The Vita may be in trouble, but I don't think it's critical. It may not have opened with the same strength as the PSP did, but it could still follow a similar overall trend as the PSP. It's liklely that we'll see the PSP accend to 3DS competitiveness sooner or later in Japan, even if it ends up with half the LTD.
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Media Create Sales: Week 4, 2012 (Jan 23 - Jan 29)
- Thread starter Chris1964
- Start date
Congratulations to Chris1964 for winning the ranking by units and by percentages!
Let me know if you see any mistake.
Thanks Kurosaki Ichigo for the help, which saved me time and allowed me to waste mine adding the stats section.
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RESULTS:
BY UNITS BY PERCENTAGE
1 77,817 Chris1964 1 228.5% Chris1964
2 88,192 matmanx1 2 278.6% duckroll
3 96,859 Mpl90 3 285.4% Road
4 108,951 duckroll 4 343.9% cw_sasuke
5 110,977 Yeshua 5 348.2% Data Elemental
6 121,028 lunchwithyuzo 6 360.5% Alrus
7 128,199 Road 7 425.3% Yeshua
8 131,539 LOCK 8 474.6% Mpl90
9 135,254 baekshi 9 476.8% matmanx1
10 135,978 TyRaNtM 10 600.3% LOCK
11 151,977 electroplankton 11 726.2% lunchwithyuzo
12 155,977 Alrus 12 790.5% electroplankton
13 171,977 cw_sasuke 13 970.5% baekshi
14 181,095 Data Elemental 14 1009.5% Orgen
15 201,101 Orgen 15 1097.6% DCharlie
16 237,177 DCharlie 16 1131.1% TyRaNtM
17 278,477 Celine 17 1583.0% Kenka
18 297,795 Kenka 18 1661.5% Celine
M-Create Orgen lunchwit electrop Mpl90 Kenka Celine DCharlie duckroll baekshi matmanx1 Chris196 Yeshua TyRaNtM LOCK Data Ele cw_sasuk Alrus Road
[3DS] Resident Evil Rev- 146,559 211000 156789 190000 183042 127000 160000 148000 125000 133999 125234 156789 150000 149999 180000 130000 202000 185000 177777
[PSV] Tales of Innocenc- 54,853 59000 45678 45000 39470 43000 45000 38000 55000 55555 39567 56789 50000 39999 25000 30000 32000 32000 33333
[360] Armored Core V - 24,719 16000 19876 14000 23378 3500 7500 9800 35000 11333 18389 32109 20000 8888 30000 11000 12000 13000 22222
[PSP] Mobile Suit Gunda- 9,121 83000 67879 70000 45321 131000 140000 88000 25000 88888 45908 21098 40000 99999 50000 23000 22000 25000 22222
[PS3] The Idolmaster: G- 18,179 35000 15016 15000 21211 7800 5000 5000 16000 21111 18123 12345 15000 11111 10000 15000 12000 12000 11111
[PS3] Armored Core V - 163,906 197000 198765 140000 168326 51000 70000 52000 105000 137999 155498 123456 100000 159999 150000 55000 102000 103000 111111
[3DS] Resident Evil Rev- 0 64441 10230 43441 36483 -19559 13441 1441 -21559 -12560 -21325 10230 3441 3440 33441 -16559 55441 38441 31218
[PSV] Tales of Innocenc- 0 4147 -9175 -9853 -15383 -11853 -9853 -16853 147 702 -15286 1936 -4853 -14854 -29853 -24853 -22853 -22853 -21520
[360] Armored Core V - 0 -8719 -4843 -10719 -1341 -21219 -17219 -14919 10281 -13386 -6330 7390 -4719 -15831 5281 -13719 -12719 -11719 -2497
[PSP] Mobile Suit Gunda- 0 73879 58758 60879 36200 121879 130879 78879 15879 79767 36787 11977 30879 90878 40879 13879 12879 15879 13101
[PS3] The Idolmaster: G- 0 16821 -3163 -3179 3032 -10379 -13179 -13179 -2179 2932 -56 -5834 -3179 -7068 -8179 -3179 -6179 -6179 -7068
[PS3] Armored Core V - 0 33094 34859 -23906 4420 -112906 -93906 -111906 -58906 -25907 -8408 -40450 -63906 -3907 -13906 -108906 -61906 -60906 -52795
STATS:
M-Create AVERAGE MIN MAX OVER UNDER CLOSEST BY
[3DS] Resident Evil Rev- 146,559 160,646 125,000 211,000 72% 28% 148,000 DCharlie
[PSV] Tales of Innocenc- 54,853 42,466 25,000 59,000 22% 78% 55,000 duckroll
[360] Armored Core V - 24,719 17,111 3,500 35,000 17% 83% 23,378 Mpl90
[PSP] Mobile Suit Gunda- 9,121 60,462 21,098 140,000 100% 0% 21,098 Chris1964
[PS3] The Idolmaster: G- 18,179 14,324 5,000 35,000 17% 83% 18,123 matmanx1
[PS3] Armored Core V - 163,906 121,120 51,000 198,765 17% 83% 159,999 TyRaNtMLet me know if you see any mistake.
Thanks Kurosaki Ichigo for the help, which saved me time and allowed me to waste mine adding the stats section.
No, there's only one reason why it's not worth discussing we don't have numbers. It's honestly not worth hypothesising, because noone would be right, and noone would be satisfied.I would like to note that 8% of any Vita game's total sales right now in Japan would amount to less than 10k. That's another reason why it's not really worth discussing.
We do get first week retail shipment estimates for some games from Dengeki, and total shipments for some titles from publisher's financials, so for some games that don't sell out their first week shipment it should be possible to get an estimate of retail to digital shipment ratio. The problem is Dengeki's retail shipment estimates accuracy though, if they only had a margin of error of 10% that would already be larger than the 8% quoted for P3P. However, given enough examples it should even out and it may be possible to see some sort of trend.
There probably aren't any games that fall into this category for PSV yet, but there are probably a few for PSP if anybody was interested in researching that.
There probably aren't any games that fall into this category for PSV yet, but there are probably a few for PSP if anybody was interested in researching that.
better than ToIR? hard to see it to happen.
I wonder if RE:R can pass the 300k barrier and become a success?
Holiday influence tends to continue for a while. Wait for the end of February to see a better baseline.
2008:
PS3 @ end of January/February: 34K -> 14K
NDS @ end of January/February: 79K -> 50K
PSP @ end of January/February: 78K -> 53K
Wii had SSB:B release here, so it went up before going down below end of January
2009:
PS3 @ end of January/February: 18K -> 16K
NDS @ end of January/February: 65K -> 52K
PSP @ end of January/February: 38K -> 30K
WII @ end of January/February: 27K -> 17K
2010:
PS3 @ end of January/February: 34K -> 28K
NDS @ end of January/February: 66K -> 45K
PSP @ end of January/February: 49K -> 39K
WII @ end of January/February: 42K -> 36K
2011:
PS3 @ end of January/February: 25K -> 24K
NDS @ end of January/February: 23K -> 18K
PSP was having shortages during this period, so depended on supply
WII @ end of January/February: 19K -> 12K
KONAMI Q3
http://www.konami.co.jp/en/index.html
CAPCOM Q3 (slides not up yet)
http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/news/html/e120202b.html
http://www.konami.co.jp/en/index.html
CAPCOM Q3 (slides not up yet)
http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/news/html/e120202b.html
So, I know we mostly talk about retail sales here, but I felt this was interesting.
I wonder if this will help the retail title next year as well.
Source: http://seekingalpha.com/article/333...2-results-earnings-call-transcript?part=qandaEA said:
I wonder if this will help the retail title next year as well.
Monster Hunter 3G 1.2m shipped
http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html page 4
http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html page 4
Hmm... what do you know? Exactly 3 months ahead of schedule!
Just having a little fun. I remember having this dispute with Jonnyram back then, and I remember being utterly baffled that he took the position that he did.
Baconsammy
Banned
Well that's encouraging. Despite the lackluster sales here in Japan, I have a strange optimism that the Vita is going to do well in Europe and America. I really expect a Playstation Vita commercial during the Super Bowl to gain some exposure but I digress.
Europe maybe. I see no reason to expect it to do well in the States.
Get ready to see ORC at more than one million, and Revelations not even at one million of projected shipment!
slaughterking
Member
Let's see if the Resident Evil demo has any impact on the Dragon's Dogma forecast.
They've yet to mention Revelation's shipments which surprised me a bit (and doesn't say great things), but ORC they had that quite high 2 million expectation on the last slide set.
I'm curious to see how they've adjusted it.
This part of their last press release was amazing.
Source: http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/news/html/e120201b.htmlCapcom said:
In the last thread, there have been a talk about how to post ( if we post them ) Comgnet Preorder Charts only ( NOT the actual sales one ), and there have been proposes about putting a disclaimer every time before posting the chart in order to inform who see them about what Comgnet represents.
Well, this is my work
Another thing I thought is to post them every Wednesday / Thursday, since at 9 am in Japan of every Thursday, it's posted the preorder chart with the final results for games being released the same day, so there can be comparisons between final results.
What do you think, guys?
Well, this is my work
Another thing I thought is to post them every Wednesday / Thursday, since at 9 am in Japan of every Thursday, it's posted the preorder chart with the final results for games being released the same day, so there can be comparisons between final results.
What do you think, guys?
Capcom's presentation is live: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/capcom-ir
Slides should be up after it finishes.
Edit:
New Thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461650
Slides should be up after it finishes.
Edit:
New Thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461650
To be fair, the same notion has been raised by charlequin before. I never had heard about this supposed bad reputation of ToI but couldn't really comment as I have neither played it nor do I follow the Tales of fandom closely.
But I very much agree with you in that it's not a good idea to keep repeating statements you cannot yourself prove or disprove.
electroplankton
Banned
Fair debut for Resident Evil Revelations. If it has legs, it could reach the 400k mark, otherwise 250k seems more reasonable.
I think Rhythm Thief is doing pretty well, while Beyond the Labyrinth left the chart; a bad sign? Surely not a good result, but far from a flop, given its genre, etc.
Btw, 3DS is incredible. 85k at the end of January? I said wow.
In the meanwhile, I don't think Vita is doing fine; 18k is still pretty low, and I don't see any chance to grow above 20k. And I see ToI R on average, I mean, Tales of on Sony hardware usually does hot, even bad spin-offs.
I think Rhythm Thief is doing pretty well, while Beyond the Labyrinth left the chart; a bad sign? Surely not a good result, but far from a flop, given its genre, etc.
Btw, 3DS is incredible. 85k at the end of January? I said wow.
In the meanwhile, I don't think Vita is doing fine; 18k is still pretty low, and I don't see any chance to grow above 20k. And I see ToI R on average, I mean, Tales of on Sony hardware usually does hot, even bad spin-offs.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Tales, to me, is pretty much the worst series still on the market. I can't stress how fundamentally it disagrees with my taste. So I don't claim to be an arbiter of Tales fandom. I'd rather be an arbiter of toenail collectors. Having said that, there are pretty clearly some games that are received better than others.
Tales of the Tempest was poorly received. We can tell this because Namco retroactively demoted it. We can tell this because it tanked out of the gate. We can tell this because even Famitsu gave it a terrible review. We can tell this because every piece of reception I've ever read about it here or elsewhere is negative.
Tales of Innocence is clearly not as poorly received as TotT. I have heard criticism of it: poor performance, bland visuals, boring dungeons. I think amongst the very small contingent of people on GAF who imported it, it was considered to be "a real Tales game", better than Tempest, and enjoyable. On the other hand, when Tales of Hearts came out, I remember a few people here categorizing it as "much better than Innocence" and "finally, a real Tales games on DS". On the other hand, GAF's import base dwindled a lot during the last generation, so this may be an unfair generalization from a few reviews.
Perhaps duckroll, when he's done castigating people for breathlessly repeating things without substantiating them, could let us in on the pulse of Tales fans. Would it be accurate to say that Innocence was clearly better received than Tempest? Would it be accurate to say that Hearts was better received than Innocence? What would you say are the most well loved and least well loved Tales games?
I wouldn't be surprised, it's all I'm saying. I think it has a chance.
Bruno MB
Member
I agree that Rhythm Thief is performing quite well. It didn't drop too much (53%), so I wouldn't be surprised at all if it ends up selling over 100k units when all is said and done. That would be a very reasonable mark for a new IP.
On the contrary, Beyond the Labyrinth with 10 days on the market hasn't even managed to achieve 20k units sold and it's not showing any signs of legs. So I honestly would say it's not far from being a flop.
Going off-topic as I'm replying to this part specifically, but anyway. I haven't really played Tales much at all and it is kind of the last really big JRPG franchise I'm lacking decent exposure to. I've covered DQ and its imitators (Mother, GoH), FF (this one quite comprehensively) and SMT (Famicom to PS2, mostly the core series and some Persona). And the various Mario ones. I'm interested in JRPGs (and games in general) as a narrative medium and sales are really just an indicator to me which get played a lot, giving them weight culturally, as many recipients will know them and their content.
I tried to catch up on the series with Tales of Symphonia (and also Vesperia and Graces waiting to be played in case I manage to beat Symphonia someday). Around 8 hours in I'm really liking it. I also liked the first half hour of Vesperia. The action battles are less boring than most of the usual RPG battle systems and the story works really well with the anime presentation. Sadly like all RPGs they require a lot of time to play. So I haven't continued with Symphonia in over a year.
So basically the series seems high quality to me on almost every level. The Nintendo channel trailers for ToI also appealed to me, maybe more than what I've seen from Hearts. But in the end sales cannot be discussed based on overall quality as this is simply too subjective.
Appeal yes, and I think we can agree that the anime aethetics make the sales for this series. As regardless of supposed quality the DS Tales sales have been pretty consistent, only slightly in favor of the mothership titles. You could even say that the series grew with each consecutive title on DS despite the slow start and I'm really not buying into the salted ground theory. More into the high graphic fidelity explanation (and of course into a certain association of the Tales and Playstation brands). Neither can really be proven so it's a moot point.
It still is one of the last big JRPG franchises and only beat by the million selling ones which transcend the popularity of their genre. And I don't see that changing as it doesn't seem to have lost its appeal.
Edit: Reworded in several places.
electroplankton
Banned
Actually, I'm waiting for Konami expectations on the title. Given the nice promotion it had, probably Konami was expecting more than what it's actually doing, but I don't think sales projections were over 70-80k. I mean, it's a dungeon crawler, with the only selling point being the girl, since we haven't seen any other character or artwork showing other people / creatures / enemies. It'd be nice to know the sell-through, btw. Surely not a good performance, but I'm waiting to call it a flop.
Former NeoGAF poster LanceStern's own contribution to economics: games need to sell 300k to be considered successful.
A slightly bizarre suggestion, but... I wonder if it's helped by that first word, "Rhythm"? Are people making a mental link to the Rhythm Heaven series, and through association reasoning that if they liked Rhythm Heaven, they'll like Rhythm Thief?
FFXIII-2, a resounding success!
electroplankton
Banned
Surely the words "Wii" and "Sports" on the cover helped Deca Sporta to succeed in Japan!
But in this case it was more: demo + anime presentation which could have some sort of mass-market + nice promotion here and there + receptive userbase.
slaughterking
Member
I don't think Rhythm Thief has done well enough (yet) to have this sort of discussion. It's just kind of there. Not bad, not incredibly good either, but certainly meeting expectations.
SoulCalibur V this week biggest release
http://www.true-gaming.net/home/57592/
more releases for the week
http://www.true-gaming.net/home/57585/
http://www.true-gaming.net/home/57592/
more releases for the week
http://www.true-gaming.net/home/57585/
JoshuaJSlone
Member
New Famitsu data in database.
Monster Hunter 3G is now ahead of Monster Hunter 3--or at least where it was when this most recent number came in the end-of-2010 numbers.
Monster Hunter 3G is now ahead of Monster Hunter 3--or at least where it was when this most recent number came in the end-of-2010 numbers.
With the release of the big two Mario games, first party did finally take over third party on 3DS, but still, it's ahead of pretty much anything that isn't PS2. EDIT: Added in GBA, too, which at this scale looks like a match for 3DS.Black Lawn Finale said:
AZ2002 said:
no idea why but I always thought of this game with Ouendan game and it is selling like the first Ouendan game.
BishopLamont
Banned
Wait 3DS software shipments pass DS software shipments? Wouldn't have guessed after reading Nintendo's investor meeting thing.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Way better. 47K week two, while the first Ouendan hit about 50K lifetime. It was only in the Top 30 for its first 11K week.
Garcia
Member
PS2 is here to stay. So many great games for that console.
Hypereides
Member
I get a rotten taste in my mouth every time I see Konami categorising Metal Gear for itself.
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
Is this just anecdotal or widespread?
Yes I think it would be totally accurate to say that Innocence is a sort of B game with a lot of flaws but with characters and a world which did not offend Tales fans who played them. I do not believe that there is much actual weight for Takao's claim that "because it was outsourced, it is considered a black sheep" because that sort of thing really only applies to people who don't care to play the game to begin with. ToI was originally developed by Alfa Systems, who also developed the various Tales of the World spinoffs on the PSP. They made 3 of them and they each sold more and more, so that basically proves that Tales fans are not allergic to enjoying and supporting games developed outside Tales Studio.
As for the games themselves, Tempest is a totally broken game. It is about 10 hours long, the production values are dogshit, the opening FMV doesn't even have much actual animated footage, instead it is composed mostly of in-game (read: DS in-game 3D) scenes edited into the video. There is almost nothing likable about the game at all, and pretty much everyone I know who bought the game felt ripped off. It is considered one of the worst DS RPGs put out by a major publisher in Japan.
Innocence was much better received because it actually had combat mechanics, the graphics were not completely offensive, and the world and characters were interesting and more Tales-like. The problems with the game were mainly related to the story and the dungeons. The story was incomplete in several ways, and fans of the game have been asking for some sort of sequel or remake for some time now. The dungeon were also copy and paste maze designs, which isn't good design. But since the combat isn't dog shit, Tales fans who enjoyed the game don't consider it a deal breaker.
Hearts is a complete Tales game through and through in every sense. The production values are great. There's a solid amount of voice acting. The game uses 2D sprites on 3D backgrounds which actually works the best for the DS hardware spec out of all the 3 Tales games on the system. The game is lengthy and filled with content, and it has basically everything that Tales fans have come to expect from RPGs in the series. There is no question that it is the best Tales RPG on the DS.
Edit: And no, stump, I'm not recommending any of these games to you! Stay away! Don't hurt yourself.
ThatObviousUser
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Red = Tri G, Blue = Tri, Green = ...G?
ThatObviousUser
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Someone plop all the MH releases on a graph please.
The PSP games spank Tri G and Tri, but Tri G and Tri probably spank everything else right?Someone plop all the MH releases on a graph please.
http://garaph.info/softwaregroup.php?grid=22
Yeah, pretty much. There's PSP tier, then Tri tier, and then everything else.