive peripherals, and overall lack of investment in exclusives late in it's life, but name a console that 7 years in that still has this level of great games coming out and evolved to this degree. At first it was solely a game console and now I have a 360 in my living room for video, music, Kinect and apps.
It's an excellent console and through hard work and investment, MS brought it from the brink of death (RROD) to a huge success. Just look at how MS and Sony traded spots so drastically in the US in a single console generation.
Yeah, IAWTP. Anyway, the rankings seem to reflect that Games readership is younger and more mainstream in tastes than the average GAFfer in this thread. Then again, that's likely true of every multiplatform gaming magazine, so these reader polls shouldn't stir up too much shock.
